Interesting ESPN article on Ryno in Philly
This was talked about in one of the game threads tonight so I thought I would find it and read it. I don't know if he would have been a good manager for the Cubs, but he couldn't have been worse than Quade.
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wow
any hopes I had in him coming back to Chicago are now dashed….he takes another losing minor league team and makes winners out of them
thanks for finding that LT
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
I read this one yesterday
The Cubs passed on another one, it seems.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010) and Ron Santo (February 25, 1940-December 2, 2010).
If you disagree with me in any way, you are wrong.
I think he'd come back
if Hendry was fired. Of course, Hendry would never hire him, so that’s not going to be an issue.
by Josh Timmers on May 31, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
A new GM offers him a major league manager job and
he’ll come back.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
The Cubs passed...
on a legend for Mike freaking Quade. How’s that move looking now, Hendry? Can’t wait til he’s fired. Maybe some day, with a different regime, Ryno can come back home.
I hope Ryno gets to the show as a manager and wins a ring
Just to stick it to Jim Hendry.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010) and Ron Santo (February 25, 1940-December 2, 2010).
If you disagree with me in any way, you are wrong.
Hendry did Ryno a huge favor
No manager could win with this team..
I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
Sad how few people realize this...
Also, a little weird to see how friggin anointed Sandberg is…It’s like Wally Bachman here in NY…minor league coaching success doesn’t really mean all that much. What does anyone here know about Sandberg’s managerial style beyond words like “fiery,” “fundamentals” and “accountability?”
I'm not anointing Sandberg or think he could have contended with this team even tho I wish he was the manager right now...
I think he would have been a good option with all the veterans at the end of their contracts and the Cubs bringing up the younger players….some of the Sandberg fans may be wrong about him, but not for the reasons you’re implying.
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Why would he be good with all the veterans at the end of their contracts and the Cubs bringing up
younger players? Just ’cause?
not what I meant,
because they are at the end of their contracts, Sandberg would focus on the players coming up from the minors, and because he was a minor league manager, maybe he could have had a better handle on what to do with them (the young guys) once they came up. I’m saying this with the thought that our farm system is what our future is and maybe it would have been a good idea to get a manager who had experience with the farm system, dopey right? I didn’t think this was a “just because” reason….I still have a simple mind when it comes to these things, sometimes simple works :)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
I'm not sure why Sandberg would be more likely to play the young guys just because...
he was a minor league manager at some point. So was Quade, and we haven’t even gotten halfway through the season yet. He found ABs for LeMahieu and Colvin today and there’s something wrong with that for many…
Sandberg would be just as saddled down by these vets as Quade is. If anything, it might be worse because Cubs fans would EXPECT Sandberg to win something with these vets. We’ll see plenty of young players as the year moves on…we’ve seen plenty already…all that’s done is caused a few posters here to long for guys like Diamond/ABD/Ortiz/Montanez/Snyder.
you're probably right about Sandberg being expected to win, that would frustrate me.
…say after Q’s contract was up…and you could choose anyone as manager, big contracts gone, say we have either Rami or Sori here still, but most of the players are from the minors oh and we have Fielder or Pujols :) who would it be? I’m not familiar with alot of managers, so I’ll look him up.
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
gotcha
anyway, thanks for taking the time with me to give me your take on Quade vs Sandberg, I’m going to try and be more forgiving, if anything, to the guy that’s stuck with this team :)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
That's what it's all about...
…fundamentals and accountability, neither of which applies to Mike Quade.
If you’re not looking for fundamentals and accountability then WHAT THE HELL IS IT ALL ABOUT!!!
So fundamentals...the ability to field ones position..
…the ability to hit a cut off man, the ability to run the bases, situational hitting, cutting down your swing with two strikes, the ability to move a runner over with less than two outs, ect…..These are things that Quade was supposed to provide…Coaching!!!
To professionals?
How’s he supposed to go about changing Soriano’s game? Ramirez’s game? Fukudome’s game? Byrd’s game? Pena’s game? What exactly should he be doing? Those are 5 of the starters on the team, including the whole outfield.
Even minor leaguers…they need to be taught major league fundamentals at the major league level? Are they that bad?
this is well said
yikes…I can’t agree or disagree, lol
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
As the Cubs continue to slide
the Ryno love goes into high gear.
I’d love to see how St. Ryno would have Soriano running all over left field, diving, making great catches and hitting the cutoff man. Soriano would be going to the opposite field. He wouldn’t swing at pitches a foot outside the zone.
And I didn’t even mention the clutchiness he would be teaching every player.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Chicago's grit factor would be
well over 9,000.
We’d be a haven for grit. Only the grittiest players would come out to be one of Sandberg’s Boys, as they’d grow to become affectionately called.
Ask the Tigers how hiring a legend on a crappy works out...
This team sucks. It would’ve sucked with Ryno. Why tarnish his legacy with Russell, Coleman, Lopez, Hill, etc…
dont you think even if the win/loss would be the same,
he would have played our future more and our big money players less? I think that’s why he wasn’t hired. He probably came right out and said it. I can’t see him benching the new guys coming up like Quade does. It was a requirement for the job.
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
I dunno coolio, that kind of seems like a stretch
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
a turd is a turd
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on Jun 1, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a huge assumption...
to just hand him a point.
Anything to bury Quade though…the man is a destroyer.
I think he may return someday...
quite a few years down the road.
Looking at the situation, really, last fall you could either go with a minor league manager or a guy who just won enough ball games to put you over a 100 wins in a full season. I think the Cubs made the right choice after making the WRONG choice in naming Quade to be the interim manager.
Whatever, whats another 100 years.
The Cubs definitely made the right choice
Things would be no different with Ryno in charge right now. Except some fans wouldn’t be bitching about the manager nearly as much, I guess.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 1, 2011 12:33 AM CDT reply actions
Just keep sticking with that......I hope you are enjoying the season....You got what you wanted- Mike Quade......and you defend his moves everyday.
Even Al has turned on him.
While Quade is not helping this team win more ball games
I really doubt having a Sandberg or even Joe McCarthy would make more than a few games difference. The injuries, the poor roster construction and under performing players are the cause of this years Cub failures.
Quade’s bad decisions are just another thing wrong with this team, not the cause.
Well, then, Al is wrong, too
If those two resumes are on your desk — and I’m not necessarily saying those were the two best candidates — than Quade is an easy pick.
Just like Quade wasn’t the reincarnation of Miller Huggins after the tail end of last season, he isn’t the second coming of Jim Essian after the first part of this one.
Perspective is a nice thing, and it’s something a lot of Cubs fans don’t seem to have anymore.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 1, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What was the main difference in the resumes?
Quade had been a minor league manager longer? Looks like there was a reason he was one for so long.
by LT on Jun 1, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Quade was Randy Bush's college roommate?
Seriously, that happened.
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Al certainly isn't defending Quade's moves every day!
The major difference between Quade and Sandberg’s resumes were that Quade was the interim manager in 2010, had been a minor league manager for way longer, and (perhaps most importantly for getting that interim gig) that Quade was college roommates with Bush, and he and Hendry go way back.
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Good ol' boys club strikes again.
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
We don't know if Ryno is going to be a good manager yet
but we do know that Quade is a major fail. It’s time for Hendry to hit the road. We can’t afford him to bumble any more decisions.
by LT on Jun 1, 2011 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions
No, we don't know Quade is a major fail
He’s less than one-third into his first season. Only Cubs fans would declare someone “major fail” after such a small sample.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 1, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Excuse me
but my little league manager made better decisions that this guy. I don’t know that any other manager would be winning many more games with the current talent, but the current manager is in over his head.
by LT on Jun 1, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
You're making a dumb argument here
Nobody else would be any better, but this guy sucks. Why? Because you don’t agree with some of his moves?
I think you’ve all lost your minds.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 1, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I think we can say "the talent level stinks" AND still say "this manager is making counterproductive moves."
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All managers make stupid decisions.
I have Yankee fan friends who hate Girardi. I watch the Yankees probably as much as they do and maybe even a little more. I think he handles the pitching staff, rotation and bullpen, better than most of the managers in the league.
The only manager in baseball who seems to avoid public lashings is Francona, who’s earned it and probably then some.
Fredi Gonzalez was a top of the line manager prospect when he left the Braves for a little while. Something about him rubbed the Marlins the wrong way because he was gone mighty quickly. Gonzalez is the guy I thought we were going to hire in ’07, but then I realized who the “we” I was thinking of was.
There aren't enough facepalms
For this post.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010) and Ron Santo (February 25, 1940-December 2, 2010).
If you disagree with me in any way, you are wrong.
That's a bold statement
we know nothing about sandberg as a major league manager, but we are slowly learning that Quade isn’t a good one! I have no evidence that Sandberg would have been a better choice, but you seem to be implying that Quade was the right choice, because, “the cubs made it”
It's like Carolina basketball
When Dean Smith retired there had to be a fall guy to run the program untill Roy Williams became available. Bill Guthridge was given the job for a short period of time and was succesful because he was basically working with Dean Smiths players. Then came the sacrificial lamb in Matt Doherty. He had decent credentials but all of us here in ACC land knew he would only last a little while regardless of his success. A few years of failure later—-poof here’s Roy Williams coming back to lead us to the promised land.
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
You really aren't
comparing Sandberg to Roy Williams, are you?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 1, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Sandberg is Roy Frickin Hobbs
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Not directly no at least not in experience
But there is a comparison in that Roy was seen as the logical succesor to Dean Smith and Sandberg was seen as the logical succesor to…well whoever..
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
I'm not sure how many saw him as a "logical successor"
At least Roy won a national title at one of the top programs in the country.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 1, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Logical succesor...Heir apparent...Knight in shiing armor
I think quite a few people saw him in that light. Now your point about Roy winning the National Championship is dead on. That of course is why all us Tarheel fans wanted him. As for Sandberg…..Well granted his success was in the minors but that sure didn’t stop many from believing that he was the annointed one.
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
He was Dean Smith's assistant coach for 10 years. Pretty much everyone saw hiim as the logical successor.
Also, Roy didn’t win any national titles at KU.
He’s won 2 with UNC (2005, 2009)
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True. No titles at KU
but multiple final 4’s and 2 title shots
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
Whoops, right D98
Brown and Self have won them recently, not Roy.
Sorry about that.
My basic point isn’t changed, however.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 1, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I root for laundry
Sandberg wears another color laundry right now, so he isn’t someone I root for.
Regardless… he pissed me off with his sense of entitlement about the job. He pissed me off with his hypocritical “respect” speech at the Hall of Fame. (Didn’t stop you from cashing checks in a market that Canseco set, did it, big boy? Didn’t stop you from keeping your yap shut when you saw Sosa inflate like a damn kiddie pool, did it?)
I am also pissed off at fans who seem to think that Sandberg has to just magically clap his hands and wave around whatever ring or necklace or engraved bottle opener they gave out for the 1989 NL East winners and guys will just sway and swoon and have 20 wins or a .350 average.
Shut up, Ryno.
"It's all in the game, yo"
While we're at it,
maybe Maddux can be the GM and Dawson can be the third-base coach and Sutcliffe can be the pitching coach and …
Yeah, you know, all those guys who won all those World Series for the Cubs over the years.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 1, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Dawson actually won as an "instructor" with the Marlins
I have no idea what that entailed, but there you go.
Do I think Quade has been great? Not at all, but I don’t think Sandberg would have a single extra win either. Not one damn extra win.
"It's all in the game, yo"
There's just so much that is objectively, inarguably wrong with this post.
I’m going to focus on this in particular.
Didn’t stop you from cashing checks in a market that Canseco set, did it, big boy?
This is a player who signed what was then the biggest contract in MLB history, and who walked away from that contract, leaving money on the table when his skills diminished after a wrist injury. It may be the only time I can remember that happening in MLB history.
Didn’t stop you from keeping your yap shut when you saw Sosa inflate like a damn kiddie pool, did it?
What would you have had Sandberg do? Call Sosa out in public? Based on WHAT? Keep in mind that he retired in 1997. Also, keep in mind that he’s not a doctor and had no first-hand evidence whatsoever of juicing, that he was a member of the player’s union, and that making these sorts of allegations would probably have gotten him in serious trouble and potentially exposed him to legal ramifications.
So seriously, what are you getting at? The guy seems to be pretty decent at this managing thing. And more to the point, Hendry mismanaged the hiring of Quade over Sandberg just miserably. Sandberg was being communicated to through the f’ing press!
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Hence...
…the comments Sandberg made about how good the communication is in the Phillie’s organization. That was said for a reason, without question.
Sandberg was not a “Hendry good ole boy” and that was why he was treated the way he was. Again, I think it was best Quade got the gig anyway, because the timing is not right for a good manager to spin his wheels under this regime.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Mike Schmidt walked away too
And didn’t come back when the GM was fired.
You’re absolutely right. Sandberg had a lot of reasons to keep his yap shut. He should have continued.
Every single player from that era was either a user or an enabler. To hell with all of them and their fake sanctimony.
"It's all in the game, yo"
To them, I'm a faceless fan who pays a ticket
To me, they are faceless athletes who perform for my amusement.
Andre Dawson was the last player I cared about.
It’s a healthy and cynical relationship.
"It's all in the game, yo"
Andre Dawson won't pay your rent
Just saying.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010) and Ron Santo (February 25, 1940-December 2, 2010).
If you disagree with me in any way, you are wrong.
Then you have to realize that the uniform...
…and the organization are not synonymous. Sandbergs veiled criticisms were aimed at the Cubs organization, it seems as though that is why you were aiming venom his way. BTW, Sandberg is every bit the man and player that Dawson was. He deserved a fair shot at getting the Cubs job, remember no other hall of fame player did what Sandberg did, he went back to square one. He should have been rewarded for it.
Rewarded???
His reward was that he got considered.
Sandberg is no longer a Cub. He’s a Phillie. Therefore, I don’t care about him. My team’s manager is Mike Quade.
"It's all in the game, yo"
Fair shot?
How did he not get a fair shot? I guess you meant to say a fair shot means he gets the job.
I can’t believe this is being rehashed again and it is only June.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
I like to think that..
things can only go up.
It only being June means there’s plenty of time to see Jackson, LeMahieu, Colvin, Castro, Barney, and Flaherty on the field at some point. Maybe even all at the same time, but probably not.
They hired the Asst. GM's college roommate.
And Sandberg was communicated to through the press. It was kind of a weird situation, and Hendry could have handled it substantially better.
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by D98 on Jun 2, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
They hired the Asst. GM's college roommate that...
1 – Led this team to a winning record post- Pinella last year.
2- Has way more experience managing or coaching, period.
Hendry handled it as best it could be handled, and he made the right choice.
I find that they hired the asst general managers buddy
A little shady, and think Sandberg never had a shot at the job! I have no proof of this, and it’s only speculation, but if it’s true it was not handled correctly at all!
Hendry made the right choice?
The right choice would have been a good manager and not someone who doesn’t have the skills to manage at this level. I don’t have a problem with Sandberg not getting the job but I think Hendry underestimated him. He didn’t think Ryno would be willing to ride the buses in the minors for 4 years. He probably figured Sandberg would go away after one year. Its now time for Hendry to go and let the new regime hire a real manager.
by LT on Jun 2, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I for one am glad we hired Quade
I never post here, but really enjoy reading the comments and usually polite arguments. I just wanted to add that I am not ready to hate Sandberg.
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