Weather Warms Up Bats At Wrigley Field; Unfortunately, Wrong Team's Bats. Cubs Lose 12-7
All throughout this wet, misty and cold spring, we heard this mantra from Cubs players and coaches: "Just wait until it warms up -- we'll get our bats going then!"
Monday dawned warm and somewhat sticky with the wind blowing out strongly toward center field at Wrigley Field. And just as predicted, bats heated up... the Houston Astros' bats. Did the teams switch uniforms under those awful ice-cream man caps (I kept getting cravings for a Cold Stone Creamery cone) they were forced to wear today? The Astros had one of the league's worst offenses and pitching staffs; instead, their bullpen shut the Cubs down for five innings, giving up just one run, while their hitters scored nine (virtually) unanswered runs and defeated the Cubs 12-7.
Let's count up the horrific numbers. The Astros scored a season-high 12 runs, breaking their previous season high by one. Guess who that 11-run outburst was against? That's right, the Cubs on April 12 in Houston. They hit four home runs, a season high and before today's game, they had only 29 home runs for the entire season. The Cubs, with one homer from Carlos Pena, have now been outhomered 29-16 at Wrigley Field.
And worst of all, the Astros scored more runs today (12) than they scored in their entire weekend series, where they were swept by the Diamondbacks (11).
Rodrigo Lopez did all right for a while, throwing four decent innings while the Cubs fashioned a 6-3 lead with Pena's home run and some triples (Darwin Barney and Blake DeWitt), along with four stolen bases from Tony Campana. Campana's five steals now is tied for the team lead with Starlin Castro (who also had one today) -- and Campana has played in only 11 games.
DeWitt was in the game in left field because Alfonso Soriano pulled up with a sore quad after grounding to third to end the first inning. He's undergone an MRI; there are no results available until tomorrow, but it's likely he's headed to the DL. Now, Brad Snyder was just called up. Why is DeWitt in the outfield? Again, Mike Quade: this isn't extended spring training! You've got a spare outfielder on the team and a situation that calls for him -- USE HIM! If the Cubs are going to call up half the Iowa squad because of injuries -- GIVE THEM PLAYING TIME! Otherwise you're playing with a 22 or 23 man roster; also, this appears to be repeating the Lou Piniella "got to give the vets their playing time" thing that I and others criticized for the last couple of years.
DeWitt did make a nice throw to nail Carlos Lee at the plate in the seventh inning that kept the score only 8-6 Houston. But on the very next play, a single to left from Chris Johnson, he slipped and kicked the ball off the pads on the left field side wall. That allowed another run to score.
Seriously, Blake DeWitt should not be playing the outfield. Ever. And if Soriano does go on the DL, bring up Brett Jackson and let him play. At this point, it appears the season is headed quickly down the drain -- might as well get your best prospect here and get him some real playing time, instead of playing Snyder, a 29-year-old AAAA player. I'm not sure if Jackson is 100% yet and ready to play, but it is pointless to waste major league time on DeWitt or Snyder in left field on a full-time basis.
DJ LeMahieu made his major league debut as a pinch-hitter in the eighth and hit into a double play. Playing time for LeMahieu is a little bit more problematic; who are you going to bench, Castro or Darwin Barney? At times, I wonder about this managerial and coaching staff, which collectively has little experience; the most experienced coach on the staff is Lester Strode, the bullpen coach. That isn't good. Mike Quade should probably have hired a former major league manager as bench coach; Pat Listach doesn't have that experience, which would have been invaluable at the major league level to a rookie manager.
What more can you say? Scott Maine is proving that he doesn't belong at this level, either; he took a three-run deficit and let Jeff Keppinger blast it to a six-run hole with a three-run homer. It might have been more, except Barney, Pena and Castro turned over a slick double play to end the top of the ninth.
There were 30,450 tickets sold to today's game, and there didn't appear to be many (if any) no-shows from that total. That's a real warning sign on a beautiful day -- to go more than 10,000 under capacity. If the losing keeps up, this is going to become a flood.
There is one more thing I need to mention here before ending this recap. The behavior in the game threads today was unacceptable. I don't care who started it or who is "to blame". Every single poster here deserves respect from others. We are all frustrated with the play of this team. That does not give you the right to call names, use profanity toward others, or personally attack anyone. No names are being named here, nor is anyone being called out specifically. This goes for every single person on this site, each and every one of you, myself included, and I haven't always lived up to that myself.
So take a deep breath, please, and if you disagree with someone, keep it civil. Remember this from the community guidelines:
When posting at this blog, please follow this one simple rule: Before hitting "post" to post your remarks, ask yourself: "Would I be embarrassed to say this in front of strangers who were physically present in the room with me and could respond to my face?" If the answer is "yes," then don't post.
Simple, really, and if you cannot follow this simple guideline, there will be consequences.
Finally, nice to see BCB'er SackMan, who sat with us in the LF bleachers today. It was a beautiful day. Wish it had been a better game. Maybe tomorrow.
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It's getting real old,
the errors, pitching, injuries, lack of hitting and everything else you want to throw in. If it can go wrong it can. I’m about ready for a clean house attitude and start all over.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on May 30, 2011 5:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
FTFY
“If it can go wrong it can (and it will).”
I’ve never seen Murphy’s Law have it out for a team like it has had for the Cubs this year.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 30, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
You can say injuries are an excuse, but I think in this case it’s a pretty good one. It didn’t help that Dempster got off to a bad start, although he’s been looking good lately.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
God forbid if Barney or Castro get hurt.....
by BadDecisions on May 30, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
What? are we going to get worse?
This team is headed down the toilet.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
This team was bad before the injuries
But I’m not remotely surprised you took this tact.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not remotely surprised
you took your tact, either.
And that’s the last either of us should say about it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Injuries really hurt the rotation.
But Pena/Ramirez/Soriano all needed big years for this team to be good. Byrd’s only been gone nine days, and Soto was pretty mediocre before he got hurt.
The offense hasn’t been good enough, regardless of injuries.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on May 30, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And the rotation, along with the bullpen,
was considered a strength.
Now the offense is ailing, too.
The team wasn’t “bad” before the injuries, but now there’s simply no wiggle room.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes. It was.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, it wasn't good.
But, really, the injuries started after Game 5 of the season. So would the team have been mediocre with Wells and Cashner for the past couple months, or would it have been above-.500?
With the way the lineup has performed and with the inconsistent performances from the other starters … my guess is that .500 would have been the best we could have hoped for.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
.500 would have been the ABSOLUTE best we could have hoped for.
Would Wells and Cashner had been as bad as Russell, Coleman et, al? Probably not, but neither would they have been the saviors of the franchise. These are the 4 and 5 starters we’re talking about.
Yeah, they probably would have been an improvement over what we’ve seen, but enough to go from a bad baseball team to one that should allow Hendry to keep his job? I doubt it.
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by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I do, too.
But .500 and a playoff-like year (which is what I would require from Hendry) are two different things.
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Well, like I said, at BEST this would finish .500
if healthy. I don’t think we have the actual talent to get there.
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by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
But the offense wasn't really ailing for most of the first two months, other than Soto.
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No, but the starting pitching was
and with 40 to 60 percent of it gone ….
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Of course, it was the bottom two-fifths.
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True
And the top two-fifths didn’t perform the way it was expected.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Right. But that's not injury related.
I don’t think we really disagree. I’m just saying that injuries aren’t the only reason this team hasn’t been good — which means it wouldn’t necessarily be good if not for the injuries.
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Excuses, excuses
Who knows whether Cashner was any good. He was their 5th starter. Johnson and Baker are subs. This team sucked on opening day and it sucks even worse now. The Cards are without Wainwright and Freese. Injuries are a smoke screen. The Brewers were without Greinke, Hart and Lucroy for part of the season and they are better than the Cubs. The Reds have been at times without Cueto, Bailey, Rolen. Injuries happen.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
by rlpete on May 30, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec for the Cashner comment
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on May 30, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Tend to agree...
…and I will also add, it’s no guarantee that Wells is a legit starting pitcher in the bigs as well.
Injuries happen and all you have to do is look within Central and all the injuries the Cards have suffered over the years to see it can be overcome with the right roster and leadership.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
You kinda proved my point
The Brewers have gotten better only since those guys came back. THe Reds haven’t been doing as well without those guys.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Well then the Cubs should of been better in April
but they weren’t.
I understand the injuries have been tough but blaming injuries when some of them have been to bench players and the back-end of the rotation is a bit of a smoke screen to the real issue that the team is not very good.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Cashner was a 5th starter only in order of when he pitched.
He had, and still has, the potential to be a TOR starter.
Yes, and there is no guarantee he would have reached that potential this year
Which was the OP’s point
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Funny you claim it's the OPs point
When I took it exactly the opposite. This quote kinda gives that away:
Who knows whether Cashner was any good.
Doesn’t mean – He’s got TOR stuff but may not live up to it. It sounds like they expected him to have 5th in the rotation stuff and may not even be good at that spot.
Or....they don't know whether he would be very good this year
You go ahead and play the semantics game all you want. The point was we have no idea what we would have gotten from Cashner this year.
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by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not playing semantics - nice try though.
I found it funny that you responded to the OP claiming to know his intentions and carrying on the argument, even though you know no better than I what was intended.
Thanks for the laugh though.
Holy crap
what does it matter? You can argue that Cashner is a TOR starter. I can argue that he might have imploded for the next five starts and then been incredibly mediocre after that.
Does it make you feel any better if I say MY point is that we don’t know what we would have gotten with Cashner?
FFS
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
All I argued is that his STUFF is good enough for TOR
Do you know what projecting is for pitchers? Holy crap.
I'm done.
If that’s all you were saying, then you’re arguing for no effing reason. Because you were basically agreeing with me but choosing to bark and yip about whether or not the OP was saying it right.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
What the hell did you think I was saying?!
my entire post literally said the following:
He had, and still has, the potential to be a TOR starter.
You’re the one that started arguing! I’m honestly confused as hell right now.
Agreed.
We weren’t bad, but we weren’t good…We were average. When Russell spots the other team 5 runs in the first innings, it sorta takes the wind outta your team..
by BadDecisions on May 30, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
What the H?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 30, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
If we weren't bad
then what the crap were we? Misunderstood?
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by Craig in South Bend on May 30, 2011 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
Especially injuries to the starting pitching rotation.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 30, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
agree
you simply cannot win games with one of the worst fielding percentages in baseball. no stability either at really any positions except up the middle. I’m not even excited about the offense either considering houston has one of the worst ERAs in the MLB and 7 runs against that crap is nothing to write home about
by columbusOHcubsfan on May 30, 2011 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
The ironic and pathetic thing
during this three-year fall is that I am sure teams now look at the Cubs as the cake-walk part of their schedules.
For those of you who have been thinking, “The Cubs should do fine when they get to the likes of Houston, Pittsburgh, xxx…”
Forget it. The Cubs are one of those teams!
What an embarrassment!
I said 75 wins before the season starts. Ha!
by The E-Man on May 30, 2011 6:00 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Al
you are right on the money, let’s call up an OF and then put DeWitt in LF. What is wrong with this team’s management?
I'm going to the 2012 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp!!! Who's with me?
I put that one on Quade.
When the Cubs make the right roster move and then put an IF in the OF, this is on the manager.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 30, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
That decision is, yes.
Mindbogglingly stupid.
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These injuries are brutal.
I just hope they don’t give Ricketts the out he needs to stand pat.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
2011 might end up being a failure
Not because the team went nowhere but because the reasons accepted by management for said result.
Injuries
have been unbelievable so far. What do they have, 7 or 8 guys on the roster right now who weren’t there when they broke spring training? Maine, Lopez, Campana, Snyder, Coleman, LaMahieu, Davis. Probably missing others.
Coleman's not there right now.
But the way things are going, he might be back soon.
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He does have more upside than either Davis or Lopez.
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I have more upside than Davis or Lopez
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by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Been a bit surprised by Coleman
I thought he would perform better than he has. I certainly don’t think he’s any worse of an option than Davis or Lopez.
I think Coleman has potential to be
a perfectly serviceable fourth or fifth starter.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
He's got to improve his command first.
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Right
That’s the key. If he does that, he’ll be all right.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
And if he suddenly develops better stuff when he IS throwing strikes
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh.
Guys can get hitters out with 84-87 MPH fastballs if they can locate them and their offspeed stuff better. Coleman hasn’t done this.
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This is way too many ifs
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by Craig in South Bend on May 30, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Location needs to be almost perfect if you're throwing 84 MPH
Coleman would have to get A LOT better
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
holy...
Wow. You’re clearly seeing something I’m not
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by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
A fourth starter?
Not on a good team. His upside is a right-handed Glendon Rusch trying to be Greg Maddux.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Like Al pointed out,
he needs to improve his command. If he does that, he’s got a shot.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he has enough raw stuff to be a No. 4 on a good team.
Fifth starter/swing man? Possibly.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Got it
I probably overstated it by throwing the No. 4 in there. No. 5 is more realistic.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope he'll do so.
Unfortunately, he’ll probably get better only if he goes to a different MLB team, with better coaches.
It's stuff like this
that makes me want to throw my computer out the window.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
They have been.
The point I hope Ricketts keeps in mind is that we weren’t a particularly good team BEFORE we got snakebit
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Disappointing finish
after such a great start today. The Astros pen throws goose eggs at us with the wind blowing out until we score a meaningless run in the 9th . Their hitters sure took advantage of it. I think the Cubs went two innings without hitting a ball out of the infield.
I agree on Dewitt; even though he had a nice game at the plate why wouldn’t you put an actual outfielder in the game when Soriano went down? Quade’s moves are puzzling at times. If Soriano goes out we are going to be essentially playing with a minor league outfield.
One bright spot is Campana; I don’t know if he has what it takes to stick around, but he is really showing everyone how valuable speed can be. Beating out infield hits, stealing bases, so very un-Cub like. It’s fun to watch. Sadly the rest of the team isn’t so much fun to watch this year.
I like the little guy!
He and Darwin Barney are this season’s bright spots.
Honestly, I don't know.
Fire everyone now? What’s the point?
At the end of the season, it may be housecleaning time. Let’s see if they can at least play somewhat better baseball for a couple months.
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I would settle for better fundamentals
and more inspired play. Yes Quade, this means you don’t play an IF in the outfield. So please, PLEASE, start someone else in LF. Thank you.
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I haven’t decided that yet.
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It has very little to do with blame...
and everything to do with getting this team closer to contention, regardless of who they have to fire or retain.
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by jameslcrockett on May 30, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not one of those people who sits around assigning blame.
There’s plenty to go around, and what’s the point? The satisfaction of saying “Told ya so”?
Just fix it.
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The problem is...
…they don’t have the right leadership at the top to fix it and I think that has to be becoming clearer and clearer as each week, month and year goes on.
If the Cubs were a strong baseball organization, they should be able to navigate through tough times without the wheels coming off, just as other top organizations have done. A club with the resources the Cubs have, should never have as many non-competitive years as they have had in the last 10.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
So you have no idea who to blame but "somebody" should fix it?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Seriously..
… what difference does it make who is to blame? So you can carry a body out with the torches and pitchforks mob and burn it at the stake?
Just fix the damn problems.
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It doesn't matter who we THINK is to blame
What does matter is who is to blame, and is that person going to be allowed to remain in a position to do the same thing next year?
by Shanghai Badger on May 31, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, since this is a discussion board, there's probably going to be discussion
on who should be blamed and how we fix the problem.
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by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
This defense of all things Cub Front Office related is a new game for you now isn't it?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it is even blame at this point
it is simply an inability to produce on the field. Sure chumming the waters for relievers is unwise, but the Cubs system is not churning out anything worthwhile at the Major league level.
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Judging on behalf of the comments here
We as fans here still care. But the coaches, players, and management seem to be half-assing is through this thing, injuries be damned, and I find this very frustrating!.
At this point, I'm willing to extend the benefit of doubt
And say that Quade is not “half assing it.” I believe that this is genuinely his philosophy. DeWitt has “talent,” he’s not going to get a chance at playing IF, so Quade wants to develop him into an OF spot. Russell has “talent,” why not try to develop him into a SP? The issue is that the moves aren’t appropriate at this situation. But I’m willing to believe that Quade deliberately makes these moves in an effort to “develop” players.
by Danwood on May 30, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is probably what Quade spent his entire career doing
As a minor league manager. Fiddle with things and hope to catch enough lightning to help the big league ballclub.
The problem is that most fans don’t want to see this fiddling. They want it to happen in ST or AAA.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Right.
There’s the issue — we have a manager who really doesn’t understand his job. “Developing players” is something you do as a minor league manager, which Quade was for many years, and from all reports did that well.
He’s not a minor league manager any more, but he doesn’t seem to get that.
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Here's the problem with that
Blake DeWitt doesn’t have anything close to the tools to actually BE a corner outfielder. He’s not a particularly good hitting middle infielder. Why in the HELL would you try to develop him into a corner outfielder?
James Russell doesn’t have the tools to be a starting pitcher. Everyone but Quade and Hendry can see that.
You would think a manager who has been in the minors for so long would be able to see when a player simply doesn’t fit into the role you want him to develop into.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE AT ANY OTHER LEVEL THAT CAN DO BETTER.
But don’t try and use this argument as a basis for bashing the organization, because we don’t need to “blame” anyone.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I think its obvious...
…you have to look at the guy who puts the roster together, hires the manager, the coaches and oversees the whole organization.
It all starts at the top!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Even if it didn't start at the top
American business is run this way. Even if the GM makes the right decisions, if the players don’t perform then eventually the GM gets fired.
With the possibility of both an NFL and an NBA work stoppage, I think that it’s likely that Ricketts will have no choice but to fire Hendry during the season if the team hits the 120 game mark with less than 53 or 54 wins.
The empty seats will demand it. Last time, the Tribune let Hendry throw Dusty to the empty seats. This time, he doesn’t have that option.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Managers are different...
…and I don’t see Hendry getting canned during the season.
It takes time to find these people and you don’t put Randy Bush in there as interim either (because he is Hendry’s pal), and that would be ackward. You wait until the season is over, but Ricketts needs to be thinking about a leader for the baseball organization starting about 18 months ago.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
The August and September home schedule is pretty brutal
All the big draws are in the first four months. The home season ends up with the following eight series:
August: CIN weekend,. WAS weekday, STL weekend, ATL weekday
September: PIT weekend, CIN weekday, HOU weekend, MIL weekday
Other than the Cardinals series, they may average less than 22k/game actually in the stands for those other seven series, especially if the Brewers are out of it.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I can see that happening
If Ricketts thinks it will put butts in the seats. By now he has to realize he has a fanbase on the verge of mutiny. Kennedy & Hendry may both be sacrificed to quell the uprising.
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by cub in louies nest on May 30, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
*Kenney
I have PMS & a GPS -- which means -- I am a bitch, and I will find you.
by cub in louies nest on May 30, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
A new GM...
…Midseason won’t put fans in the seats, IMO.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I'd fire him midseason, put Bush or whoever in there, and then hire an outside firm as a search committee
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
No one wants a change...
…at the top more than me, but I just don’t see the benefit of doing it midseason.
If Ricketts is proactive in anyway, he should already have names in mind and be ready to pounce right after the season.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
But what is the business reason for doing so at midseason?
I get the “it feels good to fire the idiot” part. But what actually gets solved by doing it at midseason?
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I have two thoughts on it.
One, I don’t want Hendry making deals at the deadline to save his job. Two, perhaps allowing more time for a search committee would be beneficial.
These aren’t rock solid reasons by any stretch, but just my opinion at the moment. I understand wanting to wait until the end of the season.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Trade deadline concerns...
…are legit, but you have already let the guy hire his 3rd manager this year, sign Pena and trade a bunch of prospects for Garza, so you probably let him do whatever at the deadline.
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Because mid-season is when the fire sale will happen
Who do you want putting tags on the damaged merchandise, a short-timer or someone who actually has the job beyond the next 48 hours?
Your litmus question is:
When do I need a management structure in place in order to compete for players in Free Agency. Also, some creedance should be given to the Free Agency class and your needs. If it all lines up to be an important time for your organization, maybe you want everyone in place before season’s end.
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by TheRiot Police on May 31, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he should be let go before his contract is up (2012).
But I dunno what midseason does besides give more way to a free falling 2011. With money off the books after this season and even more coming off in 2012, I’m fine with letting Jimbo ride out this year and letting the two sides part ways afterwards.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Well, another concern for me is that this team needs a new president as well.
With such a big offseason coming up, I worry that hiring a new president who will then have to hire a new GM might be too quick of a turnaround.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
It's never to early...
…for Ricketts to announce he is hiring a President of Baseball Operations to oversee Hendry and his team. He could do that tomorrow if he wanted to.
At the end of the year, you let the new prez fire Hendry and bring in his own guy he already had inline before he took the cubs gig.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
That's a good point.
I’d be in favor of that.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Me too and its disheartening that it hasn't happened
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like a hall monitor to me.
“Alright, you’re in charge, but really, I’m in charge of making sure you don’t screw up.”
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Doesn't mean the team wouldn't be better off if they did.
The Seattle Mariners canned their hapless GM before the trading deadline and turned it over to someone else to make the decisions before hiring Jack Zduriencik in the offseason. It was a good decision for them, and a similar decision would be good for this organization (which isn’t saying that is what’s going to happen).
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by jameslcrockett on May 31, 2011 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions
And the Astros always play .700 ball in the 2nd half.
Which means the Cubs could do it too!
Just because there is one example of this working (and not even all that well, let’s be honest) doesn’t mean it’s a good solution 99% of the time.
lets see what happens
after the Draft – if the rumors are true that Wilkins would bolt with Hendry you dont want to lose your minor league director a week before the draft…
by hansman1982 on May 31, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
You know,
not to put too fine a point on it, but you’ve been now asked twice in all seriousness, and you’ve just answered a question with a question.
by Damen Jackson on May 30, 2011 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe I don't have an answer right now.
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I can accept that...
But you’re acting like we’re giving you a hard time about it, which I don’t think was the intent in either case.
by Damen Jackson on May 30, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Not my intention.
I’m thinking a lot about all of this, though.
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In a perfect world
Were it as simple as “whom is to blame”, this Cubbie situation would have been corrected, a long, long time ago. It is seldom if ever, one single person to blame.
I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".
Or, for that matter,
one group of people
I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".
I think the first step is to get ready to trade Fukodome
A few weeks ago on one of these threads, I set my sell point at 18-32 at 50 games. They’re still four games above that (23-29), so it’s not imperative. But if they lose their next three series, or if Soriano is out for an extended period, it’s time to pull the plug.
Yes, even with Byrd, Soriano, and Johnson hurt. I’d trade Fukodome He’s a good defensive RF who won’t hurt an AL team by batting 8th/9th against RHP.
The next step is to stick Soto in the #6 spot and leave him there until the ASB. Then let Campana hit 7th and whoever’s playing RF (Colvin or Snyder) hit 8th.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Campana is not the answer
just sayin. He is a Sam Fuld type that this organization needs but he is not the answer to our prayers so he does not really benefit the organization by playing everyday.
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by TheRiot Police on May 31, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you want
Campana in CF and Jackson in LF, or
Soriano in LF and Jackson in CF?
I’m not saying Campana is anything more than Tom Goowin. In fact, if he has Goodwin’s career he should be happy.
But it’s not like Soriano is tearing it up out there.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 31, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like a wash to me
As long as Campana doesn’t hit first against LHPs, I’ll be relatively happy.
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by jameslcrockett on May 31, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, Al, Mike Murphy just said the same thing on WMVP
exactly the same thing about the total inexperience of the coaching staff and how far Quade is in over his head. You guys were really thinking alike today.
I'm not sure being in agreement with Murph
is a good thing.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
but it was amazing
that Al and Murphy said the exact same thing, they are really on the same page here.
Murphy also broke it down
Riggins hasn’t been a pitching coach since 1995 and that was only for one year, Listach has never been a bench coach, Dernier and DeJesus have never coached in the field and Quade is to him totally in over his head as a big league manager. He also blamed Hendry too for the mess of the staff.
Thanks Mike
I just puked. Man all you wrote sounds awful
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by Hammer on May 30, 2011 6:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It is when he's right
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by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, that's correct.
If the Cubs were going to name Quade manager, they needed some experienced coaches. They have none.
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Does it tale experience to not put an infielder in the outfield
when you have two outfielders on the bench? It’s not like DeWitt is hitting.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
I'm not sure Murph is ever right,
or if he is it’s only by accident. He’s basically a whiner with a mircophone. It’s amazing how much better the Score afternoon hours are without him (not that they’re that great now, but …).
I was in the game threads for a while this afternoon and they were all right. Must have gotten worse later.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually used to love Murph in the early days of the Score
I thought he was a lot of fun to listen to. But something happened to him over the years-he became sort of cautic and angry and very short on saying anything of substance. He also seems to get really pissed whenever someone disagree with him.
So, yeah, find him pretty unlistenable nowadays.
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
He is right about this
The coaching staff is overmatched and in over their heads.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
No, because they are overmatched.
They are losing IN PART because the coaching staff isn’t very good.
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by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess I"m wondering why you think they're overmatched
Unconventional? Is that a better word? Zimmer was that way, too.
That doesn’t mean they couldn’t use a veteran voice (Jaramillo?), but it seems a lot of the complaints are about differences of opinion some posters have with Quade, not whether something is “right” or “wrong.”
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
The batting coach isn't really going to give that kind of veteran voice, though.
It would be the bench coach.
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I wonder if Alan Trammell would've stayed, if the Cubs had asked him to.
He’s with the hottest team in baseball right now, though.
It didn't help that his
buddy Gibson is the Snakes’ manager.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Right.
I grew up rooting for the Tigers.
Exactly.
Once Trammell was passed over, he wouldn’t have come back.
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Maybe not.
But as a bench coach, he could be invaluable.
Look at how Arizona is doing. Obviously, it’s not just Trammell, but his presence clearly helps Gibson.
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Thats why...
…you usually always put a bench coach in place that has been around the block, when you have a rookie major league manager.
It adds an element of comfort the manager and lets him relax a bit.
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I agree 100%.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
It comes down to experience...
…and when you essentially have a rookie manager, it doesn’t help to solidify the brain trust by adding a pitching coach with zero major league experience and a bench coach who isn’t exactly a seasoned veteran either.
When you have experience, it adds some confidence to everyone involved, because they know they have seen just about everything there is to see. This group doesn’t have that and lets face it, coaching in the bigs entails a hell of a lot more pressure than the minors.
I actually brought this up To Al when we talked on Friday, that I was really surprised Hendry allowed all three of your main coaches (manager, bench coach and pitching coach) to have minimal to no MLB experience. As I have said before, a more seasoned coaching staff is not winning anything with this team, but it also isn’t difficult to see this bunch is a bit overwhelmed either.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
At times, they seem like a bunch of high school coaches.
Not that being a high school coach is bad per se, but these aren’t high school kids they’re coaching.
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There is something...
…to be said for inspiring confidence in your team and rookie coaches accross the board is not the best way to do that.
When I played in college, our head coach was only in his late 30’s, but he had already taken 3 teams to the college world series and his reputation spoke for itself and he commanded respect, because everyone knew he knew what was right for the team. Our top assistant, had years of experience and could have been a head coach at a top school (and in fact was given the head job at Texas A&M). Our other coaches also (we had 6) also were respectable guys. If for whatever reason, the top two guys left and they were replaced by coaches who had no experience at a top flight division one school, I can tell you the players may have some element of doubt as to who was leading them.
Again, I’m not saying a more seasoned staff wins with this team, because they wouldn’t, but it is not difficult to observe that at least Quade and the pitching coach are a bit overwhelmed by all of this.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I believe a more experienced
staff wouldn’t have made the gaffes this staff has. It seems experience would result in more than the two or three wins generally attributed to a manager.
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by cub in louies nest on May 30, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know how many wins...
…but I agree there have been some very fundemental lapses in judgment an experienced staff likely doesn’t make.
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Boers and Bernstein
really are the pile of crap in an otherwise fairly high quality lineup. I guess they don’t whine, they’re outright nasty.
And are you saying you don’t like people who complain a lot?
B&B can be nasty,
but they’re nasty when it’s deserved.
Complaining and whining are two different things.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 31, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
All I can do is laugh at this
“Complaining and whining are two different things.”
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
In fairness, I laugh off almost everything you say as patently ridiculous
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Fine with me
Knock yourself out, hoss.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 31, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I also feel Al nailed it
on the Quade matter . Are the coaches giving him any advice ? I was also wondering about Blake Dewitt in left field . Does Quade think he is still in Mesa ??
Nothing agains Al (or Murph for the matter)...
But it doesn’t exactly take a baseball expert to see how far in over his head Quade is.
Problem is that I’m not sure our GM counts as an expert these days.
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
could it be that
Quade and Hendry are trying to develop DeWitt into a “super-sub” in an effort to increase his trade value? Maybe they see the team the same way we do and they are now trying to get rid of some of the pieces while playing MASH with the roster.
I don't think...
…that should be a priority when you are scrambling for any win you can get.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Maybe they're not scrambling...
It might be recognized in the front office that 78-79 wins might be the ceiling for this team, and that it’s time to start organizing the garage sale.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Trust me...
…this is Quade’s first rodeo as a manager and the guy wants to win every game he possibly can.
Beyond that, raising DeWitt’s trade value is equivalent to throwing a deck chair off the Titanic anyway.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Well its true
The Staff that is assembled is not strong. Pitching coach who has coached in what 10 years. DeJesus has had some rough moments at 3rd. Denier is new at this level. And Quade for all of his minor league experience is showing he is coaching at a minor league level.
The lemahieu callup....
Should they have called up someone older and worse? Even flaherty…there’s no real mif sub on the team, and flaherty is a corner guy. I doubt it’s a long stay unless he blows minds…even then….well…back to drinking. I’m happy to see a high upside guy here.
by SenorGato on May 30, 2011 6:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
How can he "blow minds"...
… pinch hitting every other day?
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Glen Allen Hill-type pinch hit homers
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by carmen_fanzone on May 30, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Technically, Barney is the backup SS...
DeWitt is a backup 2B. So the middle infield was covered.
That said, it doesn’t matter much for 15 days.
This organization is a joke...
These bullshit promotions I keep seeing on the internet and TV for 1 dollar hotdogs and free t-shirts are not going to get me to invest into this team. Jesus we are starting to look like the White Sox now instead of the Red Sox. When have we ever had to do promotions like these to get fans to come to the game? Its pathetic that I need to hear Ricketts talk about the food now being served at Wrigley. If I want Dag’s pizza, I’ll go to Dags. If I want wings I’ll go to Hooters. I’m going to Wrigley to watch a professional baseball team WIN…something that is not happening atm.
Quade needs to grow a pair, not eyebrows mind you, and start playing the kids. I want to see more of Jackson/Campana/DJ etc..Instead we will see Rammy bat fourth tommrow…Flag this if you find it offensive I dont care…..like I find this team.
by BadDecisions on May 30, 2011 6:14 PM CDT reply actions 11 recs
Sadly rec'd
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by Hammer on May 30, 2011 6:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Mike Quade is worse than Lou Pineilla
I don’t know how he did it, but Jim Hendry managed to find someone worse at managing a game than the late 2009-2010 Lou Pineilla. As I said in the game threads, Quades “gotta play the veterans” is worse than Lou’s because Quade has no qualms about playing vets out of position rather than playing the youngsters.
The ONE thing I was hoping for with Quade, the ONE thing I thought we might see with Quade was that he would actually give the youngsters a shot simply because he was a minor league manager for so long. The other reason being that our veterans simply aren’t that good. Blake DeWitt is not so much better than Snyder that he needs to get a start in left field. He’s just not.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
I don't really disagree.
But Snyder’s not really part of the future. If DeWitt were getting time over, say, Brett Jackson … well, that would be a lot worse.
My guess is they’re giving DeWitt outfield time to potentially build trade value, or just value. Again, I’m not disagreeing, Nunya. Just adding a slight caveat.
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Well, playing a guy in a position he's not comfortable at, and has never played
isn’t a particularly intelligent way to build trade value.
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by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't disagree with that, either.
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any concern for the young guys trade value?
Minor league players in the majors too soon could have a negative impact. Could be positive in some cases but I would think more of a negative. (Not referencing opening day guys)
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on May 30, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't disagree
I would have sent DeWitt down to AAA on May 1, once it became clear that Barney wasn’t leaving the lineup, and had him play every day in LF. The White Sox have done that with Viciedo – they sent him back to Charlotte to learn to play RF even though his bat was good enough for the major league roster.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
When a guy's bat isn't allowing him to earn PT at 2B, making him a corner OF isn't going to help.
DeWitt as a super-sub is even more puzzling. He’s lousy at multiple defensive positions now. But at least his bat doesn’t make up for it.
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I'd love to see DJ get a game at third this week.
Apologies if he can’t play the position. :)
Also, it would be really cool to see BJax up with the club. I’m not sure what else can be done as far as moving players, unless Byrd comes back soon.
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I suspect if Soriano goes to the DL
you’ll see Jackson.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I suspect we'll see Colvin or Moore
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by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
probably
bjax just got off the DL, no point in tossing him in this mess after a couple weeks on the DL
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on May 30, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Colvin, I can accept...
… since he MIGHT be part of this team’s future.
I’d rather see Jackson.
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I wouldn't mind actually getting to see Jackson play
but I also wouldn’t mind letting Jackson continue to gain confidence in the minors while at the same time keeping his service clock from ticking.
We have enough decent other young OFs that I don’t see the real upside of pushing Jackson aggressively at this point.
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by Castro Por Presidente on May 30, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't.
Simple reason: Right now, the Cubs’ backup CF is Kosuke. At least with BJax, they aren’t stuck playing Campana every day (not that Campana’s been terrible).
I know that Colvin can play center, but he’s not much of a defensive upgrade over Kosuke.
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I'm guessing pretty strongly
Jackson will get the call-up.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
We'll see
I don’t think Colvin is much of a step down defensively in center from Dome, and Campana is playing well enough right now he could be THE centerfielder until Byrd is back
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by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
His base steals are a breath of fresh air.
by BadDecisions on May 30, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And, as was discussed earlier this year
(not that we reached any consensus…) Speed can cuz good things to happen.
I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".
Yeah, but what if Campana gets hurt?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Then Bjax comes up.
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by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
because there literally wouldn't be any other bodies in the system
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by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Bodies under 50, is apparently what I should have said
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by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe we can re-acquire aaron miles!
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on May 30, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Jimbo said he can play center.
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has anyone PROVED that he can't?
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by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha. I guess not.
When he was here, he was so bad, the Cubs didn’t look for ways to get him into the lineup.
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He can pitch too
Doesn’t mean I want him anywhere near Chicago wearing a Cubs uniform.
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by cub in louies nest on May 30, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I was kidding.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I know that
I was half joking. I actually saw TLR put him into a game in which the Cardinal’s bullpen was getting shellacked. He put them down in order & got a standing O.
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by cub in louies nest on May 31, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
If BJax isn't called up ...
if Soriano is hurt, I bet the only reason will be to delay his service-time clock.
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He's just coming off the DL
I don’t think we’ll see him this time
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by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You could very well be right.
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Maybe
I suspect he’ll get the call, however. Maybe not, but …
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think we'll see Jackson before the ASB
They have to let the Montanezes, Snyders, and Dewitts fail at LF first. Sort of like having to go through Russell, Davis, and Lopez before we get a sniff of McNutt or Jackson.
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by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
a sniff of McNutt...heh.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 30, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
He can swing a hot bat!
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He must have!
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When IS Byrd due back?
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by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
No date set.
I’m guessing it might not be till after the All-Star break.
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Ugh.
So the best we can likely expect is a deal through the waiver wire in August.
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They had Clemente. They have Primanti's.
That’s going to have to be enough for them.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Primanti's overrated?
Death, where is thy sting?
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, sandwich is too dry.
I’d still eat there again though.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
The cole slaw helps with that
Just don’t tell me you think Yuengling is crap.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Thing is, the coleslaw is vinegar based.
So it’s not all that moist. Yuengling is all right though. Only had it a couple times.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Good point about the slaw
A Pittsburgh suggestion: Have breakfast at DeLuca’s. Order the mixed grill. Thank me later.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I saw that on TV once.
Line was down the block. I’ll have to give it a whirl next time I’m in town.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Seriously, it's great
I’ve only been there after noon, so no lines. But it closes early (like around 3).
The fish market down the street also does a nice fish sandwich. Church Brew Works is an interesting place to drink beer, and it’s pretty good.
Overall, Pittsburgh is a fantastic city, and not just for the food.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Pittsburgh is definitely a place Cubs fans should consider if planning a baseball trip
Awesome park, cheap seats, and enough stuff to do in town for a weekend.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Agree 120 percent
I’ve been there four times for Cubs series and enjoyed the heck out of each one.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
100% agreed with everyone in this part of the thread.
PNC and the city are a great road trip for any baseball fan.
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Wouldnt a mass BCB outing be amusing?
50 BCB members (and 10 security guards to break up the skirmishes) decending on Pittsburgh to cheer on Starlin Castro, drink Yungling, and eat until we collapse.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 31, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you guys making up words?
Here, I’ll try one:
Jeff Samardzija
How’d I do?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
You have to know Pittsburgh a little
although Samardzija is a Pittsburgh-ish name.
I’m heading to the ‘Burgh in July, and at this point I’m looking forward more to the Primanti’s and the Yuengling than watching the Cubs.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we should sign him.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
But Quade would want to play him at SS
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
If you dislike Oklahoma Joe's in KC, we're gonna have trouble.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I ate there last week.
BOOYA
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I will be there at least once during the Royals-Cubs series
Maybe twice. Although I heard that LC’s got shut down by the health department for a while, so I’m a little disappointed about that.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Oklahoma Joe's Pro Tip:
Order takeout, skip the line (takes at least 90 minutes during peak hours), take it home and eat it. Saves a lot of time. However, they DO NOT let you eat takeout in the store (many try), and the sauce is actually a bit different in-house compared to store-bought.
Also, they are closed on Sundays.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I"m an Arthur Bryant's guy
but I’ve heard great things about Oklahoma Joe’s.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Arthur Bryant's is the only one I've ever heard of.
It gets tough for out of towners to separate the tourist spots with the local favorites.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
A friend of mine lived there for 10+ years
That always helps. But Gates/Bryant’s are legendary for a reason. And the Negro Leagues Hall of Fame is just down the street from Bryant’s.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a Bryant's fan
Been there three times. Tried different things each time. Disappointed all three.
Sadly the TSA won’t let me take a BBQ-sauce-sodden sandwich onto the plane any more.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't like Gates as much as Bryant's
But I haven’t tried OK Joes or Jack Stack or KC Masterpiece. Gotta work on those.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
My order of the big ones goes like this:
1 – OK Joe’s
2 – Bryant’s
3 – Jack Stack
4 – Gates
There’s plenty more smaller shacks in KCMO, but I haven’t had all of them yet.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I shall write this down and keep it in mind.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Just call me, we're internet friends.
BCB CRIBS, KC style.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I've not been to Jack Stack
I was supposed to go with some friends last year, but got sick and didn’t make the trip. But I hear that their lamb ribs are very good.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Jack Stack sauces the best.
But it’s a classy joint, not like the others—you can pretty much spit on the floor and order food dressed as a Muppet at the others.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Not true!
Well, sort of. We were just in San Diego and my gf flew with a full rack of ribs in her purse, sealed all pretty for her brother, jonesing for some OKJoe’s.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
now that's love...
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Guess Phil's BBQ wasn't doing the trick for him.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Did you go to the original one on Brooklyn?
Not sure how the quality is at their other locations.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
You might get shot, but yeah, that's the original.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I've only been there during the day
I can imagine if it’s after dark and not very crowded, it might be an issue.
IIRC, there’s a Gates’ outlet just north of there.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Gates has a larger location right off of 71 near the Plaza
I love that street name: Emanuel Cleaver II. Named after a congressman.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Bryant's is the classic one.
Oklahoma Joe’s is in a gas station. Seriously, you can fill your tank up, grab a candy bar and soda, and then go order the best BBQ in KC. It’s incredible.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Addictio
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on May 30, 2011 6:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
When the Pirates and the Astros reach season highs in run scored against your team
you know it’s going to be a looooong road trip versus the very best of NL.
Also it’s extremely nice from you Al that you didn’t mention Quade another all-timer move when he didn’t pinch hit for Samardzija, who moments later gave up (the game ending) HR. I know our pen is lack of good middle releivers and Jeff have been good so far….still. Wasting two baserunners in a tie ballgame is a luxury.
Addiction
I am posting on BCB after following all day online. I’m camping on the beach in Morro Bay CA with the wife and dog.
Honestly moving to Cali has improved my health because of the outdoors and the 60+ games I can only view.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on May 30, 2011 6:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Good for you
I bet your blood pressure is down and you have many less headaches . You are much farther away from this mess than us . Hope your weather was great .
Oh an without even watching
QIAFI
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on May 30, 2011 6:24 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
In regards to this season...
Not only is the fat lady singing…she’ll be giving a live concert after the final game of each homestand all the way thru September.
I never thought I’d say this about this team, but, not only is it worse than last year’s…it’s the worst team in the NL and if NOT for the Twins…all of baseball (and I’m not too sure the Twins are worse).
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981
I don't ever WISH for the Cubs to lose - and for the season to slip away so early...
but if it helps get rid of some overpaid under-performers via trades or whatever, then it is what it is. The sooner Quade and Hendry realize how much of a mess they have on their hands, the sooner we can (hopefully) fix it. Of course, the calendar says it’s still only May so we’ll have to listen more of the “Let’s wait until we get some guys back from the DL” and “Let’s wait until the weather warms up” crap…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Does anyone think that if Pujols has a mediocre year, then his asking price will be lowered?
Just wishing.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
No
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
Because he's the best player in the major leagues
If last year had been mediocre as well, you could claim he’s starting to decline pretty early.
One “mediocre” year isn’t going to convince anyone that his value is down. Bidders will still be willing to pay what he asks.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
well
from 2009 to 2010 his OPS+ was off by 15 points, his SLG was down .060, OBP down .030, he was a negative .3 defensive WAR last year (only the second negative in his career) and his total WAR was down to 7.0 from 9.2
lots of things to say he could be in decline
You're exactly right
2010 was his worst year, maybe ever,maybe since his rookie year. Consider that, then take this year, plus the rumors about his age, I think he is losing money every day. The Cubs really need to take a pass on him.
"You put up with a few minor inconveniences when you live in a condemned building."
by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on May 30, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus, if his asking price does come down....
He’ll just resign with the Cardinals.
Won't make a difference to us...
he’s not gonna come here and play for this F’d up organization…no matter how much Ricketts offers.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981
He wants to win...
I’m sure money has something to do with it, but, would you rather sign for a quarter billion and play for a contender or sign for a quarter billion and play for a dud? The Cubs won’t even be on his radar come free agency time.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981
By that logic,
Why the hell did Soriano sign here?
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
…because some dumbass offered him an obscene amount of money…and years…that nobody else would. Pujols won’t have that problem. There’ll be many, many offers for him.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981
Not as many as you might think
At least not up to his standards, or what he’s expecting.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Every BIG market team will make a play for him (less the Red Sox)...
he could hit .250 with 25 HRs and 90 RBIs and he’ll STILL get whatever he wants. Cardinals won’t let him walk, tho. They aren’t that stupid…PLUS throw in a division championship this year and Albert will stay right where he’s at. If he’s not a Cardinal next year, then he’ll be a Yankee…especially if CC opts out.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981
CC will opt out and get a mega ass contract from the yankees
pujols has no place on the yankees now or in the future
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on May 30, 2011 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, then,
why did Ted Lilly sign here?
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Because Chicago in the summer
is more fun than Kansas City?
by Damen Jackson on May 30, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I can have a pretty good time in a garbage dump
with millions of dollars.
(KC is a fun city, IMHO.)
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree...
Chicago is still more fun, IMO.
When all is equal, take the lifestyle choice. A guy who has spent his career in Toronto, New York, and the San Fran area has probably become a bit more used to life in an urban setting. But your point on the dump is well taken.
by Damen Jackson on May 30, 2011 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh shucks, Bruce, you're just sayin' that cuz I'm in KC!
Gosh darnit golly gee!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Didn't know you were, Dan
Don’t worry, I still think KC is a great city. :)
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You'd have to ask Jayson Werth that question.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on May 30, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
to be fair
boras clients need more money than they’re reasonably worth to survive
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on May 30, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Qaude doesn't even act like a big league manager
with his nickname for every player, are you kidding me? Russ, Bake, Cassie, Rami, Geo, Fuku, Sori, Woody, Wellsy, Demp, etc, etc……don’t people see he’s just one of the guys and doesn’t have any type of hammer in the locker room? This team is gonna blow up to 90 to 95 losses with the culture that’s there now.
By the way, I want Hendry gone though before Quade and that’s saying something. They both need to go at the end of the year. Ricketts has so many problems and he seems incapable too. The interview today with Len and Bob was pathetic.
YUCK, this is just sick with no hope at all.
I don't care what nicknames he calls them
I care about his lineup decisions, his pitching calls and his discipline .
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How fragile are Soriano's legs?
They seem more fragile than Joker’s in Mass Effect ( reference for all you gammers out there). I seriously have to wonder if there was any PED use or something. His leg power and speed have deminished at an outstanding rate…
I was thinking about this the other day.
Soriano wasn’t an outfielder until 2006. Maybe the switch, along with his age, wrecked his legs?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I could buy that
I don’t believe he was using PEDs, but I know from experience that once you get leg injuries, at a certain age, they just stick around
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Didnt Beltran have a Knee injury?? Seems like he bounced alright.
by BadDecisions on May 30, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
after several surgeries on it
not to mention beltran is a less flawed player than soriano is
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on May 30, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Soriano also relied SO much on his tools before the injuries.
He isn’t the type of guy who makes adjustments.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Really? Because he used to be a pretty big base stealing threat.
He has 0 this year.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not very optimistic about how well he comes back from this
He already looked like he was 70 when he was running. What will this do?
Make him look like he is 80?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
What happened to the Quade who went 24-13 last year?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
They started playing meaningful games again.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981
We played some contenders after Quade took over, and played them OK.
We had very good starting pitching and just enough offense. Now, we’ve had bad starting pitching and not enough offense.
Quade seemed energetic after Lou left. But energy only goes so far, it seems.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Well, we played some good teams "ok" this year as well
We put together credible games against the Rockies, Giants, Dodgers, and Marlins. Sadly outside of those games we haven’t done much.
Credible games versus 24-13, though.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I wonder if this is
a little window into the players / team mentality. Maybe they are ready for another scapegoat. That being said, I was not in favor of the Q hire but I did have an opinion of him – Badass in the shades at third. Someone you would’nt want to mess with. That is gone now. Seems we have a bunch of guys from the coaches on up who just tell each other everything is going to be all right. Sometimes, throwing a salty jerk in the mix is necessary for perspective. 2 cents.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on May 30, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
No comparison...
…and you can never judge a manager (or even a player) when they play 40 games that are meaningless.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Hey, Al, any update on three game winning streak?
You were gonna try to find what’s the latest a team has gone w/o winning three in a row to start a season. With our schedule after Houston, I have a feeling we aren’t going to get there by the all star break. By the way, the Cubs haven’t won more than two in a row at home since the SD series in mid April.
I'm not sure how to look that up.
But I’ll give it a shot and report back if I can find out.
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I'm more worried about the interview L&B had with Ricketts on WGN today during the game.
Ricketts seemed to talk about visiting all the other stadiums, and how fun it was in Fenway, etc. I didn’t detect any strong thoughts on his part on what he is going to do with this team, his plans, his hopes for the future, and how he is going to make the organization better, and the team into a contender.
Ricketts seemed like a cool guy to have a beer with in the bleachers, but that’s it.
Sad…..
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
I caught that too and had virtually the same thoughts
In fact the interview seemed to underline that we badly need a President who is actually running the team. All this crap about how he wants to take bits and pieces from other stadiums seemed an awful lot like “I don’t have the first clue how to fix the team, but I sure loved the layout of so and so park!”
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Were you expecting Len and Bob to interrogate him?
Maybe shove bamboo shoots under his fingernails? Waterboard him?
It was, predictably, a cream-puff interview.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't hear the interview ...
but I’d tend to agree. Len and Bob are paid by Ricketts. And even if Bruce Miles were giving the interview, it’s extremely unlikely that Ricketts would say much about his plans for the future. And he’s already talked about his hopes.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Exactly.
Those kinds of interviews aren’t going to get you any real in-depth information.
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However,
Can’t Ricketts state something along the lines of " The state of this baseball team is unacceptable. I myself and the staff that I have hired have higher expectations than this team..I promise we will do the best to get this team onto winning baseball." Instead I heard about his trip to Boston and a plug about how great the food is at wrigley…lame.
by BadDecisions on May 30, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Hello, McFly
Ricketts is in this to make money. If he badmouths his product in May, who the heck is going to show up in August or September?
by Danwood on May 30, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will...
Once we start seeing the kids play more…I much rather watch Kids with talent lose than this team..
by BadDecisions on May 30, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not what what BD said
He wants Rickets to get on National TV, badmouth the team he owns and then hope that people want to come to watch a non-contending, AAAA baseball team at $60 a ticket at the peak of summer heat.
Dude..they are non-contending now...
Lets watch the kids play and see what happens..build for the future.
by BadDecisions on May 30, 2011 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
This is what they do in Pittsburgh... Ever see the attendance at one of their home games?
Sparse is putting it mildly
The owner(s) pay just enough to put a team on the field
and pocket the rest. It’s a money-making operation.
Nice stadium, though!
I doubt you'd see that midseason from any owner of a major-leagues sports team.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I guess I'am asking for too much..but at some point he needs to address the state of affairs of this team..
by BadDecisions on May 30, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with that.
If we lose 90 games, I imagine there will be some comments after the season.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Agreed
If you don’t want to talk about the state of the team – and be honest with the fans – then don’t do the interview…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
So are you saying he shouldn't have gone on with Len and Bob?
Doing an interview with them during a game isn’t the same thing as doing an interview with the Sun-Times or Daily Herald or Tribune.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
It just seems like they are going out of their way to NOT talk about the team...
It’s the big, white elephant in the room. The Cubs have a huge payroll and huge expectations to contend. There’s no getting around that. But to just ignore the obvious and talk about the great food and the sunshine, etc… is a bit off-putting…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Agreed...
….they could have had the same interview with one of the bleacher bums.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 30, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Every other similar interview with every other similar franchise
would be conducted the exact same way.
I"m not sure why some Cubs fans seem to demand regular “state of the franchise” addresses from on high. Doesn’t seem like many other franchises do it, from what I can tell.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, first of all, Let's be clear
the fans aren’t demanding regular “state of the franchise” addresses.
They are wishing that the owner of the team, would make a comment about the team other than “things are good” or “why won’t the cheapass fans come to the game?”
They are wanting SOME acknowledgement that the team isn’t good and that there are plans in place to change our fortunes, from the one guy who actually has some say over it. It might even be unrealistic to expect that at this point, but until he DOES make that acknowledgement, the fans are going to be anxious that its not coming.
Until that comes, the least he could do is not do as many “goodwill tour” stops on WGN just to let us all know how hard he’s working at….wishing he had stadiums like Pittsburgh or Boston.
And as for
Doesn’t seem like many other franchises do it, from what I can tell.
That doesn’t mean he can’t. He seems very badly to want to have the fans’ good will. A monthly address would go a long way to doing that.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe Wilpon just recently
ripped his team – what good is that doing him? Is Citi Field suddenly full? No, all that does is engender badwill with free agents and put a sour taste the mouth of the 80% of the fanbase that enjoys to Cubs would NOT put up with those statements and would NOT come to the games.
Just because we (the rabid fans) want to hear that doesnt mean that is good for the team.
by hansman1982 on May 30, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Lord
Wilpon did it in about the worst way possible. That doesn’t mean that’s the only way to do it.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Many Cub fans want somebody like Kenny Williams
I do as well, but not for the reason that he’d trash his team verbally (which he would completely do). I just happen to think that Kenny Williams would be a good big-market GM because he won’t sit still and will keep on trying to make small moves to improve the organization.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You can best bet If Cuban was owner he would atleast hint around this...which was one of the reasons I wanted him.
by BadDecisions on May 30, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Chicago's already got one loudmouth (Ozzie)
we didn’t need a loudmouthed owner with a huge ego problem.
Exactly
I doubt the Cubs would be any different right now with Cuban as owner.
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Different, yes. Better, no.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean that same loud mouthed owner...
whose team is playing for the NBA Championship? Yeah…we don’t want an owner like that.
Who needs championships when we got free t-shirts, $3 beers and $1 dogs?
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981
It does.
Do you realize where the Mavs were before Cuban took over? A lot of time will pass between now and when you see this, if you even see this, so let me fill you in to save you a trip to Google. They were the laughing stock of the NBA. Throughout the 90s, I recall looking at the sports section of my newspaper to see if the Mavs finally won more than 10 games. 10 wins in a 82 game season. That’s a 12% win percentage, which is pitiful. It wasn’t until 2000 when they landed Cuban as owner, and had Nash and Dirk to head up the team that they became a good team again. Since then they’ve been a playoff threat, going to the WCF in 2003, the Finals in 2006, and the Finals again this year. Behind all of that has been Cuban, and he alone doesn’t make this team win, as can be witnessed by them being bounced as the #1 seed in the first round a few years ago, but he certainly helps to motivate the base by signing checks that matter, challenging authority’s old and broken ways, and doing whatever it takes to win and be fan friendly. People can say he has a huge ego and is a loudmouth all he wants, but everything he does and says is to the benefit of the team he loves and is heavily invested in. It’s amazing that people fail to see this and only pay attention to him being fined by Stern over and over again.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 31, 2011 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
a championship winning basketball team
requires at most 3 great players and 2 good players – thats 5 players that you need to acquire to become a championship winner.
a successful baseball team requires 3 great position players, 2 great SP, 2 great RP, 4 more good position players, 2 more good SP and another good RP for a total of 14 players that you have to get having a good season…plus not to mention the farm system it requires, the coaching staff, the facilities, etc…
Comparing success in the two leagues is like trying to compare a butterfly and a nuclear bomb.
I still agree with the spirit of Craig's poing
Whether it’s basketball or baseball, there has to be a relentless desire at the top that translates into making smart moves. Even a guy like John Henry, who isn’t the public presence that Mark Cuban is, has the same passion for sustained success and the willingness to do what it takes.
The fact is...
… you don’t, I don’t, no one knows what Tom Ricketts is doing behind the scenes to have that success. Just because he isn’t blathering on talk radio or ripping his team on a WGN-TV broadcast with Len & Bob, doesn’t mean he doesn’t have that passion.
People sometimes mistake yelling and screaming in public for passion. That mistake is why we got Milton Bradley.
That’s not quite the same thing, of course. I’d rather have a guy who quietly analyzes everything, then makes sound decisions, rather than comes in ripping all the walls down and firing everyone.
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by Al Yellon on May 31, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I agree with all of this, but
The actions that we have seen don’t offer encouragement to me.
I think that too much is made by fans about the ballpark renovations; it has nothing to do with the dedication to making the on-field product better. It is possible to do both concurrently.
The concern that I have is, no baseball president was hired, Hendry shows more and more as time goes by that he really doesn’t know how to construct a winning MLB roster and there is this undertone that the Cubs can’t launch him for fear of losing his lieutenants.
by Shanghai Badger on May 31, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
The fear...
…of losing Wilken etc. is way overblown in my opinion and not a reason to keep a leader who has not delivered the goods.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Absolutely correct
Someone wins the World Series every year, and most years it’s not an organization that ever had Wilken working for it.
I’m not diminishing his talents; I think that he’s good at what he does and I don’t want him to leave the Cubs. He’s not irreplaceable, though.
by Shanghai Badger on May 31, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
we also dont know
the kind of orders Zell and the Tribune handed him in 2006 that lead to the mess we are in now - I think it is completely reasonable to come in and tell him to build a perennial winner and give him a couple years to get the pieces in place.
Frankly what we are seeing now are the repurcussions of the Cubs last run – this is why we have aging, underproductive pieces in exactly the wrong spots. There wasnt anyone this offseason that you would want to rebuild your organization around and I like some of the moves that were made this last offseason.
If Tom really does want to fire Jim now and is worried that his lieutenants will leave than you certaintly wouldnt want to lose the guy who is in charge of the draft less than 2 weeks from the draft. The best time to fire Jim will probably be starting June 8.
I think Hendry may have been told to spend
I doubt that he was told to spend foolishly
by Shanghai Badger on May 31, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Chicago fans seem to think you have to act like Ditka to show that you have “passion” or that you’re “doing something.” That’s garbage.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 31, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Man, your love affair with hyperbole is never ending
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
You should stop
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on May 31, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks, I can handle this on my own though.
Any reason you felt the need to jump onto that? Wasn’t directed at you.
Probably the same reason you jump into discussions
that aren’t aimed at you?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Typically I try to offer substance to those conversations.
Thanks though.
“As is your love affair with being snarky.”
Quality.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
ah, but you see, my response said:
Typically I try
I’m a master at CYA.
Tom Ricketts is most definitely "doing something".
It’s just that most of us don’t really like what that is right now.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
First of all, the obvious response is already posted below in the difference between how difficult it is to make a winning basketball team and a winning baseball team.
However, I think it’s hilarious that in your own argument, you happen to point out that Cuban took over in 2000 and wasn’t contending in any way until 3 years later in 2003 (in a MUCH easier sport to turn around in), didn’t make it to the finals until 2006, and STILL hasn’t won a championship in 11 years.
Now, we all rip Rickett’s in a sport that is much more difficult to turn it around in (no expiring contracts, draft picks don’t make an impact the year they are drafted, more positions to field, pitchers and fielders, etc. etc.) after TWO years. It took Cuban 6 years to reach a finals and he still hasn’t won crap.
Stop acting like Cuban is the king of all owners because he’s vocal and you know what he looks like. He’s obnoxious, loud, and rich. Our owners have 1 of the 3, and the two Rickett’s is missing isn’t really important in winning a championship.
by bdlugz on May 31, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The expiring contracts, of course, is in reference to
Teams looking to trade for very high priced expiring contracts, mid level exceptions, etc. Because I’m sure someone will feel the need to point out baseball has expiring contracts forcing me to respond regardless.
Simply put: His interviews need to be better.
I don’t care about his trip to boston, I don’t care about the food being served or anything else that is superficiously being said about the field or concessions…He can atleast talk more about the developments of the scouting market or something…TALK ABOUT SOMETHING TO GIVE ME FAITH IN THIS TEAM AND ORGANIZATION. Is that to much to ask for??
by BadDecisions on May 30, 2011 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
BadDecisions
I am with you. I have no issues with the cream puffs for a couple of questions. But it would not hurt to say, " We are constantly looking to improve the club on field, that is and will be the priority"
His priority is making money.
Unfortunately for us. The way to get through to him is to stop buying those expensive tickets—and it looks like people are already doing that.
The only way he makes money is if he has butts in seats...
The worse the product is on the field, the less tickets, beer and popcorn he sells. Ricketts knows that – we ALL know that…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
It's possible to make good money off of a team
without putting a good product on the field. Check it out: How Losing Is A Profitable Game In Baseball
The Pirates
have been doing that for years, haven’t they?
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep. The owners make a pretty penny
off the backs of the fans and the big-money teams (revenue sharing).
I suspect
that will be true, too.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah..
lets just hope that is not about contract extensions for Hendry
by BadDecisions on May 30, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe sometime in August...
expecting the owner of the team with a huge financial stake in people continuing to show up to throw his entire organization under the bus with 4 months left in the season? Even I can’t support that thought, no matter how much I believe it’s true.
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by jameslcrockett on May 30, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
If he's going to go General Patton on the organization
Then he’s going to also have to do something to appease the season ticket holders while the team plays out the string in August and September.
Sending them each a pair of field or terrace boxes to a September game that they can give to a friend would be a starting point.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Those would be good ideas...
…a good start, at least.
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by jameslcrockett on May 30, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
No. But talking more about the team's intentions with the on-field product
wouldn’t have been out of the question
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Len and Bob don't do interviews...
They are, in effect, employees of an entertainment concern. Any and everything that they do is in the name of furthering the marketing of that product, period. I’ll never fault them for not asking the tough questions, as they are not media.
by Damen Jackson on May 30, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I know I'll hear about this quite a bit but...
But Al, I disagree, I don’t mind seeing DeWitt in the OF, for reasons documented throughout the game thread (in a very er… eloquent… argument with my dear friend nunya). I’ll rehash a few of them now.
1. If you look at it offensively, I think there is a big difference between DeWitt and the 3rd minor league that you had to call up.
2. Defensively, obviously we’d expect the better defense right now would come from Montanez or Snyder, but I don’t think we can know DeWitt’s defense until we let him actually try some.
That throw was pretty damn good, of course, he made up for it on the next play. However, I don’t think that error is an indication he is incapable of playing the OF, it wasn’t an egregious Soriano-like error where he just misplays a hard ground ball, he just slipped. Obviously he’s not a future full time outfielder, but is there harm in having him be more versatile?
I know several people will just write this off as me defending Quade, but when I saw Soriano was down I hoped myself that DeWitt would get a shot over Snyder today (and over Montanez in this case, because it was a RHP).
Don’t want this to be a start of a huge argument, so I hope nobody takes it that way, but I just wanted to clarify my stance on this, and give my two cents.
We'll all miss you Ron.
I just don't see the point of putting a 2B/3B in the outfield.
Why do it? He’s not going to get good at it, and if he were going to, it would take a lot longer than playing him in meaningful games. Like I said, this isn’t extended spring training, but Quade seems to be playing it that way.
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I don't understand the sentiment that DeWitt can't be and/or isn't a decent outfielder?
We'll all miss you Ron.
Would you put Aramis in LF?
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on May 30, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
At this point in his career? No.
But other teams do move younger players around. Pujols has seen some time in the OF in his career, for instance.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
No, but that doesn't mean anything for DeWitt
Rami and DeWitt are very different. DeWitt seems to be more athletic.
We'll all miss you Ron.
Oh, no.
Not the “athletic” argument again.
He’s not an outfielder. He never played there before two weeks ago. I repeat, this isn’t spring training.
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This is not the time of year to find out....
You figure it out in ST.
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Typically I'd agree with this, but I don't think anyone knew DeWitt was going to be scraping for playing time
because of Barney’s rise.
We'll all miss you Ron.
Blake DeWitt
is not the type of hitter you force a position change on just to get in the lineup. He is not that type of player. Bring Colvin or Jackson up and let them play.
or let Snyder or Montanez play.
It would be a lot different if the Cubs hadn’t already brought up 3 OFers… they deemed them worthy to be on the major-league roster, why force a middle infielder to play that position over him?
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by jameslcrockett on May 30, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Because it's left field and it's usually manned by a statue
Montanez was a SS in his first go-around in the Cubs organization.
You could have stuck Zambrano in LF today and he would have fielded it just as poorly as DeWitt or Soriano.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
May as well put Sean Marshall out there, then.
He’s played as many games in the OF at Wrigley as DeWitt has, as of today.
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Nah, Z would have been more fun
And he’s a better #6 hitter than DeWitt as well.
I still don’t understand why they didn’t PH for Shark when the game was still close. I realize that they were short one bench bat with DeWitt in the game, but it’s not like the Iowa shuttle isn’t running every day anyway.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
DeWitt had 8 inning in LF this year going in today...
and when I looked that up, I thought it was 8 innings too many.
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by jameslcrockett on May 30, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Other teams try this stuff midseason.
Ideally, it’s in ST. But Ryan Theriot was moved to short in May 2007. That worked.
I know, I know — Theriot played short in the minors. Still, I don’t see the HUGE deal of playing DeWitt in left.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Because he's not an outfielder and the Cubs HAVE other outfielders.
As noted above, the time to do this is spring training. Quade doesn’t appear to see that ST was over two months ago.
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DeWitt doesn't belong in the OF
Russell shouldn’t be starting.
Pena shouldn’t be playing 1st vs LHP.
Hill shouldn’t be our backup catcher.
Lopez shouldn’t have been traded for.
etc
etc
etc
But that’s the way Quade rolls.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
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Mary Ann!!!!!!
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You're trying to argue about the Lopez trade?
A guy that was actually doing okay in AAA to make sure Russell never starts again and that we literally gave up no one for?
There’s plenty to worry about, but Lopez isn’t one of them, stop putting things up just to make a list longer.
They could have done the same thing...
by just calling up anybody from Iowa, saving them two players (however worthless) in the process (assuming Stevens ends up somewhere else). Lopez was another example of bad process… period.
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by jameslcrockett on May 31, 2011 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions
You realize calling someone up from Iowa
is exactly what they did originally, and nobody liked Coleman here either.
We'll all miss you Ron.
WE HAVE NOBODY AT IOWA
They all suck, literally. We have the worst team ERA in the minors there, I’m pretty sure.
There was no one else to call up and Lopez actually had a pretty good run in AAA for Atlanta, a team that has some pretty impressive pitching depth.
This was a good move, we got someone who may actually keep us in games for a change and gave up absolutely no one.
Bitching about this kind of stuff is literally unbelievable.
There was nothing good about this move...
the process and the results show that. It’s ridiculous to lose two players of any consequence for a player who has such a putrid major-league track record and think he’s magically going to be better.
He’s yet another player that deserves to be down in Iowa helping them to their worst team ERA or whatever irrelevant stat you want to be pretty sure about.
Lopez wouldn’t be in AAA at all if he didn’t suck. Some team would have plucked him from Atlanta for nothing when they had the chance. Instead, the Cubs made sure to do so in a manner that cost them two players. Nothing positive to see here, folks.
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by jameslcrockett on May 31, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
First of all, we traded 1 person in this deal - Buchter
Unless something has changed since the initial reports, that’s the trade i’m aware of.
Lopez had a 5.00 ERA with Arizona last year and had posted a 2.59 ERA in AAA with Atlanta.
Right now I’d bet the Cubs would KILL for replacing Coleman or Russell with a pitcher who only gave up 5 runs/9 IP. Also, that 5.00 ERA was over 33 starts, so it wasn’t like he didn’t pitch last year in the majors.
Buchter was absolutely going nowhere as a 24 year old in A+ with a BB/9 nearing 8. He was walking nearly a batter per inning! Let’s not act like we lost ANYTHING in this deal. A late 30th round draft pick and people are flipping out. Jeebus.
by bdlugz on May 31, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, just to back up my point.
Lopez has the following career major league numbers:
4.88 ERA, 4.69 FIP, 4.40 xFIP
He’s a perfectly acceptable 7th starter on ANY team, and better than any of the crap you’re advocating from Iowa.
by bdlugz on May 31, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Newsflash
This team isn’t going anywhere. The Ricketts know it, Quade knows it. So, put DeWitt out there and see what he can do.
And a big no to calling up Jackson at any point this year. No use starting his clock any sooner than necessary.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
Worked with Bobby Scales, why not DeWitt?
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by carmen_fanzone on May 30, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm tired of the "clock" argument.
If he’s the best player for the spot, put him there.
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I'm tired of the clock argument too...
Unfortunately, our franchise keeps acting like a small market club when it suits them. So, I’m not going to want them to prematurely make a player more expensive in a season that’s lost (followed by another season that likely will be lost). It’s a legitimate concern for every team in baseball (and their fans), unless you’re 100% sure it won’t cause problems down the road. The team has lost that benefit of the doubt over the last few years.
There’s just not enough benefit to bringing up Jackson this year, when the Cubs have an under-utilized “asset” in Colvin and can get a lot of value in having Jackson go to AAA first.
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by jameslcrockett on May 30, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
BJax just came off the DL tonight
He’s 0-3 with 3 Ks. He isn’t ready any more than Soto was ready. The organization are desperately trying to insert a magic player on to the roster and have instant success. There ain’t any, including Pujols right now. It’s not the offense that is the problem. We have the worst ERA in the league. One guy can’t fix that.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
The offense is a big problem.
The Cubs fail on all three aspects of winning baseball.
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by jameslcrockett on May 30, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs are 5th in the league in runs/game
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Yawn...
Of course you think it’s that simple, Mr. 1-4. Did you also know the Cubs have the highest BABIP in baseball, and it’s only led them to the 11th highest SLG%? A lot is going to have to go right for them to sustain that R/G stat. Nice try, though.
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by jameslcrockett on May 30, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
You realize that BABIP tends to be forced to fall with a high SLG??
So your argument about those two trending that was is pointless?
HRs are not counted as a ball in play, which increases the SLG (obviously) while lowering BABIP.
Let me put it another way then for you...
The only thing the Cubs do well offensively is hit singles. That’s it!
Last time I checked, singles don’t convert easily to the home runs you’re banking on saving the Cubs from the inevitable fall in BABIP. What you’re talking about justifies why the Yankees have the worst BABIP in baseball… it doesn’t pertain to this Cubs team.
This team just doesn’t hit for power, period. When you combine it with poor K rates, poor BB rates and no team speed, you end up with a team that won’t be able to sustain a 5th highest R/G stat.
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by jameslcrockett on May 31, 2011 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions
You seem to think I'm saying the Cubs are an impressive offensive team...
I’m simply pointing out the REASON you’re saying they suck is completely pointless and contradicts itself.
At the end of the day, whether it’s singles or HRs, the Cubs still have the 5th most runs/gm in the league.
The reason they have a high BABIP while doing so is because they don’t hit for power.
It's only contradictory if you don't really understand...
Apparently you think this team is going to start magically turning bloop singles into homers? Because that’s the only way a team’s BABIP goes down and their SLG% goes up… especially on a team like the Cubs who aren’t hitting a lot of warning track fly balls and doubles, etc. events that might actually progress with luck into homers.
I realize they have the 5th R/g right now… but a team with peripherals this bad won’t sustain that.
This team has no power, little speed (and only because of Campana) and doesn’t take walks. The only reason they are 5th in R/g is their ridiculously high number of singles based on their lucky BABIP. That’s all.
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by jameslcrockett on May 31, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
This is hilarious
It’s only contradictory if you don’t really understand…
That’s awesome since you clearly had NO idea that high BABIP follows with a low SLG. This statement above is my favorite:
Did you also know the Cubs have the highest BABIP in baseball, and it’s only led them to the 11th highest SLG%?
My point is that you CLEARLY don’t understand how BABIP and SLG relate, and that’s ALL i’m discussing. You’re flailing around like crazy trying to turn this around, but try as you might, you JUST can’t remove that sentence above proving that you, in fact, are the one who doesn’t really understand.
Have fun moving those goalposts though!
by bdlugz on May 31, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It only follows with a low SLG
IF you’re not hitting for power because you’re getting unlucky. This team isn’t getting unlucky. They’re getting incredibly lucky to even be posting the 11th highest SLG%. What you’re trying to say doesn’t apply to every team… only to teams that actually have power and/or speed. The Cubs have neither.
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by jameslcrockett on May 31, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Singles...
that’s all the Cubs have. No walks, no doubles, no triples… they have singles. The only way this team’s BABIP goes down and their SLG% goes up is if you can find some magical way to turn bloop singles into homers. Good luck with that.
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by jameslcrockett on May 31, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll be happy to make a wager you'll see a drastic change in both the SLG% and BABIP by August
And that the Cubs will still be top half of runs scored in the league.
$20 to JDRF? Let me know, im in.
Al, DeRosa was a 2B/SS/3B originally
Then teams started putting him in the OF. Then he became a 2B/3B/LF/RF.
That’s how it works. That’s what happened with Jeff Baker as well.
It’s just that Jim Hendry didn’t think it was necessary to have a decent 2B/3B/LF/RF in their organization after DeRosa left. And Bobby Scales doesn’t count.
So now, they’re trying DeWitt at it here, instead of at Iowa where nobody would really care.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe.
But the time to try this is in spring training, where, guess what? They didn’t do it.
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It is clear to me that they're trying to get enough AB to try and showcase him
He was going to be the starting 2B – why would they waste time playing him in LF? Nobody thought Barney was anything more than a backup.
He’s not going to get playing time anyplace in the IF, so getting a few starts in LF is the only way to get the AB whereby maybe by the grace of God somebody will give Hendry a C+ prospect in high-A for him.
The alternative is to send him to Iowa for a month and let him learn LF there. Personally, that’s what I would have done on May 1. But if they had, he’s STILL be back here with the other injuries.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
...and then it would be a defensible decision.
There was absolutely no excuse to have DeWitt play left today instead of Montanez or Snyder.
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by jameslcrockett on May 30, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Ramirez isn't being traded
Doesn’t his 16M option for 2012 get automatically picked up if he’s traded?
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
If traded, he gets to decide
Let’s see, do I want $2M or $16M? Shouldn’t require a lot of thinking….
do I want 2 million
plus a 2-3 year deal worth $10 mil per or risk that next year I decline even more and give up 3-4 million a year plus possibly the option of a multi-year deal…
Ramirez isn't getting a multi-year $10M/year deal after 2011
At best based on his last couple year, he’s looking at one of those “incentive laden” 1-year specials to prove he can still play. Even if he were to sign for moere than 1 year, he won’t get more than $14M, total.
3B is incredibly weak...
If he can come back and push to anywhere near career averages, there is a good shot he can get a 3/30 deal.
I don't think he has that comeback in him
He isn’t hurt and can’t get extra base hits to save his life. He may just be done.
His average is there this year, just no power.
I’d bet you it comes back to numbers near his career norm.
I think we are seeing a guy
who wants to be traded/who is done with this team…his bat will heat up as June wears on
by hansman1982 on May 31, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
So you'd bench Ramirez now against RHP for the rest of the season?
Yeah, that’s going to help land some good free agents down the road.
Whether you think it should matter or not, it matters. Look at the Bulls in the post-Jordan Jerry Krause era. No top line free agent wanted to come to play for Krause.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
No, but that beats putting DeWitt into LF
My preferred option would be to give ARam 1-2 days off a week (sure looks like he needs them), and work DeWitt into 2B every so often.
Exactly!
He was going to be the starting 2B – why would they waste time playing him in LF? Nobody thought Barney was anything more than a backup.
Thank you, that’s what I tried to say above, you just did it a lot better.
We'll all miss you Ron.
He won't be
Nobody thought Barney was anything more than a backup.
Don’t get too sold on Barney as our every day 2B, it wont be like that long term unless something goes terribly wrong for this team.
Why not?
I tend to agree with a lot of your comments bd, but I don’t think he’s given any reason to doubt him to this point. I realize his minors numbers don’t indicate he should succeed like this, but, as I heard Quade say in a presser about a week ago, “I’ve been saying Darwin has been a great overachiever, but maybe I’m wrong, maybe he’s just damn good.” (I could have misworded it a bit, that was from memory, but that’s the gist of the quote) I understand being cautious about him, but I don’t think him being a starter for a while isn’t an indication of something going “terribly wrong for this team”.
We'll all miss you Ron.
Because he's the type of player that needs to bad .310 + to hold his value.
Even playing way over his head (Whether what Quade said is true or whether he will regress is not important), he still only has a .333 OBP. He’s got a .311 BA, meaning he’s only walked 7 times in 206 PA, a 3.3 BB%.
Having such a low walk rate while holding an ISO of .078 is a dangerous combination, especially when he isn’t all that quick.
When you don’t walk much, don’t have power, and don’t have much speed, you’re in serious trouble as a hitter. Even if he improves his walk rate to 4% over the course of the year, in 550 PAs that 22 walks. If his average regresses at ALL to say, .300 for the season, you’re looking at 158 hits and 22 walks. A final line of .300/.327/.380.
Don’t get me wrong, he isn’t a BAD player. I just feel like if you’re relying on someone like that to anchor 2B for the future, you’re in trouble. We have a few guys in the minors who should be able to come up, offer similar defense production while adding power to the position, something Barney will never have.
At the end of the day, you simply can’t survive with a slower, no power, single hitting 2B with a 3.3 BB%.
That last sentence describes Ryan Theriot
But Barney has been better in the field and less prone to mental mistakes. Even with that, he should be planning to spend every ASB during his career at home.
Put it this way...
Theriot has a similar ISO at 0.70 and walks 2.5x as much at 8% on his career. That’s pretty drastic.
Also, Barney is actually showing a -5.2UZR/150. This is another reason I really don’t like stats for defense.
Barney is the type of player who is worth it under team control
But when he gets to arbitration, then maybe you want to consider moving him. He’ll get overpaid relative to the risk of his BA starting to decline.
But he does seem like a really prototypical #2 hitter, even with the low walk totals.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 31, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed on all but the #2 hitter part.
The low walk totals scare me away from him as a long term solution to bat 2nd.
And dont let that post fool you, I do like Barney on this team, just not as a long term starter.
You do make a ton of good points, a lot of those numbers I haven't really looked up
So I do understand where you’re coming from, and I understand the cautiousness. However, there are a few kind of “immeasurables” that Darwin seems to have. It seems he has the best approach at the plate, out of any of our hitters, that can partially be seen in the fact that he has a good number of RBIs while only having 1 HR, and the fact that his RISP numbers are so good. Hell, out of our entire team, he’s the guy I want coming to the plate right now with RISP, his approach is too good. The other thing is, I know he’s not fast, but I certainly don’t think he’s slow. He’s a smart enough player to swipe 15 bags a year I think, and his baserunning seems to be pretty phenomenal, not because he’s overly fast, but just because he understands it. Baserunning isn’t nearly as much about speed as it is about smarts.
We'll all miss you Ron.
I don't disagree with your thoughts.
Which is why I really like him on the team. I just don’t see him producing enough in the long run to hold the 2B from a more talented player.
He’ll (hopefully) be an incredible backup.
guess what 2 positions
Mark DeRosa played exclusively in the minors and majors before being given a shot in LF at the age of 26…
SS/2B - exactly 0 games in the outfield before the age of 26 and he developed into a super sub…
this kneejerk Quade/Hendry/Ricketts hate is making me vomit
by hansman1982 on May 30, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The mentality of the mob
is always in effect to some extent here, but now more than ever.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Mark Cuban and Bobby Valentine would have fixed this
Sorry, just practicing for later this year.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, but Cuban would never have hired Sandberg
He’d want somebody with more national star power.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 31, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Ryan Seacrest?
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Why all the talk about the offense?
They scored 7 runs. That should be enough to win. This is about starting pitching folks and the fact that Z and Dempster can’t pitch every day. I know that some of these offensive stats are disturbing but we knew this offense would be sub par from the beginning. If we would have lost Cashner, Wells, and Garza in Spring Training we would have expected this too.
by Ron Swanson on May 30, 2011 6:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
With his pyramid of greatness I think he'd be the veteran bench coach we're looking for

by Danwood on May 30, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Nice!
Bet your a$$ Ron Swanson could pitch. He just doesn’t want to.
Ron Swanson is my hero
Thanks for this!!!
by salparadise23 on May 30, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Amazing
I love Ron Swanson and hope to be like him in all facets of life.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 31, 2011 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
When it was 3-2 at the end of one inning...
I told my Dad the final would be 14-12. Hey, I got the 12 part right…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Anybody see Quade's quote about Lopez
“he was fine today” was he watching a different game than the rest of us?
He stopped to take a nap after the 4th inning.
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6 runs in 4 1/3
Better than Russell, I guess
by salparadise23 on May 30, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Does Quade have a cool nickname for him yet?
That’s how you know he’s really one of the boys.
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
kevron gregilman
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on May 30, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
You gotta put this in the context of the rest of his response about Lopez.
In all honesty, after what I saw today, I want Lopez to be the 5th starter over Davis, and maybe Davis goes into long relief. But if they’re flip-flopped that would be okay.
We'll all miss you Ron.
If Davis doesn't start, he goes on permanent summer vacation
And based on today, Lopez will soon follow. At least Coleman isn’t old….
So many things to be bummed out about, I don't know where to begin but...
…I’ll start with: what makes anybody think that the Cubs are going to make some splashy free agent signing in the off season? Even if that would make a difference (and, at this point I think we have WAY too many problems to be solved by one signing)…from what I’m reading, Ricketts is stretched so thin from the 450 million that he had to finance (nearly 35 million in yearly interest payments alone) that we have, in essence, essentially become a mid-market team.
This might account for his otherwise illogical loyalty to Kenney and Hendry-I’m not sure he wants new guys coming in who want to mak big changes because that could cost money that he doesn’t have right now.
I have a bad feeling that we’re looking at the return of Carlos Pena next year (that is, if we can afford him).
what makes anybody think that the Cubs are going to make some splashy free agent signing in the off season?
because absolutely no one will give a crap about this team if they dont
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on May 30, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
If we some how trade for David Wright, I'd be ok with Pena...
Pena will get red hot in september in meaningless games and be signed to a 3 year contract worth 25 million.
by BadDecisions on May 30, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm waiting to sign Fielder to a 3/28 contract instead of getting Wright
Fielder will like Chicago. He’ll take more money, right??
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
That is all the Cubs need - a 3B with a bad back
He could make a matched set with the LF with bad legs.
Well...
I’m not sure he wants new guys coming in who want to make big changes because that could cost money that he doesn’t have right now.
If an owner has any balls, he lets his new hires KNOW the amount he wants/needs to spend.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on May 30, 2011 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
That would seem logical
But nothing I’ve seen of Ricketts shows any indication that he has the slightest clue what he’s doing when it comes to the baseball side of the opeartion.
I think he thinks he bought a really cool circus that just happens to include baseball games too.
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
God
that interview in the bleachers was brutal.
And real quiet after giving up a 3 run lead…..
by salparadise23 on May 30, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
The minute i saw Ricketts I knew what was coming
The fact that he insists on staying so visible given the product he’s fronting gives me a very bad feeling that much of this is an ego trip for him.
I wish he’d follow a guy like Rocky Wirtz’s lead-he’s totally fan friendly, etc., but doesn’t insist on making himself teh public face of the organization. And considering how he’s produced, he could probably get away with it. He has different priorities though-like winning.
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
All the kids coming up
could probably sell their comic books and Big Wheels….
by salparadise23 on May 30, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Ricketts is not going broke.
Since he acquired the Cubs the Ameritrade stock has risen resulting in a capital gain over $400M.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
The father still owns that stock, not Tom
And finance guys don’t put follow up money into leveraged acquisitions. The Cubs have to pay for the purchase with their own cash flow. If cash flow goes down, cut payroll.
The family owns the stock
just as the family owns the team. The family investment in AMTD was sold to pay for their $350M. Regardless of what approach the financiers take. The net worth of the family was brought back to the same value it was before acquisition.
And until the books are opened , i’m not holding a fund raiser for the Ricketts. As you know, the real gain is the value of the asset over years. The Trib did alright and so will Ricketts.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Don't hold your breath for them to chip in more money unless the team finances collapse
The cavalry ain’t coming.
I fell off a turnip truck
and even i didn’t suspect that would happen.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
The Cubs are a stand alone...
…business, you don’t think they are going to go dipping into the Ameritrade stock to fund the Cubs do you?
With the product on the field and seats becoming more vacant, the revenue decline this year will be substantial. If Ricketts is thinking long and hard about this, I would be surprised.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
That is my concern, too
Based on an article in Forbes, the Ricketts family borrowed over 8x earnings before interest, taxes, and depreciation to buy the Cubs. That’s a lot in the leveraged finance world, and usually produces financial stress in firms that have that much debt. If Joe doesn’t sign a check to even out the debt service, we may see a continuing downward spiral of payroll.
Exactly
People are walking around here like Ricketts has a giant bag of money that he’s holding on to until he can lavish it on big ticket free agents. Unfortunately that bag doesn’t exist.
We’ll be lucky to afford Pena next year.
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs are already paying Pena $5M in 2012
And before anyone says that doesn’t matter, I’m pretty sure the team is facing a cash flow loan covenant that treats Pena’s contract as $5M in 2011 and $5M in 2012.
Correct...
…with about 25-30 mil a year in debt service and attendance being down (with it likely to continue), the Cubs will likely have their worst financial year for sometime in 2011.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Would Ricketts turn around and try to sell, if the financial hit in the next couple years becomes too much for him?
Doubt it....
…he just needs to wake up and realize what it takes to even think about building something like the Red Sox have.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Call me a pessimist but...
…I have a nervous feeling that if Ricketts doesn’t get it by now then he’s never going to get it.
I mean, it’s not like you need to be a genius to connect the dots here.
by bluekoolaide on May 31, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
The upcoming draft and off season will be very telling
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Just profoundly sad
I was at the game today and didn’t hear the Ricketts interview about how cool it was to go to Boston. He wandered through the upper deck for a bit around the time the bullpen was collapsing and most of the comments yelled his way were along the lines of “hey Tom, we need some pitching” and “get rid of Soriano’s contract.” He headed away from our section. I’m a long time fan (40+ years) and want to see the Ricketts succeed but I’m afraid they’re too focused on “the Wrigley experience” instead of the product on the field, which is quickly becoming Triple-A at best.
by arlingtoncubsfan on May 30, 2011 7:20 PM CDT reply actions
That's just great.
As many of us said here many times, “Wing Tip” Crane Kenney and Tom like to emulate everything Cubbie on the Red Sox success.
Except for good baseball management and winning.
Funny, isn't it how that part seems to go completely over their heads?
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
You have a valid point.
If you asked them the question, “Why do the Red Sox have 600+ consecutive sellouts?” and the answer is anything other than “Because they make the playoffs almost every year, contend when they don’t, and have won two World Series in the last decade”, that would indicate they don’t get it.
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I'm almost afraid to hear them answer that question...
…because this is a time when I really don’t want my suspicions to be true.
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Sarcasm. The only way Cubs fans can survive seasons like this.
You got to love this website, it cheers me up after pathetic losses like this one (there were a couple lately).
I remember reading that back in the 50's, the Wrigleys sold Wrigley Field...
…as a great place to take the family for a picnic-baseball was basically an afterthought.
Sad to see that some fifty years later, the new owner is following basically the same template.
On a side note
I tried a new BBQ sauce today – Sweet Baby Rays Raspberry Chipotle – and this stuff is AWESOME! OK back to Cubs suckage comments.
Nice-gotta try that
thanks for taking my mind of my misery for a few seconds
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
And the Sox are stinking up the South Side, too.
Can’t hurt to keep that in mind.
Remarkable
that this organization can not get outs. I understand the injuries. Losing 2 starters, getting one back, then lose another starter is tough for any team.
But to have Coleman, Russell, Lopez, and Davis go a combined 3-14 in the games that they have started ( according to my calculations) Then throw in Maine, Mateo, Stevens and you have pitchers that no one would ever want. And I know Shark has done better this year, however 24 walks in 28 innings and a WHIP of 1.58 is not that good. And in Iowa there is not a pitcher that can help the Cubs. This is on the GM. I understand the injuries and the Silva mess. But please can you find someone out to get someone out.
One other number. Cubs have walked 204 batters in 442 innings. Ranked 16th in the NL.
This season is toast. Quade is toast. Sure throw out the argument the team sucks, the injuries etc.. Well I am sure he was the one who put with staff together along with his long time bud Hendry. Quade’s job is to manage. Make it work, find the right pieces. Well playing DeWitt in left, hitting Rami 4th forever, and the pitching management has shown he is not cut out for this job. Sadly he will be in the dugout come opening day next year. What a mess.
Happy Memorial day to all the service members who serve, and who are currently serve. From a Air Force vet to all, Happy Memorial day.
And Al I love the hats, LOL.
The "wish he were here" wasted guy is not Silva in my opinion, it's Gorzelanny.
He wasn’t an ace when he was with the team. However he could provide 3 things: innings, experience, strikes. What else do you want from a 6th starter? Not much in my book.
I have no idea why the Cubs got rid of him so easily.
Money
face it-the Cubs are in “budget mode” these days.
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
They got rid of him
because he was one of the few pieces they could move that had good value.
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by NobodySpecial on May 30, 2011 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
They got rid of him to save $2M
The “prospects” they got are sucking wind or buried deep in low A ball.
Right
It was a salary dump. Simple as that. Better get used to it too.
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Funny I forgot about Gorzo
I couldn’t understand the reason for that trade, until I realized after a while that the new ownership is going to strip payroll and the days of top 5 payrolls is over. Which I have no objection to, however spend money correctly, getting rid of Gorzo for 2M was dumb.
Gorzo was more
trading a player at the perceived peak of his value…had we held onto him – and no injuries occured to the rotation (it was a fairly healthy rotation before this year) then he gets thrown into the bullpen and used there for a couple of months and would have been worth NOTHING to other teams…
Jim sold high when he thought we had enough depth…unfortunately Silva imploded and we have lost 60% of our rotation.
I've tried to point this out dozens of times...
It seems no one really wants to grasp the idea that it wasn’t as stupid as they think.
No, because it would give them one less club
to bash Hendry over the head (as if there weren’t enough of those already).
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 31, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Because 1 club makes or breaks the bashing, eh?
Can we impose a BCB rule, similar to golf? Only 14 clubs allowed in the bag at any given time?
But Silva imploded in 2010 and no team gets through a year without someone in the rotation missing significant time
Silva’s high water mark was the end of june. After that he was givning up HOF numbers, with a .371 BA against him in July, with a couple of serious shellings. He got bad before he hit the DL.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=silvaca01&t=p&year=2010
And it’s not like Hendry got valuable gifts for a MLB-quality pitcher traded at the “peak” of his value. Burgess had excelled in the minors for exactly one 21-game stint in AA; he is now hitting a whopping .196 in Daytona. Hicks has looked a little better, but he is still in low-A ball in his 4th year as a pro.
we are also talking
about a guy who’s peak value was a #4 starter…
Hendry’s thought process was hoping to get to the middle of May with the rotation he had, Silva being an acceptable #6 starter, Coleman being an acceptable #7 starter and Jackson being the #8 starter
Unfortunately, Silva forced the release, Coleman is an acceptable #7 starter that was forced to be a #4 and Jackson was injured and hasnt returned to form yet…
It was a risk to trade Gorzo and as we have seen in the past 2 years every single risk Hendry has taken has blown up in his face
by hansman1982 on May 31, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I've seen Burgess play a few times
You decided not to mention his 8 HRs this year and 31 RBIs. And I think .196 is more of an exception rather than the rule, he’s a .251 career minor league hitter and just last year hit .284 in AA.
We'll all miss you Ron.
WOW .251?
THAT’S AWESOME!
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes they got GREAT value
for a left handed starting pitcher. NOT
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on May 31, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
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Also, I find a lot of irony in the anger that Rami is still hitting in 4th
When most were calling for him to hit 3rd a few weeks ago.
We'll all miss you Ron.
Would it really matter?
He’s on pace for six HR and 54 RBI.
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No, I'm not saying it would change his numbers much, if at all.
I’m saying he was hailed as our best hitter a few weeks ago and now all I see is how he should be dropped considerably lower. It’s never as bad as it seems (or vice versa), he’ll figure it out, I’d be shocked if he doesn’t.
We'll all miss you Ron.
He was considered the best of a bad situation
and, it apparently needs to be pointed out, people just ASSUMED that sooner or later his power was going to come back. Now, two days from June he has 2 homers.
There’s a reason people’s opinions changed.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes. It's weird how situations change with the passage of time.
I know. I don’t like it either.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 30, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Everyone is forgetting the Balk!!!!
Would of loved to see Quade go out there and atleast talk the umps about it. Instead he clapped his hands like a cheerleader and rooted for his team to win.
God, has that part of his act grown thin
He looks like a little league manager when he goes into cheerleader mode. Somebody REALLY needs to take him aside and explain that he’s in the majors now. The Triple A crap doesn’t apply anymore.
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Not sure how Bob missed it. He clearly stepped behind the mound.
Yea, I can understand him not seeing it from the OF
But you would think he would pick it up on the replay. However, the only replay they showed was a horrible angle, which didn’t help his situation.
We'll all miss you Ron.
The only real question
is if the pitcher got off the rubber. If he did, then it’s not a balk. if he didn’t then definitely it’s a balk. Unfortunately the replays didn’t show that. But the real problem was Quade’s lack of protest.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
You can fake to second or third from the pitching rubber
by Shanghai Badger on May 30, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
The balk rule 8.05 (a)
The pitcher, while touching his plate, makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch and fails to make such delivery; If a lefthanded or righthanded pitcher swings his free foot past the back edge of the pitcher’s rubber, he is required to pitch to the batter except to throw to second base on a pick off play.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
8.05 (c)
It is possible, with runners on first and third, for the pitcher to step toward third and not throw, merely to bluff the runner back to third; then seeing the runner on first start for second, turn and step toward and throw to first base.
Although it doesn’t mention second.
by Shanghai Badger on May 31, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know why we're talking about second though? lol
It was clearly a bluff to third
We'll all miss you Ron.
Because I may have made an incorrect statement about 2nd above
And I was acknowledging that it might be wrong.
by Shanghai Badger on May 31, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Quade's "lack of protest" isn't a problem if it's not a balk
And it wasn’t. They didn’t show a good replay, but if you go back and watch it live, and slow it down, which is exactly what I did an hour or two ago, it is pretty clear.
We'll all miss you Ron.
I for one look forward to 2012.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
its not 2011, 2010, 2009
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on May 30, 2011 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Off the books post-2011: Fukudome, Aramis, Pena, Grabow, Baker, Davis, Johnson, Hill, DeWitt
Off the books in post-2012: Dempster, Zambrano, Hendry, Quade
Some arb guys n other stuff thrown in one of those years: Garza, Soto, Smkaiue98349jajjaja
Lots of changes, one way or the other.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
you sound so sure that hill will be gone
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on May 30, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
You forgot Wood off the books.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981
I didn't include Wood or Byrd.
They seem useful.
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What's the status on Soriano?
Sheesh it seems like half the team has been injured this season. You really can’t put too much blame on Quade and Hendry because of the immense injuries.
Garza P
Wells P
Cashner P
Soto C
Pena 1B
Baker 2B
Soriano LF
Byrd CF
Johnson CF
Almost enough injuries to fill a roster
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
Yeah, Quade and Hendry have done a GREAT job
Without all of the injuries I think we’d be right in the thick of the hunt for fourth place.
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not a Quade supporter at all, but you can't say it is all his fault
I still think he shouldn’t be our manager at the end of the year. I think Quade has done some ridiculous stuff. Take for example: James Russell is to Quade as Neifi Perez is to Dusty. there seems to be some bond between the two that we don’t understand. And I think Neifi Perez starting SS and batting 2nd was better than Russell starting. And I was NOT a Dusty supporter.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
Rather than be a broken record and say this team is awful
Let’s just look on the bright side. George Lucas never ruined Chewbacca.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010) and Ron Santo (February 25, 1940-December 2, 2010).
If you disagree with me in any way, you are wrong.
Tupac is almost back alive?
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Depends on how you define "almost" :]
(Seems PBS got hacked and lost control for several hours)
I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".
Aha!!! Well said!
I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".
I listened to Ricketts on WGN
and I do like his drive and like the fact he is an smart, optimistic guy. Seems down to earth also.
But if he doesn’t make drastic changes to this organization then he will never gain the full respect of the fans.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
But he sets one hell of a ballpark menu
That totally makes up for the monumentally crappy product he’s foisted on us
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's cool that he's trying to improve the park.
It appears to be too high of a priority of his at this point though.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
He's basically following the exact model of PK Wrigley which was...
…to sell the park and then it won’t matter if you have a losing baseball team.
We all know how that plan worked out long term.
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Luckily the attendance figures are quickly proving him wrong.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Somehow I have a feeling that he's not connecting the dots yet...
…and is telling dad that everything will be fine once the weather improves and the kids are out of school.
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, no real changes are going to be made before the end of the season
So he’ll see how wrong he is about that before it comes time to clean house.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
I really hope you're right
Because I shudder to think how crowded the ledge is going to be if he maintains the staus quo (again) after this year.
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
If the FO remains intact after this season, I will lose all faith in Tom.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Why do you say...
that it’s likely that Soriano is going to the DL? Didn’t see the play at all so I’m curious. Did he walk off on his own?
Jackson has struggled today
3 PA and 3 Ks.
I still think Flaherty should get the call before Colvin and Jackson.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
Eh
Bring Colvin up again. Every start against RHPs should be his in LF. See if he can get some of his 2010 mojo back.
Didn't see it...
…but if he had to helped off, it ain’t good.
That thing is going to tighten up like you wouldn’t believe and will be worse tomorrow than it was today.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
At least it was a beautiful afternoon outside!
Nice sitting with you Al… look forward to the next time.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
by SackMan on May 30, 2011 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
surprised to not see more chatter on the decision to let
Samardija bat for himself in a key moment of the game. I honestly tuned away from the game for a couple innings and did not see if there was a reason for the non double switch that would have put someone else up in that spot, but to me it was pretty painful to have him bat there and the TV booth seemed a little taken aback as well.
i should clarify
i wasn’t saying he should have been lifted after only 1/3 of an inning, but more the decision that a double switch was not done when he came into the game initially.
by BeltwayCubsFan on May 30, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 30, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Pretty much sums it up
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Reality sa
This…Season…Is…Over. And quite frankly, it was over on Opening Day with the offense and pitching staff they decided to run out there in 2011. This isn’t an “I told you so” post even though I’ve said this team wasn’t good enough to contend from Day 1.
Rather, its a reality check for some of you. This team is BAD. Injuries are not an excuse. Cold weather, rain, wind, day games, night games, inexperience, discomfort….none of those excuses work either. This team is NOT particularly talented when entirely healthy and is arguably the worst team in baseball when not healthy. It’s manager is in way over his head and from top to bottom, the organization is below the standards of a contending major league franchise.
It is what it is….and this season, as ugly as it is right now, can absolutely, positively get worse….and it is very likely it will. There are so many players in the upper levels of this organization that no longer belong on a major league field, or never belonged there in the first place, that Wrigley should be a ghost town by the end of July.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
So wait...
This isn’t an "I told you so" post even though I’ve said this team wasn’t good enough to contend from Day 1.
Is it an “I told you so” post?
We'll all miss you Ron.
Another "reality" post
God, this is wonderful.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Another tempest-in-a-teapot false controversy
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
You're just happy it's not Vic Harris playing the OF
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh man, this might have to be my sig - it's too classic.
Bookmarking this page for hundreds of future uses.
What?? That has nothing to do with my point...
You deflect any argument with hyperbole, sarcasm and straw man arguments. I don’t question your knowledge about the Cubs, but I think you already know that wasn’t my point.
The hilarity is that you claim he can’t offer a straight answer, when I’ve never seen anyone more nimble when it comes to dodging questions than you.
The quality of the team doesn't surprise me in the least.
What surprises me is how often Quade looks (or acts) clueless. For a guy that had such good success late last year, this is a complete 180, totally different manager.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I don't believe in Fate
But if you do, Fate has to play cruel jokes on the Cubs. The success of the Cubs late last season prompted the hiring of Quade and the booting of Sandberg. Now I’m not saying that Sandberg would have been the answer to all the problems with this team. What I am saying is that putting anyone else in the managerial position last season was a breath of fresh air. Whether that influenced the play of the team is debatable, but they were also playing well in meaningless games. Such a thing is a poor metric to judge a potential manager, but it’s all they had. As NBF said in times past (stone me from bringing this point up), the Cubs were going to go with someone more experienced because that’s the general rule of any business.
So did the Cubs performing well in 2010 come back to bite the Cubs? We’ll never really know who Sandberg’s managerial career will pan out. The Cubs are a long way from contention anyway. We can write off this season and, unless the Cubs somehow get a run of good fortunate, next season as well. Albert Pujols isn’t the answer to their problems and they shouldn’t break the bank to get him unless the only goal of this franchise is to put butts in seats for a little while.
Moral of the story? Forget this big market vs. small market crap. This franchise needs direction. It’s that simple. There’s no one good reason why the Chicago Cubs have had their run of bad luck over the last century. There are many reasons. I gave up all hope that it could ever happen after the 2008 collapse, but that doesn’t stop me from being a fan. NBF can make whatever rude post he wants about this, but I honestly don’t care. No one even has to agree with me here. I said my piece and that’s it.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010) and Ron Santo (February 25, 1940-December 2, 2010).
If you disagree with me in any way, you are wrong.
Minor point
“performing well at the end of 2010”
Thanks.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010) and Ron Santo (February 25, 1940-December 2, 2010).
If you disagree with me in any way, you are wrong.
Yawn
Your act is tired.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
No, I'd say posts like yours
are extremely, exteremly tired.
I’m assuming you’re replying to my post.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you trying to get banned again?
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 30, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like you will get your wish...Rather than play an OF in LF your guy Quade will play your boy DeWitt in LF......AMAZING!!!!
If it's between DeWitt, Montanez, and Snyder
Good. Mostly vs RHP. I’m sure Montanez will start against LHP.
We'll all miss you Ron.
I never was banned
in the first place. Get your facts straight, for once.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 30, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry Krummy12
I told you so’s is old and tired. Goodness I hope you feel better that you scolded everyone that didn’t see it your way.
I think if everyone comes to Soup Club they won't be so mean to each other.
Hell, SWL and I met in Missoula to practice our knot tying, it was a blast.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
At this point, NOTHING Quade says or does would surprise me...
…with the possible exception of him saying or doing something marginally competent.
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
what if his head split open and an alien space ship came out
would that surprise you?
I'm going to the 2012 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp!!! Who's with me?
by VegasCubFan on May 30, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Or if he discovered that the moon was made of ribs
And asked you if he should eat them?
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 30, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
The reason Colvin was sent down was so he could play....He wasnt sitting because of DeWitt...
He wasnt playing because of the overpriced players ahead of him.
Either Jackson of Colvin should be brought up tomorrow and put in the lineup.
Playing DeWitt instead is flat out stupid.
I thought Hendry criticized him for not hitting when he sent him down.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Ok 10 AB's a week....still sucks for some one who hit 20 HRs last year in part time play.
But you have to play the contracts…..and when you dont have that, you have to play Blake DeWitt
Except that he didn't actually GET 10 at bats a week. Let alone that .33
He got quite a few at bats early in the season, and then was going long periods of time without an at bat.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Since this team is going nowhere this year...
…it makes perfect sense to bring Colvin back and let him play regularly.
That’s as good a reason as any to expect the Cubs to do something completely the opposite.
by bluekoolaide on May 30, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
well, DeWitt did go 3 for 4 today
you HAVE to leave that kind of production in the lineup
I'm going to the 2012 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp!!! Who's with me?
by VegasCubFan on May 30, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
DeWitt isnt tradeable
as a 3rd baseman – as a sort of super-sub he has value…
by hansman1982 on May 31, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
How about production?
DeWitt’s not a very good hitter either.
It’s a win-win
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
god we have an absolute moron as a manager
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Mist
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
by eths on May 30, 2011 11:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Team wins, nobody posts
Team loses, almost 600 posts.
I know I’m as guilty as anybody, but I think that says something.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 31, 2011 1:52 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Yes, and?
You do realize that you yourself contribute on these losing game threads as well, right?
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on May 31, 2011 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions
It says that Bruce is just spewing bullshit like usual
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say "nobody posts" after a win.
Some still find negative things to say anyway. :)
Not that I blame anyone at this point.
Fasten those seat belts...
I think what it says is that misery loves company
I know that I like to commiserate with people who I feel can relate to my frustration.
But, that being said, I sure find it much more enjoyable to post when the Cubs are doing well.
by bluekoolaide on May 31, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a fair assessment
I just think the point is that the “misery loves company” around here is a little extreme.
We'll all miss you Ron.
What is fun is watching the same people come to the Cubs defense to excuse every stupid decision made.
And there are a lot of them.
Todays will be Blake DeWitt in LF followed by many in game ones by the caoching staff.
When many people rip absolutely everything they do,
any defense seems like too much, I guess.
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 31, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Hyperbole.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Hogwash.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
flibberdeegibbet
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Do you know what Hyperbole is?
I guess I should have asked this long ago. I just assumed that since you use it so often, you were bound to understand what it was.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 31, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to stir up too much here...
But is there anything that the Cubs have done this year that they’ve received praise here for?
Honest question.
Off the top of my head the only thing I got is...
Giving Darwin Barney the 2nd base job out of ST.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
You're free to list all the other decisons they've made that have flown under the radar that haven't recieved enough praise.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
::crickets::
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd say developing talent
Pushing money to sign Szczur to skip football.
Marmol improving as a pitcher.
Marshall having a hell of a year.
No, this isn’t a great year, but doom and gloom seems a little over the top. We all knew they’d suck this year, and we’re still surprised and outraged? meh.
How does Marmol improving and Marshall having a good year relate to anything the Cubs have DONE?
I get the Szczur thing though.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't mean things that management has done...
Just was referring to bright spots in general, whether signings, improvements, etc.
Ah, gotcha...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
that was shocking, yet a rare good thing....
for every good move they make they cancel it out with 10 bad ones
I'm down with dollar hot dogs and three dollar beers.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Of course you are, ya lush
SBN brought the Chivas ads on here just for you, ya know?
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on May 31, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Who cares?
I hardly watch anymore because I’d honestly would rather do something else than watch this team every day. At least when the Saints had bad years, I could still watch every game and tell myself that the NFL season was short. This isn’t the case with baseball season. Watching the Cubs this season is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. You eventually get bored with the spectacle.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010) and Ron Santo (February 25, 1940-December 2, 2010).
If you disagree with me in any way, you are wrong.
agreed
I need to manage my blood pressure
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Once they're officially eliminated
and there is no longer any hope, I want to see them lose 100+. That would set the tone for the offseason nicely.
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
tickets
I just bought tickets to the series in August in Atlanta and feel like I wasted my money, dammit.
THIS IS THE YEAR!
by CubsPanthersTarHeels on May 31, 2011 12:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hey, the Braves could be in the middle of a tight race for the NL East with Philly and Florida by then...
that’s all I got.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, good for my bro-in-law the Braves fan. Not me. I’ll be looking like the d-bag wearing my Cubs gear when we’re 20 games out of first place.
THIS IS THE YEAR!
by CubsPanthersTarHeels on May 31, 2011 1:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Dude, wearing the colors of your team when they suck doesn't make you a d-bag.
if makes you a fan.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I got Cub-Cardinal tickets in St. Louis in September. I will wear my Cub Jersey without hesitation.
This team sucks really bad and is run like a circus but I don’t switch teams. I am sure i will take my licks at the game. But that is part of the fun…..
I wonder if I will get to see a team clinch for the first time?
Its possible….
Yeah I know, I was just messing. I’m usually the most optimistic Cubs fan around, but its been tough lately. Maybe they’ll surprise me by mid-August…
THIS IS THE YEAR!
by CubsPanthersTarHeels on May 31, 2011 1:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Injuries haven't helped us.....
but ALL teams have them!We just have far too many glaring weaknesses to compete!But as a die hard fan I like you TJ will NEVER abandon my team like some bandwagoner’s do! GO CUBS!
Ok, Cubs are almost certainly out of contention...
So when do we expect the “24-13 Quade led Cubs” to start winning these “meaningless” games? Let’s look forward to seeing this team go 71-39 the rest of the way!! Go Quades, I mean Cubbies!
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva

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