What if Mark Cuban were the owner
Remember when the Dallas Mavericks were an NBA doormat? No?
I am not surprised. I had to look it up as well.
They did not have a single winning season in the 1990s. Only once did Dallas win more than 30 games.
But as soon as current owner Mark Cuban bought the Mavericks in January 2000, they mattered. Since then, they have not won less than 50 games in a season nor have they missed the playoffs. In the meantime, the Mavericks have become a perennial championship contender with a trip to the NBA Finals and another to the Western Conference Finals.
I am not a Mavericks fan and may never be. But as a sports fan, I respect what Cuban has done for that franchise and daydream about what he could do were he the Cubs’ owner.
That is why I was so excited to hear, when Sam Zell and the Tribune Company were looking to sell the Chicago Cubs in 2008, that Mark Cuban was a prospective buyer.
In 1984 I watched a Cubs game for the first time, and never stopped. Sure, Harry Caray’s Budweiser commercials and his leading a 35,000-person chorus singing "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" made the games more fun and entertaining. But the reason I kept watching was because the Cubs won.
I don’t watch many games because I have little faith that the Cubs can win anything significant. But if Cuban were the owner, both of those would change.
When was the last time any Cubs fan saw the team’s owner sitting in the stands, talking with the fans, on SportsCenter celebrating a victory or lamenting a loss like Cuban has been shown so many times? And no, Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling heckling his squad from a courtside seat does not count.
Compared to current Cubs’ owner Tom Ricketts and just about every other owner of a professional sports team, Cuban is one of the most visible and seemingly accessible owners in all of major league sports. And that is not made up.
Asked by the Times whether it makes the team more successful for him to be as accessible to the fans as he is, Cuban responded, "I think it absolutely helps. Fans are our customers. They know who is responsible for their team and [who] is making sure they get value when they spend money with the Mavs or come to a game. If they have an issue, they know my e-mail address and can and do contact me. With results. They know I care and have as strong an emotional investment towards our team as they do."
And when was the last time the Cubs were the perennial contenders the Mavericks have become? As an 8-year-old in the summer of 1984, what the Cubs did seemed as if it were something that could conceivably happen every year. But after watching the Cubs trot out dreadful teams year after year that I realized how rare a team like the 1984 Cubs were, at least for that franchise.
Despite the fact no such team has materialized at Wrigley Field since 2003, why couldn’t, or shouldn’t, it happen every year like the Yankees? I have always hated the fact that the Yankees and their fans expect – feel entitled to – annual World Series appearances. To the Yankees, anything short of a world championship is a failure. For the Cubs and their fans, just reaching the postseason would be considered a grand success.
Why? I am not saying that I think Ricketts is satisfied watching the team struggle. But it is difficult, as a fan, not to struggle with the team’s direction.
For the second straight season, the team is hovering near .500 while holding steady on payroll, limiting the potential moves the team can make to improve.
This comes after a 2010 season during which the Cubs sank toward 27 games under .500 as former manager Lou Piniella’s tenure came to an end. The team jettisoned every infielder (Derrek Lee, Ryan Theriot and Mike Fontenot) but third baseman Aramis Ramirez, and shipped off starting pitcher Ted Lilly. Both Lee and Lilly were earning more than $13 million. Lee’s production may have fallen off, but Lilly pitched well through the duration of his contract. It was difficult to view these moves as much more than a salary dump.
That perception was further reinforced when the Cubs pass on Ryne Sandberg and instead hired Mike Quade as the team’s manager. One Chicago columnist proffered the opinion that the move had more to do with money – the soft blow to the payroll of a $1.3 million salary versus $4 million or more for Sandberg or current Yankee manager, and former Cub, Joe Girardi.
In an interview with the New York Times last April, Cuban said that he would not necessarily spend tons of money on players, certainly not for the sake of spending on superstars as he did early in his tenure as the Mavericks’ owner. But he went on to say that part of the investment he made to make his team better were sports psychologists. I found that statement particularly compelling when I thought of pitcher Carlos Zambrano. I am more than willing to bet he has not spent much, if any, time with a therapist. While losing his spot in the starting rotation, and making his way back to a middle relief position in the bullpen, the Cubs lost a significant amount of the $18 million salary they were paying.
Despite the fact the bleachers and rooftops were still full of fans, it has to hurt the team from management on down to see the on-field product suffer that way.
This is particularly damaging to a team trying to climb out of what seems like a rut of former owner Sam Zell’s making.
When he bought the Tribune Company, it was highly leveraged. He put up only $315 million of his own money and took on $8 billion in loans to finance the rest of the deal. It did not take long for the deal to look pretty sour. The Tribune Company lost $124 million in the third quarter of 2008. By December 2008, the company was filing for bankruptcy.
"In these challenging economic times, a lot of owners are in a liquidity crunch, forcing them to sell," says Laurence DeGaris, a sports marketing professor at the University of Indianapolis, told Money Central.
The point of selling the Cubs was so the Tribune Company could take the proceeds of the sale of re-invest it in the newspaper business. However, according to Allan Sloan of Fortune Magazine, Zell changed the company from a standard C corporation to an S corporation in order to avoid paying taxes. Such a transfer then necessitated paying corporate gains on the sale of the Cubs, an asset in which, Sloan writes, the company has "built-in gains."
To get around this self-created problem, Sloan explains the sale of the Cubs to the Ricketts worked as such: The Ricketts family put $150 million of cash into a partnership that borrowed up to $698 million. The Tribune Company put the Cubs, the Wrigley Field stadium in which they play, and related assets into that partnership.
The economy is still not doing well. Print media is doing even worse. It has gone unexplained as to how this partnership exactly works, or how much the Tribune’s success affects the Cubs’ finances. But, with the Cubs holding payroll steady once again, it makes one wonder.
As Cuban put it in a blog entry in January 2009, shortly after falling out of the running to buy the team, "How much would I be willing to pay for the team? I wasn’t sure. More important to me was the cash flow. If the economy had a significant impact on future revenues, it would also impact how much I could invest in players. The absolute last position I wanted to be in was paying so much for the team, that if revenues fell off, I couldn’t play to win."
That seems to be the situation in which the Cubs find themselves until they can prove otherwise. Would they be in the same situation if Cuban were the owner? The Mavericks have cut ticket prices and their home games are no longer guaranteed sellouts, but Cuban still maintains the third highest payroll in the NBA, one that is also above the NBA’s soft salary cap.
The Cubs also maintain a large payroll, one of the larger in Major League Baseball despite a 9% cut from last year. So it may not be the Cubs’ propensity, or lack thereof, to spend. Instead, the difference might be where Cuban would invest his money. Given the track record between the Cubs and their owners for the past decade versus the Mavericks and Cuban, I cannot help but lament that Cuban is not the Cubs’ current owner.
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When was the last time any Cubs fan saw the team’s owner sitting in the stands, talking with the fans …
Isn’t Tom Ricketts at almost every home game? I see him on camera fairly often.
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I see him on TV during almost every game I watch.
Cuban is a different personality… not shy by any means and draws attention to himself. Tom Rickets is more the opposite, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the same goals in place or share the same passion for winning that Cuban does.
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I've personally seen him at a couple games this season.
Tom’s presence in the stands is not an issue.
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Yep - I saw Tom in the stands at the Monday drizzle-fest
And he has walked the bleachers (asked Al last season to the suite) and upper deck (I saw him there also).
And last year the Cubs invited season ticket holders to come meet Tom and others and walk around Wrigley.
Lack of facts is a terrible way to walk through life.
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by RiskyBusiness on May 5, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Ricketts is there
I’ve seen Tom (and Laura too) several times.
Cuban is seen on TV because he makes sure he is. I’m sure if Tom wanted to the cameras would show him all the time.
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by puckishcubsfan on May 6, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with the MLB reasons
for blocking his bid. I’m sure Cuban would be a great owner, but I would like an owner whose full attention is on the Cubs and not divided between two teams
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that hasn't stopped the White Sox and Bulls from contending
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
by Chanman25 on May 5, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be surprised
if there was a single owner in MLB who didn’t have divided interests. What’s the difference between an owner with a MLB and (for instance) NBA team and someone who would own an MLB team and have multiple corporate interests?
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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
Chanman...
already pointed our Reinsdorf as a successful version.
A few others include:
- James Dolan (Knicks, NY Rangers, and Indians)
- Mike Ilitch (Tigers and Red Wings with an attempt at the Pistons as well)
- Stan Kroenke (Nuggets, Avalanche, and Rams – though the NFL has rules against multi-team ownership not in the same city so his son controls the Nuggets and Avalanche and he has to eliminate his shares in the Nuggets and Avalanche if he want’s to keep the Rams),
- Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment (Raptors and Maple Leafs and a few other minor teams)
- Ed Snider (Flyers and 76ers)
- Ted Leonsis (Capitals and Wizards)
- Paul Allen (Blazers and Seahawks)
- Atlanta Spirit LLC (Thrashers and Hawks)
- Tom Hicks (Stars and formerly the Rangers)
A few of those guys have been successful on both sides, a few have not. Then again, some owners with only one team can still muck it up pretty bad (see: Sacramento Kings, Pittsburgh Pirates).
Of all the teams you mention here...
…. only the Red Wings have been successful on a sustained basis. In fact, I believe they are the only one of that list to win its league championship.
The Maple Leafs? Seriously? Their fans regularly rip the ownership there.
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Avs won a couple Cups as I recall
Although it has been a decade or so since the last one.
Was Kroenke the owner?
And in any case, that’s a lot of losing teams in that list.
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Winning/Losing a championship isn't the only way to evaluate an owner
For example, Paul Allen and Ted Leonsis are considered to be among the best owners in their sports. Leonsis in particular is using the same strategies he used to turn the Capitals from one of the worst franchises in the NHL to one of the best on the Wizards.
I really don’t think you have a point here. The original point was that Cuban wouldn’t be a good choice as an owner because his focus would be split between two teams. I don’t think this run-down of multi-franchise ownership groups proves that point in the least.
by JSB on May 5, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The Maple Leafs are owned by a teacher's pension fund
That’s why they haven’t won a Cup since 1967 and have become the NHL’s Cubs. Nationwide (Canada) following, — still can’t win. There is no one in charge and they have hired many star coaches and GM’s.
However, the “Fund” may sell. Leafs fans are thrilled.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 5, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
LMAO at Tom Hicks
he has been selling all his teams except the stars since he over extended himself. He owned parts of soccer teams and so on
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I, uh, kinda doubt Sandberg would have demanded 4 million a year to manage the Cubs
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
by shoemile on May 5, 2011 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Correct.
That would have made him one of the highest-paid managers in the game. No one’s going to give an inexperienced guy that much money.
Joe Girardi, who has a WS ring, has a three-year, $9 million deal. There’s no way Sandberg gets $4 million — from anyone.
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Something else that seems odd:
I am more than willing to bet [Carlos Zambrano] has not spent much, if any, time with a therapist.
Is it not common knowledge that Z underwent anger management therapy? I would assume that involves a therapist, no?
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Something Something else that seems odd:
The point of selling the Cubs was so the Tribune Company could take the proceeds of the sale of re-invest it in the newspaper business. However, according to Allan Sloan of Fortune Magazine, Zell changed the company from a standard C corporation to an S corporation in order to avoid paying taxes. Such a transfer then necessitated paying corporate gains on the sale of the Cubs, an asset in which, Sloan writes, the company has “built-in gains.”
What in the Wide World of Sports does an accounting of Zell’s ownership have anything to do with how Cuban would be as an owner instead of Ricketts?
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by RiskyBusiness on May 5, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
This is whole Fanpost seems a little off...
…starting with the gobbledy-gook of formatting at the very top. I seem to recall there was a guy who used to post here once in a while who claimed he worked for Cuban. I wonder if this is him.
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Correct.
That statement in the blockquote is false.
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Nice article... nice read... especially on an off day.
In my opinion, TR is investing in this organization in ways that cannot yet be measured on the playing field, with a very big picture in mind.
Building a successful baseball organization is quite complicated, especially when compared to the NBA. It’s easy to turn an NBA team around, when only 5 guys are on the court at once, and your entire roster is only 12 or 13 players. One or two FA signings, and a team can go from doormat to contender.
Baseball, on the other hand, is not that simple. You have to build an entire organization at every level under one philosophy. It takes time, as evidenced by the newest expansion teams like the Rays, Marlins, Rockies, and DBacks. You can’t just go out and be a contender in season one. You have to build the organization, and do it successfully.
If you were to read Al’s interviews from the Spring, you’ll see that that plan is to make massive improvements to player scouting and development. That includes bigger budgets on scouting, new facilities for training in the states and outside the U.S., and also improved budget for draft signings and overseas talent.
Also, on your thoughts on team therapists and Big Z… Z spent a considerably amount of time last year with a therapist, under Cubs direction.
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Also concur.
Basketball is a much different sport in many ways. Signings can impact a team much more quickly, the nature of the game is so very much different, and baseball players are in large part positional specialists while basketball is much more a generalist’s game. Even a center has to be able to dribble on occasion, just as one example.
Players also go directly from (one or two years of) college to the NBA, where it’s a rare baseball player making his way directly into the big leagues from school.
Officiating is also different, and can affect the outcome either way, though not comparably.
by MN exile on May 5, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Only thing I might disagree with...
is that “contenders” in the NBA has a whole different meaning to “contenders” in the MLB. You can go free agent happy in the NBA and gain that contender status, but it won’t get you a championship. Fringe contenders in the MLB can win championships.
+1
and there havent been enough big name FA’s on the market in the 2 years that Ricketts has had control to make a big splash…
patience young grasshopper…
The upcoming months of November through February will tell the story of Tom Ricketts...
…I’ll give him a pass until then. However, if he doesn’t “knock our socks off” with a humongous FA signing or two during that span, then I, and I’m sure 90% of all the BCBers, will have him figured out. It’s gonna be a real interesting off season to say the least…but, that’s down the road.
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So signing a big free agent is your sole criterion for judging ownership?
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If it wants to win? Yep.
Let’s be realistic here…there’s gonna be possibly two BIG time FAs that are hitting the market in November…that guy from Milwaukee and that other guy from St.Louis. There’s an assload of coin coming off the books. This team isn’t gonna win jack with what’s here now OR what’s coming up through the ranks. Starlin Castro is NOT gonna carry this team on his back to a WS title.
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I was the guy that bought your CD...
…maybe you could sign it someday?
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Sure thing.
Sorry I was so drunk that night.
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I'm not saying the Cubs shouldn't do that.
In fact, they probably should.
But that should not be the SOLE criterion for judging an owner.
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The last owner did that a time or two
and were thoroughly ripped for it in hindsight
by thebluecrew1908 on May 5, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I only want 1 of the big 2
if it is a reasonable contract…if they have to go out too far or throw in too much money then I dont want either of them…but we may have to do 8 for Pujols or 6 for Fielder…at 28 or 20 for either I say its not bad…I also dont want Tom throwing money around like a drunken sailor
There were a few on the market last off-season
Cliff Lee, Carl Crawford, Adam Dunn. The Cubs apparently decided they didn’t want to acquire any of them for whatever reason.
The year before there was Matt Holliday. Next year who is there besides Pujols and Fielder?
by JSB on May 5, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm guessing the White Sox are having some buyer's remorse about Dunn.
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Also...
… the top free agent after 2006 was Alfonso Soriano. The Cubs got him.
Now, everyone here does nothing but bitch about that signing. I’m not saying you shouldn’t go after top free agents, but it is not always “the answer”.
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Revisonist History...
most people were glad/happy/ecstatic about getting him initially…BUT WE’RE NOT SO HAPPY ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THE CONTRACT.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 5, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
As I said then...
… if the Cubs had won the WS in the first 2-3 years of the deal, no one would care about that.
I see your point, though.
So what if Pujols wants 10 years?
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I'd give it to him...
but he’s a different kind of player than Soriano. His value is 100% in his bat. Soriano was supposed to give us power AND speed.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 5, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
The real difference is that he is just a lot better player than Soriano
Even if Pujols declines, he will still be one of the best players in the game. He has a long way to go to being mediocre.
by JSB on May 5, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
and pujols has many many years
of awesomeness – Soriano had 1 and alot of years of above-averageness
Building a successful basketball team requires probably even more skill and luck than building a baseball team
Sure, one or two players can transform a team. But it’s very difficult to acquire those 1 or 2 players.
by JSB on May 5, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I really liked the Cuban...
idea but it’s a done deal now so there is not much point in bringing it up. It also doesn’t appear that baseball is anxious to let Cuban in anyway.
Just so we're all clear what the differences are between them...

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by santoswoodenlegs on May 5, 2011 1:52 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
LMAO...classic
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^^ is making my Cubs off-day
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by RiskyBusiness on May 5, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
It's gotta be great being a self-made billionaire...
…my new goal.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981
There are those duck lips again ::shudder::
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It's 106 miles to Chicago...
Cuban has less championships than the Cubs
And this read like it was trying to be submitted for sort of presuasive essay assignment for a business class (thus the inclusion of the S class tax break whatever paragraph)
Yea he has less
but look what he has been up against the last 12 years in the Lakers and the Spurs. This year will be the second time since 1998 that the finals will not include neither of those teams. The one time it wasnt? Oh, it was Cuban’s Mavs.
Im not going one way or the other, Im just playing Devil’s Advocate.
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I admire the effort, but it seems to me there’s a fundamental problem with your premise. In the NBA, drafting a single superstar virtually guarantees you will be at least a .500 team, if not a contender, unless you have someone completely incompetent running the team. In the MLB, a single superstar is still many, many players short of what you’d need even to contend.
The Mavericks were irrelevant because they drafted poorly and couldn’t sign good players. That all changed not because of Cuban, but because in 1998 – two years before Cuban bought the team – their coach/GM Don Nelson took a chance on a skinny german teenager that lots of people thought shouldn’t be drafted until much later than the ninth pick of the first round. He struck gold, finding a kid who would become one of hte best players in the NBA and the anchor of a team that has been very good throughout his tenure. Nelson also struck gold by trading three players you’ve probably never heard of for Steve Nash right after that 1998 draft, getting a player who at that time was relatively obscure, but who would become one of the best PGs in the NBA over the next decade.
That is why the Mavericks are good, and it all pre-dates Cuban. He gets credit for not incompetently running them into the ground despite those advantages, but its pretty hard to miss the playoffs in the NBA when you have Nowitzki and Nash up to 2004, and then Nowitzki alone ever since.
None of this augurs better fortunes for the Cubs if Cuban was the owner.
by Orval Overall on May 5, 2011 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
But in the next 15 or so years...
MLB will eventually have just as many playoff teams as the NBA does, so it won’t matter!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 5, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
No, they won't.
There were two postseason teams from 1903-1968.
Four from 1969-1993.
Eight from 1995 through today.
They’re talking about two more. I can’t see it going farther than that.
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You can't see it...so it won't happen....
OK.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 5, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
You need to open your eyes then. You really think the powers that be will be satisfied with just 5 playoff teams in each league?
5 is such an odd number (ha ha) – it won’t be long before the bitching starts about how unfair the play-in concept is and the push will be on to increase it to 6. Nice even number. Now there will be a real extra round of playoffs (cha-ching!!!).
After that, it won’t be long before the bitching starts about how unfair the 1st round byes are for the two top teams and the push will be on to increase it to 8. Really nice even number. Now there will be more games in that extra round of playoffs (double cha-ching!!!)
No one knows how to take just an inch anymore.
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And don't forget all those little league teams either.
We don’t want little kids crying, do we?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
i give it one year that the yankees or red sox lose a play in game..
for it to be changed
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by bilbosbuttons on May 9, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
tl;dr
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by Ace Venom on May 5, 2011 4:31 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Cuban would have been a disaster
Have you ever watched him at a Mavs game? He’d insist on being either IN the dugout or directly above it for every game he attended. He acts like a coach, but boasts no real knowledge for the game. His role is that of a spoiled billionaire who can afford the best seats in the house, pretending to simultaneously be the players’ best buddy AND their unofficial coach.
Do you ever wonder why the Mavs have struggled so much in the playoffs? Do you really want THAT kind of ownership president being set in Chicago?
God. Cuban in Chicago would be a TRAVESTY. Rickets Family FTW.
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by cubs0505 on May 5, 2011 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
They seem to be doing fine in the playoffs this year...
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
The Mavs didn't win a title because they were just brutally, egregiously robbed of one by corrupt officials.
I don’t know any other way to put it. The NBA has had a serious problem with officiating – and the MIA/DAL series may have been the nadir.
Still, Dallas has had a sustained run that rivals almost anyone in the league. There’s no shame in getting knocked out in the conference semis, or the conference finals, or the finals – and in their 11 year run of making the playoffs, they’ve gotten that far 7 times.
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by D98 on May 5, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't even mention that Mia/Dal series.
I’m one of the few diehard NBA guys out there, but that series almost ruined it all for me. The officiating was just…awful. I’d put the Kings/Lakers series up there as well (IIRC, 2002 or 2003).
MIA/DAL?
Not, say, LAL/SAC in the 2002 Western Conference Finals? Game 6 in that series (specifically, the 4th quarter) is what made me turn off the NBA forever.
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Was it LAL? I thought it was Phoenix.
At any rate, I remember a huge officiating travesty and yes, that pretty much got me saying No to the NBA. I even sent in an e-mail to the league, expressing my displeasure in no uncertain terms. I remember getting a nice standard hollow acknowledgement back, basically telling me that the refs were right and I didn’t matter. Oh, and hoping that I reconsider and come back to the greatest sport on earth, or some other mindless marketing drivel like that…
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He made Gabe Paul GM in '73.
Between 1973-77, Paul traded for Nettles, Chambliss, Randolph, Rivers, Figueroa, Dent, and Piniella. Also, we can imagine that Gabe encouraged George to spend the money on Catfish and Reggie.
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"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
True enough – I'm just pointing out that even someone with the ego of Steinbrenner...
…recognized that as a baseball outsider, he needed a proven GM to run his operation. Although Gabe Paul never won a championship before he worked for George, he built the Robinson-Pinson Reds of the late 50’s – early ’60’s that did win the ’61 NL pennant after Paul took over as GM in Cleveland.
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"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
It'd be entertaining, to say the least.
And could it be any worse? Would Cuban have asked for $200,000,000 public dollars? Methinks not.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Cuban likely would have been a disaster, in the early-Ted Turner or Charley O. tradition...
An outsider to both MLB, Chicago and its politics, Cuban would have required an able staff to operate within these unfamiliar territories. Yet, by most accounts, he’s a typical hands-on meddling owner who can drive fans and employees crazy.
Had he been approved, three years into his ownership of the Cubs, it wouldn’t surprise me to hear him making veiled threats to take the Cubs to Portland, Oklahoma City or Honolulu. Watching the relentless drive of Mark Cuban attacking the lethal inertia of Cubdom would have been a great show but, given the potential for disaster in that scenario, I’m a little more comfortable with the gang from Omaha.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
by ernaga on May 5, 2011 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL! I like calling moving the Cubs to Portland and OK City a threat.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter. The owners and their fake commish were never going to approve Cuban. Ricketts is just want they wanted: a conservative guy in a white shirt and tie who in a million years wouldn’t shake up the game in any way – unless you count bison hotdogs.
Sure, Portland and OK City would be empty threats, but Cuban is known for thinking big...
…and, with Bud having made baseball THE international sport, Mark might be threatening to move the Cubs to… Havana, creating one of baseball’s greatest rivalries with the soon-to-be Miami Marlins.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
Havana might have had a MLB team had the Castro revolution not happened.
They had Triple-A baseball through the 1950s.
Hawaii — no way. Hawaii was too far from the mainland to even continue to host Triple-A baseball, although the market size is certainly big enough.
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If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
ITS BEEN 2 YEARS!
My God not even 2 years.
I think people expected to wake up the day after Ricketts took over and the Cubs to become instant backtobacktobacktoback x infinity world series winners.
Mark Cuban would be too involved in the baseball part of the baseball team. We may disagree with who Ricketts has kept in charge of making baseball decisions but we know that he lets them make the decisions and that’s WHO SHOULD,
Typical MArk Cuban would be this.
3 years from now Starlin Castro is what we expect him to be a great young shortstop, The Cubs need a 3rd baseman.
The shiny splashy free agent is a SS. But a less flashy one is the third baseman we need.
Cuban would go get the SS to make a splash not caring what would be better for the team.
I have not heard one knowledgeable baseball person that has said Cuban would be a good Cubs owner.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
Why do you think he'd do that?
He hasn’t run the Mavs like that.
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by D98 on May 6, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
He would run a baseball team like that
Because it’s all about headlines not what’s right for the team.
He’d do things that are popular not right for the team.
He’d want to excite the meatballs but not the fans who want to see winning first.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on May 8, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Cuban has a bad rep from his first years as owner of the Mavs
but if you look at the more recent years, you would see the maturity level and better understanding of how to run a franchise. He has stepped back quite a bit, and allowed basketball minds to make the moves.
the owners in NBA hated him when he first took over, less for his antics, more for his lowering of ticket prices in seats not selling, being accessible to fans 24/7 by email, which he would post his email address on the score board and answer every email, when the AA opened in Dallas, one of his biggest pushes was to have a visitor locker room better than any other home locker room (except his own) to use that as one of his many recruiting factors (he believes if a visitor is wowed that much by the visitor locker room, they would be more likely to sign when they saw how much better the home one is). his antics from the seats I believe were more to get attention to his “unknown” team so to speak, much like how Dennis Rodman used coloring his hair and acting goofy to get attention to a person who was over looked by many, i.e. a marketing ploy which worked.
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by Cubbie-Tim on May 7, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
I wish I could Rec this twice.
The guy knows hat he is doing, and the results speak for themselves.
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by D98 on May 7, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
What results?
What results?
Funny looking at the last NBA titles the Mavericks have exactly none.
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by puckishcubsfan on May 8, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As discussed above, they'd have 1 if the NBA wasn't laughably corrupt.
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by D98 on May 8, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
He still
He still is all about himself not the team.
He is the Jersey Shore type manager. No substance all style.
I’d actually rather see Jerry Reinsdorf own the Cubs.
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by puckishcubsfan on May 8, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree, he is a huge basketball fan
and was a huge Mavs fan before buying the team. he was a ticket holder for them, etc. I believe he wants to win, and when he first bought the team he was a kid in a candy shop no doubt as many of us would be if we were as young as him at the time he bought the mavs and we bought the Cubs. his entire reputation is based on what he did years ago, not what he is doing today.
this is a great explanation about how he is about the team not himself as you said
But is having Cuban as a majority owner such a bad thing? Would he be the same as he is as an owner in the NBA? It’s hard saying as owning the Mavericks and owning the Texas Rangers is a bit of an apples and oranges comparison.
What is known is that since he bought the majority stake in the Dallas Mavericks from Ross Perot, Jr. in 2000 he has made them relevant in a market consumed by all things Dallas Cowboys. In the most recent Forbes NBA valuations, the Mavericks ranked 7th most valuable at $446 million. According to the USA Today NBA salary database, for the 2008-09 season (the most recent available), Cuban’s Mavericks ranked third in overall player payroll at $93,215,017 behind only the Raptors and Knicks. That spending has translated into Forbes showing the Mavericks running at an operating loss of $17.4 million. Playing to win can mean losing at the bottom line, which is bad for investors (and something Bud Selig would prefer not to see), but shows that he’s a passionate owner willing to put his money where his mouth is to field a contender. To place this in baseball perspective, the Rangers are shown to have a 2010 Opening Day payroll of $55,250,544, ranked as 27th out of 30 in the league. The most recent Forbes rankings for MLB has the Rangers as the 12th most valuable club in MLB at $451 million, up 11 percent from last year.
if he was about himself not the team, he would lower expenses to raise his personal revenue.
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A: Ditka
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TR was hanging out at Captain Morgan after the game yesterday.
I took a picture of him for a cute girl I met, and he was absolutely approachable and I appreciate that he didn’t act like I was bothering him to take a pic.
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The best owner
The best owner is one you never see on TV.
He runs the business end of a baseball team. Leaves the day to day operations to his GM, Manager and staff of both.
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by puckishcubsfan on May 8, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously??
This is your opinion only, as are a lot of the comments you’re making in here. Please don’t try and push them off like they’re the gospel.
I happen to appreciate knowing the owner is around and accessible.
If Cuban were the owner
The Cubs would have gone into the season:
Thinking Dempster was a #1
Handcuffed by some old contracts that they need to free up before making a run at Fielder or Pujols
Riding the wave of Castro as the future of the team.
Impressed with the emergence of Darwin Barney
Wanting to trade Z who would play his no trade clause card, and then end up being the best pitcher on the roster.
Have trouble selling tickets, in a bad economy and very cold, wet spring.
Try some outlandish plan to get money from the state to make Wrigley less of a ball park, and more of a video game.
Dumped Silva regardless of what contract they had to eat.
And paid Carlos Pena $20 million instead of Tight Tom and his measly 10 million
Chicago Cubs - Arizona Cardinals 167 combined years and no rings
I guess I'm a masochist
oh
and Wells and Cashner still would have gotten injured
Chicago Cubs - Arizona Cardinals 167 combined years and no rings
I guess I'm a masochist
Come on
Come on Cuban is magical. If he was the owner nobody ever would get hurt. THe wind would magically blow our balls over the wall and their balls into outfielders gloves.
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by puckishcubsfan on May 8, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
it is going to take 10 years from the sale before TR truly gets a chance
to do what he wants to, thanks to the debt from the sale and how the sale is written up. He CANNOT pay it off faster (Zell stipulated that for tax purposes). That alone will allow for another 8 years of bitching and moaning from those who refuse to look at the reality of the sale terms.
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A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can block a Chuck Norris round house
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
The debt is owed to the Ricketts Trust.
they are likely making money on the arrangement. It’s silly to say it takes 10 years to do what you want when you have demonstrated the ability to spend $140MM on players.
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by D98 on May 7, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Give me a concrete reason
Give me a concrete reason the Cubs would be better off with Cuban as owner.
When he is an owner it’s all ME ME ME not the team.
Look at how often he makes sure he’s seen on TV,
Just like with Sandberg there’s as much reason to think the Cubs would be worse with him than they are now than they’d be better with him.
To actually see people say they’d want to watch the Cubs more with him as owner? So you watch the team to see the owner in the stands. Funny I’m different I watch to see baseball.
How do we even know Ricketts would have fired Hendry and/or hired Sandberg? Actually he may have hired Sandberg because it’s the popular decision although baseball people almost universally said Quade was the better choice.
The love of Mark Cuban here is the kind of love of the Jersey Shore generation. No substance just flash.
So the Mavericks are highly successfully financially. When is the last big name they’ve signed?
And I admit I don’t follow the NBA very much but I usually see who wins championships and I don’t think the Mavericks have won any titles.
Ricketts is too hands on and owning a team for him is ME ME ME.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
correction
So the Mavericks are highly successfully financially. When is the last big name they’ve signed?
they run in the red, as i showed above, due to Cuban both willing to and ability to spend money to win, and now being afraid to do so.
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Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can block a Chuck Norris round house
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
Meant
Meant Cuban is all about Mark Cuban.
And my main point is it’s not even been 2 years. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
And there’s absolutely no concrete reason to think the Cubs would be better off with Cuban right now.
Cuban is the Kyle Orton of owners. Just like there are bozos who think the Bears win the 07 Super BOwl with Orton people think the Cubs would win 20 straight world series with Cuban as owner.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
Puckish
By saying you prefer Ricketts you’re clearly assuming that the Cubs will go undefeated for the next century and never lose again and win all the world series ever and set up a shrine to the Ricketts family and convert all of India to the Church of Ricketts and there will never be war again.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
we agree on many many things
but your opinion of Cuban we do not agree. I guess this means the wedding is off LOL
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Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can block a Chuck Norris round house
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
While I do agree that the Ricketts need way more time before they can be called bad owners...
I think you’re hate for Cuban is way over the top. He would be a fantastic owner, and he is certainly not all about himself.
Why doesn't
Why doesn’t someone make a post about the person who actually finished 2nd in the derby and that’s Donald Levin (who you heard it here first will most likely be among the buyers of the Bears when the time comes) and what a difference it would be.
Or how about a post guessing what would have happened if it was Oprah. Or Michael Jordan. Or a group composed of Al, me, Jessica, Sue, SWL and CubbieTim? Or the Wirtz family? Or Rod Blagojevich? Or Will and Kate and the rest of the British Royal Family?
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
Cuban had to insert himself
into the spotlight at the end of today’s (Sunday) playoff game by hugging Phil Jackson.
That could have been done privately well after the game, out of the sight of cameras.
Wear a damn suit and act like an owner. Not a teenager.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 8, 2011 10:24 PM CDT reply actions
Just as when he HAD to sit in the bleachers one night with a Cubs uni
to make sure he was seen. As others have said here, it’s all about him. Yes, the Mavs are “winners” but they have failed in the playoffs. How much different is that from the Cubs playoff failures?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 8, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
HIS TEAM JUST DESTROYED THE LAKERS....
UTTERLY.DESTROYED. THEM.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 8, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that the Mavs being good?
Or the Lakers being not good?
It seems possible that the Mavs may make it to the Finals. We’ll see.
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Lakers are pretty good!
They’re the 2 time defending champs… they still have Kobe-Gasol and that great supporting cast… I have no idea how the Mavs got into their heads like that. It was a rather unexpected eviceration of the champs.
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by D98 on May 9, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
So because the Mavs haven't done well in the playoffs....
That means the Cubs wouldn’t do well with him as the owner? That’s just silly.
They haven't done terribly!
In the last 11 years, they’ve made the playoffs every single year. They’ve finished in the final 8 7 times, made the final 4 a few times, and lost a Finals that was so poorly officiated that the league actually had to comment and make changes.
Basically, they’re the “90’s Atlanta Braves” of the NBA. And BCB wants to make that a bad thing?
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by D98 on May 9, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ok now Jazz man's comment is even more silly.
I don’t follow basketball, so by the way he was talking I assumed they weren’t very successful.
I’d love the Cubs to be that good. lol
wish i could rec this 3 times myself to make it green
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Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can block a Chuck Norris round house
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
Wear a damn suit and act like an owner. Not a teenager.
Translation: Conform and be like everyone else.
Great advice. Hope you don’t have kids.
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
I don't see Rocky Wirtz running around like an idiot.
That worked out pretty well for the Blackhawks.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 9, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Then again, I see Jerry Jones running around like an idiot.
Seemed to work out pretty well for the Cowboys.
Look at all the owners across all the leagues and I’m pretty sure you’d find that it takes all kinds to be successful — and to fail.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I guess a mammoth ego isn't noticable to many here.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 8, 2011 10:28 PM CDT reply actions
I noticed that the Mavs swept the defending champion Lakers today.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
I'll take an asshole with an ego who demands success and doesn't serve up a load of bullshit to the press and fans...
over a smiling empty suit that “gets it”.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 8, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Could not agree more
I think too much is put into this whole “getting it” thing. I’m not even sure anyone here knows what that means lol.
If "getting it" means what I think it does
then Ricketts clearly doesn’t.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
What does that have to do anything?
The guy is 10x the businessman Ricketts could ever hope to be.
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by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 9, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
What exactly do you think little Tommy did working for the company his dad founded?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 9, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
He's got his own company, called Incapital.
Sure, maybe he got it started with some of his dad’s money. But then, he had to run it himself.
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Started his own company AND bought a baseball team with his daddy's $....
Cuban just got to watch his dad upholster automobiles.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 9, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
See puckishcubsfan.
And that means what, now? I don’t see any Mavs rings and I doubt if we’ll see any this year.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 8, 2011 10:30 PM CDT reply actions
The point is he's built a winner.
They haven’t won a championship, but they’ve been very good since he took over. That isn’t to say the Ricketts can’t do the same thing, but dismissing him because he wears a t-shirt is dumb.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
by shoemile on May 8, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dismissing him because his team hasn't won a championship yet is equally dumb.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 8, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Dismissing Ricketts because he hasn't won one in one year as owner is equally dumb.
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Yes, but we're not discussing Ricketts.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 9, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, "dismissing" is too strong of a term.
He turned the franchise around, yes. But, at the same time he made sure the spotlight was on him.
Staying in the NBA — The OKC Thunder — I don’t even know who the owner IS. Who ever he/she/or group is, the team is NOT what the old Seattle Super Sonics were. (However, drafting well may have helped)
Obviously, it’s a different type of ownership there.
It worked for Geo. Steinbrenner. The Yankees won. Even when he was a jackass, it was washed away with success in the following years, and he became an honored figure.
I’m waiting for that day for Mr. Cuban.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 9, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
A lot of people know who Clay Bennett is.
Sonics fans would probably have preferred a loudmouth owner like Cuban over Bennett, who acted like he was committed to keeping the team in Seattle then bolting to OKC the first chance he got.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
by shoemile on May 9, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who cares...
…whether the spotlight is on him as long as he does what is right by hiring good people and letting them run the team?
I don’t like guys that need all the attention either, but thats not the main point.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Who knows...
…what would have happened with Cuban.
I will add this though; your successful owners are the ones who know enough to not meddle in things they don’t know and they also make it a point to gather as much talent in the front office as possible and they let them do their job.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on May 9, 2011 12:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
What if the Wrigley Family Still Owned the Cubs?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 9, 2011 4:22 PM CDT reply actions
There would be...
…a huge pack of chewing gum where the Toyota sign is.
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