Peter Gammons calls Wrigley a "Dump"
I liked Peter Gammons a lot better when he was reporting baseball news. Now he just throws his opinion around instead.
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Gammons does not subscribe the news adage
No News is better than Old News
It’s sad that he spoke out on an issue that has been well documented by the team, media, and fans, and was so far behind the curve on it.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
Peter Gammons can suck it
Looks like the Dimentia is setting in.
Yea, the dimentia comment is a horrible comment
People who can’t express themselves successfully or add a stimulating insight to conversation because of a lack of communication skills or intellect, often wade into the sewer to scoop up hurtful words to express themselves. I see no place for this type of behavior in such a good, decent and responsible blog such as this.
"Don't shed any tears. You think about this: Here I am, the grandson of a slave. And here the whole world was excited about whether I was going into the Hall of Fame or not. We've come a long ways." BUCK O'NEIL
by HotDogDude on Jun 12, 2011 11:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I apologize if anyone found this offensive
And trust me, it’s not due to a lack of insight or communication skills. It was over the top. While I think that most of society is hyper sensitive as a whole, I realize it only takes one to be upset and I do take pride in maintaining an intelligent, clean image. My apologies.
Also, I find it interesting that I am called out relaying a joke about a common senior disease, yet it’s perfectly acceptable to make dozens of fat jokes about our recent 2nd round pick Dan Vogelbach. Jokes are common for both stereotypes fat and elderly. Again, not making an excuse for my comment, but some fair perspective here would also be nice.
It goes back and forth, I guess.
Previously it was fair game to make jokes about Lou’s age and possible afflictions, whereas making fun of Hendry’s weight was not.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
It's a hard call......
…… while someone using “retard” as a pejorative is unacceptable, I wonder about the use of “dementia”. Had you used “senile” instead, or “senior moment”, who knows? Maybe that would have been okay. And I say this as someone whose father in law has had Alzhemier’s going on 12 years now, FWIW.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I can agree with that
Definitely fair perspective. Like I said, apologies to anyone who was offended by it. I’ll choose a more conservative approach next time. I’m just getting sick of Gammons. He really isn’t much of a quality source anymore.
This is just dumb.
Gammons needs to retire.
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The ballpark in it's present form does put this organization behind the 8-ball and it's sorely..
..in need of rehab. You have to at least admit that. He probably could have referred to Wrigley as something other than a dump but he’s right that the ballpark currently puts this team at a marked disadvantage.
by troutfishin on Jun 11, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not like the Cubs don't spend money every year on up-keep.
The park goes through constant renovations every year. In recent years the Cubs have rebuilt the entire playing surface, expanded the bleachers, expanded front row seating sections in the infield to make the CBOE area, renovated luxury suites to make the PNC area, improved the bathroom facilities, etc, etc.
Gammons’ comment here is just plain old uninformed and, it doesn’t sound like he cares to be informed anymore.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Much of what they've done is like putting band-aid on a bone deep laceration.
The most significant improvement in regards to the actual structural integrity of the ballpark was done in the bleachers. Much of the area where concrete had fallen has yet to be addressed and the modernization of the interior concourses and the lack of signage revenue still puts them at a disadvantage.
by troutfishin on Jun 11, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
That's all true.
Gammons calling it a “dump” does not advance the story, nor help matters any.
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I agree he should have chosen a better word, I agree partly with what Gammons..
..says but he’s ignoring a more significant aspect of the Cubs failures and that lies in drafting, player development, and the obese contracts handed out to undeserving free agents.
Looking back on the Soriano deal, the Cubs outbid themselves in obtaining his services, there wasn’t another team that even came close to offering Soriano what Hendry gave him.
by troutfishin on Jun 11, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Without getting into any sort of flame war...
… we know that John McDonough tacked on an extra year to the Soriano offer without Hendry’s knowledge, and at least two other teams (Phillies and Angels) were after him at the time.
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No flame war here but If I remember correctly the Angels were...
…offering 5yrs/70million. Far cry from the Cubs contract.
by troutfishin on Jun 11, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't have a cite but ISTR....
… the Angels offering 7/100 (or thereabouts).
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It may have been two.
In any case, it wasn’t Hendry’s doing.
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It's not Gammons' job to help matters. Who cares if he calls it a dump?
He just pointed out that the place is in bad shape and the amount of money spent bringing it up to par will be sizable enough to have a negative impact on other aspects of the organization like signing free agents, player development etc.
When I look up from my season ticket seats I see nets protecting me from falling concrete. When I look at the pillar to my right I see a pipe whose insulation has been ripped and falling out for over ten seasons. When I go to the restroom, well, you know.
Dump is not really such an overstatement.
by the nth on Jun 11, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
First of all, the falling concrete was a complete non-story.
The mass media made a big deal out of it, but when it was proven that a lot of the “fallen chunks” were not part of Wrigley, but had been brought in by people off the street trying to make money off the Cubs, that didn’t get reported. No concrete has “fallen” since 2004, and they do work every winter to shore up the park.
I don’t know about the insulated pipe near your section. Where is that?
And as you well know from reading this site, the restrooms have been spiffed up over the last year.
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I work for a company that did a structural inspection on the bleachers...
…prior to renovation. Prior to the complete renovation they had to shore up the bleachers because of some structural issues. One of the biggest reasons the bleacher expansion project got approved and completed in the time it did was because of the safety issues in the bleachers.
If the bleachers were in that shape it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that the rest of the ballpark is in need of a complete overhaul.
You're right.
However, all the reports I’ve seen indicate that work is done every offseason to deal with problems in the upper deck and that the nets are there… well, because it’s just as easy to leave them there.
It’s clear that extensive renovation of the upper deck is necessary. The entire lower deck was redone in 1968.
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1968
is 43 years ago.
How many other stadiums in baseball are more than 43 years old?
A: Two. (Fenway and Dodger Stadium).
Angel Stadium opened in 1966
Like Fenway and Dodger Stadium, it’s been renovated significantly.
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie" -- Tony Montana
That isn't the point.
The point is, that 43 years old isn’t that old for a building made (or remade) out of the materials used.
But don’t let that stop you taking a swipe at me.
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Dont ever go up in the "sears " tower
its just a few years older than than 43 years!
And I will always call ut the Sears tower!
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
Of course a lot of work needs to be done
But, it’s not as if the Cubs sit there being idle, and don’t address anything. They make improvements where they can, every year.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
You're missing a few points here
1. Gammons stated nothing new.
2. The Cubs have previously said they need more than the $200 million that Gammons stated.
3. The Cubs management visited Fenway during the last series vs. the red sox.
All of that makes Gammons comments look foolish.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jun 11, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Having spent the weekend at Fenway
which is a lovely place, I have no idea why anyone would call Wrigley a “dump”. Fenway has a far worse design in terms of fans being able to get up from their seats and there was nothing remotely spiffy about it. I think the area for players at Wrigley is bad and I don’t really know the situation at Fenway for that , but there nothing about Wrigley that is a “dump”, it just does not have the kind of extraneous stuff ( jumbotron, fancy food stuffs, kids play areas) that more modern parks have and while they could add the first two, not having them does not make Wrigley a dump. Most of the “renovations” wanted have understandably to do with making more revenue ( more luxury seats, more expensive food, more stuff going on) but this in no way makes the current Wrigley a dump.
I also continue to be amazed that the clueless Ricketts think they can emulate the Fenway street fair model when unlike Fenway, Wrigley is in a completely residential neighborhood and they don’t get to close streets to make more money.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 11, 2011 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I also continue to be amazed that the clueless Ricketts think they can emulate the Fenway street fair model when unlike Fenway, Wrigley is in a completely residential neighborhood and they don’t get to close streets to make more money.
This is true. They CAN do something like this IF they ever get the Triangle Building built — their plan is for an alley like Yawkey Way to be built between the building and the ballpark. Since that is on the non-residential side of the park it would probably work.
But as of now, that’s still a pretty big IF.
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Isn't the Triangle goiing on Clark
What street are you closing off Clark or just taking the entire area on the west side of the park
which is now mostly parking and making it a festival. OK with me but where do the cars go?
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 11, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they want the current parking lot area to be the new party strip.
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
In the parking garage that's going to be part of the building.
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I am still not clear
The want to build a building with lots of parking AND a fan area all on the piece that is between Clark & Waveland to the park/Does not seem big enough to me.This in any event is an expensive project and if they want the walk around “fair” area like Fenway they could for now simply move the cars, fence in the area and make it a food/ souvenir walk around area accessible only to fans at the game. The close off Sheffield plan is beyond insulting to the area. What makes them think they should EVER be able to close off a public street? Again keep in mind the Fenway set up is ONLY for ticket holders so what people who live there have to show ID to go their house? Good luck.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jun 11, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Sheffield is pretty much closed off (between Addison/Waveland) every game
There are barriers set up and the traffic monitors only seem to let certain vehicles (busses) in – at least that’s how it appears when entering/leaving the gate
by doofus cubs guy on Jun 11, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
It is closed to most traffic
but it not turned into closed off ticket holder only party place filled with food & drink/venders. That is what the Red Sox CAN do a non residental street, but the Cubs can not. If the Cubs want a place for fans to party and spend money they can clear out the cars and everything else on East side of Clark to Waveland. Of course players and execs and media trucks will have to find another spot.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 11, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just saying - in answer to your question -
‘What makes them think they should EVER be able to close off a public street?’ that it’s basically being done for most games so it shouldn’t be surprising to think that they can do it
by doofus cubs guy on Jun 11, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
No they merely are restricting traffic
They are NOT closing off the street. Anyone can still walk down it and in certain cases drive down it. What the happens at Fenway is a street becomes the private property of the Red Sox ( I don’ t think they own the piece but I can’t actually be sure) which they can exploit to make lots of money, the fact that the Cubs don’t understand the difference between the situation at Fenway and a residential street is mind boggling. They truly lust for this and even if they bought every building on the block, it remains a public street.
The Cubs might in fact be able to do this on land they have adjacent to the park along Clark St, but first they have to move all their player & exec parking. sound trucks etc. If they want the revenue which I understand , they need to use their own private property.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jun 11, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
If they can get permission from the City I don't see why they can't do it -
isn’t that what happened for the NW game, right? Wasn’t it closed off then?
by doofus cubs guy on Jun 11, 2011 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
There was I believe an understandable neighborhood uproar
The Cubs actually want to do this not ONCE a year but for WEEKS.
There is no way they get city permission to do this. Again they have their OWN property they can clear off for this. Closing off a public street is a problem not merely for that block for for blocks around it. If the Cubs want to use the “Wrigleyville” image to sell the park, fine but they don’t own the streets. Again there a HUGE difference between a residental and commercial area which the Cubs don’t seem to understand. Also they literally could not to what the Red Sox do, which make the street part of the park and limiting access to ticket holders only, though I doubt the Cubs would actually want to do that , I would not put anything past them.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 11, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
D Stalker is right on all counts
I was in Boston too and she is right on with the comparison to Fenway. For one game I did not have enough room to put my feet on the floor! That makes it dumpy to me.
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by Dan Serafini on Jun 11, 2011 6:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I also head Gammons make some puzzling comments on the radio yesterday.
In support of Hendry, he said something to this effect.
“They asked him to spend in free agency on guys like Ramirez and Soriano, but then when it comes to the draft they say… you don’t have any money to spend at your slot.”
And that comment doesn’t make much sense to me either. If there’s any area that’s a positive right now for the organization, it’s the first round draft success of Tim Wilken.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
"They asked him to spend in free agency"
So Hendry’s the puppet and his strings were being pulled? So its not Hendry’s fault? Come on.
This is where Gammons goes off the rails.
first to blame Wrigley solely for Cub ineptitude and makes Hendry sound like nothing more than a puppet.
If this is true...
find out who “they” were and have them shot.
MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT ALREADY. THIS GAME IS ABOUT ADJUSTMENTS.
by MaTheMeatloaf on Jun 11, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Gammons supporting Hendry?
Yup, dude has lost it.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
I believe he has...
…but you have to remember, Hendry is loved by the media, because he is such a “likable” guy.
Gammons had it wrong when he said Ricketts didn’t know how much work the park needed, because I believe they did. What could be the case, is Ricketts miscalculated the approach they would use to raise the money and now he is scrambling a bit. Gammons has also been jaded towards the Red Sox for many years, for obvious reasons.
Does anyone really need media types to validate what is going on with the Cubs???
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I use to read Gammons in the Boston Globe
from 1983 to 1994 when I was living in New England. Always enjoyed his work. This was before the explosion of the internet so getting any tidbit on the Cubs was special.
I fear now with his past health issues his work has suffered. I believe the word “Dump” should of been replaced with “Wrigley will need some serious renovations and the Ricketts did not fully understand the cost”.
Gammons is hardly the first
to call Wrigley a ‘dump’. Nor will he be the last. Many players have said the same, including, as I recall, Lance Berkman.
I would tend to agree that calling Wrigley a dump is not very specific, but I think most people get what is being referred to. I had a friend from Chicago who recently went to a game at Great American Ballpark who walked up to the ticket office just before the game and bought the cheapest ticket they had on sale. His comment afterward: “The worst seats at GAB are better than the best seats at Wrigley”. I think that about sums it up.
I really enjoyed GAB
Me and a friend stopped there on a road trip back from Florida. $5 tickets too.
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Opinion. Not fact, referring to "worst @ GAB"
Just like most posts here.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 11, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The seats may be more comfy, but you are a lot farther away from the game
Which is Wrigley’s hole card. Old and need of a major remake? Sure. But there is still that intimacy with the game that no other MLB park I have been to has.
I have no idea why some seat in GAB OF
would even be close to box at Wrigley unless the only thing you go to a baseball game for the leg room. You and I happen to fans of old movies, would you rather see a film a classic old theater like the Castro, Atlanta Fox etc. or one of the new fangled theaters with big cushy reclining seats and waiter service.
GAB was only slightly above Citizens Bank as the least interesting new park I have been to. Nothing wrong with it but very dull & plastic.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jun 11, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I live in Cincinnati
And GAB is, well,……OK. And that’s it. Kind of “Generic 40,000 seat” ballpark. Once the county had to spend $500M on a stadium for the Bungles, there wasn’t enough left for an interesting baseball stadium. Went to Arlington recently and that park has a lot more charm, but still lacks the “game played in you lap” feel that Wrigley has.
Not a valid analogy
The Castro, the Atlanta Fox, etc have all been carefully and lovingly restored and upgraded. The seats were replaced with modern, wider and more comfortable seating. The lighting and sound systems have been upgraded with modern technology. The fixtures in the bathrooms have been replaced. The organs have been restored. And, gasp, both theaters have been equipped with digital projection.
Both you and I have seen movies in old movie palaces that have not been restored. While those theaters retain a certain old world charm, there is no comparison to the experience of going to a new theater or an old one that has been restored. Uncomfortable and cramped seats, inadequate projection, lousy sound and archaic, cramped facilities are the hallmarks. And, they generally are dirty and smelly. Sound familiar?
The big thing I noticed at Wrigley
when I walked around it is the really poor sight lines. I still think Wrigley has more bad seats than any ballpark I have ever been to, and I’ve seen games at old Shibe Park, Forbes Field, old Yankee Stadium, etc.
The newer ballparks do a lot of subtle (and some not so subtle) things to improve the sight lines from seats in every part of the ballpark. Like for instance, the seats down the foul lines are angled towards home plate. The design of the main seating areas “wrap” around the field. There are just so many things that make a ballgame at a newer park a much more enjoyable experience.
Like for instance, the seats down the foul lines are angled towards home plate. The design of the main seating areas "wrap" around the field.
You mean like they did at Wrigley when they renovated the lower deck in 1968? They cut out 5,000 seats to do that.
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Old Comiskey...
…had the worst sight lines I have ever seen, far worse than Wrigley.
With that said, you have valid points.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Old Yankee Stadium had thousands of bad seats.
So did old Cleveland Municipal.
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Scariest upper deck I have ever been in
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I have been...
…in the visitors clubhouse at Wrigley, and it is indeed a “dump” and that is why so many visiting players/coaches have had those comments.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I've been in there, too.
It’s very small. I wouldn’t call it a “dump”, though.
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"dump"...
…might be strong, but it is so far below other visiting clubhouses, that is why you get the comments you do. The other thing players and coaches don’t like is the lack of batting cages, etc..
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
The lack of batting cages affects the home team, too.
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It does...
…but the visitors bring it up more often, because Cub’s players are used to it.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Gammons calling Wrigley a dump as a Red Sox fan??
Shut up your face
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
The place probably needs to be upgraded more extravagently but...
Gammons probably shouldn’t have said it. Offending people is just bad and wrong.
I’ve always like Gammons though. He’s got a really strong passion for the sport and I’ve always been impressed that he keeps up with what’s going on in the game. When most writers were mocking MoneyBall for whatever people whined about when that book came out, Gammons tried to learn a little about baseball stats. I can’t knock a guy like him too harshly.
I'm finding myself agreeing with you today but you're right...
…Gammons has always been a class act who knows a lot about what he writes about, unlike most sports writers.
He rarely goes for the easy
“Zomg sky falling who to blame” garbage most writers pump out. Hes made a conscious effort throughout his career to find interesting info to report. Not that he hasn’t written trash before. Just it happens less often than say…a Plaschke in LA.
by SenorGato on Jun 11, 2011 5:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You don't like P. in the Times?
He’s pretty good. You must be thinking about TJ Simers, a poor man’s Jay Mariotti. That’s not a compliment.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 11, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Gammons is better than this
Seems like he was going for a quick, compact statement that would fit within the time allotted for the interview when he made with the Bette Davis-All About Eve line. Poor choice of words on his part.
I agree, he seems to have always been a class act. Wrigley may be a dump..
..in certain aspects but it’s our dump.
Ive thought Plaschke was a douche since
he led the firing squad on Depodesta because Paul La Duca got traded.
No clue on what he’s written since or probably otherwise.
by SenorGato on Jun 11, 2011 8:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
douche
that’s offensive
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by Hammer on Jun 11, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't call out others is you do the same.
It’s simple.
Oh you're mad at that?
I’ll check down that no one takes a joke here well. I don’t even remember the word I called offensive because it was said tongue in cheek.
"Tongue in cheek" doesn't work well here.
Neither does your attitude.
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What is the record for warnings here??
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Ive thought Plaschke was a douche since
he led the firing squad on Depodesta because Paul La Duca got traded.
No clue on what he’s written since or probably otherwise.
by SenorGato on Jun 11, 2011 8:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
However it happened....
Big Joe was right. DePodesta set the Dodgers back. He hasn’t gotten another GM job for a reason.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I disagree that DePodesta set the Dodgers back.
He hasn’t gotten another GM job because he wasn’t a media or people pleaser.
Plaschke actually made fun of the guy because he looked at stats. As if he wasn’t writing the story in the 21st century. Guy’s like that are just a joke to sports journalism….they live to print/write sensationalist bs.
I'm no fan of Plaschke's....
……. by any stretch. If there ever a band wagon sports writer, he’s it. But DePodesta’s issues went beyond his lack of media savvy. He was just in over his head.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
That's what Plaschke was preaching.
His whole reason for bashing Depodesta was that he didn’t understand that lo Duca was the heart and soul of the dodgers. He didn’t get that because he was a numbers nerd who didn’t know baseball. Personally I think Depodesta is a legit baseball man.
by SenorGato on Jun 13, 2011 6:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
....says the Red Sox loving guy
You would think he knows what a crappy ballpark looks like considering he spends so much time at Fenway.
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Gammons
Gammons has never had a scoop on the Cubs that proved to be true. Does he have a better track record on other teams?
Remember his insistence in 2004 Greg Maddux was on his way to the Yankees?
What about his constant reporting Sammy Sosa was all but a Yankee in 2000? He even reported the cubs had arranged to borrow the Pirates press conference room as they were in Pittsburgh.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
So Gammons is either a yuppie or a Sox fan
WHich one or both?
Those are the only people who call Wrigley a dump. Saying it needs improvements is one thing but only yuppies and Sox fans call it a dump (White Sox to be exact)
And remember he was on WSOX.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
Plenty of other team fans call it a dump as well.
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by South Side Expat on Jun 13, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Gammons is still around
He had baseball’s first rumor. The rumor the game had been invented.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
Who really cares what Gammons says
He’s biased from a RedSox perspective. But one has to admit Fenway has taken HUGE strides to update. Fenway also doesn’t have any many obstacles Wrigley has either.
And lets all face it now, we all know Wrigley needs A LOT of WORK. Should it matter that some “outsider” would dare to belie our old & cramped ballpark?
But we must also face the fact that SOMEDAY Wrigley may have to be replaced.
Look at all the teams that moved from their hallowed grounds (>50 yrs) at one time or another: Tigers Stadium, Comiskey Park, Forbes Field, Yankee Stadium, Crosley Field, Sportsman’s Park, Montreal Forum, Maple Leaf Gardens, Detroit Olympia, Boston Garden & Chicago Stadium.
Just win the next game...!
Possible Scheduling Nightmares with Renovations?
Realistically, I question whether major renovations to Wrigley Field could be done in one offseason. Whenever the renovations take place, I think the Cubs will have to play most, if not all, of their home games at the Cell. I still don’t dismiss the possibility of the odd home game being played at Milwaukee. Of course, the Cell is way closer than Milwaukee, and it’s far easier to arrange the Cubs and White Sox to be away at different times than it is for the Cubs and Brewers to be away at different times. I couldn’t see any more than three home games being played in Milwaukee, if any at all. I don’t know if the renovations can be done in sections or not to keep the team from vacating the Friendly Confines. Seeing the Cubs play home games outside of Wrigley may become a reality, at least on a temporary basis.
2011 - The 103rd time is the charm.
Whenever the renovations take place, I think the Cubs will have to play most, if not all, of their home games at the Cell.
Doubt it. They can do it section by section, during offseasons, even during road trips. I think they can do it without having to move out at all.
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