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I am done. I finished it. There are spoilers here. There is discussion of a TV show here. If you don't care, or if you aren't to the end yet, stop reading.

OK...we're back.

 

I am filled with rage at the sight of Stan Valchek and Scott Templeton in their glory. I am near tears over Dukie. I am giddy at Kima and Bunk busting each others' balls. I find myself strangely happy that Chris and Wee-Bay are friends in prison.

I want more.

Season 5 was by far, in my opinion, the weakest of the five seasons. As much as I enjoyed the Gus Haynes character's wit, I found the whole newspaper storyline to be a blunt instrument. Yes, Mr. Simon, we get that you don't like what the Baltimore Sun turned into, but be a bit more subtle.

The beauty of this show has always been that there are vew few heroes and villians. Templeton -- and his toady editors -- were one-dimensional. And while I agree that someone who makes up stories is horrifying to those in the industry, it is hardly the biggest problem journalism faces.

Simon lost me with the very first episode on the newspaper, when he had the exec editor stand up and say the Sun was closing its bureaus in London, Moscow and Jerusalem due to budget cuts. My first reaction was, "Why the f--- does a Baltimore paper have a Moscow bureau???"

For someone whose major thesis is allegedly that the newspaper doesn't have the resources to cover a city like it should be covered -- as illustrated by the poor coverage the deaths of Prop Joe and Omar received -- then why the hell doesn't it just rely on the AP for international coverage?

But I digress. I'd rather talk about the series as a whole, now that I have finished it.

It's been fashionable to say that the cycle goes on and on -- Bubbles becomes Dukie; Omar becomes Michael; Carver becomes Daniels; etc. etc...

But the heartbreaking thing is that the cycle seems to be gettng worse.

Bubbles at least had his sister, who gave him chance after chance until he broke the cycle. Dukie has no one and just threw his last friend, Prez, out the door.

Carver has the intergrity that Daniels did, but just seems too light, too conflicted, too compromised, to be able to rise to power.

Michael has a great smirk, but I just think he's going to be dead in two years. I can't reconcile the sweet kid with the master street tactician Omar.

Just as Marlo was worse than Avon -- who at least had a code and honor and family -- I fear the next will be worse than Marlo.

And yet Bubbles does get to walk up the steps. Bunk and Kima get to keep doing their thing. Prez is a good teacher. McNulty finally gets thrown off the job he was born to do, but would have killed him eventually. Daniels may eventually rise to power through the defense side of the courtroom.

We are left with enough optimism that we can hope that Dukie gets out; Templeton gets found out; Carcetti has some sex scandal and gets thrown out; and that Lester somehow becomes the greatest private detective ever while McNulty guards the hell out of a shopping mall every day and comes home to Beadie and the kids every night.

But we are left with just enough pessimism to believe that Michael's body will be zipped into the body bag before he's 30; Marlo will return and no one will remember the threat to put him in jail; Carcetti will be someone's vice president someday and Randy will come out harder and more vicious than Marlo dreamed of being.

In the end, I fear that most of them will end up like Nick Sobotka. I found that heartbreaking. The case cost him his uncle and his cousin and he had to leave his city for Witness Protection, but he was able to come back with no fear because no one cared.

McNulty and Lester and Colvin and Randy and the rest of the cast-offs could just disappear into the system, consigned to "Remember that guy?" That depresses me most of all. I'd rather see Randy kick ass on the streets that just get lost as a minor player. I'd rather see McNulty in jail for beating the crap out of someone who committed rape in a hotel where he was security than just be a nameless rent-a-cop.

In short, we can make this show everything we want it to be, depending on how we feel that day.

I want more. And I can have it anytime I want.

But I won't say no to Simon doing another year...

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Bubbles becomes Dukie; Omar becomes Michael;

Didn’t you get that backwards?

I rank the seasons 1,4,3,2,5. I hated season 2 when I watched it, and it almost made me stop…but then I rewatched the series this spring (through it twice) and I found a new appreciation for season 2.

When I wanted to get my wife into the Wire, I showed her the classroom scene where the girl slashes the other girl, and Dookie goes and puts the fan on her face. I love that scene.

Also the glorious scene where Bunk and McNulty use one swear word 34 times, and only that word, and it tells the whole story.

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by Fukudometer on Jun 16, 2011 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

No, I got it right

Bubbles gets clean; Dukie gets high. Bubbles becomes Dukie.

I would swap 3 and 4 — 1, 3, 4, 2, 5 — mainly because I love the machinations of Stringer and Avon, but the gap between 1 and 2 is miniscule.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Jun 16, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I see it as Dookie becomes Bubs

as he walks into the drug-town, but based on how you said it was a “cycle” I guess it leaves us with hope that he gets clean eventually.

Also, did you hear that the actress that played Snoop recently got arrested for drugs?

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by Fukudometer on Jun 16, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

link

Snoop

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by Fukudometer on Jun 16, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you get a chance, check out "The Corner"

6 part miniseries from HBO. The Wire was “based” off it. Many of the same actors, but in different roles….eg. Lester Freamon is the drug kingpin, etc.

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by Fukudometer on Jun 16, 2011 12:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Also, watching all 5 seasons, then hearing Dominic West's real voice for the first time is pretty messed up

Then rewatching it knowing about his accent, you hear some of the trouble he has hiding the accent.

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by Fukudometer on Jun 16, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

This is a good article from Bill Simmons' new site....

The HBO recycling program

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by Fukudometer on Jun 16, 2011 12:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Simmons is a homer.

For years he refused to watch it now he acts like he invented the show. His NBA anologies to the show demean the show.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 16, 2011 2:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The analogies and quotes never make any sense either.

GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.

by shoemile on Jun 16, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

the article isn't written by Simmons

just on his site

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by Fukudometer on Jun 16, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know, I read it.

Just commenting on Simmons’ general WIRE doings.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 17, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a Simmons fan

But his schtick where he forces quotes onto situations usually doesn’t work nearly as well as he thinks it does.

I do like his Avon-Stringer = Durant-Westbrook, though.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Jun 16, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

WTF?

Why are you posting this here?

by kanderber on Jun 16, 2011 1:16 PM CDT reply actions  

A bunch of us have discussed the Wire

I’m sorry, did someone force you to click on it?

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Jun 16, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just don't get...

why you’re cluttering up a Cubs site with something about a TV show. Aren’t there TV show blogs/message boards/forums?

by kanderber on Jun 16, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I don't get

why you have pooped your pants about it

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Jun 16, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the deal.

I don’t mind an OCCASIONAL post about this. But let’s not make this a blog about a TV show that has nothing to do with the Cubs and baseball.

OK?

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by Al Yellon on Jun 16, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Lester Freamon catches more drug dealers...

…than Alfonso Soriano catches fly balls.

See what I did there?

It's 106 miles to Chicago...

by BDR529 on Jun 16, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um, no.

Because I don’t watch the show.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 17, 2011 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very simple...

…I made a comment about The Wire AND the Cubs.

And ripped on our awful left fielder in the process.

The best of both worlds.

It's 106 miles to Chicago...

by BDR529 on Jun 19, 2011 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Better this than some blatant plagiarism of the Declaration of Independence.

Stupid SWL.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 16, 2011 2:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Generally, nothing.

Specifically, the 2011 Chicago Cubs do not provide enough entertainment to, you know, be entertained, so we have to entertain ourselves.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 16, 2011 3:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

He did label it OT.

That ought to tell you something.

I don’t mind off-topic stuff as long as it’s labeled as such. Happens everywhere. Some places even have a whole OT forum for that reason.

by MN exile on Jun 16, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have an official THE WIRE bowling ball bag.

And I don’t even bowl. Beat that.

Congrats on finishing; all my nagging paid off. I’ll respond to your thoughts later.

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 16, 2011 2:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Great show.

I’d rank seasons 4, 2, 3, 1, 5, though there is no real space between 2-1. I wish they hadn’t gone for the obvious plagiarism stuff in season 5, and I don’t think McNulty would have gone as far as he did.

Season 4 is brilliant, though.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Jun 16, 2011 5:17 PM CDT reply actions  

When you realize that Simon was basically taking shots at people from his past

That whole storyline loses something.

I never did get why Lester jumped on board with the serial killer thing. I know they tried to do an explantation, but it didn’t fit with anything in his character.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Jun 16, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

The implication was that Lester was pushed to his limits.

Question, Worf: How did you come to that conclusion about Nick Sobotka?

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Jun 17, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

That brief scene in Season 5

where Carcetti does something on the docks and Nick is there, yelling at him. You realize that Nick just walked away from Witness Protection and he’s still walking around breathing.

That tells me that the Greek just can’t be bothered with him. The feds no longer are chasing that case too hard. Literally, Nick is too insignificant to be in danger.

Which, normally, you’d say, “Hooray, I’m safe,” but this is a guy who lost his uncle, his cousin and basically, his way of life, for nothing.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Jun 17, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.

I wondered about that, too. I was thinking maybe there was something more explicit that I missed. You’re conclusion is almost certainly accurate, though.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Jun 17, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could not read all the comments because I'm not done..

I’m still on season 4 I believe ( The failed system which is our education system). This has been my favorite season so far….and I can’t wait till season 5. Just watched the episode where Prezbo had the students playing with dice in order how to learn fractions…This is the best TV show ever created.

by BadDecisions on Jun 17, 2011 9:28 AM CDT reply actions  

My thing about this show is that it goes well beyond the "Our System Has Failed"

It shows that basically, a bunch of otherwise smart and maybe even decent people have given up.

I look at a guy like Rawls. I honestly believe that if he had his way, he would have wholeheartedly supported Bunny Colvin’s Hamsterdam plan. But he knew it would never happen and wasn’t interested in nailing himself to that cross. Rawls is to me the great tragedy. He’s smart enough to fix things, but he is also not stupid enough to try.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Jun 17, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

And he's also gay...albeit still firmly locked in the closet

Not only have the smart people of conscience given up, they’ve openly turned to exploiting the weaknesses of the system and the weaknesses of the people within the system.

It’s not apathy or powerlessness….it is taking advantage of a broken system and people for one’s individual good. That behaviour is an entirely different statement.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Jun 18, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rawls being gay is interesting to me

It was one of those, “Wait, what?” moments that made me rethink Landsman’s entire monologue to him about thinking about a case while naked and getting ready to masturbate (Kind of an involved monologue)

Did Landsman KNOW how to play to his boss?

Because believe me, if I were gay, there are about 1,000,000 different men I’d consider before Landsman.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Jun 20, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely Landsman knew how to play

he was as smart as anybody.

All that Bubbs/Dukie and Omar/Michael stuff is reflected in the Rawls/Landsman arc. I’d even go so far as to say it’s the same with Royce/Carcetti.

The vicious cycle claims everybody, don’t matter if it’s in a office or on a corner. Only the ones who use get ahead. Drugs or power.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Jun 20, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's some Wire detail y'all may not have caught on to....

In season 3…Hamsterdam…a white girl in the back of a car drives through and buys an 8 ball…maybe WMDs?

In season 4 she’s being pimped

In season 5 she opens an episode at one of Bubble’s meetings.

All told, maybe 5 minutes of screen time, but that thread is right there.

Also,

In season 5, when McNulty is investigating the shantytown under the bridge and a dog takes a run at him, that dog’s owner is one of Ziggy’s dockworker friends from Season 2. Obviously, he lost his job and is homeless.

AND

Sesame Street’s most famous black actor Roscoe Orman – Gordon to you and me – plays a grouchy, derilect cop in season 5. The cop’s name? Oscar.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Jun 17, 2011 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

I watched the whole series about a year ago.

I’m looking forward to revisiting it soon. I’ll be sure to look for more things like this.

Cool stuff.

by mic on Jun 19, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

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