Cubs Lose To Rain, Mets 7-4
So let's talk about the rain, as if we haven't been doing this for most of the early season.
For the second time in as many homestands, the Cubs played through brutal conditions; the early-game weather wasn't quite as bad as it was May 14 when the Cubs hosted the Giants, when the entire game was played through a steady light rain and was only called when it got heavier.
Wednesday night, fog, mist, wind and drizzle blew off Lake Michigan for the first five innings. In timing that could have been called serendipitous, the rain started getting harder just as the last out of the bottom of the fifth inning was recorded. It was clear to anyone with a smartphone with radar capabilities in the remnants of Wrigley Field's crowd that the rain was only going to get harder and last for several hours.
The logical, smart, courteous and only thing to do was for the umpires to tell both benches at that time that they'd play one more inning and that would be it; the Cubs trailed 7-4 and that would have given them a chance to come back, essentially play the last of the sixth as if it were the last of the ninth.
But no. Soldiering on, they began the seventh inning. Groundskeepers came onto the field at one point, as if to put some dirt on the mound; it wasn't clear if they were telling umpires there was nothing they could do, or whether the umpires waved them off. One batter later, after Jose Reyes singled, the umpires finally had enough and stopped play.
That sent Mike Quade into the most animated tirade I've seen since he became manager. Later, he was quoted as saying that it wasn't raining any harder and they should have allowed the Cubs to bat in the bottom of the seventh. Having sat out there until they called it, I beg to differ with Mr. Quade. It was raining significantly harder by the time the seventh inning began and that inning never should have been started. Since the score was not tied, there was no call under current rules to suspend it; it was also pretty unlikely that the Cubs were going to score three or more runs in the last of the seventh.
Playing through conditions like this has become de rigueur since the fiasco at the fifth game of the 2008 World Series, in which Bud Selig let the players slog through conditions about as miserable as last night until the game was tied, which allowed him to suspend it. Before this, tie games that were official games (past five innings) were ruled as ties and had to be replayed from the beginning. Now, any game tied once it's become official must be suspended if there's a long rain delay and play cannot continue on the day the game was started.
This is a good idea -- but why not extend it to any game that's official, regardless of the score? This would have given the umpires the leeway to call the game and suspend it an inning earlier than they did. Instead, they likely feel pressure to continue to play unless there's a monsoon or severe weather, and indeed, lightning and thunder greeted fans as they exited.
Doing this is inconsiderate to the paying customer, but even more important, it risks injury to players. There's no way pitchers can get a proper grip on baseballs in conditions like that; catching popups looking up into heavy rain is an adventure.
MLB can't do anything about the weather. What it can do is put in place rules that take into account heavy rain and play only in the best possible conditions.
About the game itself, I have only this to say. Five times the Cubs have taken the lead in the first inning of a home game. They're 1-4 in those games. Overall the Cubs have had the lead after the first inning nine times this year and have outscored opponents 60-51 in the first inning; they're 3-6 in those games. There appears to be a complete inability to put opponents away; the 4-1 lead after one last night should have been enough. Casey Coleman was bad after that and has likely seen his last start for a while; I assume when Randy Wells is activated this weekend, Coleman will be sent back to Iowa. Or maybe it'll be Justin Berg, who was awful last night, throwing 12 pitches, all out of the strike zone. It wouldn't appear that Coleman would be too useful in the bullpen; perhaps Berg and Jeff Stevens can be swapped again, not that the last guy in the pen really matters that much.
Enough. And hey, guess what? It's raining again this morning in Chicago and it doesn't look like it's going anywhere for a while. Better they should call today's game early, rather than play in deplorable conditions yet again. Weather permitting, a pregame thread will post at 11:30 a.m. CDT.
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Forget Bubba, draft a pitcher who throws strikes
I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
The Philies had a position player get the win last night
for chrissakes’ – he threw freaking strikes and got 3 guys out.
Which is more than I can say for a significant portion of our pitching staff.
No. No. No.
In reference of calling up Stevens again. Give someone else a shot. Enough with giving these mediocre pitchers the shuttle back and forth to and from Wrigley.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
by Unique on May 26, 2011 7:19 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Who? Maybe Dolis?
No one should be untouchable on this roster unless his name is Eliot Ness...or Starlin Castro.
by cubzfan on May 26, 2011 7:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I wish I knew.
The Iowa staff is… not very good.
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Dolis, Carpenter, Gaub..
Give someone else a shot.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
Carpenter
Was actually recently, I believe, demoted to AA. Not sure on the exact date but I know he’s down there now.
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
I know that.
Still doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be a better option than Jeff Stevens.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
Stevens and Berg are the same weak pitcher....
I keep hearing about our farm system……how great it is……..Not in the pitching department.
I was just
Pointing out that he was pretty bad at Iowa too. I agree with your original point though, somebody else has to be better…I think.
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
I agree..
The whole Berg and Stevens shuttle isn’t working out for us. We need to give Gaub or one of the kids a shot. I’m guessing that it will either be Mateo or Stevens….
Not only should Berg, Stevens and Mateo be sent down, I think they are ready for release....
I do not understand why we keep pitchers like this around.
If we are so stocked in the farm system, why are they still around.
If they want arms for AAA, fine, keep them there.
Try to find a pitcher
at AAA or AA with a WHIP under 1.40 and less than 4.5 walks per 9 innings and you’ll find only 1 and he isn’t ready yet. Our minors are devoid of high level pitchers that are close to seeing Wrigley. That’s why we continue to see the parade of rag arms being shuffled back and forth.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
And I know Carpenter was struggling.
But Jeff Stevens isn’t lights out in Iowa either.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
Gaub was pretty bad in spring training.
Which is why he pitched himself off the team.
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Bang on Tim Wilken's door
Remember that minor league “depth” claimed earlier this season? It’s depth alright…a large swath of mediocre players who are not major league difference makers. That’s why Coleman, Stevens, Berg, Atkins, Mateo, Caridad, Gray, Schlitter….keep getting shuttled back and forth. This organization is littered with mediocrity up and down. Wilken is getting wayyyy too much of a pass here for assembling a pile of garbage throughout and organization that is “large market” at least by definition.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
um, wow
considering we traded 2 of our top 5 guys and another probably top 15-20 guy this year and remained at 18 shows you are WRONG.
We just have guys that are not yet ready for the big leagues.
Rankings
And those rankings get you what exactly? I don’t need Baseball America to tell me that this farm system is lacking. You might…but I don’t. And use trades as excuses if you want instead of the current state of affairs. It’s so “Cub” to do that.
There are some decent to good players in the farm systemt but few if any guys that are going to lead to a huge turnaround…which is what is needed for this franchise to become viable again. The talent is limited to decent to average major leaguers as their ceiling…not the All-Stars that this team sorely needs.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
and how many orgs
have built a championship team, solely, on guys from the farm system – I know of 1
And
I know of one that never will either.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
and I hope we never do
it took the Rays over a decade of suckitude being one of the worst teams in baseball to amass the minor league system that they have…
For all of your dismay about the minor leagues we have one guy that is our CF of the future and a lot of pretty good talent – also that same farm system has produced some pretty good players that are on the roster right now.
Two
There are two guys on this current roster that are even going to be around in five years. Castro and Barney. The rest just aren’t very good…and the pitching is in shambles.
If by CF of the future you mean Szczur…he’s a ways off. More likely you meant Jackson but he’s not going to be a CF. After that, what have you got in the system? A whole host of guys that might, emphasis on might, be decent to good players but exactly none that will be stars. That’s not a very good start. When you consider the pitching down there, it’s even worse.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
With any hope
Garza will be around in 5 years as well.
Well
I wouldn’t bet on it. I’d hope he could survive one year before working on two…then five.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
Let me get this straight...
Are you suggesting Matt Garza, who in the past five years has started the following number of games (the first three came between the minors and majors): 32, 31, 31, 32, 32, is fragile? You seem more of a pessimist than a realist.
And as far as five years down the road goes:
First off, projecting five years is a crap-shoot so good luck with guessing who will and who will not be on the roster. Not to mention you didn’t even hint at free agency, which is key because the roster will not be 25 homegrown players.
Secondly, of course there aren’t going to be many guys left. Including Byrd, there are eleven players that are 32 and older right now on the big league roster (obviously, ten are active). I don’t know what kind of team you want but I would prefer one without eleven 37+ year olds.
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
Well
First, you’re arguing both sides of the issue here. On one hand, you say projecting out five years is a crap shoot and on the other, you’re actually projecting Garza to be around in five years. Well, which is it? Either way, we can disagree on that.
I’m saying Garza is showing signs of wear with all of those starts. Is his current injury serious? Who knows. I do know that he already has a screw in his elbow. If he’s having more elbow trouble now…then yes, I would be pessimistic that he’ll be around in five years. If you don’t see that as a sign…that’s your choice.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
I think the whole...
Garza’s showing wear thing is a little overblown. I’ not too worried about anything around the elbow, and while bone bruises DO take a while to heal they’re not career killers.
What I was saying
I never projected him to be on the roster in five years. What I was getting at was: Given his last five years, where he made a normal amount of starts, why would he all of a sudden be questionable to make it through one or two years?
As far as elbow trouble, eh. I suppose it’s possible, but I’ll wait for him to hit the DL a couple more times before I come to the conclusion that the starts are wearing on him.
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
and when you look
at the roster right now it is a roster that was built to contend for the last 4 years – which is did in 3 out of the 4
this is a transitional roster, plain and simple
by hansman1982 on May 26, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
But a transition to what? More mediocrity? Setting aside free agency, which is even more of a crapshoot than the draft, my point is that ML system just isn’t very good. And even if it’s seen as better than average, please recall the last time the farm system was considered “loaded”…even better than the current system….in 2003.
Here are the guys looked upon during that “loaded” period. Andy Sisco, Felix Pie, Brendan Harris, Alfredo Francisco, Bobby Brownlie, Luke Hagerty, Justin Jones, Chadd Blasko, Matt Clanton, Billy Petrick, Hee Seop Choi, Angel Guzman, Nic Jackson, Francis Beltran, David Kelton….the list is endless.
Fact of the matter is that that group in 2003 was seen as better than what they have now…and that group ended up completely bereft of difference makers even with the trades that were made.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
They're prospects for a reason... they don't always turn out (SHOCKING I know).
You completely ignore that some of those crappy prospects actually netted us DLee, Ramirez, Loften, etc for those playoff runs.
So obviously some other teams bought into our crappy system as well.
We also got our best pitcher through our farm from a team that many people foolishly want us to emulate.
Emulating Tampa Bay
in any capacity other than having reached the World Series is asinine.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 26, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
You basically named the AAA team.
Which is horrible. Majority of our depth is in AA and high-A.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
I don't even feel bad calling you an idiot about this.
You’re completely short sighted regarding our farm and you pass some terrible misinformation regarding Wilken.
First of all, he’s only been around for 5 years, so the guy’s you’re complaining about weren’t even drafted by him for the most part.
Second of all, he’s had a great deal of success over the past 5 years in recognizing talent for our system. Our rookie, A, A+ and AA all have some high upside prospects mixed in with guys that are low floor, low ceiling types (such as Barney). You seem to know the farm well enough to know the people getting shuttled back and forth but don’t know nearly enough to have an educated discussion regarding our top prospects – which is dangerous when you think you do.
Go ahead
Drink the kool aid. Call me an idiot…whatever helps you out.
The same song and dance about Cubs prospects has been going on for decades. It will continue on for decades more. The reality is just as stated, there aren’t difference makers in this organization.
Believe what you want to believe…I’ll do the same. But make no mistake, I really could care less what you might think of my opinion. You want an educated discussion of the top prospects? Fine….none of them will be difference makers, how’s that? Good players? Sure. All-stars? No. How’s that?
Feel better now?
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
No, you're still making outlandish comments.
You’re making ridiculous blanket statements regarding our entire farm that you don’t even understand.
What the hell is Castro? He wont be an all-star? okay…
We’ve also got the advantage of being a large market team where you can pay for stars. You don’t need to develop 10 all stars through your farm.
Time to build a new stadium with a retractable roof
Or time to get some pitchers that can hold a 4-1 lead. Sigh…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Today's game looks questionable...
http://www.wunderground.com/sports/MLB/hometeam/Chicago:Cubs.html?st=1306419600
OTHO, they could play slip and slide on the tarp…
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Weather forecast
-Today: Showers likely, mainly before 1pm. Cloudy, with a high near 51. Breezy, with a north wind around 20 mph, with gusts as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible.
So it’s going to feel more like March 26th than May 26th. From looking at the radar it almost appears as if the rain has been sitting in place for the last hour.
If they decide to play today I have a hard time believing they break 10,000 in the park today.
If they call it they could move it to August 18th (though it would suck a ton for the Mets since that is their off day to travel back to NY after playing in SD) or move it to NY on September 8th before the two teams play their scheduled series.
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
August 18 would seem to be the best choice...
… even though the Mets are coming back from San Diego.
They wouldn’t move the game to NY on September 8. If they chose that date, they’d play in Chicago — it’s a Cubs home date.
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Yeah, I didn't they would
Move it, though it would make more logistical sense to do so.
At least with August 18th Chicago is on the way and the Cubs will be home for their series with the Cardinals.
The end of the year could be a complete mess if postponements continue to pile up.
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
I'm so hoping for an early rainout decision!!
The two hour (each way) commute to the game (that could be rained out before it starts like the Rockies one) is what’s getting to me more than the quality of play. Two ‘nice’ days out of the nine games I’ve been to so far this year – bleech!
by doofus cubs guy on May 26, 2011 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions
The horrible pitching depth should be the end of Hendry
last night was a total disgrace and I’m sure Quade would have gone off in the postgame if it happened right after he came off the field. He wouldn’t complain about the rain, but about the garbage pitching staff he has. A 4-1 lead with winds blowing in at 35 mph should have been more than enough needing only 15 more outs. Coleman and Berg were a complete debacle.
Ricketts says the farm system is in great shape, where? Tell me, please. This team is clearly headed for 90 plus losses and the disgrace of any type of pitching depth in the minors should be the end of the Jim Hendry era.
The farm is in pretty good shape
Read some of the minor league wrap-ups. Talent is there, just young still.
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
nope
if you are a ledge jumper your talking points are:
Quade Sucks
Riggins Moustache is Fake
Hendry Sucks
Our Farm System Sucks
Well
I don’t use the word “suck”, it’s juvenile…and I don’t consider myself a ledge jumper but rather a realist. And no matter what you see in minor league wrap-ups….this organization is NOT that talented. Perhaps some decent to good players will pop through in the next few years but currently, the talent level is not there to contend for anything other than mediocrity.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
well I dont call people juvenile
it is far to far beneath me to even stoop to that word, I am but a god amongst mere mortals on this site because I look hard at this team and grouse about everything I find because I am better than you…and apparaently I cannot understand buffoonery
You are right that this org doesnt have the slam dunk, Eric Hosmer/Bryce Harper type prospect (although B Jackson is close) but that is because we have spent the last 4 years picking in the bottom half of the 1st round whereas the orgs that are listed highly are more of the Royals/Rays types that consistently have picked in the top 5…for decades.
It seems most our talent is position players....The pitchers seem to get shelled quite often in the wrap ups.
I was going to alter my post
To point that out, but I believe it’s just been the Iowa pitchers (and maybe Peoria) that have been abysmal so far this season. I haven’t had a chance to look at the stats to confirm/deny that though
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
you need to remember that those pitchers are in the minors to work on pitches and develop properly
Stats for pitchers in the minors, especially low minors do not tell much of the story at all. You can’t look at them like you would an MLB team. You need to do research and read scouting reports to get a better understanding.
There are a lot of guys down there working on developing new pitches that do not throw them well yet, which is why they get shelled at times.
Clarity
I didn’t all anyone juvenile…I typed that the use of the word “suck” is juvenile. Further clarifying, I firmly believe the use of the word “suck” is juvenile and lazy when describing the performance of athletes competing.
Yes, I have opinions on this club and organization. We all do. Do I “grouse” about what I see? Absolutely. But you see that same product and if you somehow believe it isn’t a product to grouse about….top to bottom…we’ll agree to disagree. However, the product speaks for itself.
Your final point I agree with entirely. And that is the problem….you aren’t going to win unless you have elite players. You could put Colonel Sanders in the dugout and you’d still have a chance to win if you had elite players. My point is that this organization is not producing them and Tim Wilken and his scouts deserve as much blame as Hendry. Hendry gets thrown under the bus….and I’m clearly not defending him….but for some reason Wilken gets a pass with the familiar caveat that “the talent in the farm system is young and talented”.
I’ve heard that same mantra for over 30 years. With the exception of a year or two here or there….it has NEVER been accurate. We’re not talking about the Braves of the 90’s here….this farm system just isn’t very good and because of that, it is going to be extremely difficult for this laughingstock of a franchise to turn things around. And that pains me more than it should.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
The farm is young and talented...
the Cubs have a variety of pitchers with #2 and #3 potential – Whitenack, McNutt, Kirk, Simpson, etc…
The Cubs have a plethora of OF bats that cover every position – Ha, Szczur, Jackson, Golden, Bour, etc…
The Cubs have some very intriguing IF prospects – Flaherty, DJLM, Vitters
We have very strong depth at Catcher compared to other organizations.
You seem to forget that Wilken has only been around for 5 years. He’s had an average pick of 16.5 in those 5 years and almost NO type A free agents or even type B to use more early picks to help build talent fast.
He’s found very impressive sleepers in the 30th rounds and his 1st round picks of the last 5 years include 2 productive MLB players already, 1 top prospect, 1 former top prospect that is still quite young for AA and a high upside pitcher.
If you hate the team, that’s fine, go for it. But spreading this crap about the farm not being talented and claiming to understand how it works while blaming Wilken is, in your words, juvenile.
Tell you what
Those names you rattle off may as well be changed to guys like Atkins, Stevens, Gaub, Berg….those were the same types of guys a few years ago. Where is Carpenter in your list? He’s already proven he’s more of a RP than a SP and a few years ago he was listed as a No. 3 SP or better.
Golden? Seriously? He’s way too raw to even be considered. LeMahieu is a utility infielder at best and Vitters has light years to go before he’s even a .250 major league hitter…and yes, I’m aware he’s hitting .270 right now in AA. Catcher depth may as well be reserve for five Koyie Hill’s…none of them are good enough hitters to pass as MLB starters.
We’re getting off track. There is depth and there are some solid to good players. My argument is that the system is not talented enough for a large market team. Make no mistake, this game is won by elite talent….not average talent. If you don’t have elite talent, and my argument is that none of the guys in the Cubs are elite….you don’t win. Period.
If you find that elite talent in free agency or through trade…that’s a different story. But at this point in time, in five drafts, Wilken has assembled exactly zero elite players. ZERO. Consider that for a minute before defending him so.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
He's had exactly one high draft pick...
The elite can’t miss players don’t tend to go from pick 20 and beyond. Consider that for a second.
I'm not even going to bother discussing prospects with you...
Because you don’t seem to grasp the concept of what makes a prospect a prospect.
No, there is no Strasburg or Harper in our farm, but there are certainly all-star caliber players.
Have a good day, i’ve yet to enjoy a conversation i’ve found myself in with you.
That's a limited way of looking at it...
elite talents are usually obviously so and have been gone well before the Cubs pick.
The exception being Jason Heyward in '07...
when 13 other teams joined us in passing on him.
Haha
Riggins Moustache is Fake
I laughed, well played, haha.
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
I think he is in a witness program...That is why he does not come out of the dugout too often..
He is hiding from the “man”
That would explain
That terrible fake mustache he has…
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
Don't forget the all encompassing
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH talking point.
I laughed at Kaplan last night
Did anyone hear Kaplan during the rain delay on WGN? His call for was the Cubs not to spend any of the 40 million that come off the books and start completely over. Off course, he didn’t call for Hendry’s head. By the way, they better slash ticket prices 50 to 60% if that’s the route they go .No more sixty five or eighty dollar bleacher seats, please.
I'm always wary when someone wants a club to "start over"
Hendry hasn’t shown he can make good draft picks anyways. With Rule 5, it’s hard to just stockpile minor league talent, as it should be. A large market team should be spending every year like they can win it all. “Starting over” will be used as an excuse for a small payroll and bad baseball.
by salparadise23 on May 26, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
it is funny
how the good franchises can ‘start over’ and still be competitive in those years. An off year for the Patriots is still pretty darn good, even when they are “rebuilding.” The bottom line is that the Wells/Cashner injuries have been devastating this year, if they had been healthy you are looking at 5+ more wins which doesn’t make this a playoff team but at least makes them watchable.
by BeltwayCubsFan on May 26, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Just don't listen to David Kaplan, he's terrible.
He always comes up with these half-wit ideas, its his schtick, and its tired.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Judd makes my ears bleed
Kaplan just terrible. Both do horrid jobs @ post game.
by Madison Cub Fan on May 26, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree
Kaplan is the worst. It seems so obvious that he loves to come up with completely ridiculous ideas just to get attention. I have never heard him say ANYTHING of substance. How he manages to be a major presence on WGN and Comcast is beyond me.
by bluekoolaide on May 26, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I have to disagree with you
Judd is far worse. I don’t even think he likes baseball.
by Madison Cub Fan on May 26, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Baseball games are played in conditions nowadays that would have scrubbed them previously for one simple reason:
Money.
God forbid we postpone a game and make it up later as part of an honest to goodness doubleheader (not this day/night DH crap).
Squeeze every last penny out of the situation first- regardless of the cost (let alone comfort or convenience) to players, coaches, fans and employees. That sure seems to be the current thinking.
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
by Zeke on May 26, 2011 7:38 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Peter Gammons on Ramirez today
Peter Gammons on WSCR this morning, “I didn’t know Aramis Ramirez decided to retire this season.”
Enjoy your two million dollar buyout, Ramirez.
by MikeJW on May 26, 2011 7:39 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
not a big PG fan but
awesome comment!
by doofus cubs guy on May 26, 2011 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions
just out of curiosity
what do you have against andrew jackson?
"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth. Joe Garagiola
Ha!
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
He really doesn't look anything like...
the player he once was.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
I think this is overblown.
He is definitely declining, but it’s a little too early for these type of comments.
Looking at his splits, April and May have always been the worst two months of the season. Career wise, his top four OPS months are June, July, September, and August.
I agree that he has been a slow starter
but often times it is because of an injury – this year it just looks like he doesnt give a crap
That may be the case, but the fact of the matter is, his power has never been non-existent like this
That is the weirdest part. 2010 and 2009 he didn’t hit for much of an average but he still was hitting a few homers. He has NEVER been going into the final week of May with jut one home run
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 26, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Who should be hitting cleanup, TJ?
Darwin Barney?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Well he does have several more RBI......
Since this is team is so poorly put together we dont have a 3 or 4 hittier, I would put Johnson or Baker there when they are playing since they have actually been hitting in the clutch.
It is sad that it would come to that. But that is the team we have. Thanks Hendry and Ricketts!!!!
Well, el...compare their numbers...
Ramirez is playing to NOT get hurt. He knows he won’t be here next year. He’s gonna stay healthy at any cost so he can get that one last decent contract…probably as a DH in the A.L. for 3 years and $25M-$30M. For once I gotta agree with TJ. If Ramirez is the only option they have as a clean up hitter, then why do we even get concerned if this team doesn’t win? I’d sit his ass on the bench until he hopefully demanded a trade and waived his option kicking in. He’ll eventually start hitting for power…when the Cubs are 15 games out…and that, by my estimation, should be by the end of June.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981
you mean the Exxon Valdez?
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Research project for Al
Al, could you find out for us what’s the longest a big league team has gone w/o winning three straight to start a season? I wonder if some teams have never done it.
I'll see if I can find that out.
I know that no Cubs team has ever gone through a season without winning at least three in a row.
Even the two worst teams of the modern era — the 1962 Mets and 2003 Tigers — won that many in a row. The ’62 Mets did so twice; the 2003 Tigers won four in a row once.
This team is better than those two. I have to believe it’ll happen at some point.
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Today's game announcement from the Cubs
The Chicago Cubs regret to announce that due to weather conditions even we can’t convince the umpires to start today’s game between the Cubs and the New York Mets so it has been cancelled. While it could theoretically be made up in August. we have decided not to bother. Let’s face it, neither team is going anywhere and the game is meaningless. As compensation to those dumb enough to have bought a ticket. you may exchange your ticket for Friday, July 10 Vs Florida or Friday July 17 Vs Houston. These are wonderful summer games against bad teams so the Cubs might actually win. Of course the ticket prices for these games are significantly higher so you will have to pay the difference, but not to worry we have PLENTY of good seats left.
Your ever fan friendly Cubs Ticket Office.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on May 26, 2011 8:14 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I'm flying in to Midway tonight...
As I’ve often been accused of bringing the weather with me, I’ll do my best to make things better.
However, be careful what you wish for…the forecast high in DC today is 91.
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by Chris Dobbertean on May 26, 2011 8:15 AM CDT reply actions
I'll take it.
It has been brutally cold here in Chicago.
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I thought Russell pitched OK.
3 innings may be his max. Of course when you have been has bad as he has, it doesn’t take much to look better. Kidding aside, I think he can be serviceable as a back end reliever and maybe in a few years he can be a top lefty set up guy.
Heading to a Twins game this weekend. Going to punish myself with more bad baseball. I estimate in travel, hotel and tickets at least half the price of doing the same in Chicago with the Cubs.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
Right.
And threw strikes.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
He pitched well....Don't over extend him, like Quade likes to do.
Of course he has pitched A LOT over the last 5 days, so expect his DL stint to start soon….
But everybody knows he's a starting pitcher
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
I will prep the bandwagon.
Russell’s one of the few keepers we’ve seen this year.
Ya know something...
If a pitcher comes into a ballgame and walks the only 3 batters he faces…on 12 pitches…not only should he NOT be on this team in the morning, but, he should be given his outright release. Time to hold these guys accountable for incompetence. That was unacceptable for a Little League pitcher…let alone a MLB pitcher.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981
I was thinking DFA myself
And I don’t usually pick up the pitchfork at times like this.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Ed- as you are aware there is a ton of accountability in the Cubs organization
HAHAHAHA
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The elephant in the room...
Or in this case, the one in the GM’s office must be replaced. I have refrained from commenting on this blog because I am just beating a dead horse and upsetting fans of this GM. A stellar, aggressive and brilliant baseball mind with the skills to put together a championship team is critically needed on the North Side. Why wait till mid season to scramble? This should have been started at the Winter Meetings and completed at Spring Training. Why keep reaching into a weak farm system, like reaching into the cookie jar for stale treats? Start with a great owner dedicated to winning, then hire great baseball minds to scout talent and a GM to assemble! Look, he’s a nice man, but the Cubs MUST have the best baseball has to offer. We have seen enough and paid dues way too long. Sorry to offend all the Brady Bunch fans as well, but I see far more passion for marketing here than I do for baseball.
"Don't shed any tears. You think about this: Here I am, the grandson of a slave. And here the whole world was excited about whether I was going into the Hall of Fame or not. We've come a long ways." BUCK O'NEIL
by HotDogDude on May 26, 2011 9:30 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I am not saying Hendry should not go at the end of the season
but the Cubs have the best farm system they have had in years. Right now it does not have MLB ready pitchers, but not too many teams have pulled Casto & Barney up in the past year. Traded away 3 top prospects and still had a very good system.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on May 26, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, those two are gems- great point.
"Don't shed any tears. You think about this: Here I am, the grandson of a slave. And here the whole world was excited about whether I was going into the Hall of Fame or not. We've come a long ways." BUCK O'NEIL
by HotDogDude on May 26, 2011 9:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Still too early on Barney!
Let’s see what he looks like in September. I sure hope he keeps it up, but there have been others who looked good in May who never panned out, i.e. Patterson and others.
Passion for marketing.. I like that.
by Madison Cub Fan on May 26, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
You commented that perhaps Coleman will be sent down
this from the same team that continues to run Russell out as a starter? no way, Coleman will stay in the rotation because, much like Russell, to do anything else would admit the decision making process of this organization is WRONG WRONG WRONG.
I'm going to the 2012 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp!!! Who's with me?
Randy Wells is coming back.
Someone has to go. Makes sense that it would be Coleman.
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you are thinking like a logical person
does not apply to this team anymore
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But Garza is still on the DL,
so that leaves you with Z, Demp, Wells, Davis, and ???
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Oh.
Right. Well…
Russell or Coleman. And death is not an option.
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Maybe its time for the Cubs to look into Kevin Slowey.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
I gotta give kudos to Russell
For stepping in and doing his best. He’s not supposed to be out there, but we are mismanaging our entire team right now.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
totally agree with you sackman
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by VegasCubFan on May 26, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Coleman
Should go no matter whether anyone else is ready for the rotation. He’s quite simply not a major league pitcher.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
It would be really nice if the Cubs could build momentum.
Somebody posted the other day that over the past season-plus, the Cubs would lay an egg after a blowout win like Tuesday’s. Sure enough …
And it really comes down to talent. Casey Coleman appears to be a nice guy who could get $1.05 from a dollar’s worth of talent, but he’s not a major league starter.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Rain shortened games
IMHO, MLB games should NEVER end early… OR institute like a 10 run rule for ending early ONLY on account of weather… The last two rain-shortened games are games the Cubs could have won if we got our full 27 outs.
There was the post about luck a day or two ago… when you factor the luck of the weather in, we are really getting screwed here.
What gave you the idea that Cubs could have won last nights game?
by Madison Cub Fan on May 26, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Dang..
I can’t use a comment board… see below :-D
The last two rain-shortened games are games the Cubs could have won if we got our full 27 outs.
No guarantee of this. But it does show you that suspending games would be the right thing to do, not play through miserable conditions.
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this post have been out for a couple hours
And no:" they are millionaires they should be able to play in any weather" post.
by Madison Cub Fan on May 26, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Right.
It has nothing to do with “millionaires”. It has to do with being courteous to fans and avoiding injury.
Games like last night’s should have been suspended after five or six innings.
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I mean
We scored 4 runs in one inning and the mets scored 5… it’s entirely possible to string several singles together to tie the game. There are no certainties in baseball, that’s the one thing I DEFINITELY know about baseball.
That's true.
The way the Cubs played after the first inning, though, it didn’t look like they were going to score again.
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Well...
It’s the Mets for one.
And we still had Campana on the bench, so he’s good for a run.
And I still have hope. Shame on me :(
3 straight walk-in runs on twelve pitches
Just when I think these players can’t surprise and disappoint me more than they have, they find new ways to do it. I couldn’t believe it when I was reading it last night.
You can pay me
40 bucks an hour and I’ll go in there and throw you some strikes.
We are talking about Justin Berg here.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
What this team needs is a rainout...
I can get us a rainout
Thanks Crash
Best. Movie. Ever
I know sometime you win, sometime you lose and some time it rains
But they’ve tried the rain out, granted it did stop the Cubs from losing that specfic day it helped them.
by Madison Cub Fan on May 26, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Where is the best place to find out if there's a rainout?
I also have 1st base front row tickets (I have 2 extras but will sell all 4 if someone’s interested) but don’t want to go at all. I’ve only been to ONE nice weather game. Hot rain like the downpour a couple weeks ago isn’t so bad but freezing cold + rain + wind = miserable.
by cubsonWGN4ever on May 26, 2011 11:05 AM CDT reply actions
Coleman can't put two good performances together
It’s really disappointing
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
This TEAM can't put two good performances together.
It’s really disappointing.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 26, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
This blog can't put two good comments together
It’s really disappointing.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Just a couple of points
(1) When the Cubs are bad, the social fabric here at BCB frays faster than Casey Coleman can walk batters. Folks, it’s the Cubs that are bad, not your fellow, long-suffering fellow Cubs fans. Don’t flame your fellow BCBers; flame the wretched ball team.
(2) A guy leave Chicago for a couple of decades and the city stops having summer? It’s in the 80s in Fairbanks, Alaska today. What’s happened to Chicago’s hot, steamy summers?
AlaskaFan
"Year after year after year after year . . . . . after year after year after year . . ." - Steve Goodman, "Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
I'm starting to wonder if global warming....
has an evil twin called midwest cooling
by Madison Cub Fan on May 26, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
You are SO behind the times...it's CLIMATE CHANGE...
it’s the answer for both cooling AND warming. Like Shimmer, it’s a floor wax AND a dessert topping!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 26, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
When I was in grammar school
they told us the next Ice Age was coming. As a six or seven year old I was terrified. I thought they meant in the next couple years,
Fasten those seat belts...
the funny part is
the USDA released a study last year saying that global warming was responsible for bigger crops and better growing conditions – thereby cooling the region because of the increase in water being evaporated from the plants…

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