Chicago Cubs vs. Philadelphia Phillies Preview, Sunday 6/12, 12:35 CT: The End Of The Road (Trip)
by Al Yellon on Jun 12, 2011 10:30 AM CDT
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The Cubs are 2-7 so far on this longest road trip of the 2011 season. Actually, that's two games better than a lot of people thought they'd do before the trip began; there were some here who thought the Cubs could lose all 10 games on the trip.
The worst the Cubs have done in recent years on a road trip of this length is 1-9; they lost all but one game of a trip to Cincinnati, St. Louis and Milwaukee from Sept. 11-20, 2000, near the end of a dismal season where they lost 97 games. In 1997, the Cubs (who finished 68-94) lost all seven games of a trip to Colorado and Atlanta, and in 1954, when trips were longer, they went 2-11 on a trip to Pittsburgh, Brooklyn, New York and Milwaukee (that team went 64-90). That last one was bookended; they won the first and last games of the trip, sandwiching them around an 11-game losing streak.
So a loss today would not make this the worst road trip in Cubs history. But it's bad enough. And you can see from the above where this year's final record is probably heading. (And there's more possible historic badness after the jump, regarding today's starting pitcher.)
Cubs lineup:
Fukudome RF, Barney 2B, Castro SS, Pena 1B, Ramirez 3B, DeWitt LF, Colvin CF, Hill C, Davis P
Phillies lineup was not available at the time of posting. You can add it to the comments if you find it.
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Doug Davis last pitched against the Phillies on August 20, 2009 when he was with the Diamondbacks. He gave up five runs in five innings. That pretty much looks like most of his starts as a Cub so far. There have been only three pitchers in Cubs history who have gone through an entire season winless with as many as six losses: Angel Guzman in 2006, Dave Smith in 1991 and Dick Drott in 1960. A loss today would drop Davis to 0-6. Such is the 2011 season.
Roy Oswalt pitched twice against the Cubs in 2010, both while he was still with the Astros. He threw seven shutout innings at Wrigley Field on April 17 and got a win, but the Cubs hit him pretty hard in Houston on June 5 and defeated him. Tyler Colvin and Aramis Ramirez hit home runs that day. Home runs. I remember home runs.
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Today's first pitch thread will be up at 12:30 pm CDT and the overflow threads will post at 1:30 pm, 2:30 pm and 3:15 pm CDT. If you need more overflows due to extra innings or rain delays, post them in the fanshot section.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Home runs?
What is a “home run”?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 12, 2011 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
I don't care for Oswalt.
I remember him hitting DLee at the end of the season late in a game in a real chicken shit move.
I hope we pound him like we did last year and get in their bullpen early. Not sure if this team can do that but that is why there is hope.
Was going to see Soriano today but rain is coming and not interested in sitting through showers. Will have to settle for TV and see Oswalt get beat.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Jun 12, 2011 10:39 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Sorry, but with Davis pitching the team is flying the "L" flag before warm-ups.....
Wouldn’t be surprise to see 4 or 5 put up in the bottom of the 1st. It’s not like Davis’ lollipops are going to fool anyone in the Phi’s lineup.
Why is Castro
hitting 3rd? I understand the slot is intended for usually the best hitter on the team, but Castro does not posses a lot of power.
The chances of Dome hitting 3rd is about as good them sweeping their next series
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 12, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, if the Cubs think they have any chance of moving Kosuke ...
they should keep in hitting first, where he’s comfortable and has hit better longer than at any point in the past four years.
I think the teeth-gnashing over Castro hitting third is pretty ridiculous.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Jun 12, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you and I could be put in the line up and it would be about the same results
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Not like he is hitting for any power, either
The best of a bad lot would be to hit Pena 3rd against RHP. Against LHP, have a lottery amongst the RH hitters and the loser hits 3rd that day.
Today's random lineup generated by a... (wait for it) ...random number generator is 7 4 2 8 6 1 9 3 5
which would be DeWitt, Barney, Hill, Colvin, Castor, Fukudome, Davis, Pena, Ramirez.
Nice to see Hill is still getting good mileage out of those pictures. ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
so what does the random#'s say about how many innings/ runs
Doug gives up
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
How depressing
Accurate, yes, but depressing…
by thebluecrew1908 on Jun 12, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm missing our collective testicular torsion today.
Formula 1 runs in Montréal at noon. But they’ll have enough commercial breaks for me to check in and continue my masochistic patronage of our Chicago Cubs.
"I'm not a broadcaster! I'm me!"--Ron Santo
I went to that race in 1996.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 12, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
A bad F1 race will be more entertaining than the 2011 Cubs
I don’t have the choice of watching the Cubs, but F1 would get my vote anyway.
yep - nothing more entertaining than watching a lot of bad wrecks due to poor moves and bad judgement.
But enough about the Cubs… ;-)
Gallows Humor – Catch It!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Glad to see Campna getting to rot another day on the bench.
DJ too!!!!!
Stick with whats working right? Wait…
A COMPLETE JOKE IS WHAT THIS TEAM IS!
This team is not a joke
Jokes are funny. Jokes are entertaining. People like jokes. This team is a tragedy, and calling this team a joke is an insult to jokes everywhere
by thebluecrew1908 on Jun 12, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
No, they have broken through tragedy and gone all the way to farce
Sort of like the Hamlet section of “The Complete Works of William Shakespeare (Abridged).”
That is true...you are correct....How about..
This team is run like crap top to bottom and their owner thinks everything is fine.
This about sums it up
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
by SackMan on Jun 12, 2011 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
You should post all these you've made in one catch-all thread.
They’re pretty great.
"I'm not a broadcaster! I'm me!"--Ron Santo
He should make a FanPost.
Seriously. That would be an awesome thread.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 12, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking of making a fanpost... vote for your favorite.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Niiiiice
Rec’d
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 12, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Change the "weekend at" to "season with" and it'd be perfect...
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 12, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
^THIS^
"Don't eat the eggs". "Why?" "Bill put LSD in the eggs"... Bill: "and in the water..." "But Bill...we drank the water!" From the parady "Cub Fans that Stare at Pujols".
Perfect. rec'd
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Here's a "fun" Cubs fact
The Cubs are 1-14 in games started by Davis, Russell, or Lopez. Also, they are 2-18 in games in which any of these pitchers appear. In their combined 15 starts, they’ve managed just 1 quality start, due to the fact that Davis is the only one of them that has pitched 6 innings in a start. Good thing we cut back on SP before the season eh? Would really hate to have any depth there
by thebluecrew1908 on Jun 12, 2011 10:56 AM CDT reply actions
Dead Horse. Beaten.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 12, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Kinda like
every other topic being discussed here these days? Just thought those numbers were interesting, in a train wreck/dumpster fire kinda way
by thebluecrew1908 on Jun 12, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I kinda thought the "pitching depth" topic had been moved on from....
…and we were all fastening the noose for Quade.
But, hey, have at it.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 12, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually I realize they were bad...
but numbers bring the point home.
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 12, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Dead Horses
The one thing the Cubs CAN beat
by thebluecrew1908 on Jun 12, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
SMALL horses...
…ponies really…sick, dying ponies…~sniff~
"Don't eat the eggs". "Why?" "Bill put LSD in the eggs"... Bill: "and in the water..." "But Bill...we drank the water!" From the parady "Cub Fans that Stare at Pujols".
Phillies lineup
Rollins SS, Victorino CF, Utley 2B, Howard 1B, Francisco RF, Ibanez LF, Ruiz C, Valdez 3B, Oswalt P
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I remember when we had lineups that looked like that.
In other words, lineups that didn’t look anemic.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Really thought Campano would get a start today...
Sigh…..
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 12, 2011 11:04 AM CDT reply actions
Chilango....
Nobody cares about my fantasy team
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 12, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
go cubs?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
by eths on Jun 12, 2011 11:04 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
since it's in lower case, we'll accept it, eths. :)
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 12, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
yah, my KoolAid reserves are running a tad low
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Trying to decide if it's worth the effort to set my DVR
I mean, after all, I would have to walk all the way over to the tv. I’m thinking this episode of the frollicking Cubs is gonna end the way the majority have this season.
ITS 2011, TIME TO GO TO CUBBIE HEAVEN!
by superdave72760 on Jun 12, 2011 11:17 AM CDT reply actions
Al, any update on the street fests for Yankees, Sox and Cards series
I haven’t heard one word about it in the last two months and I live a block away so I’m assuming it’s not happening on Sheffield.
As far as I know, it's not happening on Sheffield.
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Saw this in the Peter Gammons calls Wrigley a Dump article
A plan to shut down Sheffield Avenue, a public street outside the right-field bleachers, for a Cubs-sponsored street festival during three weekend series featuring the Yankees, White Sox and Cardinals met some resistance. Instead, the Cubs are planning a scaled-down version of a street party in a smaller area on their own property on the west side of the ballpark, with family activities and booths selling food and beer.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
My Dad is so mad
He’s seriously thinking about dropping his MLB package on DirecTV
ITS 2011, TIME TO GO TO CUBBIE HEAVEN!
by superdave72760 on Jun 12, 2011 11:20 AM CDT reply actions
This was linked in a fanpost already.
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I was busy and I missed that fanpost
So I appreciated the post mikeJW. Hate to say it, but it makes too much sense for the Cubs org. to follow
"Don't eat the eggs". "Why?" "Bill put LSD in the eggs"... Bill: "and in the water..." "But Bill...we drank the water!" From the parady "Cub Fans that Stare at Pujols".
Doug Dascenzo is pitching today?
I think I’d almost rather have him.
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almost??? :)
"Don't eat the eggs". "Why?" "Bill put LSD in the eggs"... Bill: "and in the water..." "But Bill...we drank the water!" From the parady "Cub Fans that Stare at Pujols".
Well, that's it...
clear evidence you are indeed a Cubs Fan… :)
"Don't eat the eggs". "Why?" "Bill put LSD in the eggs"... Bill: "and in the water..." "But Bill...we drank the water!" From the parady "Cub Fans that Stare at Pujols".
Oi!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
JUMP
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Why the F is Doug Davis starting?
Number one, he has been nothing short of absolutely God awful. Number two, he has zero future on this team. I know we don’t exactly have a ton of young arms, but at least give starts to someone who has a shot at contributing down the road.
I really, really dislike Mike Quade.
I don't hate Doug Davis.
It’s not his fault that our team is run by two complete idiots that just don’t get it.
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