Cubs Come From Behind Twice, Defeat Marlins 7-5
by Al Yellon on May 18, 2011 9:37 PM CDT
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Before you read about all the details of Wednesday night's 7-5 Cubs win over the Marlins, let me say a few things about Tony Campana.
Besides the fact that he looks like he's about 16 years old (and I can't wait to see a photo of him standing next to Sean Marshall), he's got to be the fastest player in baseball today. Yes, faster than Michael Bourn, or Carl Crawford, or Rajai Davis. He got a tremendous jump on John Buck and stole second base easily after being slotted in for Alfonso Soriano as a pinch runner.
Now when is the last time the Cubs had a base stealer like that? Juan Pierre, I suppose, briefly; Eric Young, maybe, for a season, or maybe you have to go back to current Cubs 1B coach Bob Dernier. Campana is exactly the kind of guy you'd love to have on your bench if you were willing to go with a six-man bullpen (which I think the Cubs could do).
Then, Campana advanced to third on a sacrifice and scored even with the infield pulled in on a beautiful, fadeaway, headfirst slide underneath Buck's tag attempt.
I'm well aware of the things Campana lacks: no power at all, doesn't walk as much as you'd like a guy like this to walk, no size. But used properly, in certain roles, he's a real useful player to have on your team. And Mike Quade (not that he's reading this): Campana and Reed Johnson need split left field duties in Boston; with Soriano fully anchored as the DH for the three games. Let two guys who can actually play the outfield do that. Johnson, in particular, has significant experience at Fenway Park; he's played 36 career games there, 24 as a starter.
The best news about this game is that the Cubs came from behind twice in this game, first after Ryan Dempster gave up a home run to Hanley Ramirez in the first inning. They tied it up with a pair of singles and an infield out by Darwin Barney. Barney drove in another run with a sacrifice fly in the fifth after Koyie Hill doubled.
No, you did not read that wrong. Hill not only doubled, but had two other hits. No, I am not making this up.
Dempster got in trouble in the last of the fifth and gave up four runs and gave the Marlins the lead back, but the Cubs came right back and tied it up when Reed Johnson batted for Dempster and slammed a no-doubt-about-it two-run homer. Marlon Byrd's home run in the 8th gave the Cubs the lead and Campana's Excellent Adventure around the basepaths finished up the scoring. Carlos Marmol finished up for his ninth save.
And the Cubs didn't make any errors, either physical or mental (at least as far as I could tell on the latter), in this game. That counts for something, as does this win. Does it solve all this team's problems? Of course it doesn't, but it does show that the team hasn't checked out for the season, as well as showing that they can produce when needed.
One person who produced unnecessarily was a man who ran onto the field without clothes and began doing cartwheels in the outfield. This happened not long before the Cubs' rally gave them the lead. I'm not saying the two were connected, but...
Anyway, this win, which snapped a three-game losing streak dating back to last Saturday, means the Cubs have a shot at a sweep of this abbreviated two-game series Thursday evening. Why not?
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Is this the world record recap?
No errors!
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on May 18, 2011 9:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Not the world record.
I’ve posted a couple right after the last out. This one took about five minutes.
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At leasr this one had some positives
to write about.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on May 18, 2011 9:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Didn't watch the game.
But I’m glad to see my boy Koyie proving all the haters wrong. Been driving his bandwagon for years, and no, you doubters are not welcome.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Who do you think has been driving that bad boy all these years?
Captain Shoemile, that’s who. Also Al, please delete every post I’ve ever made that contained the words “Koyie,” “Hill,” or both prior to this thread.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Koyie is now hitting
.242/.306/.455 with seven runs scored.
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Small sample size notwithstanding
I’m pretty happy with a .761 OPS out of my backup catcher.
(And now he shall proceed to go 0-for-13.)
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on May 18, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
UNPOSSIBLE!!
I'm going to the 2012 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp!!! Who's with me?
by VegasCubFan on May 18, 2011 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
really shoe? didn't know you were a Koyie lover....someone has to....and that's cool....Cubs Win!!!!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on May 18, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I think I am actually the only one on BCB
that wanted him to start over Castillo. and people think I am so negative these days.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on May 18, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Well Al owes me that Big Gulp
Can’t say I thought he would hit, but the pitchers really do love him and I figured that was worth the bad bat.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on May 19, 2011 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Cubs are now 5-3 in games started by Hill
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for all of the grief
(especially over the $$$) Hill really isnt that terrible of a backup – especially when you have the choice of someone who knows 4/5ths of the staff and most of the bullpen over a rookie catcher or someone who has bounced from org to org over the past year.
The BP is good this year and the rotation is coming along…lately I have been giving Hendry less grief because I think he is a lot better than he has looked over the past couple of years…
Most of the grief had NOTHING to do with $$$.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 19, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I was throwing that in
as a side bar – and there was plenty of grief made about the $$$ – there are plenty of backups in the major leagues that similar to Hill – lacking in 2-3 of the 4 areas a catcher needs – but then again if they werent lacking then they would be starters
by hansman1982 on May 19, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
My family shut the game off for me when Demp started to lose it.
Could be because I started to lose it. Had to resort to the game threads for info. It was fun. Thanks you guys. Happy to get the dust off my W flag.
Fasten those seat belts...
I'm not sure Campana is faster than Bourn
Bourn is awfully fast. But Campana is certainly among the fastest five guys in the majors right now. I’d take him over Crawford these days. Not sure about Davis, since I haven’t seen him play in a while.
You were the one who wrote...
… that Campana was graded by at least one scout as “90” on the 20-80 scale for speed.
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That was a joke
It’s like saying “On a scale of 1-10, how hot is (insert name of hot actress)?” Answer: “She’s an 11!”
Bourn would probably get a 90 too in that case.
He’s certainly an 80 though. They don’t go to 90.
by Josh Timmers on May 18, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
What about 11? Do they go to 11?
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Jeff
was great tonight. A huge factor in the win !
by If we only had Hubbs on May 18, 2011 9:57 PM CDT reply actions
Let's give the Shark some props
He’s been pretty dominating this season. Yes, he still walks too many, but opposing batters are hitting something like .167. This is why the Cubs never gave up on him.
by Josh Timmers on May 18, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
He finally appears to have a third pitch.
Presuming he can now learn to consistently throw all three for strikes, he could be one of the better setup men in the league.
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Lovin on Hill AND Riggins?!?!
Obviously you don’t belong at BCB…
Well, I've been criticial of Riggins.
And this Shark stuff came out of nowhere, so in the interest of fairness, I’ll give him credit for it.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
I have no clue who to give credit to.
I just know I like seeing it, and if I see these sorts of improvements more consistently, I think we get these happier recaps more often. Seeing as how I’m in VA and can rarely watch a game, these recaps are my main source of info. Kinda scary.
I dont....
because I think he would talk to his protege more
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on May 18, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know much about Riggins still
But I think this is fair. A lot of people have jumped to conclusions on Riggins with some good reason, some misguided. But I think the jury is still out on him thus far.
We'll all miss you Ron.
Maybe it was hard work and perseverance on sharks part?
maybe it’s the hair!
The cutter gave Shark a pitch with late movement he could throw for a strike
When guys could sit on his fairly straight fastball, he was in trouble.
So, yeah, give Wood some props.
I blame Hendry
It’s his fault that Samardzija developed a third pitch.
by jerry morales rules on May 19, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
It is a much needed W
for the Club and each and every fan . A comeback win is always special . Oh I forgot where my W flag was I found it .
I love watching Barney play more and more every game
He know’s what his job is and he executes it. His sac fly today was a perfect example of this. A runner on third less than two outs, the hitters job is to hit to right field, allowing the runner to score. Knowing what needed to be done, he took a defensive swing and let the ball get deep in the zone and hit it away. If the rest of the ball club played to fundamentals like him, we would be a little higher in the standings, guarantee it.
by renocubfan on May 18, 2011 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I love what you're saying here and agree whole heartedly
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by cooliogirl47 on May 18, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a shame because he's undervalued in that regard
It’s a damn shame the rest of the team can’t play like him.
not by us!!!!....only by those that matter!
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by cooliogirl47 on May 18, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I was kinda surprised
That Hill actually scored on that sac fly, only because it looked pretty shallow. I was glad to be proven wrong on that one, though.
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on May 18, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Good win.
Now can we please be consistent? Seems like everytime we have a good win, we follow it up with a 5-0 loss the next day.
And Campana is exactly what this team needs, and is a perfect role player.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
Unique,
IMHO I dont think we can be consistent.
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by cooliogirl47 on May 18, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
CG- don't you mean you
think we can’t win consistantly??? Hmmmm? G’nite all. Nice to see Cubbies show signs of life!
I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".
jeff, Al, I would love, love, love to think and say that the Cubs will win consistantly....but alas, I cannot
you guys do it for me :D
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by cooliogirl47 on May 18, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Logic and the track record would say that.
But hey, we’re (real) Cub fans. We’re overly optimistic about everything with the Cubs.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
by Unique on May 18, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
True indeed
If we weren’t overly optimistic, we’d be fair-weather Sox Fans…or worse!
I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".
Make this green
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I don't know, Al
Campana has an OPS of 3.000… Sounds like power to me!
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by PacificCub on May 18, 2011 10:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Not enough time for that!
G’nite (again) peeps!
I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".
Campana reminds me...
a little bit of the excitement I had when Sam Fuld (I know, I know) was playing for Soriano. I will be the first one to say that I am probably bash Soriano more than I should, but man Campana has been a breath of fresh air, finally manufacturing some runs with that speed.
I know I should be happy the Cubs won.
But it can’t overcome this Bulls loss for me.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
You can dislike regular season NBA or dislike basketball. But if you like basketball you
have to love the NBA playoffs. The level of play is so much better than the missed three-pointer fest that the NCAA tournament has become that it isn’t funny.
Bulls 3-20 from 3 land, shoot 38%
Sounds like they brought their (NCA)A game tonight.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on May 19, 2011 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
aww I didnt know they lost....sorry :(
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by cooliogirl47 on May 18, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
that was
a hard loss. I thought they were gonna pull it off.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on May 19, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Very depressing for sure about the Bulls.
Really happy the Cubs won.
I don't always block shots, but when I do....I block yours.
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Stacey King
A much needed win.
I have let this team drive me into the sea of muck.
I thought down 5-3, here we go again. Reed drilled that pinch hit Homerun, that was sweet. Shark has been solid, a lot of baserunners, but this time around he gets out of his jams. Campana is fast. I would not have an issue if he gets Soriano every 8th inning.
Props to Hill, heavens know I have dogged him hard. Not only the 3 hits and runs, his bunt was good.
Now, Can Demp string some games together. And I hope Quade will give starts to Reed and Campana soon.
Win one, Lose one, Win one, Lose one... ::infinity::
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. -J.R.R. Tolkien
Al, you mentioned Campana is a great player if used correctly
I agree, and I’d say, I think the way he should be used is probably exactly how he is being used right now (at least in these next few weeks). I think he will, and should, get a spot start every once in a while, but I think the way to use him is to bring him in on the base paths for hopefully Soriano in the late innings, so we get speed and defense. Granted, Sori won’t always get on base in the late innings, so some other creativity would be needed to get him in… but I digress.
We'll all miss you Ron.
"Somebody" will almost always get on,
having speed on the bench gives the Cubs a whole different dynamic. In a close game that speed can make a huge difference, especially with a team that has such poor fundamentals on advancing a runner. Campana on the bench is a huge weapon and I like it. It was the only reason I saw in keeping Perez this spring.
Haha, I wonder if he's taller than Mike Fontenot
I know I’m taller than both
by braziliancubsfan on May 18, 2011 10:31 PM CDT reply actions
So apparently for the Cubs to win this year
I need to not watch the game…..this seems to be a trend this year
shoot your television.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on May 19, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
My only problem with Campana
Is he needs to learn how to wear his hat. That straight-brimmed, cocked to the left thing has to stop. Somebody take him aside and tell him this is the big leagues, not Pony league.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
+1
I was just about to type this. I’m not sure if it was intentional on his part or not, but every time I saw a shot of him talking to Listach I wanted to walk up to him and straighten his hat out for him.
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on May 18, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I know it is a get-off-my-lawn attitude...
… but I really hate it. Hated Pierre for doing it. Hated Abe Alvarez for doing it. It just looks bad.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
GET OFF MY LAWN
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on May 18, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
really?!?! you gots to be jackin' me man!!!!
lighten up…. he’s young and he’s cool, maybe it’s luck thing…do you want him to change that???
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by cooliogirl47 on May 18, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Starlin and Darwin are young
And they wear their hats straight. :)
(Or did I miss the /sarcasm?)
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
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by Rusty in Peoria on May 18, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
to each their own....I may be an oldie but goodie.,...but I would never want to deny young people their chance to
express their selves (sp) leave them be….I love the way they’re so different from the veterans. Let them do their own thing
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by cooliogirl47 on May 18, 2011 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I think freedom of expression is okay...
If a player wants to go out there wearing an earring or sporting a major tattoo or wearing a crazy necklace, that’s fine by me. There’s just something about wearing your hat crooked that seems… out of place. I mean, the brim’s there for a reason. :)
But, meh. He’s a young kid and in the majors; I’m pushing 40 and have a hard time catching a ball. Maybe I’m just getting crotchety…
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on May 18, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
haha.... the brims there for a reason....right you are....be wary tho. dont get crotchety
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by cooliogirl47 on May 18, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
He wears his hat
Like Juan Pierre. 2 sizes too big.
by Clark Addison on May 19, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
This particular conversation is making me laugh
because I have the exact same attitude about caps. I’ll be out and around and when I see a kid wearing a flat-brimmed cap with the New Era sticker still on the brim, I want to go over and take the tag off and fold the brim on the sides.
When it comes to wearing caps, I’m closer to Larry The Cable Guy than I am Ice Cube! :-)
He has to
they don’t make them that small.
by Josh Timmers on May 19, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe get him a little league hat.
One of the ones with the adjustable plastic thing on the back of the hat that eventually wears out after 4 or 5 times of adjusting it.
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on May 19, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
When this team has so many other issues to address
I think this particular one can slide. He can wear it inside out for all I care as long as he plays well.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 19, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I cocked my hat to the right
when I played in the field all through high school. It helped me see the field a little better. Never wore it like that casually though!
What will it take...
…to get Reed Johnson more playing time? Preferably in center. Offensively he’s produced as much as Byrd in a quarter of the AB’s. And he’s surely a touch better defensively, too.
Actually, his CF defense is a minus, despite the cool catches a few years back
He is hitting very well so far this season though.
by madcow256 on May 19, 2011 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That HR was a thing of beauty, as was MB's
I think he ran around the bases in about 2.7 seconds. The ball had barely landed in the stands and he was already rounding third!
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
This is actually about right
200-250 ABs a year is about the right amount to work Johnson in. He gets hurt or stale when he plays too much.
After the Bulls loss... looking at Cubs box score
I see the typical 2-11 RISP.
And I see Dempster hit Nolasco with a pitch. Seriously? That happened?
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I believe he had a 3-1 count and he decided to hit him
instead of walking him like his last AB.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on May 18, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
PS the Yankees game last night was wild including the O's last pitcher
being tossed in the 15th for hitting a Yankee in the head. The Yankee announcers were stunned because no one in their right mind could think the pitcher would deliberately hit the guy especially when they guy ( Gonzalez) has had epic control problems all year. The O’s had to use today’s starter and the Yankees had to put in A.J Burnett to run at 1st for the guy who had been hit in the head. Ugly but interesting for the baseball fan who thinks they have seen everything.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on May 19, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I understand that Hill
was ordered to report for a drug test tomorrow and bring his Sosa bat with him.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
by tharr on May 19, 2011 1:44 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm sorry everyone.
But I enjoy doing cartwheels! Great win and I work second shift so appreciate the comments and coverage.
Mark DeRosa
hurt his left wrist again tonight. He’s going on the DL and the general feeling in San Francisco is that his career might be over.
That's really a shame.
He’s 36, and at that age your career is going to start declining.
But to see it end the way it has, with the injuries? A sad end to a classy career.
His two best years were in a Cubs uniform.
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Wonder if he might be interested in coaching.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
DeRosa for bench coach
and Ryno for manager – get it right
by hansman1982 on May 19, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking he's more interested
in broadcasting.
by Josh Timmers on May 19, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
as much grief
as we give Hendry for blowing up the 08 team he did trade DeRosa at the height of his value and productivity
In hindsight, it does appear so.
I should point out that the hand and wrist injuries that have ruined DeRo’s career, might not have happened in a Cubs uniform.
Nevertheless, the Cubs now have Matt Garza, essentially, in return.
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Of course.
The Cubs could have used him in ’09, as Jessica says below.
But looking back, the Cubs did receive value in exchange.
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It would have been an OK trade if Miles had worked out
but not having DeRosa was a huge problem for the Cubs in 09. Also unlikely he would have hurt his wrist in the same way had he stayed. I don’t think it was a bad trade, but the Cubs were really messed up without a player with DeRosa’s versatility in 09 and much as I hate the phrase he was a clubhouse leader.
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by Doggie Stalker on May 19, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I think having DeRosa would have gotten us to the playoffs that year – provided he stayed healthy – but just another example of a risk (albeit a big one) that blew up in Hendry’s face after 08…
Ugh
missed all of this nearly, as well as the Bulls game. Glad to see the Cubs won though, and that Campana is a speed demon. Not so glad to see the Bulls loss.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 19, 2011 6:52 AM CDT reply actions
I loved the replay of Campana going home from the first base side
He was scoring before the batter had left the box.
That was awesome.
Reed Johnson.
Remember when the last roster spot was between Reed and Fernando Perez? The Cubs, rightly, took the guy whom they knew could come off the bench and get some hits. I wonder if Perez would have made the club had his defense not been so bad in Arizona, but regardless, Reed has been a big plus.
Also, props to Shark.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
yes on the Shark
his bb/9 rate is a bit too high and as a result so is his bb/k but if he can get that reigned in maybe we can see the reliever we saw in 08 (not that he is far off it right now)
Perez did not hit in ST either so he played himself out of contention
It was not a hard choice
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by Doggie Stalker on May 19, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I am elated that he did play himself off the Major League squad.
I thought he could play the Campana role all year. Reed loves the pinstripes and it’s a joy to see him play. Glad he turned it around.
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
I was rooting for him too
Nice guy but he does not seem to have much besides speed and a really good sense of humor. I went into ST thinking he was the better player and RJ would get the spot because he was a “vet”.
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by Doggie Stalker on May 19, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice win.
Love Barney’s clutchness (is that a word?) and the way Campana attacks the game. Lost in the W was another Soriano gaffe in left on that RBI single. If he comes up with it cleanly, he’s got a good shot at the runner, who was just hitting third base. The dude is a statue out there, and needs to DH all three games in Beantown.
Scott Bora$ is satan.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on May 19, 2011 8:40 AM CDT reply actions
It's "clutchiness" and he learned it from Ryno.
Barney is a capital S-T-U-D.
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Iron Pigs currently in first place
24-16 record, two games ahead of Scranton (Yankees).
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His team has no errors...
They win every game with a clutch hit in the bottom of the 9th (even when they’re playing away).
They’ve hired a special nutritionist to deal with the problem they’re unable to eat enough due to their increasing amount of guts.
Ryno has only had to argue one call because the umps make sure to look at him before they make a decision. The one ump who Ryno argued with held a special press conference and also wrote Ryno a letter to apologize. MiLB presented Ryno with a car the next game as an apology as well.
Ryno has repeatedly had to ask the Phillies not to fire Charlie Manuel to give him the job.
It was reported that Ryno has made Midas jealous because every time Ryno touches a players glove it turns to gold.
by bdlugz on May 19, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Nah
Leno would throw out all the good material and do another segment of “Jaywalking” instead.
by Josh Timmers on May 19, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
They’ve hired a special nutritionist to deal with the problem they’re unable to eat enough due to their increasing amount of guts.
This one made me LOL
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If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
It sounds like
HE IS THE MOST INTERESTING MINOR LEAGUE MANAGER IN THE WORLD
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
I'm almost starting to think he's doing these things on purpose
I just can’t believe he’s that bad in left field and it’s comical.
I can believe he's that bad.
He’s been getting steadily slower the last couple of years. Look at him running — he really can’t run at all any more.
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Has he gotten worse since the start of the season?
I have seen maybe 4 games on TV, the rest here and WGN Radio, so I don’t get to see much. It seemed his “legs”, as planting tools, were there early when he was driving the ball to all fields. He has been a liability in the field since ‘08/’09
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
Agreed.
Nowhere near the movement he usually has on his pitches, and the Marlins were jumping on the first pitch in that 4-run inning. I think his days of being a consistent #2 or #3 are behind him. He’ll still give us some good games, but not every five days.
Scott Bora$ is satan.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on May 19, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
He also walked the pitcher on 4 pitches
which I think is actually worse.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on May 19, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's hope for that after his next start.
One step at a time.
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As long as Shark can get 12 wins this year
let him have as high an ERA as he wants.
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
That is one of the biggest surprises for me this year
by Madison Cub Fan on May 19, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, the baseline expectations for him
Weren’t exactly stratospheric
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I hear ya...
…I was one of the main “Get Shark off this team” posters…and I am totally blown away how this guy has done a complete 180. He’s the best RH reliever, who’s NOT a closer, we have now. Gonna be some hard decisions in the off season on him…for whoever replaces Hendry.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981
Where are all the people that laughed at me for saying...
…Max/Beef/Hill were all basically the same player?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I don't think they are at all
Hill is the one who calls a good game and who the pitchers trust. I assume he would hit less than Beef but that it is worth it.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on May 19, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
No I'm not eating crow
He had a good game. I’m happy for him and the Cubs.
But does that mean I think he’s a good baseball player. Not at all. I still think he is a below average player & am curious what Beef can do behind the plate. Yes. I haven’t seen Beef play enough to have an opinion on who is better him or Hill.
But why when the Cubs/him actually did good would I complain about him? I will enjoy the win b/c there hasn’t been many come from behind games
by Madison Cub Fan on May 19, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I forgot /sarcasm on my "eating crow" comment.
I don’t see the need for a “Yeah, I was right” regarding the backup catcher. We all agree no one starts over Soto when healthy.
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
Also if I thought the Cubs one of the biggest reasons the Cubs are struggling
is there back up catcher……………….
I ’d be really really really happy
by Madison Cub Fan on May 19, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I never said he was a good player.
There’s a reason why those guys are backup catchers. So if the pitching staff feels comfortable throwing to Hill over beef, that’s good enough for me.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
They are all watching Beef
as he’s coached by Hill to just tag the frickin’ batter on a dropped third strike.
"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.
by RiskyBusiness on May 19, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
or dropping a perfect throw from Fukudome.
My argument was never that Hill was a good player.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
But that is ONE game we have seen him in
I tend to try not to judge a player on a SINGLE game.
But again if playing Hill vs a rookie who we don’t know how he’ll do… is in my top 3 complaints of the year. I’d be a really really happy girl.
by Madison Cub Fan on May 19, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Beef is to Hill, as Hill was to Soto
Like it or not, that appears to be Quade’s MO. He’s going to play his starting catcher a lot.
"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.
by RiskyBusiness on May 19, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Better than Campana's SB
Was his play at home. He got a great jump on the infield grounder and made a perfect slide to the back of the plate.
"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.
Will. Never. Make. An. Out.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Our staff ace has an ERA of 6.91. Awesome!!!!!!!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I'm sure he's just as annoyed about it as we are
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010) and Ron Santo (February 25, 1940-December 2, 2010).
If you disagree with me in any way, you are wrong.
You're delusional.
We all know he’s in the clubhouse doing his best Harry Caray impression about “Demp enjoying a Budweiser on the mound almost as much as me in the booth”
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
I agree with Ace
Sure, he is a clown too, but Dempster is a great competitor.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
gotcha
::blushes::
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
He said he was going to party with the streaker
Clothing optional. Well, better South Beach than Oak Street Beach last night.
"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.
by RiskyBusiness on May 19, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Have we had a Mark Riggins sighting this week?
Or is he still hiding somewhere in the dugout?
Meanwhile, Larry Roth has Freddy Garcia (3.22 ERA) and Bartolo Colon (3.16 ERA) pitching like champs in the AL East.
If we hired a real manager, Larry might have not left us.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Roths' reason seemed more personal than personnel.
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
It was personal and had nothing to do with Quade
He had a family issue and needed to be on the East Coast.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on May 19, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
So if the Cubs had hired Ryno instead
Roth would have stayed?
by Madison Cub Fan on May 19, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Served what?
French fries?
Or… more likely… cheese curds.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
No way Larry wants to coach along side Quade...
Hmmm…. Quade, or the Yankees? Let me think this through?
1 second later… decision made.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
but he would have Ryno
B/c Ryno would have been a real manager
by Madison Cub Fan on May 19, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
If Ryno wasn't going to get hired over Quade...
Then he wasn’t going to get hired at all.
Brenly wanted the job… Valentine wanted the job. Larry would’ve had a tougher decision, if he had the opportunity to coach with a veteran manager with WS experience.
Leaving the Cubs and Quade was no brainer. And now, our pitching staff has dropped from being consistently near the top in quality starts, to dead last…
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I don't think, IMO, the correlation between drop off in QS can be attributed to Rothschild leaving,
especially using Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia in different leagues. I, however, could be very very wrong.
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
What's the common demoninator?
Our pitching staff is largely made up of the same players as last year. When we were 1st overall in quality starts in the National League.
We have injuries in the back of the rotation, but the front of the rotation isn’t even close to their average career results from previous years. Losing your back two shouldn’t drop you from 1st to dead last in QS, if the other performances are consistent.
Plus, the defense isn’t entirely at fault, as the Cubs have allowed the second most earned runs (183) in the league. Only Houston is worse (204).
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Matt Garza
Nice try.
We replaced Lilly with a guy who threw a no-hitter last year, and was named MVP of the ALCS.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
We also paid Soriano $4 trillion to give us 10 straight 40/40 seasons...
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
How about losing two SPs to injury after (or during) their first starts?
Our pitching staff is largely made up of the same players as last year
Our entire pitching staff? Sure. The starters, who are the only ones who can record a QS, are not. Demp and Z are the only common denominators in the rotation. Demp appears to have aged, and Z is…still kinda Z. His good QS numbers last year came from the second half of the season. This time last year, we were asking (kinda seriously) if he should be moved to the ’pen.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I know the next line of reasoning from SackMan: But Garcia and Colon are old too Clutch!
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
I've already chimed in about that.
It hurts big time, but it shouldn’t make the difference from going from 1st to worst in QS. Maybe somewhere in the middle.
The fact that our #1 starter didn’t even record a quality start for the entire month of April hurts more than the loss of our #4 and #5 starters.
Demp has 3 QS (all in May)
Big Z has 4 QS
Garza has 5 QS
Coleman has just 1 QS.
Philly (30), Atlanta and LA (28) lead the league in QS. Cubs are dead last at 14. Even if we had a healthy Wells and Cashner, you could conservatively project 3 QS from each of them (even though Cashner is an unknown track record). That still puts us at 20 QS, tied with Houston for 14th out of 16.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Projecting does not prove your point.
Wells and Cash both threw QS in their 1 start this year.
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
Nice try...
We replaced Lilly with a guy who threw a no-hitter last year, and was named MVP of the ALCS.
We got a guy who threw a no-hitter last year because Ted Lilly made a call to the Tigers before the game and scared them into submission.
He won the MVP of the ALCS because Lilly touched his hand shortly before he took the field.
That's the only point I was trying to make, Thank You sir.
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
Lilly (4.83 ERA) has 3 QS this year.
Garza (3.72 ERA) has 5 quality starts.
So, there’s the difference so far… +2 for Garza.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
LAST YEAR! How many times did Lilly take a 2-0 deficit into the 7th inning? TOO MANY!
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
That's not the argument.
It’s NOW. We replaced Lilly with Garza for the 2011 rotation.
So far, Garza is out pitching Lilly. If we had Lilly instead, our team pitching stats would be even lower than what they are.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Ok.
You were stating the difference between 2011 staff QS and 2010 QS was the loss of Rothschild. I say compare Lilly 2010, Silva 2010 and Wells 2010, with Garza 2011, Coleman 2011 and Russell 2011 and boom goes the dynamite.
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
Also, stop if'ing, and'ing or but'ing all the moves that have ALREADY occurred.
Deal with what the Cubs have. Second-guessing is going to get you nowhere with this team. I mean we could have drafted Pujols in the 10th round of the draft…
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
It's called critical analysis.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
So Wells and Cashner would both have ERA's around 3.00 and not on the DL?
If they did happen to go down with an injury, we would called up Randy Johnson circa 2002 to fill in for them. Garza would be 6-0 with no fielding errors… If only Rothschild were here!
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
I saw Riggins last night!
It was like seeing the Northern Lights. Beautiful and awe-inspiring.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
He went out to the mound!
I had to rub my eyes a couple of times to be sure, but that ‘stache don’t lie.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
That 'stache really "ain't nothin' to f@#k with".
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
Is it like Chuck Norris' beard?
Does he have a fist hiding in it?
You can't see it flexing it's "biceps" and curling around his mouth?
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
I missed another win. Really happy
they won and hopefully I can watch at least some of their next game.
I need to apologize to Shark for all the names I called him when he made the team. He has proven me wrong and I’m glad he is doing so well.
I don't always block shots, but when I do....I block yours.
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