because this is treading dangerous ground on a baseball blog.

The south, led by South Carolina, had been making secessionist noises since the 1830’s, when John C. Calhoun was Andrew Jackson’s first VP. It was also one of the main reasons he was replaced by Martin Van Buren for Jackson’s second term. That secessionist furor was about one thing, slavery. The “state’s rights” smokescreen was just that.

And as for taking up arms against their countrymen, I do know that the first shots fired came from outside Ft. Sumter and were directed at the Federal garrison inside. Those who fired the shots, and those who then acted in their cause, were traitors to the United States.

Maybe you don’t think owning other human beings is a crime against humanity. I know it is. And fighting for it is thus also a crime against humanity, whether the fighter in question owns slaves or not.

Rationalizing it is repellent, glorifying the “heritage” it represents is equally repellent, and the sooner people grow up and accept that, the better.

And when I see a Confederate flag, I am repulsed. Yes, it’s the equivalent of a swastika to me. It’s a loathsome symbol and we’d all be far better off if it was never seen again.

And though you didn’t ask, and are not likely to, it’s the whitewashing of slavery and its apologists and defenders that is the real revisionism.

If that’s revisionist in your eyes, fine. I don’t particularly think I need your approval or friendship. In fact, if that’s your view, I’m likely better off without it.

The comparison is not as out of line as you would like to believe. I understand being a confederate apologist makes people like you uncomfortable, so y’all cooked up the whole “lost cause” nonsense, that the rebellion was some noble cause, when it was all about the “right” to continue to hold millions in bondage. Read the articles of secession, it clearly shows it was all about saving the institution of slavery, nothing more, nothing less.

As for your comment that “slavery was pretty much a standard practice throughought the world until the mid 19th century” , most of the “civilized world” had abolished slavery decades before. The USA and Brazil were the holdouts in 1860, so nothing to be proud of there.

As for being proud of those who took up arms to end the institution of slavery. I agree they deserve our respect, while those who took up arms to defend slavery deserve our scorn.

Finally as for half-assed revisionist history, no better example of it can be found than the confederate apologists’ lost cause nonsense you seem to embrace.

where he stated that he didnt like southernerns because all they care about are football and Civil War reenactments.

Obviously Cubfansince1970 was not sterotyping in any way, in fact he was supporting my point.

Were Germans and at least one of them happened to be in the German army during World War II but never fired a shot. I also had family killed in the German Army in World War I on the Western Front in 1918.

So it’s not just you, Ace Venom. Quite a few of us have family who our country fought against at some point.

and that is a good thing. You cant help that your great great grandfather was in the CSA.

but apparently to others, perhaps. Sad.