Chicago Cubs vs. Cincinnati Reds Preview, Sunday 5/8, 1:20 CT: Happy Mother's Day!
by Al Yellon on May 8, 2011 11:00 AM CDT
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PrintMother's Day used to be known among many Cubs fans as a day when there was almost always awful weather for the Cubs to play in. The worst of those was May 11, 2003, when the Cubs and Cardinals played four innings in absolutely appalling conditions -- 48 degrees with a 30+ MPH wind. The Cardinals had an 11-9 lead (and the teams had combined for seven home runs) when the umpires finally stopped play one inning short of an official game. St. Louis' Eli Marrero suffered a severe ankle injury and though he did return to play three more seasons, he was never quite the same player after that day. The game was eventually made up as part of a split doubleheader in September; that five-game series, of which the Cubs won four, is generally credited as giving the Cubs the push they needed to win the NL Central that year. Those of us who sat through the awful weather on Mother's Day 2003 remember that as the "Typhoon Game".
Today, though, after one of the worst springs in recent memory, the weather forecast is much better:
Today: Mostly sunny, with a high near 62. Northeast wind between 10 and 15 mph.
Sounds great. Meanwhile, regarding the no-hitter that the Tigers' Justin Verlander threw yesterday against the Blue Jays (and it could have been a perfect game; the ball-four call on the only baserunner of the game was borderline), the Cubs hold the MLB record for the longest time without being no-hit. The last pitcher to no-hit the Cubs was Hall of Famer Sandy Koufax on September 9, 1965, more than 45 years ago.
Can you name the team with the second-longest streak of at least one hit in a game? The answer, after the jump, may surprise you.
Cubs lineup:
Fukudome RF, Castro SS, Byrd CF, Ramirez 3B, Baker 2B, Soriano LF, Peña 1B, Soto C, Dempster P
Hmmm. Barney isn't the infielder who needs a day off.
Reds lineup:
Stubbs cf, Renteria ss, Votto 1b, Phillips 2b, Bruce rf, Gomes lf, Hernandez c, Cairo 3b, Cueto p
Another Hall of Famer is involved in this one; Bob Gibson of the Cardinals no-hit the Pirates on August 14, 1971. Nearly 40 years later, the Pirates have not been no-hit since then.
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Ryan Dempster's 8.05 ERA looks unsightly, but it was 9.58 before his outstanding outing against the Dodgers on Tuesday. Another 1.5 run drop today would be great. Last year Dempster lost to the Reds twice (and issued way too many walks in those starts, eight in 13.1 innings). Edgar Renteria is the Red who hits him best (8-for-24, .333, two HR).
When last we saw Johnny Cueto, he was throwing eight solid innings vs. the Cubs last August 27 in Cincinnati. He's been on the DL this year since March 20 with biceps/triceps inflammation; Alfonso Soriano loves to hit against him (8-for-23, .348, three HR).
Random question: is it a requirement to be in the Reds' starting rotation to have a weird hairstyle?
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Go Cubs!
We’ve got this, I feel good about todays game for some inexplicable reason. :)
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
Winning in a walk-off yesterday may be responsible for that :D
Stuff like that helps you feel invincible.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
They're bound to win a Sunday game eventually
And Dempster’s too good to have looked as he has before his last start.
by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
And the first two batters of that one, tooq
Man, that was scary-lookin’. I don’t know what the hell he did to fix it, but I hope it stays fixed.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Today woukd have been the right
time to give Aram a day off. Oh well, just win the series.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on May 8, 2011 11:06 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Let's get this series.
Go Cubs!
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Keep that Q Train rollin' in '11. Let's win it for Ronnie.
by mikegncb34 on May 8, 2011 11:06 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I am enjoying watching Pena bunt against this ridiculous shift
What is his BA when he’s bunting? My guess is that it’s greater than his SLG the rest of the time.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
Interesting question
It appears as though he’s shown bunt 4 times this season and has 3 hits due to bunting. That syncs with my faulty memory, too, so I’ll buy it.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Anyone read "The Extra 2%" by Jonah Keri? It's about how the Rays were built.
He mentions that through the All Star break of 2010, Pena was 14 for 24 laying down bunts against the shift.
Have you ever listened to his podcasts?
His intro music cracks me the hell up.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Which does tell you something about his "true" BA/SLG
Take out that 14-24 and he was 81-460 the rest of 2010 – a .176 BA.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on May 8, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
more important it shows that he is a team player
and less worried about lighting up the stat sheet. it is a smart move by him, and say a lot about him
Chronologically inept since 2060
Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can block a Chuck Norris round house
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
Or perhaps it tells us more importantly
that the Cubs are more interested in character than ability.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Hopefully
the Cubs got the shipment of pink bats with all the hits in them.
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Hopefully you're right!
I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".
I vividly remember the "Typhoon" game
It was outrageous that the umpires allowed it to go on. I felt terrible for Marrero and I also will never forget the look on poor Matt Clement’s face of “why me” as balls just kept swirling around and dropping all over the place.
Also I still think it was tacky of Arencibia to keep fouling off pitches to draw the walk. If there had been men on or his team was not down 7-0 in the 8th I would understand but I think it was cheap to go to 12 pitches to draw a borderline walk.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
The guy is trying to do his job and get on base
This sounds an awful lot like the “is it ok to bunt for a hit during a no-hitter” question. In both cases, the batter is trying to achieve at least first base, and those are legitimate ways to do so. I don’t have a problem with it and I’m certain Verlander doesn’t either.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I have less trouble with a bunt then trying to just wear the guy down
until he thows ball 4. I do know he is trying to get on but, down by 7 runs with one out in the 8th it seemed cheap to me. It is not like this is a player who has a good eye and draws a lot of walks.Perhaps I am just jeaulous of his ability to do what very, very few Cubs can do. I understood Cora doing this with the game on the line and go ahead runners on base, but again to me it seemed tacky to this in that situation.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on May 8, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't necessarily think he was trying to draw a walk either
I think he was just fouling off pitches he was trying to hit
We'll all miss you Ron.
I think he wanted to break up the perfect game anyway he could
I am sure he would have loved a fat one down the middle of the plate but when foul you off that many good pitches under those circumstances you are trying to just get to the pitcher.
I understand that is his job and earlier in the game it would have been great. Again I just feel it was awful way to lose a perfect game and I get Arencibia was doing what he is paid to do.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on May 8, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Coulda been worse
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100915&content_id=14723336&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Wow - just wow...
I thought you knew something about baseball but this is just some absolutely asinine reasoning here.
It’s tacky to keep your AB alive? Trying to get on seems cheap to you? What exactly did you want him to do – keep the bat on his shoulder?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
What the hell?
Tacky? The guy was doing his job. You really think he was trying to foul them off rather than get a hit. Last I checked, he’s on the other team. He’s SUPPOSED to do exactly what he did.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
What? So a hitter is supposed to concede a perfect game just because of the score?
A hitter is supposed to get on base, period. Wow. That would totally take the integrity out of the no hitter.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
What?
A guy is supposed to let the other team win in that instance? I take it you have never heard of the 1919 Black Sox scandal.
He was doing his job, and regardless of what the box score showed, giving in to the opposing pitcher and letting him get you out is the equivalent of not doing your job as a ballplayer.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 8, 2011 12:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i guess in a blow out late in the season
a pitcher should groove pitches to help the same hitters that are expected to lay down for a pitcher
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Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can block a Chuck Norris round house
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
By that logic,
Z should have grooved one in his no-no against the Astros in Milwaukee.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 8, 2011 12:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
let me guess.....unwritten rule?
he is paid to try and win, and that is what he was doing.
Chronologically inept since 2060
Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can block a Chuck Norris round house
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
Happy Mother's Day
I know today, that if the Cubs player’s Moms were playing the Reds player’s Moms, that we’d be flying the W flag today!
Go Moms Go!
"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.
I am seriously not trying to not spam you
but if anyone is looking for two tickets for todays game, and can get to rogers park, i can sell you two for below face.
Formally justin007000!
Soon to be a major religion!
No worries - you may want to post this in the Ticket Exchange thread, as well
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2011/4/14/2111080/ticket-exchanges-may-6-15-homestand
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Why not DeWitt at 2B?
I agree that Ramirez needs a day off, but if you are going to give Barney a day off against a RHP, why not put DeWitt in there espcially after having a nice day yesterday?
Have all my chores done.
Gonna have a couple Bud’s for Harry (later) and watch Cubbies win
ITS 2011, TIME TO GO TO CUBBIE HEAVEN!
Why not play DeWitt at 2b.....Or at 3b to give ARam a day off....I guess Baker would play 3b but whatever....
It does not seem like Quade sees when to reward a player….
Holy crap...
…TJ called Quade…Quade! Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!! See what a late inning win does?
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981
I am certain that was
an “E TJ11”…he would never (intentionally) break from character!!!!! :]
I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".
any word on who TJ13 is yet?
Chronologically inept since 2060
Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can block a Chuck Norris round house
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
TJ11 said it was a different person.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 8, 2011 12:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That ball four was def. a ball though.
The ump can’t call that a strike. Verlander said he knew it was outside as soon as it left his hand.
#10 You will be missed.
I agree
IIRC that was also a 12 pitch AB, so the batter earned that BB.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
Who thought of Milt Pappas though? I did.
#10 You will be missed.
by Bricks and Ivy on May 8, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't Bill Mueller's career changing knee injury on Mother's day against the Cards as well?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
Maybe but wasn't that in '01 or '02?
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Keep that Q Train rollin' in '11. Let's win it for Ronnie.
Reds handicapped
Playing without Rolen in the lineup is probably hurting the Reds. With good pitching the Cubs can take this one too.
Not sure I like Barney out of the lineup since he is a pretty consistent contributor.
Aren't the Cubs the team with the longest streak with at least one hit in a game?
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
Yup
the Cubs hold the MLB record for the longest time without being no-hit
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Wasn't it Koufax that had the last no-no vs. the Cubs in the early 60's?
With all the ineptitude this team has had over the last century and more, that stat blows my mind.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
Yup
The last pitcher to no-hit the Cubs was Hall of Famer Sandy Koufax on September 9, 1965, more than 45 years ago.
Perfect game, too
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I guess if I would have actually read the post, I would have gleaned all that lol
I jumped right to the posts. Thanks for not making me look like a boob lol
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
No worries :D
And you’re right – sometimes “well, at least we extended the no no-no streak” is the only positive you can take from a game.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
A sad moral victory for this team
Print that on a T shirt and sell it at Wrigley!
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
I actually guessed the Pirates had gone the second-longest without being no-hit.
I can’t figure that out. You’d think given 17 years of sub-.500 records…
Ah well, I’m surprised Houston isn’t on that list. Oh wait….
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 8, 2011 12:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I made a separate fanshot....
…… but this is pretty cool. Cub World cam now has sound.
http://www.cubworld.com/category/a_cubworld_cam/
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Sounds like heaven :D
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I can even hear the vendors..."PEANUTS!"
:)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on May 8, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Very Cool.
Makes me wish my Mom was still around. She used to love that kinda stuff!
I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".
BTW Did you see in two weeks is the Criminal Minds season finale?
by Madison Cub Fan on May 8, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the heads up!
I had thought Finale over with death of Prentiss…guess not.
I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".
RE: "Random question: is it a requirement to be in the Reds' starting rotation to have a weird hairstyle?
They certainly look like they disdain haircuts, don’t they? While the Brewers look like soup sandwiches in those baggy things they call uniforms.
Happy Mother's Day to all
Wish I could see this but family stuff comes first.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
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Ummm...
Can you name the team with the second-longest streak of at least one hit in a game?
The White Sox?…oh wait…sorry…had to.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981
OT- Somehow got stuck entertaining today tho I'll watch the game, No BCB...
I just wanted to stop by and wish all the wonderful BCB Ladies a very Happy Mothers Day. (And no, that won’t apply to some us us guys who are just “ugly muthers”!) :] Lets get a Cubbie win today!
I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".
That's very nice of you, Jeff! Hope you have a great day too -- complete with a Cubs win
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. -J.R.R. Tolkien
85
and sunny today and im sitting in the house waiting for the game to start. dont let me down cubbies. does anyone else realize we have not won on a sunday yet this year.im pretty sure im right on thisbecause after every loss i swear i wont waste another sunday watching.
What is it with Lil John putting his sons on the Reds' rotation?
"I'm not a broadcaster! I'm me!"--Ron Santo
Happy Mother's Day to ALL the BCB moms and their moms...
I sure miss mine. She’d want a Cubs win today tho, that I’m sure.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981
Happy Mother's Day girls!
and thanks to all for the Mom’s Day wishes! win one for us boys….Go Cubs!!!!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Happy Mother's Day
to you too cg.
I don't always block shots, but when I do....I block yours.
Kyle Korver is open as soon as he gets out of his car at the UC. -
Stacey King
Happy Mothers Day
Special wishes to those whose Moms are no longer with us. Gone but not forgotten, and yes, we know you’re in a better place. Give your mom a hug today, and take special care to be in the moment. Happy Mothers Day!
Chronologically inept since 2060
Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can block a Chuck Norris round house
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
by Cubbie-Tim on May 8, 2011 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
love you mom :(
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on May 8, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Yuppers! Cherish the time you get
with your Mom! Lets win one for the Moms Cubbies!!!
I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".
I wish I could.
But I’m stuck unable to make it to their house due to all the floods around here, which have breached to main road to the islands.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 8, 2011 12:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This too shall pass
I’m sure your Mom will understand. (Sounds like you finally got the severe weather that they’d been predicting!). Have a fantastic day anyway my friend! Lets hope for some dry weather out your way!
I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".
The weather has been dry, thanks.
I spoke to my parents about it the other day, and they were okay with it. The road is still passable but I won’t even attempt to ford it in my car because the water is several inches deep and you can’t see the lines on the road.
SUVs and pickups will do fine, but I don’t think my car has the clearance to get past the water that is currently over the road.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 8, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
then make sure to call her NOW
before the game starts, got to keep priorities you know
Chronologically inept since 2060
Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can block a Chuck Norris round house
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
Totally agree
With all the "Happy Mother’s Day wishes. Miss mine too.
ITS 2011, TIME TO GO TO CUBBIE HEAVEN!
Brandon Guyer sent back to minors
Hit a homer in his first at bat, now back down.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6507486
They can't all be Super Sam Fuld, I guess
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Oi!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY
to all the moms!
Why is it that DeWitt can’t get a start at 3rd for Ramirez?
Another lefty in the lineup…
Ramirez has turned into a singles hitter.
Would have been nice to have Castro sit another game as Al intimates. As I will keep saying – he is a better SS than Castro.
Stopping by for once
Good afternoon all, let’s get a win today
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