Manny Ramirez to retire
Apparently its drug related.
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Gah, you win this time!!
I deleted mine.
This is a pretty surprising story – apparently rather than deal with MLB he was content to say screw it and just walk away.
He decided to retire instead of a 100 game suspension
since he tested positive again for a banned substance. I wouldn’t be surprised if this guy was doing them for the most of his MLB career, what a punk.
Manny being Manny ???
Caught again and now headed down the retirement road . Really this should be no real surprise to us . What does Manny do now ??
Nothing.
And he’s pretty much kicked his HoF chances away.
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Absolutely
The guy is a monster hitter. The jury is still out on how PED users will be handled regarding the HOF
Obviously...
roid aided, but Manny is unarguably one of the best hitters in the history of baseball.
He needs to figure out how to spend about $200 million
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie" -- Tony Montana
Maybe he was just trying to get pregnant
and MLB misunderstood.
So how bout Soriano for Fuld and just to be fair we kick in 5 million.
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just to show we are not pikers
Make it 10 million but spread out over 20 years.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 8, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Would the silly thing being able to trade Sori to the Rays
or Manny being caught with a drug normally used by women to get pregnant?
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 8, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
They don't have to give Fuld back
in fact now that Manny is gone Damon will likely DH while Fuld starts in LF. They can have Sori for Chirinos and again happy to kick in 10 million over 20 years.
On a serious note, the Rays brain trust is supposed to be made up of very smart Wall Street types. I have no idea why they signed Manny & Damon.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 8, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Neither Manny nor Damon cost them much $.
They figured both had something left. They were wrong.
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To steal a line from a Ray's poster on their SB Blog responding to
the idea that Manny cost little.
“Other than our self respect?”
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 8, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're probably a little mistaken on Fuld starting.
Safe bet to assume Desmond Jennings comes up and starts full time now while Damon moves to DH.
Nope.
The Rays recalled Casey Kotchman. Fuld will start, for now.
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As soon as Kotchman
gets to Chicago (i.e., starting tomorrow) he will play at 1B, Johnson will DH and Damon to LF. This according to Marc Topkin of the St. Petersburg Times.
Johnson and his .042 BA as DH?
I don’t think so, at least not on a regular basis.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 8, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Take it up with Joe Maddon
not me.
I’m pretty sure it boils down to the fact that Damon has pop, Kotchman has pop, Johnson has pop and Fuld does not.
BTW, Fuld’s BA dropped to .250 quickly.
Dan Johnson apparently took your comments personally
He hit a game winning 3 run HR in the 9th tonight.
Glad I could inspire him.
and the Rays finally get a win. Especially sweet since the White Sox imploded in the 9th. A little miffed that originally they said Fuld had a hit in the 9th but it changed to an error, but to be fair he likely would
have been out anyway. Great inning though.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 9, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
New avatar, Jazz?
I like! But where’s the Cubbie-Blue? One of these days we’ll save u from the dark side of the force. :-)
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Long term probably, but not yet
For now Fuld will start in LF.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 8, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you!
That’s one of my grammar pet peeves.
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What if the poster really COULD have cared less?
for instance, “I could care less about the Cubs.” is a true statement!
Ahh hell, you’re right, it’s definitely annoying.
I hve no respect at all for what he did on the field
Since he’s allowed all of it to be put under a suspicion of drugs. Screw him and the whore he rode in on.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Do you agree though...
…that his impressive statistics are forever tainted by being caught cheating three separate times? I agree, he was a lot of fun to watch, but he cheated! Just like Barry and Roger, we’ll never know what numbers he would have put up without the help of steroids. He’s a scam if you ask me.
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I feel like every single person from that era used.
So I can’t judge any one of them.
Either way, they were all better athletes than Gherig and Ruth.
Wow just Wow
EVERY player cheated and used roids, No one can ever be judged and EVERY modern player is a better athlete than Gehrig than Ruth. If that came from anyone but you I would think it was satire.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 9, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Fact of the matter is....
….. we just will never know how many actually used steroids just like we will never really know if any player from this era was better than one from another era.
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Doesn't surprise me
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I don't
I used to enjoy “Manny being Manny” until it came out he literally beat up a team traveling secretary for failing to get him some extra tickets to a game.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 8, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Well as far as I know that is just one incident.
People make mistakes and I can’t judge them. I’ve made plenty myself and I’m not a bad person.
Either way, I’m a baseball fan so I certainly respect what he did on the field. I’m not going to get into a PEDs argument so I’m just going to leave it at that.
Fair enough....
… as long as you understand others don’t agree with your point of view.
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That's fine. I have no problem with people disagreeing.
It’s when other people don’t respect my opinion and begin mocking. That’s when I respond in the same way.
You do realize this is the SECOND time he got caught?
Which is why he would have been suspended for 100 games. Moreover most of the time people don’t even get caught so I sincerely doubt it was just "two " times and he was the unluckiest guy on the planet.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 8, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
No he actually had a rep for being an A-Hole
I doubt he beat up another secretary, but he was not a nice guy.
Manny cultivated an image as a lovable goof, but if you read up, you will find out
he was pretty nasty. To me Pedro is the guy Manny should have been, funny, smart and
deeply committed to helping others.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 8, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know him personally. Neither do you.
I see no point in judging his personality or character based off a few stories.
And like I said above. I have no interest in Manny’s personal life. I enjoyed watching him dominate on the baseball field. That’s what I will remember him for.
Yep a few "stories"
like beating up a secretary for not getting him tickets. Frankly I don’t need to know more than that, though there is plenty out there. So basically you don’t care if he cheated by taking steroids and you don’t care if he is nasty, violent jerk, as long as you enjoyed watching him none of that matters.
You remember when he played for shit trying to get out of Boston and was suddenly good again when he got to LA?
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 8, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
Well I never met a lot of people from Charlie Sheen & Lindsey Lohan to
John Edwards , Micheal Vick and John Wayne Gacy, but I have no trouble being able to judge all of them for their well known behavior.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 8, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Your point was...
You haven’t met them so you can’t judge. She hit you with other people you’ve never met…
She never said they were the same.
#10 You will be missed.
by Bricks and Ivy on Apr 9, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
You can't judge John Wayne Gacy
You never met him. What the hell is wrong with you?
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 9, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
That is hilarious...well played DS
I just want to win...
by bilbosbuttons on Apr 10, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
No one is mocking you.
They’re trying to have a discussion. But instead, you get combative, as you do 100% of the time here.
I’m getting real tired of your attitude.
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Comparing him with a murderer is over the top and you know it.
NOTHING Manny has done can come close. As for the rest of the people she mentioned, other than Vick, I don’t see anyone that I could possibly call a bad person without knowing them personally.
And even then, keep in mind I don’t think dog fighting is right, but I think Vick learned his lesson and deserves the second chance he was given. I certainly don’t think he is a horrible person.
Of course. Don't take everything so literally.
If Manny decides to kill somebody then I will agree with you about his character. But a few dumb stories that are more than likely embellished by writers who don’t like him aren’t enough to make me judge him.
Manny
I enjoyed watching him dominate on the baseball field. That’s what I will remember him for.
Which was a complete and total fraud
HE FAILED A STEROID TEST TWICE
If a player fails once I might be able to buy the fact it was a one time thing and they learned their lesson from their suspension. If you were dumb enough to fail twice you were dumb enough to use your whole career. Him and his juiced stats don’t belong in the hall.
#10 You will be missed.
by Bricks and Ivy on Apr 9, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes it is
All of those great things that Manny did on the field are now called into question. He twice failed drug tests and once is enough to call his entire career into question. Without PEDs, what Manny did on the field would have been different. You can bury your head in the sand, thats fine, but his career is still a total fraud.
Prove to me that
Steroids haven’t been used by proffesional athletes since they were created, which if I’m correct was sometime around the 1950’s. Prove to me that they were only used by modern era baseball players and I will change my opinion.
This whole game has never been clean. Players have been finding ways to cheat since this game was created. So how about we question ALL the numbers since the early 1900’s? Not just Bonds, Clemens and Manny’s.
Babe Ruth used testerone
end of story
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"Literally beat up"
Whatever you do, don’t let the facts get in the way of making a point.
Manny got upset with the guy over comp tickets and shoved him. (’roid rage?)
The secretary was an older guy (early 60’s) and he went to floor. Manny apologized to the guy, who not only accepted the apology, but also stated it was “no big deal” and lasted all of “a couple of seconds”. And the secretary made a point to clarify that there were no hard feelings over the incident.
How this inflates into “literally beat up” is beyond me.
I’m not saying it is okay to shove older people, but this incident is so minor that bringing it up now borders on the ludicrous. And since you brought up Pedro Martinez in this context, did you forget the time he threw Don Zimmer to the ground?
Manny shoved a 64 year old office worker to the ground
when he was told he could not get tickets. Pedro pushed Zim when Zim was coming after him on the field during a fight, not at all the same thing. As for the fact that he " apologized". What was he supposed to do say I don’t care if I shoved the old fart? Manny has been a decided A-hole for his career. Most of it got papered over when he was the toast of Boston, but eventually even his teammates wanted him gone and fast. I bring it up because it is indicative that Manny is a selfish jerk who is not beyond shoving an old guy who could not get him some tickets and it was only public because other people were around.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 8, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
He's also not so much of an asshole
that he didn’t apologize. People make mistakes. He regreted his actions like a decent human being. Yet somehow you can act like he didn’t really mean it?
Manny is garbage.
I gotta wonder if he did anything in 2008..Am I still bitter about the 2008 playoff series between the Cubs/Dodgers?? Absolutely.
Good riddance
Caught for the third time. Makes me wonder how long he got away with it.
To quote Jeremy Clarkson, “He’s rubbish.”
3rd time?
I thought this was his 2nd time.
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Actually third since he was caught before there were penalties
That first round of " anonymous " testing.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 8, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, forgot about that.
So one could argue he’s the worst offender (CHEATER!) caught so far under today’s testing standards. IMO, there’s NO way he goes to the HOF.
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie" -- Tony Montana
Send Bud out the Door with Manny!
Selig has preached that the drug tests are working, blah blah blah… this guy is a clown who makes it seem like MLB is on the right course and ignores the fact that the players on PEDs are five steps ahead of MLB and its testing. Manny’s lame excuse was allowed to stand up when he was suspended last time and no one cared. Bud needs to go and this is further proof.
He doesn't still get this season's salary...
…does he?
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He will be retired...
so no, as he won’t be fulfilling his contract. He’ll get his pension though.
You can't win in the postseason unless you can manufacture runs. - Hall of Fame 2B Joe Morgan
Ha!
Like he really needs it. Manny is a POS
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He gets five days of his salary
pro rated
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 8, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
If the report is right, he signed a $2 mil deal with TB for one year
so his 5 game pro-rated salary is $61,726 and change. Not too bad lol
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Apparently he didn't want to take the drug test.
He’s an idiot. He really is.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
this could
only happen to the rays. manny you just screwed yourself. a 1st time hall of famer for sure but not anymore.
how will the rays try to add offense?
Do they throw in the towel given longoria’s injury and manny’s retirement? Or do they try and trade? Maybe the cubs could send pena back to supplement their offense, and go with colvin at 1st full time. Salary would be an issue, but perhaps eating enough money would bring back good, non-former cub prospects. Byrd might be appealing as well, he is relatively cheap, and produces about the same level as 2010-2011 manny.
by neifiisgreat on Apr 9, 2011 9:55 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Most likely they'll try and make improvements defensively and stay put offensively.
Getting Damon out of LF and into the DH spot will go a long way for improving their outfield. Whether it’s Fuld or Jennings taking over, both are massive improvements.
They would definitely not be interested in Pena at 10M and the Cubs would not have any interest in eating salary, especially after 7 games…
It’s the first week of the season and Manny wasn’t looking so hot anyway, I bet they’ll be better off long term regardless.
I didn't realize
Manny was in his 19th year. I remember when he was a rookie. Man, im getting old!
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I don't care about the PED argument
That’s more of a health issue to me and I would hope he realizes that PED usage has health consequences. I don’t consider his stats tainted, but I do hold his other behavior against him. Just imagine if he never pitched a fit to get out of Boston in 2008…
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If you disagree with me in any way, you are wrong.
Really?
You don’t consider his stats tainted and you think it’s only a health issue? I think very few people would agree with you on that.
by jerry morales rules on Apr 9, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't care if people agree with my views or not
But let’s say I thought his stats were tainted. Does that retroactively change the outcome of the games he played? Of course not. It wouldn’t make the Cubs advanced past the first round of the 2008 NLDS, would it? I know that people will say, “But that’s not the point.” Right. I get it. Many baseball fans treat the stats in this game like deities. To me, statistics are only a tool to better understand the game both past and present. So you can bet I’m more concerned about the man’s health than I am a few baseball stats. Performance enhancement drugs are a serious health issue that doesn’t really get enough discussion.
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If you disagree with me in any way, you are wrong.
I think I get what you're saying and that's not how I read your first comment
I took your first comment to mean that you didn’t feel that the PEDs aided his performance. I think what you’re saying is that it’s irrelevant whether they did or not. Regardless, it wouldn’t change that those players hit those HR’s and those games were won or lost.
I’m not willing to say it’s irrelevant, but I do think that the steroids era has to be looked at knowing that steroids were a part of the game. We shouldn’t, however, necessarily just skip over that period.
What I find difficult from my end is that now the “steroid” question is being applied unevenly. Listening to the national voices, it seems that Bonds could possibly still be an HoFer because he was the best of that era, but Sosa is excluded, even though Sosa could be argued that he was second best. For some reason, Pudge Rodriquez is given a total exemption on this all. Furthermore, it seems that the general discussion is picking those players that they believe were clean (Thomas, Thome) without any shred of proof to verify this and condemning others with the supposition that they were users. It’s completely uneven and I don’t think it’s fair.
by jerry morales rules on Apr 9, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
There have always been particular eras in the game
I think 50 years from now, the steroid era will just be another one of those eras. A good number of the guys fingered in the Mitchell Report or outed as PED users in other ways weren’t necessarily Hall of Fame caliber players. It’s part of what makes the cases of Sosa and McGwire interesting as opposed to that of Bonds or Clemens. There’s an incredible amount we don’t know about the steroid era. We’ll also never know just who gambled on games and got away with it back in the early days of the game. There’s suspicion around Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker, but they usually come out clean in discussions.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010) and Ron Santo (February 25, 1940-December 2, 2010).
If you disagree with me in any way, you are wrong.
I think the steroid era was an egregious and wide-spread infringement upon baseball
But if there is any comparison between it and other baseball infringements it is the segregated era. I just don’t think that what players did with greenies or what they did with betting is anywhere near a valid comparison. Whatever Babe Ruth did, he simply didn’t do it against the best available talent or in comparison with the best available hitters. How we view Ruth and Cobb and Speaker and the others may very well be different if they allowed entry to everyone.
I think the only way that 50 years from now we will view the steroid era as just another era is if the chemical enhancements of athletes gets so out of hand that there’s no way to control it. Right now, we may be going through the HGH era and we don’t even know it.
What I’m concerned with is that we apply the knowledge that we have evenly. I simply think that’s the best that we can do. Right now, though, that application is anything but even.
by jerry morales rules on Apr 10, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
As for his mental health
There seems to be some evidence that PED usage makes one increasingly stupid with ongoing use. See Bonds, McGuire, Clemens, Palmeiro and now Ramirez. Not too many sound or smart decisions being made by any of them in the last while.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Some people can be stupid without PEDs
I doubt Bradley took them
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 9, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
My comment was more or less tongue in cheek, but ok....
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Expecting? We'll know in about 8 months time...
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I am not a Mannry Fan......but
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-truth-about-hgh-for-weight-loss
HGH is actually a diet, and is very common in America currently; my doctor has spoken to me about it. Now it is banned from MLB but it’s commonly used for weight loss.
Jim Miller had a similar problem with the Bears with a banned substance leading to a 4 game suspension, and it was over the counter at GNC. Not every failed test is an illegal performance enhancer.
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