Chicago Cubs vs. Cincinnati Reds Preview, Monday 5/16, 6:10 CT: The Two-Game Series
by Al Yellon on May 16, 2011 4:00 PM CDT
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PrintPlayers are not fond of two-game series, especially on the road. They don't get much time to unpack before they have to re-pack, and in this case it's not that short a flight to their next stop -- Miami -- before yet another two-game series and another moderate-length flight (to Boston). The entire road trip will be played at night -- unusual for this time of year -- in fact, the Cubs have nine consecutive night games before they'll finally play again under sunshine on Thursday, May 26.
It does, at least, appear that the Cubs have at last outrun the rain; the Cincinnati forecast calls for a chance of light showers, but current radars show nothing anywhere near southwest Ohio.
In case you care, the sad MLB saga of Milton Bradley is likely over. The Mariners gave him his unconditional release today.
Finally, Tom Ricketts spoke to Ed Sherman at Crain's and had these interesting remarks about the lack of ticket sales:
Our ticket prices did not go up this year. This might be an issue from years past. For our season ticket holders, the average price did not go up. It was flat. We did juggle the pricing and added more premium games. But we took those dollars and subsidized 70% of our least expensive tickets. We increased the amount of our low-priced tickets.
I can't stand it when I hear someone say they can't afford to go to a game. It might be hard to get tickets for a Yankees or Sox game, but there's no reason why they can't afford to go another game. We want to get more fans in the park.
I'll let you all comment on that one. I've already written quite a bit about this topic.
Cubs lineup:
RF Fukudome, 2B Barney, SS Castro, 3B Ramirez, LF Soriano, CF Byrd, 1B Pena, C Hill, P Zambrano
Reds lineup:
Stubbs CF, Renteria SS, Votto 1B, Phillips 2B, Bruce RF, Rolen 3B, Gomes LF, Hanigan C, Bailey P
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Carlos Zambrano did not start last weekend at Wrigley against the Reds; his last start against them was April 10, 2010, one of his better outings before his banishment to the bullpen. Current Reds are hitting .267 (52-for-195) against Z, the best of whom is Edgar Renteria (.382, 13-for-34, seven walks). Big Z has won five straight starts at GABP, dating back to July 29, 2007.
Homer Bailey has made two starts for the Reds this year since returning from the DL on May 5. He, too, missed the recent weekend series. In four games against him in his career, the Cubs have pounded him for a 7.65 ERA and 13 walks in 20 innings. Current Cubs are 11-for-39 (.282) against Bailey with three... homers, one by Marlon Byrd, one by Alfonso Soriano, and one from Starlin Castro -- that Castro homer was in his first major league at-bat last May 7 in Cincinnati. Let's hope for another one tonight.
Today's game is the fourth of the year on WCIU. There are only two more. If you have EI and are outside the blackout areas, you should be able to get the FSN Ohio feed. Here is the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today.
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Please visit our SB Nation Reds site Red Reporter. The usual caution is advised.
Today's first pitch thread will be up at 6 p.m. CDT and the overflow threads will post at 7 pm, 8 pm and 8:45 pm CDT. If you need more overflows due to extra innings or rain delays, post them in the fanshot section.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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i hate it when people post first....
so i wont.
"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth. Joe Garagiola
So someone can be on base
For the top of the order?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
regarding Red Sox Yankee's Tickets
i watched the game last night on TV timeouts on the Bulls beat down of the Heat, but it looked less than packed…
"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth. Joe Garagiola
Ricketts is
some combination of a Bad Liar and a Crazy Person. If he actually believes what he has said, then he is insane and delusional.
Why else would someone buy the Cubs, huh?
Hack Wilson IX
by KO Stradivarius on May 16, 2011 4:08 PM CDT reply actions
I'd buy them.
And then I’d assume I know your financial situation and come on here and act outraged that you don’t support my overpriced and crappy product.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
I didn't...
This year, but I was thinking more about it and I’m wondering if my logic is flawed.
Here is why I didn’t want to buy tickets this year: I didn’t want to support the team financially until they proved they could win for me.
But, as a fan, don’t I have some sort of stake in how the cubs do? Shouldn’t I buy my tickets so that the Cubs can generate the revenue to get better players and do cool things with Wrigley so that other people want to come?
Am I not doing my job as a fan of the Cubs by not buying tickets?
Do you trust that they'll make wise decisions with the revenue they generate?
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
that IS the dilemma, I say hold out....we already tried the generate revenue tactic for like forever!
can’t wait till the game starts!
:)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on May 16, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I too swore off giving this team any $ since the end of the season last year when Lou quit.
It they’re going to run the team like the Pirates…then they can cut their payroll to match for all I care…the $ they’ve spent over the last 8 years has amounted to a dry popcorn fart.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Dry popcorn farts...
Must be why we have so many seagulls!
we weren't going to go to any games
but my boyfriends parents offered to buy tickets for us.
by Madison Cub Fan on May 16, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Three things really suck
First, two game series suck. Not having the game on TV sucks…no WCIU where I am. Third, ticket prices for those of is who have to travel long distances for weekend game at Wrigley get gouged on the summer premium game ticket prices. I will be going to two other parks for less money than another trip to wrigley. It’s always the money Tom.
If we win tonight that won’t suck. Just so you know I’m not negative.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on May 16, 2011 4:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Pittsburgh series July 8-10
The Pirates rarely if ever sell out, even against the Cubs. A few years ago they tried to get locals to come out with a Roberto Clemente figurine night, which made me very happy as Clemente was my favorite player ever (yes, ahead of any Cub).
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 16, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
We will also be headed
to Miller park and Cincinnati to see games . The Premium game prices are way out of line . The Ricketts family needs to look around . Go Cubs !!
Dear Mr. Ricketts
Please tell us how to stop your pain. We regret that we have not supported your latest business enterprise with more energy. Perhaps we’ve just learned from our role models like Mr. Soriano and Mr. Ramirez that it’s best to conserve our resources for another day. In any event, thank you foe making the cost of your product so affordable despite the unwillingness of fellow Americans to provide you with free money.
Your Friend Always,
A Cub Fan
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
by tharr on May 16, 2011 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Nice!
Each and every day, he reminds me more and more of Michael McCaskey.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
yep
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on May 16, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
hill starts again
Is that 3 of 4 or 4 of 5 now?
Where’s the beef?
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run FOR Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
by Archie on May 16, 2011 4:14 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Went 0 for in his one game
Better get him back to AAA.
by Mulhollandmania on May 16, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Pena
I kniow he’s scuffling, but I’d like to see him hit 4th for a while, if only because he’d at least take a few pitches with men on base. I believe this is the main reason this team does not hit with men on. Most pitchers facing a hitter with bases empty will try to get ahead with a FB down the middle. Hence, these guys get quite a few hits this way. However, when men are in scoring position, the pitcher rarely starts a hitter out with a strike, but we chase anyway. Does any of this make sense?
"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields
He's not scuffling in May
.289/.429/.553 line in May for nearly 50 PAs.
"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.
by RiskyBusiness on May 16, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to see Pena hit
tenth!
Or in another uniform. God, what a terrible idea it was to give him ten million dollars. LaHair would be preferable. Or LaCock!
Hack Wilson IX
by KO Stradivarius on May 16, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Quade is still not
over the Hill.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
...
I can’t stand it when I hear someone say they can’t afford to go to a game.
Oh boy.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 4:19 PM CDT reply actions
What a douchebag.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
by shoemile on May 16, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
i can afford to go to a Nashville sounds game. 8 bucks and i can sit anywhere i want.
"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth. Joe Garagiola
That statement ticks me off.
I guess there is a lot ticking me off lately. Each an every one of us work hard to put a roof over our heads & food on the table. This statement is coming from someone who doesn’t have to worry about that as much as the average Joe or Jane. I grew up watching the Cubs, but never got to see them as a kid because a trip to Chicago is expensive for a family of six. I raised one child on my own, and still never got to Chicago to see the Cubs because an expense like that was never in the budget. Don’t give me your sob story you winey little rich boy. Baseball tickets are an unnecessary expense in an economy like the current one.
I have PMS & a GPS -- which means -- I am a bitch, and I will find you.
by cub in louies nest on May 16, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Tom Ricketts.... oh boy.
Al has said that the Chairman has a “perception problem”. That is exactly true. The more pressing problem, however, is that the perception is accurate.
Has anyone in Chicago sports history ever wasted more goodwill more quickly?
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
He's like Rocky Wirtz.
Only the exact opposite.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
You guys are mean....
did you not get that Mr. Ricketts got his shoes wet at one of the games this spring? Geesh, go easy on the guy!
Well when
Mr. Ricketts wants to buy me a premium ticket, sends a limo for my transportation I might consider going to a game………..j/k………sort of. Ah well I can dream.
I can’t stand it when I hear someone say they can’t afford to go to a game. It might be hard to get tickets for a Yankees or Sox game, but there’s no reason why they can’t afford to go another game. We want to get more fans in the park.
LOL
Yeah, if they want to go on a Tuesday in early April. Some people actually have to work for a living, Tom.
What a tool.
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
by bluemagic9 on May 16, 2011 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
This really solidifies to me that, at least at this point in time,
Tom Ricketts doesn’t have a goddamn clue what he’s doing.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
by shoemile on May 16, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
He "doesn't get it"
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
He never did.
We were just naive enough to give him a chance.
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
by bluemagic9 on May 16, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you hit the nail on the head
I so wanted him to be different. I chalked it up to being new at this. There are politcians that are more sincere than he was with a comment like that
by Madison Cub Fan on May 16, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe the majority of the cubs faithful never see that...
but i think all of baseball needs to read those comments and be furious over it. what a douche bag. half of the country is playing the which utility to get turned off game on a monthly basis and he cant understand how people complain about not being able to afford baseball.
"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth. Joe Garagiola
His comments belong on www.whitewhine.com
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
If he actually was the fan of the team he claims he is,
He’d know that those are the games people want to see. Has he ever seen home games against teams like the White Sox or Cardinals, or tried to buy tickets to those? If so, he’d know how hot a ticket those are.
Complaining to the reporter that they’re not filling the stadium with increasingly lackluster play against teams like the Pirates shows that he doesn’t understand it. You can only hose the fan so much before the fan stops coming.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 16, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
If I hear him cite the weekday April Bronze Games as a mitigating factor for his price hike one more time...
I swear I’m gonna lose it.
It gets tiring hearing the same set of half-truths repeated for months on end.
It seems to me that public relations is a pretty sizeable portion of Tom’s job, and he’s singularly terrible at it.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
Talk about tone deaf. I gave him a chance right up until this moment.
Insensitive, out of touch, defensive, $$ for eyeballs.
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. -J.R.R. Tolkien
Save
Tom could save a ton of money by selling to Mark Cuban.
"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields
I often wonder what the Cubs look like
in a parallel universe where Cuban is the owner.
130 game perrenial winners! 0'fer in the playoffs, though :(
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
Because in BCB-world, the Mavs are playoffs underachievers.
God forbid we make the playoffs every year, the NLCS half the time, and the Series once or twice a decade.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
It wouldn't be worth it...
cuz our owner would be an ass and say dumb stuff..oh wait.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 17, 2011 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions
All the love for Cuban as owner with ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to think the Cubs would be better off reminds me of the saying that sometimes its best to finish 2nd for a tough job.
Same with Sandberg.
There is ABSOLUTELY as much reason to think the CUbs would be worse off with Cuban and Sandberg as there is to believe they’d be better off,
Cuban is all about himself.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on May 16, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
All because Berkman is too slow on the OF
Berkman should’ve been playing 1st for us…. for less than Pena…. G-Dam-it.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
What Puhols wants
… is to show he can still play third so that he’ll have no chance of being blocked in Chicago by Brian LaHair.
Hack Wilson IX
by KO Stradivarius on May 16, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Or Josh Vitters.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
This must be what he tells his father
whom he sold on buying the Cubs by telling him they sell out every game.
Wow.
Talk about a bad choice of words from Ricketts. I get the point he’s making — there are some better priced games if you don’t want premium days or opponents — but he sounds petulant and childish here. Not acknowledging that the Cubs are an inferior product to what they were two years ago when fans and that the fans have to pay more to see them play against better opponents is, well, very discouraging.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
He's clearly divorced from reality.
To ask the state for 200 million dollar handout and then bitch about people claiming that can’t afford things is absolutely pathetic.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
I think this is an instance where his tone is the real problem.
Would we have been upset if he had said something like this?
“I can’t stand it that our pricing plan hasn’t worked better early this season. It might be hard to get tickets for a Yankees or Sox game, but we feel many other tickets are far more affordable.” We want to get more fans in the park."
He could have said a few other things (the weather has been bad, the team has underperformed, etc.). But to say "I can’t stand when people say … " makes him look childish and petulant. It sounds like he’s blaming people for being ignorant or cheap!
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
That's exactly the problem.
In your alternate statement, he’s putting the blame on himself. The way he said it, he’s putting the blame on us. I honestly think he still believes the whole “they’ll come no matter what!” BS he told his father, and really doesn’t understand that sales will be dictated by the quality of the product. He’s looking for reasons everywhere except on the field.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Or ...
he wasn’t careful with his words. I’m not excusing him either way — but what he said might have been part sloppy, part out of touch, as opposed to completely out of touch.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
That's great...we have an out-of-touch sloppy owner.
Now tell me the bad news.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, find me a rich guy who isn't at least a little out of touch, SWL.
And, no, I’m not defending the guy.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
There are also poor people out of touch
What is your point?
by Madison Cub Fan on May 16, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought it was pretty obvious.
We’re all gnashing our teeth about Ricketts’ comments, with the clear implication that somebody else might have been better. Cuban is even mentioned in the thread.
But given the vast amount of money it takes to own a team in the MLB, a rich guy (or guys) would almost certainly be the owner of the Cubs. And rich guys are often out of touch. That’s all I’m saying. I doubt Jerry Reinsdorf or the Steinbrenners understand the average middle-class budget.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
His comments would be easier to take if this team was better.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Absolutely no question of that.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Everything goes
down better with a winning club.
by Damen Jackson on May 16, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess I don't expect him to understand
but I would hope he’s not that out of touch enough to say those things.
We are dealing with two levels of being out of touch.
A) not getting that family of 4 can’t afford tickets b/c you have millions of dollars and don’t know what it’s like to put gas or groceries on your credit card.
B) but for him to think that he was some how helping people afford tickets is where I think he must be nuts.
by Madison Cub Fan on May 16, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I know several wealthy gentelmen who are not only "in touch" , but also go out of their way to stay that way.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
You know several gentlemen who are wealthy enough to buy ...
a major league baseball franchise? Seriously?
If so, please invite me the next time you have a BBQ.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I only know one guy like that
And he’s really down to earth. Likes to work in his son’s wine shop on Saturdays.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Doctor who came up with an AIDS drug
And won the patent infringement lawsuit against the pharma co that ripped him off. Split the settlement pretty much down the middle with the university where he invented it
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Probably has a different outlook than someone born into money, I'd assume.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
He does
His kids were a little snobby when they were younger, but they’ve mellowed out with age. They’re a very close family, and I think the old man’s been a good influence on them.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Well, he should have bought the Cubs, then.
The point is that when you have multiple millions, it’s understandable — though not excusable — to take some things for granted.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
He'd have been worse than Ricketts
I don’t think he follows any sports at all.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
maybe that would have made him better....
he may have hired the right baseball people who could get us out of this mess
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on May 16, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Tom Ricketts wasn't wealthy enough to buy a major league baseball franchise.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
He was born on 3rd and still thinks he hit a triple.
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
All the more reason ...
he could be out of touch. He’s ALWAYS had money.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
My own father
My own Dad doesn’t have as much money as the Ricketts but he is clearly the millionaire next door type. Nobody would ever guess I’m a member of that type of family either.
Actually most rich people are in touch especially those that aren’t from long time wealth.
And I also think we read too much into what people say. God it’s been 2 years.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on May 16, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
He needs to stop saying stupid crap like this then.
Regardless of whether it’s his first day on the job or 25 years down the line.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Ditto.
Being rich is no excuse for being a tool.
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
It isn't. But you can factor it in ...
when considering how and why he was being a tool.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Oh, please.
So, in your mind, I’m defending the guy if I’m willing to look at a couple shades of gray?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Yes
Again if it’s that all rich people are out of touch is your reason.
How is that not you justifying why he said that?
by Madison Cub Fan on May 16, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Because I'm not saying that it's OK that he said it.
That’s justifying it, per a dictionary definition, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/justify.
1. to show (an act, claim, statement, etc.) to be just or right: The end does not always justify the means.
2. to defend or uphold as warranted or well-grounded: Don’t try to justify his rudeness.
3. Theology . to declare innocent or guiltless; absolve; acquit.
I didn’t do any of that.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Wow
Really? I thought you were doing the first def actually
by Madison Cub Fan on May 16, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Seemed to me he was saying it was bad
Just not as bad as the rest of us think.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
WHERE did I say it was just or right?
This is what I said, more or less, through the thread:
“I’m not excusing him either way — but what he said might have been part sloppy, part out of touch, as opposed to completely out of touch.”
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Alright, I read the whole article.
And he does say if the Cubs win, they’ll start getting more fans in the park. So perhaps I was wrong on that front.
But EG, at this point in time, maybe he wasn’t careful with his words, but I do believe they are his true feelings. I think this whole “owning a baseball team” has been much harder than he thought, and he doesn’t have the ability to right this ship.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
or the common sense to jettison the people who've been at the helm of the ship for these past several years.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I totally agree on that.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Yeah, I can't figure that one out.
Agree as well.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 16, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
It's hard to get into somebody else's head.
I was a newspaper reporter for five years. It’s easy to misstate someone’s thoughts even when you’re quoting them accurately. This is why there is an honest argument — along with dishonest ones — for PR/message handlers. Sometimes, sources have to be saved from themselves.
I’ll grant you that Ricketts looked out of touch and in over his head with the state assistance request, and that the request makes this look worse. But I wonder if we’re reading too much into this — that this comment is a 5 on a scale of one to 10 and not an 11.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
So what would he have to say to get you to think it was an 11?
by Madison Cub Fan on May 16, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
That he roots for the Cardinal unless their playing the Cubs.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
So he's BLou, then?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 16, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, Tom did believe the stereotype that Cubs fan don't care about what's happening on the field.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Sigh ... yep.
And now he’s realizing the hard way that we do care about how the team plays. I don’t think I’ve ever cared this little about the Cubs, and I’ve been a fan for a while.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 16, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
that's when he lost me....when I saw that tape of his father,
it was like the ultimate slap in the face. But then everything else he’s done or not done made sense :(
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on May 16, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you or does anyone else have a link for that tape?
I’d like to see it. Then again…maybe I wouldn’t. I’m disgusted already as it is.
Fasten those seat belts...
here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac6h2wczxGA
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
If he had called fans who didn't like the pricing structure ...
“whiners”. That’s not the ONLY thing — and no, I can’t think of dozens of different examples — but that would have put this into the stratosphere with me.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
So you're basically going to defend him, short of him out and out insulting the fans a'la MB?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
So, saying something might be a 5 out of 10 of badness is defending him?
Not in my book. But, then, I live in a land without down-to-earth millionaires who work in wine shops.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
We obviously have different scales then
you are far more understanding (or possibly naive) than I a
by Madison Cub Fan on May 16, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I'd say that it's fine to have different scales.
I was furious about the public assistance issue last year. That was a well-thought-out and unambiguous statement that showed Ricketts was out of touch.
I can’t get as excited over a comment that he MIGHT not fully believe.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Weren't these comments made in a sit-down interview?
For the owner of a team, in May 2011, to say “I can’t stand it when people say they can’t afford our tickets”, it’s a lot worse than a 5/10.
It’s closer to an 8 or a 9. Really, Tom? You “can’t stand” elements in your fanbase? Because certain, less affluent, fans don’t know that their place is weekdays in April/Sept?
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yes it is defending him
b/c you are saying it is b/c rich people are out of touch so it’s ok.
by Madison Cub Fan on May 16, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, lord.
This is infuriating. Saying something is 5 out of 10 bad is saying it’s OK?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Try using that rational to defend Kobe when he uses derogatory speech.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry. I'm still looking for millionaires who work in wine shops.
Anyway, which Kobe comments are you alluding to?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
...
He’s just “out of touch” because of the world he lives in.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Apples and oranges.
Hate speech versus a dumb out-of-touch comment. And let me say ONE MORE TIME that I’m not absolving Ricketts for saying something dumb and out of touch.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
You aren't absolving him...
you just trying to explain to us that he…
maybe didn’t really mean it…
is a bit out of touch and didn’t realize how it would sound…
had a poor choice of words…
was misquoted…
Yeah…you’re not defending him at all.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You and shades of gray don't get along, do you?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Well...you went through about 4 different shades of gray so far trying to get us to understand.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't I think I did.
My argument was basically three points:
1) Ricketts’ comments were stupid, but possibly as sloppy as they were out of touch and offensive.
2) It doesn’t surprise me when rich guys capable of buying major league sports franchises are out of touch (even if they work in wine shops).
3) He still shouldn’t have said what he said.
Madison is right about one thing. I’ve used far too much energy on this. I’m going to do my best to walk away now.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Touched a nerve that someone has a real life
example of someone rich who doesn’t support your theory?
by Madison Cub Fan on May 16, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Look above, please.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
So that fact SWL and I find this offensicvce
and you only find it mildly offensive is what this debate is about?
by Madison Cub Fan on May 16, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
wow
if thats what your debating this strongly…….
I’d hate to see you defend a family member
by Madison Cub Fan on May 16, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't think my original comments were that incendiary.
And I didn’t want my words to be so horribly misconstrued.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Now you know how Tom Ricketts probably feels.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
As far as I can tell.
And Shoe basically said as much above. Your the one who inferred something that wasn’t there from my comments.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
If it makes you feel any better el
I understand your point, and think you’ve got a good one, so your argument isn’t totally lost
We'll all miss you Ron.
Thanks, al.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I think it's two fold.
One, no one wants to hear a billionaire bitch about people not being able to afford something. I can understand that as being a slip of the tongue, or not his intention.
On the other hand though, a comment like this makes me think this guy really doesn’t understand the product he’s selling. No shit people want to see two of the best and most historical teams in baseball. Why don’t they want to see the Cubs play the Pirates? Because neither team is good. Just because some games are cheaper doesn’t mean they’re a good deal.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
I agree.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Having read all these comments....
… I will say this: it’s really clear that the policies instituted over the last year or so have alienated a lot of people. Having met Tom Ricketts personally, I do not believe he set out to do that.
Having said that, it’s clear that he’s going to have to make changes or the fanbase is going to desert this team. From the ticket pricing to refusal to allow exchanges for rainouts, these policies are 100% not fan friendly.
He has specifically told me he wants to be fan-friendly. It’s time to show that, not just say it.
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It may finally be time to admit that this organization has specifically told you lots of bullshit Al.
Welcome to our world.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Seriously.
Look at the ten buck bleachers for further proof. No point in biting one’s tongue for access if all it gets you is a big bowl of lies.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
But they're DISCO LIES....with cheese and gravy!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think they've told me anything like that
I think they actually believe what they say. I’ve written tons here about how the ticket pricing system is wrong. I’ve even told them so, both here and directly.
They choose not to listen. They are going to reap the reward of that, or in this case the lack of reward.
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So they're just wildly ignorant.
Sounds about right.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
by shoemile on May 16, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's not a lie if you believe it when you're saying it.
I’M THE KING OF PERU!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Stuff it, Leonardo
Although you’re still prettier than Kate.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
KOYIE HILL IS A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL PLAYER
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
CARLOS PENA WILL WIN THE TRIPLE CROWN!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 16, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
RANDY WELLS ON SCHEDULE TO RETURN TO THE ROTATION SOON.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wonder how long it's going to take them to come around on that subject.
I’m not going to hold my breath, though … seems like it’s going to be a long time.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 16, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
All I can do from here is continue to make my point about ticket pricing.
Which I have done both here and in person. So far, they have chosen to ignore me.
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Also
Also Al people have got to realize this is the second season he has owned the team.
Things aren’t going to be perfect and things are going to go wrong.
And how do we know we wouldn’t be paying triple if Mark Jesus Cuban had bought the team?
But we would have a clown as owner in the stands to watch on tv.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on May 16, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure if you noticed but..
We do have a clown of an owner in the stands, he sits right behind the team’s on-deck circle. Saturday night when the rain started to pick up he put his rain poncho on backwards. This guy is in so far over his head it’s not even funny. He has tried to talk a good game but he seems clueless and out of touch. Cubs fans criticize Cuban but he was smart enough to know that Ricketts was bidding far more than the franchise was worth. Cuban is definitely getting the last laugh.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 16, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
"The poors should stop whining. We have games for them, too! On weekdays, in April and May."
Of course, if that game gets rained out, screw them. Go get another vacation day, poors.
Also, stay the hell away from my ballpark during the “Gold”, “Platinum”, or “Marquee” games, which take place on weekends and in better weather.
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Ricketts doesn't have his finger on the pulse of the 'common fan'.
Al’s taking the easy way out on this one I see. :)
I think I know where Ricketts has his finger.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hopefully using it frequently and passionately
so he doesn’t end up in a take-no-prisoners McCourt divorce war.
He can't stand poor and middle class people. These people are fun suckers poisining our society
Why can’t everyone spend 200-300 bucks every week and go to Wrigley and watch Koyie Hill catch and Pena whiff? Is that a big ask?
by cubsnlinux on May 16, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm on board! Once they build the AmTrak from Iowa City to Chicago for the suburban college kids to get home...
I’ll purchase my $100 one-way ticket to Wrigley, then my $80 ticket to the Cubs v. Marlins, maybe a couple $8 Old Styles and boom, what an affordable day I had! I want to support Mr. Ricketts!
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
You better buy merchandise too, you cheapskate.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
by shoemile on May 16, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're right! A $50 hoodie, and probably a $80 wind/rain breaker, woohoo! Money? Who gives a shit?
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
by Subterfuge on May 16, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cashner scratched after warming up for today's EXST game
per AZPhil. This sucks. Doug Davis might be here for longer than we thought.
As long as Wells is on track, I'm ok with Davis.
I hope they take their time with Cash.
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
And the hits keep comin'!
I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best
I'm not really surprised.
Cashner’s is such a prized prospect, and shoulder injuries are so finicky. When he and Wells went down, I kinda figured we’d get Wells back relatively quickly, and have to wait for a while on Cash.
That said, Davis probably can be a No. 5 starter for a while.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I agree, but let's hope Davis doesn't throw his best game in side-ways rain.
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
Oh, no doubt.
My mind simply went to the “Cashner’s shoulder is completely effed” place, moreso than “the Cubs are taking it easy on Cashner” place.
As far as 5th starters go, we could (and have) done worse than Doug Davis.
THERE IS NO STRUCTURAL DAMAGE TO CASHNER'S SHOULDER
(just keep saying it, Hendry.)
THERE ARE NO SURGERY POSSIBILITIES WITH EITHER WELLS OR CASHNER
No sarcasm, though – did we ever get a different team physician(s) after failing to diagnose Prior’s problem for 2 years?
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17-21-2
I feel dumb… but what is the 2 for?
by Madison Cub Fan on May 16, 2011 4:49 PM CDT reply actions
Do what now?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Or those 2 times Ricketts forgot his "blood-diamond" encrusted Cufflinks to the game?
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
OIC now
That’s gotta be a mistake – they happen from time to time. Astros SBN site has them at 15-25-1.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yes, it's a mistake.
I’ll send it to support.
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I can't stand it when I hear someone say they can't afford to go on an African Safari.
It might be hard to go on a Eurasian Expedition or an Australian Walkabout, but there’s no reason why they can’t afford to go to another whirlwind jaunt across the ocean. We want to get more members in the country club.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 4:59 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I hope it's the Australian Walkabout!
Tuesday: Mr. Ricketts talks about a special trip he is making this week.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Nah...he's going to visit a home for disadvantaged hedge fund managers.
He’s bringing them signed baseball’s and tickets for the CBOE box seats.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
True...Posada is only batting about .010 points higher than Hill but he has 6 HRs and has as many RBI's as Aramis.
I’d take him tomorrow.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: Oh, hell yes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkuhqsnZF7Y
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I don't think their player's union would support this kind of behaviour.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I can see a whole new clause being written into every player's new contract
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Wish I could fast-forward this season
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
YOU ARE GOING TO WATCH IT...ALL OF IT...EVERY PAINFUL INNING.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
oh yeah?
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on May 16, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I found it on SSH
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on May 16, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty much how I feel everytime I look at my box o' tickets
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
Good thing you can afford them.
Or else Tom would have berated you.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
I'm going find Tom's email address and see how many people I can get to write to him with empassioned stories of how we can't afford to go to Cubs games.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe we'll get free tickets!
But then the game will get rained out and we’ll be screwed anyway, since the makeup game will be during work.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
good job...
now you’ll NEVER see the Cubs win a World Series.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
She can still listen to Joe Buck calling the games, though
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Listening to Joe Morgan call a game.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 16, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand that,
But I looked it up, and that was a synonym for “cruel and unusual punishment”.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 16, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
You know actually know this for a fact....
he might sit nude in front of his TV eating pancakes and orange push-ups while calling the game to his cats.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Can he be wearing bunny slippers in my version of this vision?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
yes...and the living room is decorated with various velvet paitings of Joe Morgan.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
know = don't
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 16, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
My opinion on attendance
In my 50 plus years as a Cub fan there has always been a draw for me. Starting with Ernie, Santo, Williams, Sandberg, Dawson, Kingman, Sosa, etc. Speaking just for me this is really the first year when there was no one exciting to watch. Even when we were losing in the 50’s, then the 60’s I watched and attended the games. Bleachers by the way were considered last resort seats and were $2.00 per ticket. Once again my opinion, but at least someone on the team was exciting and because of that I watched. I find no one on the cubs exciting to watch now. I was surprised to see that it costs $64.00 for a bleacher seat. To me that’s alot of money. That means I’ll never attend another game. That kind of money for one ticket is just not in my budget.
Aw crap....
I live in Southern Illinois and I’m in the blackout area…no game for me tonight :( Of course, I could watch the Deadbirds on ESPN….ewww
"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10
Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.
So do I
He may be a great one to watch in the future, but not now. There’s just no one the Cubs who generates that kind of interest to me.
ACTUAL GAME THREAD LOL!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Wow...
what an unbelievably stupid thing for Ricketts to say. Just, wow. Is he really the brightest sibling of the bunch? Surely one of the others isn’t stupid enough to actually publicly say things like this. They might want to rethink Tom being the face/spokesman of the group.
I dont think Ricketts is out of touch
The price of polo pony food is out of sight and yacht fuel is through the roof. And Cub fans are bitching about a few hundred bucks to watch this surefire pennant contender. We should all fall in line and behave!
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
AGAIN
AGAIN OVERREATING TO COMMENTS.
And again we have the usual with for the circus clown Cuban to own the team with absolutely no evidence he would be any better,
IT’s been 2 freaking years!
I wish I could be MArk Cuban. To get all this undeserved love from people who want to see a clown in the stands in their owner.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
and yet somehow you have all this evidence that Cuban would be worse as an owner.
How do you do it, oh puckishcubsfan? How do you do it…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
He sits behind the bench at games, dude.
What more evidence do you need?
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
I'm shocked no one responds to your meet-up posts.
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
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