Chicago Cubs vs. Philadelphia Phillies Preview, Saturday 6/11, 3:10 CT: The Elusive Three-Game Win Streak
Several people here have asked me how long it's been into a season before any team had a three game winning streak.
One thing I can tell you that some of the worst teams in modern history were able to accomplish a three-game winning streak before June 11.
1962 Mets (40-120): May 19-20 (swept a doubleheader on May 20) 1962 Cubs (59-103): May 12-13 (swept a doubleheader on May 13) 1963 Mets (51-111): won four straight in April and five straight in May 1964 Mets (53-109): won three straight, May 13-15 1969 Padres (52-110): won first three games of the season 1970 White Sox (56-106): had three-game and four-game win streaks in May 1979 Athletics (54-108): won three straight April 16-18 1988 Orioles (54-108): lost first 21 games; won three straight May 21-23 2003 Tigers (43-119): won four in a row May 4-7 2004 Diamondbacks (51-111): won three straight April 25-27
There is one team that I've been able to locate that went until September to post its first (and only) winning streak of more than two games: the 1969 Montreal Expos, who won four in a row from September 12-15. Naturally, the last of those wins was over the Cubs, the last loss of a stretch where those Cubs dropped 11 of 12 and out of the pennant race.
This was not an exhaustive search; I looked mostly at the worst of the worst teams in the expansion era. But it seems clear that it's pretty rare for a team to get this far into the season without having won three (or more) in a row.
The Cubs made some roster moves today. They recalled Casey Coleman for extra bullpen help, and DFA'd Brad Snyder. Although Snyder has less than three years MLB service time, he has been outrighted to Triple-A before -- so he would have the right to refuse the assignment and become a free agent. That's possible, although I suspect he winds up outrighted to Iowa again. Snyder ought to follow his former teammate Micah Hoffpauir to Japan.
Cubs lineup:
Castro SS, Barney 2B, Montanez RF, Ramirez 3B, DeWitt LF, Soto C, Pena 1B, Colvin CF, Garza P
Prediction 1: Castro has a big day leading off today. Prediction 2: Castro is back batting third tomorrow.
Phillies lineup:
Rollins SS, Victorino CF, Utley 2B, Howard 1B, Polanco 3B, Ibanez LF, Brown RF, Ruiz C, Lee P
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Matt Garza has made one regular season start vs. the Phillies in his career, in interleague play on June 24, 2009. He gave up just one run, a solo HR to Jayson Werth, who isn't on the team any more. Of the current Phillies, Raul Ibanez (who did not play that day) is 4-for-9 with a pair of HR off him.
Then there's the start he made against them in Game 3 of the 2008 World Series, where he gave up home runs to Ryan Howard, Carlos Ruiz and Chase Utley. No repeats of that, please. Garza has allowed just two home runs so far this season.
Despite being in the AL much of his career, Cliff Lee has started four lifetime games vs. the Cubs, one in 2006, two in 2009, and one last year. He's got a career ERA of 1.71 against the Cubs and 25 strikeouts in 31.2 innings. This year, Lee, like his teammate Roy Halladay, has walked almost no one -- just 20 in 87 innings -- while striking out 100. For a free-swinging team like the Cubs, that's probably the kiss of death. Carlos Pena has hit three HR off Lee, but overall is just 6-for-36 with 12 strikeouts.
Today's game is on Fox. Essentially, you'll see the Cubs game if you are east of Denver (except in the north-central and south-central areas that will see Twins/Rangers, and the home area for the Reds in Ohio, Kentucky and West Virginia. Here's the coverage map and here is the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today.
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Finaly gives Montanez a start in the OF, and yet he leaves DeWitt in LF.
Unreal.
And as Al predicted… Castro returns back to 3rd spot tomorrow. No sense in letting him get comfortable anywhere. Our manager is a

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
by SackMan on Jun 11, 2011 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't even know how Val Kilmner ever got the role over Quade.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Man oh man do I feel bad for that guy.
I’ve seen managers get crapped on before, but he never even had a chance lol. Sitting duck if I ever saw one…
He caught a grenade for the Cubs.
Threw his hands on a blade for the Cubs.
I was fine with the move for Quade, figuring that Jimbo knew the guy and all....
And did a quality search around the MLB for an appropriate manager.
…and now….
Now I want both Jimbo and Quade to be sent back to Iowa.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
One more thing...
Finally gives Montanez a starter in the OF? Were you awaiting the day Montanez starts with barely contained excitement?
It's the whole argument of:
You have outfielders on the roster… use them.
Why are continually playing an infielder in LF?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Because Brad Snyder and Lou Montanez are lucky to be in the majors right now.
Neither really offers anything for the future…trade wise or staying with the Cubs wise…and this is a season that’s all about the future.
THIS is a season that's all about the future?
I would agree with this if that youth movement process had begun during the offseason. The majority of the “young” guys that we are seeing of late will probably have very little impact on the future of the organization.
The process began last year when they called the 20 year old SS up from AA to stay.
In the offseason they added another major piece in a non-elite but still high quality starting pitcher who is still just 27.
You know who we KNOW won’t have much of an impact on this team’s future? 29 year olds who’ve wandered in the minors for 10-11 years.
If that process had truly begun last year than the acquisition of Pena has...
…to be called into question and the lack of a serious attempt to move some of the older talent the cubs have like Z.
Why does Pena have to be called into question?
Who should be playing 1B? LaHair? Someone else in-org?
They traded two older Cubs last year…It’s not like Z or Aramis would or should be easy to trade.
A placeholder for 1b was all they needed and Pena is a pretty costly...
…placeholder. Why spend millions on a 1b when you know that this team presently constructed needs to be blown up.
He's a pretty costly placeholder...which is subjective anyway...
because he’s a quality placeholder.
Now there’s a problem with a good 1B getting a one year deal because the team as a whole isn’t good?
Again, who should be playing 1B then?
So then we should bat said impactless 29 year old's third?
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
His one plus is that he's supposed to mash LHP...
and we have no alternatives…
We'll all miss you Ron.
That still doesn't merit the decision to handicap your pitchers by
Putting an 3B/2B in LF… who doesn’t drive in runs anyway.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Has DeWitt actually handicapped the pitchers in the OF or
does this board just really want him to since he became public enemy #1 for late-May/early June?
I see a guy hitting nearly .300, showing more power than he’s shown in the big leagues, and holding his own defensively as the actual starter recovers.
It’s not like playing Montanez/Snyder wouldn’t handicap the pitchers…They’re not actually good players just because they have the proper job title.
Crap…I hope this isn’t a can of worms.
And it's amazing people think DeWitt has zero chance of developing more
We refer to Darwin as one of “the kids” but he’s the same age as DeWitt
We'll all miss you Ron.
And DeWitt's been up in the majors for 4 years now...
I just don’t get what standard he’s being held to here. Maybe he hit on some poster’s girlfriend from this board during his first start in LF or something…The guy hasn’t even come close to embarrassing himself in LF yet, but for some reason it goes unnoticed because he’s not officially an OFer. It seems like people would prefer to see AAAA players like Montanez, Snyder, and Campana simply because they have the correct job title. It makes no sense to me.
He has come close to embarrassing himself.
You just choose to dismiss the flirtations of it, or never saw them live or on TV..
He’s misjudged the ball off the bat more than once, and on one occasion took such a poor jump forward, that he had to sprint backward to catch it.
An average outfielder would not create those issues.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I was nervous
in extras in Philly the other night when he took WAY too long to call off Castro for the final out.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Yes it is
Miscommunication with an outfielder and an infielder is a big deal.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Did he get the out?
Or is this another case of “zomg smoke = BIG FIRE?”
Just a reminder to those who’ve forgotten since May 17th…Soriano is still the starting LF…he’s just injured right now. DeWitt is a fill in, and a better fill in than that AAAA stuff.
Yes he got the out
and I hope next time he doesn’t knock out our SS who is sprinting out with his head to the sky.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Coming close...
Since when did almost count?
And really…you weigh him kinda misjudging a couple balls that heavilY? Please…he’s still a waaaaaaaay better/more useful player than Montanez/Snyder/Campana could ever hope to be. Those guys aren’t average OFers either, and they don’t have the advantage of being actual major leaguers. They’re minor league fillers who got lucky to be in the minors for a bad team with alot of injured players.
He's not public enemy #1. He's not even an enemy.
Mike Quade is public enemy #1.
If you want to get DeWitt in the lineup, then play him at the positions he’s best suited for: 3B or 2B. Don’t play him somewhere he’s never played before, while other OFers sit on the bench. It’s not like the guy is going to drive in 140 runs this year, and we MUST get him in the lineup. He is what he is… a decent infielder.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Those OFers suck.
I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand about that. In 5 years there’s a very good chance that Montanez, Snyder, and Campana are all out of pro ball. They mean nothing. They are what they are…AAA fodder…one (Campana) might one day make it as a 5th OFer.
Straight up, DeWitt is a better player than those guys, whether he has the proper job title or not. I’m pretty sure a good baseball player could handle LF if asked to do so, no matter what his original job title may be.
It’s the Russell situation all over again…The Cubs don’t want to play their AAAA crap because they know it’s AAAA crap. The Montanez’s, Diamond’s, Ortiz’s, ABD’s, and Snyders of the 2011 Cubs world are only around for the most desperate situations. For instance, Montanez gets a start today because the Cubs are facing a truly elite pitcher who happens to be left handed…they’re desperate enough to find any kind of advantage they can and he happens to hit lefties. Otherwise, they should never be seen.
He's playing the OF to get ABs, because...
he’s the everyday 3rd baseman next year.
With the 1st pick in the 2012 Baseball Amateur Draft, the Chicago Cubs select...
Hopefully not...
That’d be tough unless some very ba moves were made around that.
What other option is there?
There NOT gonna deal for a 3B in the off season and there’s nothing “down on the farm” waiting in the wings. I like DeWitt. I’m not sure how good he’ll be at 3B, but, he can’t be any worse than what’s there now.
With the 1st pick in the 2012 Baseball Amateur Draft, the Chicago Cubs select...
Dewitt is noones public enemy
its the guy who puts a week hitting infielder in leftfield, and if you think we are mean to quade, what would have happened if Lou put theriot in leftfield?
It's just until Soriano gets back...
DeWitt has a future with this team…and this is why he’s getting ABs in LF. Those other guys are minor league castoffs…once the guys (Sori, Byrd, Johnson and Baker) get back, those other guys will be forever gone.
With the 1st pick in the 2012 Baseball Amateur Draft, the Chicago Cubs select...
Brent Lillibridge on other side of town
Went from a backup 2B-SS to a solid #4 OF in all three spots, and may be taking over for Juan Pierre in LF pretty soon.
It’s not completely unheard of. And when your options include Brad Snyder and Lou Montanez, it’s almost logical.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jun 11, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Awesome pitching matchup toda.
Must see…
I wish LeMahieu got another start.. I guess you can’t sit Ramirez, who looks like he’s coming out of his little funk. OTOH, you can rest Barney…
Enjoy watching Clfif Lee pitch people. He and Halladay back to back…we’re watching two guys who have mastered their craft. Look at Cliff Lee’s mechanics and realize that’s how we should be teaching kids to throw. The extension on the follow through is magnifique.
My stomach hurts.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 11, 2011 1:11 PM CDT reply actions
Pepto-Bismol...and then take a magazine into the latrine and just wait it out.
With the 1st pick in the 2012 Baseball Amateur Draft, the Chicago Cubs select...
Montanez hitting third?
ARam hitting fourth?
Jesus, Quade.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 11, 2011 1:13 PM CDT reply actions
Lefty on the mound...
lineup obviously picked out of a hat. Only justification for ever batting Blake DeWitt in front of Carlos Pena, as well. Won’t matter much with Cliff Lee on the mound.
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by jameslcrockett on Jun 11, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
...with 0 walks
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by jameslcrockett on Jun 11, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
If there's an advantage for the Cubs here it's that...
Lee throws a ton of strikes. The Cubs, as a free swinging club, just might be able to knock him around a little. He’s been hittable this year despite the dominant K rate, BB rate, and solid HR rate.
Of course, the more likely result is that he throws a ton of strikes past our hitters. I could see Castro and even Ramirez doing really well against him though…
Not really...
He’s just getting a little unlucky on flyballs turning into homers and an unusually high batting average. The rest of his numbers are outstanding. He’s walking guys a little more than normal, but his strikeouts are up to. The interesting part is how he’s actually performing worse on the road than in Philadelphia, when you’d expect it to be the opposite.
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by jameslcrockett on Jun 11, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
He's always loved pitcihng in Philly.
I can see why….despite it’s reputation as a hitters park the mound looks comfortable.
That's a lot of money to make in a day.
;-)
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 11, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
The only justification for batting Blake DeWitt in front of Peña is picking the lineup out of a hat?
So Peña batting .067 against lefties and DeWitt batting .500 against them has nothing do with it?
We'll all miss you Ron.
Are you trying to say something good about Blake DeWitt?
I’ve got a whole lot of hungry man eating dogs here. Go ahead. I dare you to say something close to positive about the guy again.
Snyder would have probably played 1B today if it wasn't for the pitching situation
But since they had to bring Coleman up to shore up the long relief, Snyder got DFAed.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jun 11, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Al, thanks for doing the homework on the three game winning streak
appreciate that, I think it would be a major upset if this team posts any three game winning streak the rest of the month. I have a feeling we are looking post all star break, stunning.
There may be other teams that haven't...
… but there can’t be very many.
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He's going to pull Garza after the 3rd no matter what...
so people couldn’t possibly criticize him for abusing him.
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by jameslcrockett on Jun 11, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
pull garza after 1 pitch and put in russell?
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on Jun 11, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
He's going to let the next lamb in line at the slaughterhouse...
manage. It’ll be kind of the same situation.
He'll use Blake DeWitt as a lefty specialist out of the bullpen.
Even though DeWitt throws righthanded.
“He hits lefthanded, doesn’t he? Why can’t he pitch lefthanded?”
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It's not like we know he can't do it!
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by jameslcrockett on Jun 11, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
in that case, why not have him catch and pitch at the same time!
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on Jun 11, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
He's the Cubs Bugs Bunny for certain
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by jameslcrockett on Jun 11, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
You funny man...
like Campana’s going to get in the game in the first place since Blake DeWitt just must be in the lineup at all times.
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by jameslcrockett on Jun 11, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
He is sitting next to Byrd in the dugout.
Byrd is setting him up with Victor Conte so he can beef up and hit the ball into the gap.
Anyone else have the feelings that Z's truth spewing moment last week was...
…aimed at the coaching and management of this team?
I would have respected him a lot more...
had he explicitly aimed it at the management rather than any of this teammates.
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by jameslcrockett on Jun 11, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
playing like a AAA team, criticizing pitch selection...
…which is the job of the pitching coach to poor over scouting reports of opposing batters. It all smacked of him criticizing coaching.
What about the pitcher who wouldn't throw the fastball?
Didn’t Z make a mention of that?
That's what I was talking about "pitch selection".
I know that Marmol was Theriot’s teammate but that doesn’t ensure that Marmol knew that Theriot’s weakness was the fastball. That’s the job of the pitching coach to go over scouting reports with their pitchers. I’m not saying that the fault doesn’t lie with Marmol, I’m just saying that may have been the way the Z saw it.
From all accounts...
Hill was trying to get Marmol to throw a fastball. Hill would get his call from the bench…if not and he’s working with intuition then it’s a plus for Hill.
Either way, there should be more of an emphasis on the players executing. No manager can look good if the club plays poorly. There’s no buttons to push that reverses that. You have to just have better players.
You're right about the players playing aspect of it but...
…I doubt with as long as Hill has been around that he was taking that call from the bench. Did Hill go to the mound after being shook off.
I heard he did.
I very rarely actually watch this team.
Hopefully the Snyder DFA
is a prelude to moving up some of our outfield prospects, particularly Szczur and Ha.
Snyder
will probably accept an assignment to Iowa.
by Josh Timmers on Jun 11, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Jesus
What goes on in Quades mind when he makes these lineups? Why move Pena down? Just hit Rammy 3rd, I don’t care, but there’s no reason for Montanez to be hitting 3rd.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 11, 2011 2:09 PM CDT reply actions
Peña is batting .067 against lefties.
Montañez is batting .357 against lefties (and has a history of mashing lefties in the minors).
We'll all miss you Ron.
Still no apparent reason not to get LeMahieu
in the lineup once or twice at second base.
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The reason I am a Cub fan forever
(a season)
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
And that'll only happen if everyone else is hurt.
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The reason I am a Cub fan forever
Well that has nothing to do with the original post
But sure, I wouldn’t mind a DJ start every once in a while, but Barney is one of the few guys who has done his job well consistently.
We'll all miss you Ron.
Thats my thinking too...
Barney’s been solid, if unspectacular. A rookie giving you solid play is hard to sit, but I think this is very close to his ceiling as a player.
Yea, solid is accurate here
A guy with great defense, solid batting average and goes to the plate with a good approach every AB, and a bit above average speed that is smart on the bases could be a piece on a contender, probably not in the 2 hole, but for the Cubs who have no 2 hole hitter at all, Barney fills his role well.
We'll all miss you Ron.
LeMahieu might be a 2 hole hitter in the future...
with his high average and contact skills, but Barney’s just more ready to be that guy.
I am curious how he goes to the plate with a good approach??
He is more of a free swinger like the rest of the bunch. A 2 hitter who rarely works the count, has 14 base on balls in 338 PA is hardly a good approach to me.
His defense is superb and I agree on his baseball IQ – but when you look at times when you have Barney, Castro, Rami 2-4 I see hitters going to the plate looking to hit their way on instead of finding any way to get on base.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
I think Barney generally swings at strikes...
His problem is that he’s just not a very powerful hitter. He can probably hit for decent average in a given year ( like this year), but otherwise there’s not much other talents a the plate.
BB isn't necessarily indicative of a good approach
Part of the reason in my opinion that he walks so little is that pitchers go after him because he has Starlin, Rami, and Peña behind him. But by good approach I mean a guy who goes into every PA knowing what his job is. Runner on second less than two outs, go oppo to move the runner over for example. Runner on 3rd less than two outs, get a ball out of the infield, or a ball not at the pitcher or 3rd basemen. Things like that are indications of a good approach.
We'll all miss you Ron.
Aramis 3rd...
I bet there’d be complaints about that.
I really, legitimately don’t believe there’s a lineup Quade could make with this group of players that would please everyone (anyone?). For instance, our #2 hitter has a .320 OBP and no power but that rarely gets complaints.
Honestly the only lineup that would please me this year using players we already have:
Castro SS
LeMahieu 2B
Ramirez 3B
Pena 1B
Soriano LF
Soto C
Jackson CF
Kosuke RF
P
But yeah…that just isn’t happening right now for many, many different reasons.
Stacked lineup
- Pena 3-45 vs LHP
- Colvin 1-20 vs LHP
- Garza 1-21
PS Free LeMahieu
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
completely random
But can anyone tell me who it’s looking like will be starting for the Cubs next Friday and Saturday vs the Yankees?
by ryanbaker08 on Jun 11, 2011 3:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
if they don't skip anybody it should be davis and dempter...
and wells on sunday
You can't win in the postseason unless you can manufacture runs. - Hall of Fame 2B Joe Morgan
Our guys on the DL
Soriano, Byrd, Baker and Johnson are all RH. Their replacements, Colvin, Snyder, Campana are LH. LeMahieu is the only RH and he’s sitting today against the LH lee, who has a 0.91 WHIP vs LHB. It just doesn’t make sense.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
So are Pena, DeWitt and Colvin
We’re not balanced. Same as out relief pitching, it’s too heavy LH.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
You thing JH is still following Lou's instructions?
Maybe someone should remind him that Piniella is working for New York this year.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
"It just doesn't make sense"
Your 2011 Cubs bumper sticker
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Who is this idiot on WGN right now?
This guy makes Mike Murphy sound useful.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??

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