Cashner to get another MRI
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If he has any damage..
I highly doubt the Cubs will pursue him as a starter anymore.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
I hope that's not true
We have so few TOR caliber prospects, and we really don’t need any more bullpen prospects.
by Mulhollandmania on May 16, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe we'll see him in 2012 for another start
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
This.
Sucks. Hope you have long term housing plans Doug Davis.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on May 16, 2011 7:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Not good
Hope it’s nothing serious, but …
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 16, 2011 8:00 PM CDT reply actions
Not surprising...
…the Cubs continue their inept ways when it comes to handling injuries.
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How so?
Plenty of other teams have similar situations. Don’t know if you pay attention to that, but I do.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 16, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Medically...
…the injury was likely handled very well, it is the PR part of it the Cubs have struggled with for a long while.
By the way, it is not a good sign he is getting yet another MRI.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Well
It wasnt exactly a bold decision to sit him down in the first place. The screw up was not getting it thoroughly checked out immediately after the injury.
The initial time table for his return was right about now (4-6 weeks) and here we are back basically at the same point as we were when he came out of that start. The Cubs seem to have no idea what specifically is injured and how bad it is injured. That is inexcusable.
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And you know this how?
The Cubs have never been a team to lay out everything to the press.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
The New England Patriots are geniuses and trailblazers
The Cubs are idiotic and unable to properly notify fans of injury information.
Apples and oranges
The injured list is a part of NFL strategy. We are talking about an arm injury to the guy that is supposed to be the future of this pitching staff.
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And the point remains, it doesn't matter if you know what they really see or not.
It’s not like the mismanaged him. They got it checked out, had him play long toss, throw a sim game, and when it acted up, they’re getting another MRI.
They couldn’t envision another injury. What do you want them to say, “If this is what we think it is, we can expect him back in 4-6 weeks. But, it probably will start flaring up again around that time and we’ll do another MRI then.”
They don’t know what’s going to happen with the injury until the player starts throwing, and can you imagine the uproar if they waited 4-6 weeks to give us a preliminary report? Heads would roll.
He is getting a 2nd MRI 6 weeks after
This stuff doesnt happen unless there is some kind of structural damage. For the Cubs to proceed with any kind of throwing program before completely ruling out structural damage to their supposed future ace is the mistake. Why even put a time table on his return in the first place? Why not just be honest? This guy is our future and he is not going to to throw untill we are 100% sure he is ready and we dont know when that will be. I trhink most Cub fans would have accpeted that.
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Do you know what an MRI is??
The first MRI didn’t show any structural damage. If it did, they wouldn’t have started him on a throwing program.
He starting throwing and is continuing to have pain and they will do another MRI to see if anything has changed.
Six weeks after the initial injury he is having another MRI
that tells you right there that they still dlont know what is wrong with him. Is that hard to understand?
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It's not like a mechanic
Shoulder injuries are not easy to diagnose. It happens all the time that organizations have to update rehab schedules for a variety of injuries. It’s even worse when you are talking shoulders with pitchers which is so very unpredictable.
Not that Peavy is a shoulder, but look at that example. Months after the injury and the surgery, the White Sox didn’t know the schedule he needed to be on. You write like the Cubs should have undergone some diagnostics on Cashner and a computer somewhere would spit out the plan for him. It doesn’t work that way.
I think the Cubs learned huge lessons with regards to Prior and Wood. in this case, I just don’t see how the Cubs are at fault. If you didn’t know that there was a lot of risk in the initial estimates, that’s your issue and not the Cubs.
by jerry morales rules on May 17, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
This is 2011
It doesnt take much to figure out if someone has any kind of structural damage or not. Yet 6 weeks later the Cubs still dont know if he has any.
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As someone who has had elbow surgery I can assure you that
it is more or less pretty simple.
I felt a lot more discomfort in my right elbow than usual after working out. I got an MRI and 2 weeks later I had surgery.
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OMG!!!!!
This is truly ignorant.
The complexity involved with elbow issues is so much easier than shoulders by multiples of times.
by jerry morales rules on May 17, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Wrong
There are many more ways to injure an elbow than the shoulder.
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As a PT, you're absolutely dead wrong on elbows being more complex than shoulders.
Here’s an article for you The more you know
by bdlugz on May 17, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for truth.
As a PT and someone who wrecked the shoulder.
Oh that's reminds me of how I had my wisdom teeth out once
so now I’ve opened a dental practice in my basement.
Also, my car broke down once so I’m currently applying to be a NASCAR pit mechanic. Clearly the expert qualifications are there.
You are a jerk
I remember the lies you tried to spread a few weeks ago about the Bonds case.
Now I see the lies that you have used to try to prove Liriano’s fastball velocity isnt down this year.
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Lies?
Oh my. That’s quite an accusation.
Maybe you saw a show met a lawyer once and can use that expertise to get me for perjury.
Close
Im a cop and am working through law school as we speak.
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I'm guessing you're doing it pretty slowly.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 17, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
This is ridiculous
I need you to read this article. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Cubs-Cashner-suffers-setback?urn=mlb-354728
According to the first MRI, there was no structural damage. They looked for it and couldn’t find it. It’s not as if Hendry was looking at the results. These are trained professionals. It’s not “The Cubs” that can’t tell if he has structural damage. It’s trained medical professionals and it’s not as easy in all situations as you write.
They are now taking a second look for structural damage. We’ll see if anything appears this time, but this is not uncommon, even in 2011.
by jerry morales rules on May 17, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes it is uncommon
You never hear about this kind of stuff from other teams in any sport. Guys have setbacks all the time, which is true, but you never hear about multiple MRIs.
You seem to be missing a key point, this guy is supposed to be the future of this staff. Why not exhaust all avenues upon his initial report of discomfort?
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I'm not going to do the research to prove how wrong you are
This is ridiculous, but it happens all the time and I gave you one example that the Withe Sox are going through right now.
What avenues are you referring to that the Cubs didn’t pursue? One pitch after initial discomfort, they shut him down and had him undergo MRI’s which were found to be negative.
by jerry morales rules on May 17, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Why not send him to Andrews or some equivalent?
As far as Peavy goes, you even admitted that is a different situation.
I watch a ton of sports, and I never hear about a player in any sport requiring multiple MRIs on the same body part 6 weeks apart just to get even an initial diagnosis. It doesnt happen.
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Andrews is a surgeon
Not a radiologist.
You go to him after you’ve diagnosed damage.
Of course, I don’t need to be telling you this – you had surgery once.
And yet teams of all sports send players to him
for a diagnosis before any surgery is done. I would guess that Andrews spends a majority of his time reading x-rays and MRIs not performing surgery.
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I'll say this as politely as possible...
You clearly have absolutely no knowledge of the medical field, and you’re making some outlandish comments. As someone in the medical field, you are incorrect in your statements.
Your argument is one of Neil Patrick Harris in the commercials, “I used to be a doctor, in pretend.”
So teams never send players to Andrews for diagnosis
That is news to me. Because you hear about it all the freaking time. He doesnt just perform surgery. In fact in many cases he recommends against surgery.
If you dont know this and are really in the medical field then I feel sorry for your patients.
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People go see Dr. Andrews after they have a diagnosis...
Once you FIND SOMETHING WRONG in an MRI, you would go to him with those results and the reviewing Drs. suggestion and he would determine the best course of action for your particular case.
The Drs. who review the x-rays and MRI are NOT orthopedic surgeons and, although they would make a suggestion, they are NOT the best source to determine the course of action. THIS is where someone like Dr. Andrews steps in. Just like Dr. Andrews would NOT be the Dr. to perform and review an x-ray or MRI, because that is not his area of expertise.
You’re really grasping at straws here, and you’re really wrong.
You mean how the Cards though that Wainwright would be fine in the fall and
by the spring, presto Tommy John surgery. I won’t argue that the Cubs frequently are not forthcoming with the press but to argue that the Cubs should know exactly what is wrong on the first day is a little naive.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
He didnt get hurt until after he made his first spring training start
I am sure that if Wainwright had already been injured he would not have even made that start.
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But he missed his final 2010 start due to pain.
Why didn’t he have TJ surgery in October?
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Do you really think the Cardinals
didnt have Wainwright checked out in the offseason? He came to camp said he felt good, he threw multiple times and then made the teams first start of spring training. It was during that start that he got hurt. Maybe it was just a matter of time before Wainwright was going to need TJ surgery but the bottom line was that he did not have any structural damage until after that first spring training start.
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Do you really think the Cubs
didn’t have Cashner checked out after they pulled him from the game? After his MRI he said he felt good, he threw multiple times, and then made his first simulated game start. It was during that simulated game he got hurt. ….. the bottom line was that he did not have any structural damage until after that first simulated game start.
…. see what I did there?
by bdlugz on May 17, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wainwright probably made a 1000+
throws between the end of last season and his first start in spring training. Cahner probably made about 100 between MRIs. Just a tiny little difference.
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You probably have zero idea what actually happened
You’re making assumptions to better fit your scenerio.
I would actually argue that after the fatigue from last year, he was on an offseason program that mostly rested his shoulder, making sure it wasn’t further strained.
He probably had very limited action before he reported to camp in February, and certainly wasn’t throwing thousands of pitches.
But… keep telling yourself that.
The Cubs
are either dishonest about injuries or get caught flat-footed about injuries on a regular basis. It’s been one of the consistent themes of the Cubs in the Hendry era.
DEJESUS!!!
Gorzelanny would fit nicely in the rotation
Hendry dumps Gorzey and breaks camp with Mateo & Russell. Yet another brilliant decision by our brain dead GM.
I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
Russell is very good as a LOOGY
Mateo is… right handed. You know the difference between which hand they throw with, right?
You wanted FOUR lefty relievers? Yikes.
Well, he's decent as a loogy
but he almost certainly could have broken camp in Iowa and it wouldn’t have hurt us at all.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 17, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I wont argue that.
I don’t want to start this entire argument over again, but you don’t take a reclamation project (Gorz) and build his value as a starter simply to put him in your pen as an emergency starter.
I guarantee that I know more about and watch more baseball than you do
No other team has a track record like the Cubs when it comes to handling injuries especially to pitchers. Take the Yanks with Phil Hughes, he has arm problems and they shut him down just like the Cubs did with Cash. The difference was they IMMEDIATELY sent him to see a specialist. That is just one example that has happened already this season.
Many people predicted that something like this would happen as soon as word came out that Cash was injured in the first place. It wasnt just pure pessism that led people to predict this, we have all seen it again and again and again.
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I think he's been treated by team physician Dr. Steven Gryzlo at NMH
I believe that he’s an orthopedic surgeon.
As one of the people cmpody is referring to who “predicted” that the Cubs were largely full of baloney on April 7, I also think he’s pretty much right on. The Cubs are uniquely weird in the way they talk to the press about injuries.
Who says something like “there is no possibility of surgery for either player”, or “worst case it’s a month” one day after an injury? You have no idea at that point! The guy isn’t even going to be allowed to THROW for 2 weeks, and you’re saying it’s going to be two-and-a-half weeks? Have some message discipline and stop telling the press what you think fans want to hear.
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by D98 on May 17, 2011 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I like that, "uniquely weird"
That sounds a lot better than saying that Cubs management are just a bunch of bald faced liars.
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If you tell fans the truth...
it doesn’t sell tickets. Cashner has just bought a ticket on the Prior / Wood rollercoaster ride.
Not true about Hughes
Hughes began to suffer lack of velocity in his first start on April 3. The Yankees started him two more times before putting him on the DL on April 15. He threw a bullpen session again on April 20 and then another one on April 23. Hughes didn’t get an MRI until April 26 and didn’t see a specialist until April 27.
I don’t know what you mean by IMMEDIATELY, but 24 days isn’t immediate to me. It was even a full 12 days after he was placed on the DL.
by jerry morales rules on May 17, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Stop the facts.
They get in the way of relentless bitching.
And furthermore on Hughes
In his first start, he went 4 innings and gave up 5 earned runs. In start 2, he went 2 innings and gave up 6 earned runs. In the third start, he had his best results going 4.1 innings and 5 earned runs.
In contrast, the Cubs threw Cashner for only one more pitch after he experienced discomfort. One pitch..
by jerry morales rules on May 17, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Again,
logic and rational thought have no place in the world of Bitch Cubbie Blue.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 17, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
He wasnt complaining of discomfort or injury at the time he was making starts
Maybe he was lying about how he felt, but the facts are many pitchers have trouble with velocity in the early part of the season, the Yankees felt Hughes was in that same boat.
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That doesn't explain why it took 12 days
after being placed on the DL before he saw a specialist. It was your premise that the Yankees sent him to a specialist immediately. That is false. It was not immediate.
by jerry morales rules on May 17, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
He wasnt complaining of any injury
Why is that so difficult for you to understand? Again maybe he was lying, but he didnt complain about his arm feeling dead until after the bullpen sessions.
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As someone who lives in NY....
the Yankees knew about Hughes’ arm. He’d been suffering from “dead arm” even in ST, and there was talks of his velocity being down the whole time.
I’m no expert, but I think they knew.
That didnt make the national media then
Because all you heard on ESPN and the MLB network was that he felt fine. It wasnt untill he had made a few starts that they started talking about the possiblilty of a dead arm, at least not nationally anyway.
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And this didn't make the national media either.
Not every case like this makes the national media, which is probably why you think no other team does this.
This kind of stuff happens ALL THE TIME with arm injuries. I cannot stress enough how unpredictable the shoulder is.
Wrong on the facts
A lot of pitchers have early season velocity problems. See Dempster, Ryan for a reference. Hughes wasnt complaining of any type of tightness or discomfort at first. The Yanks and Hughes thought he would work out of it. Once he began to feel discomfort, which was following the two bullpen sessions they shut him down got an MRI and flew him to a specialist all within a week.
Good try though.
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There is no comparison between Dempster's and Hughes' lack of velocity
Dempster was a little down. Hughes was WAY down.
Yes, some pitchers do have some issues early, but what was going on with Hughes was much worse than normal early season rustiness. There was something wrong with Hughes and they knew it in early April but the tried working him through it. Regardless, he didn’t see a specialist when they knew something might be wrong, It was weeks after. It was almost 2 weeks after they placed him on the DL.
And it was a good try on my part. It totally hit the mark.
by jerry morales rules on May 17, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
You better tell the Twins to put Liriano on the DL then
Because his velocity is way down too.
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Are you trlying to claim Liriano's velocity hasnt been down?
Because that is just a lie.
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I'm not claiming anything
I was just passing by, tripped, fell on my keyboard, and accidentally pasted a chart of Liriano’s fastball velocities over the course of his career.
By sheer coincidence, that chart appears to contradict your claim that his velocity is “way down”, seeing how his average fastball velocity this season is well within his career norms.
Not sure what you linked to because its not there,
but fangraphs did an artilce showing his velocity on his fastball to be down.
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You can't see the chart?
Huh.
Well at any rate, from Fangraphs’ own website here are Liriano’s average fastball velocities for his career:
2008 90.0
2009 91.5
2010 94.2
2011 92.1
Total 91.3
His velocity is down slightly from 2010, but higher than his career average. It is not “way down”.
This is BS
He was rehabbing from injury in 08 and 09. His two completely healthy years in his career have been 06 and 10 . 94.7 in 06 and 93.7 in 10. That is what you should compare his fastball to, not 2 seasons were he was rehabbing.
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Look at the distribution on the chart
his velocity this season is right in line with what he was throwing the last couple months of 2010.
Simple explanation
Maybe he got tired at the end of last year. That doesnt change the fact that his velocity to start this season is down significantly from his average velocity from the entire season of last year or from 06 the only two seasons he has been healthy.
And it also doesnt change the fact that it is a very common problem for pitchers to have trouble finding their velocity to start the season. Liriano may have been a bad example, because he doesnt seem to be getting any more on his fastball 6 weeks into the season. Maybe that is all he’s got left. We will see.
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You're changing the argument
When did I say that pitchers should go on the DL just because velocity is down?
by jerry morales rules on May 17, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
That seems to be your point about Hughes
Because again for the 1000th time, he wasnt complaining of any discomfort initially.
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My point about Hughes
was that the Yankees recognized at least 12 days before they sent him to a specialist that something was very wrong. 12 days is not immediately.
I’m not even saying that they Yankees did anything wrong in real time as this was playing out. However, they could have sent him to a specialist on April 16 when they put him on the DL,but they did not. 12 days is not immediate and that is my only point.
by jerry morales rules on May 17, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok
Ill concede the point that 12 days is not immediately.
As long as you concede the point that it is unacceptable that the Cubs have gone 6 weeks without a full idea of what is wrong with their future ace.
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And Hughes was touching low 90s in a start I saw him make
maybe the stadium gun was off, but the Yankee announcers were not talking about his lack of velocity, but his location in that game.
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He didn't see a specialist until 12 days after being placed on the DL.
The Yankees knew this was a serious situation on April 15 otherwise he wouldn’t have been put on the DL. I will give you that from April 3 (when it was identified that something was off) until April 15, they didn’t want to overreact. On April 15, though, they knew it was more than just regular early season rustiness and 12 days later he saw a specialist.
Your premise is wrong, you know it, and you can’t spin out of it.
by jerry morales rules on May 17, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
So what excuse do the Cubs have for waiting 6 weeks?
Thats a helluva lot longer than 12 days.
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Well, since we are changing the subject now
I don’t know what you are referring to. This is a second MRI. The first MRI was done the day after (Maybe 2?) after initial discomfort where they found no structural damage. This MRI, I presume, was not reviewed by Jim Hendry, but was actually reviewed by trained medical experts. Now that more discomfort is being felt, they are running through this a second time.
by jerry morales rules on May 17, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I think initially the Yanks put him on the DL
because of ineffectiveness sort of like what the Red Sox just did with Lackey.
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Larry Rothschild comments on April 8
“It is the arm strength, everything emanates from there,” New York pitching coach Larry Rothschild told ESPN.com. “There is no remedy. When strength comes back, it comes back. We have tried to lessen the work load in spring to try and get it. I think it is just going to come naturally.”
Phil Hughes comments on April 12:
“It’s obviously something to be worried about,‘’ Hughes said in the clubhouse Tuesday. "This is my job, my livelihood and I don’t have the stuff I know I’m capable of going out there with. It’s worrisome and it’s frustrating.’’
Does that sound like the Yankees are only concerned about ineffectiveness?
by jerry morales rules on May 17, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes that is exactly what it sounds like
It sounds like they thought he would work his way back to full strength. When he continued to get pounded they decided to shelf him to see if they could get him to work his way back without costing the team games. Then during that attempt he complained of the dead arm.
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Read Hughes' comments again.
He’s worried that something is wrong.
I have Hughes and Dempster on my fantasy team. The reason I write that is that I was monitoring both of these guys from the beginning of the season. Based on the information from quotes and other things that I was privy too, I realized that the Hughes situation was much worse than Dempster just based on what was and wasn’t being said. It resulted in a DL stint 3 days after the Hughes comments I listed.
by jerry morales rules on May 17, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree about Hughes' comment
but if you will notice he still is not saying anything about feeling discomfort or feeling injured. He didnt have his stuff and he didnt know why. I would think that if he felt discomfort it would have been a lot easier for him to accept that he didnt have his stuff.
With the benefit of hindsight, it is easy to say that you could see the differnce between Dempster and Hughes then. But the bottom line is that both of them like many MLB starters (Chris Carpenter is another who comes to mind) had trouble finding their velocity in the early season. Hughes said his arm felt fine, obviously there is some other problem there, but at the time the Yankees had really no choice but to trust the guy to be honest about how he felt and hope that he would work his way back into form.
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I "felt" at the time that the two situations were different
and that the Hughes situation was something serious. Many pitchers do have velocity issues early on in the season. Only some of those issues, the most serious, go on the DL for it. On April 15 the Yankees knew this was one of those situations.
I don’t think the Yankees necessarily did anything wrong, but my whole point is in relation to the idea that the Yankees sent him to a specialist immediately. They did not. It was 12 days after they recognized this was a somewhat serious situation.
by jerry morales rules on May 17, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
This sounds more like a repeat of the Tim Leary scenario than it does Wood/Prior...
No, not that Tim Leary…I’m referring to a 23-year old hard throwing right-hander on the 1981 Mets, destined to be the new Tom Seaver until he injured his shoulder during his big-league debut on a miserable Sunday in 40-degree early-April weather at Wrigley Field. IIRC, the Mets’ front office spent most of that strike-torn season giving hopeful status reports on Leary, and explaining why it made sense to give him that start in Chicago.
Leary never did recover for the Mets, although years later he did have a great season pitching for the ‘88 Dodgers toward the end of his mediocre career. Also, it should be noted that Mets’ manager Joe Torre and longtime pitching coach Rube Walker were fired at the end of the 1981 season, presumably in part for mishandling Leary’s development.
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I think this was handled well.
Cubs have done a lot of poor things the last 3 years, I don’t think this is one of them. Cashner was treated like fine china in the minor leagues. This isn’t a Wood/Prior issue.
May I ask...
what’s accomplished by informing the fans of the exact injury an the nature of said injury?
So they can make all their roster moves in Fantasy GM Land
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by RiskyBusiness on May 17, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that is the complaint
the complaints stem more from the “oh he’ll be back in three weeks” and then eight weeks later still saying “he’ll be in three weeks!”
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by Nunyabidness on May 17, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
According to 670 the Score
Cashner reaggrevated (SP) his shoulder. Shut down for 3 or 6 weeks, I couldn’t hear.
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