Yankees Walk Their Way Over Cubs; 9th Inning Comeback Falls Short
Let me first say that once again Saturday afternoon... and early evening (it still feels like this game is going, somehow)... even the vastly overpriced tickets for the Yankees' 4-3 win over the Cubs were worth every bit of the entertainment dollar.
Now then, let's discuss the various ways that the Cubs put themselves out of the game, beginning with the ridiculous number of walks issued: ten of them. In fact, it's amazing that the Cubs trailed only 4-2 going into the bottom of the ninth, given the 11 hits and 10 walks the Yankees had. The Cubs pulled off another one of those multiple-throw rundown plays; Alfonso Soriano deked Alex Rodriguez into trying to stretch a single into a double, and Reed Johnson's relay to Blake Dewitt to Geovany Soto cut down one more run in the ninth. Still, the Yankees stranded 13, which kept the game close.
In that ninth inning, John Grabow was not loosened up quickly enough to come in to pitch to Robinson Cano, even though Jeff Samardzija was, um, less than stellar. Shark threw only 18 strikes in 40 pitches. Finally, he threw one across the plate and Cano doubled. Then he was left in to throw to Nick Swisher, likely because Swisher is hitting .348 against lefthanders this year. With Swisher hitting only .176 (though with a .319 OBA) against RHP, naturally, Samardzija walked him. Only then did Grabow come into the game.
Grabow got Russell Martin to pop up, but then light-hitting Eduardo Nunez singled in an insurance run for the Yankees, which they wound up needing. A second runner, as noted above, was thrown out at the plate.
All of this came after the two teams pretty much battled to a draw for eight innings, the difference coming on a single by Brett Gardner in the sixth inning, making the score 3-2 Yankees after Carlos Pena had tied the game with his 11th home run of the year in the fourth. (Note: Pena's total would rank fifth on the Yankees.) Pena also smashed really, really hard into Russell Martin trying to score on a shallow fly ball to Gardner in the sixth, following two surprising Yankee errors that prolonged the inning.
Meanwhile, Ryan Dempster struggled into the sixth; his game today resembled his 2008 division series start against the Dodgers. Dempster walked seven that night and six today, and got pulled after Gardner's hit. James Russell finished off that inning on a fly ball and the pickoff of Gardner, and then Chris Carpenter threw a scoreless inning.
Carpenter looks good. He has a live arm -- touched 98 on the ballpark pitch speed meter -- and if he can learn to command his pitches, he could be a real good late inning relief option. When Kerry Wood returns (and he was throwing again on flat ground in the outfield during BP again today, seemingly with no trouble, so maybe he'll only be out the minimum 15 days), let's hope Carpenter (I suppose sooner or later we'll hear Mike Quade call him "Carpy") stays and we'll see the last of Rodrigo Lopez.
Let's talk about the bottom of the ninth now. Reed Johnson led off the inning with a home run off Mariano Rivera, which would have tied the game if not for the mess made in the top of the inning.
Stop here for a second. A home run off Rivera is extremely rare. It was the first home run he had allowed this season and Reed was the 102nd batter he faced this year. He gave up only two last year, facing 230 batters, and in his career, just 63 home runs (including today) in 1177.1 innings, facing 4,686 hitters. Kudos to Johnson for taking Rivera into the bleachers. Further kudos to Alfonso Soriano for singling off him -- that's only the sixth time in 29 appearances this year that Rivera has allowed more than one baserunner in an appearance.
Not so many kudos to Geovany Soto. The situation did call for a bunt, though Soto's not likely to be able to lay one down; he has none in his major league career. So you've got two options here: send up Koyie Hill, who can bunt; you've got to try to get the runner into scoring position. Or, let Soto lay off a pitch or two, hoping he can get a pitch to drive like Johnson and Soriano did.
Nope. A Rivera cutter was pounded into the ground by Geo for a double play, sucking all the life out of the crowd, almost all of whom stuck around till the end of a three hour and 43 minute marathon (I'm still not sure it's not still going). Jeff Baker then struck out to end it.
A total of 340 pitches were thrown Saturday afternoon, 186 of them by Cubs pitchers. Only 102 of those 186 were strikes. Cubs pitchers have got to start challenging hitters more. I realize the Yankees are a good-hitting team that will jump on good pitches. But this interminable nibbling isn't helping either, not when you put 10 hitters on base via walks.
Yankees fans seemed even more in evidence Saturday than Friday; chants of "Let's go Yankees!" were followed in perfect rhythm, good-naturedly for the most part, with "Yankees suck!" from Cubs fans. Both Rivera and Jorge Posada, who pinch-hit in the eighth, were greeted with loud ovations from Yankee fans -- well deserved, I'd say, for the great careers they've had. There were no incidents -- except a fight that broke out down the LF line just after the last out was recorded. I couldn't see who was involved in that; it really was getting to be time to go.
The Cubs played the Yankees tough today, just not tough enough when it counted. With all the pitches thrown today, the Cubs really need Randy Wells to give them seven good innings on Sunday. CC Sabathia is hittable -- as I've mentioned before, even the bad 2006 Cubs pounded him while he was with Cleveland. The series is still winnable.
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No idea why Dempster got a standing ovation when he exited
6BB, yikes! Hopefully he’s gone by July 31st
Dempster in my opinion has been the biggest disappointment besides Mike Quade...
…this season.
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
Sadly, and tardy, I
ever quite understood Demps "big money/multi-year contract at the time. Did he have a good-very good year prior to it. Yes. Remarkable and worth (IIRC) 50million? No. Demp is (at best) a 3-5 SP. He is part of the problem. Nice guy? Yes. Super! ut if we wanna see a winner…guys like Demp gotta go.
"Don't eat the eggs". "Why?" "Bill put LSD in the eggs"... Bill: "and in the water..." "But Bill...we drank the water!" From the parady "Cub Fans that Stare at Pujols".
It really irks me...
that Quade didn’t pinch hit with someone who could at least bunt and give us a chance to tie and then possibly win the game! I mean Soto hasn’t exacty been lighting it up of late! Poor managing imo!
+1
Watched the game in NY with a knowledgable Yanks fan. Said the same thing over and over! He had already cracked 100 pitches and was hardly lighting the world on fire. Terrible mismanagement. Dare I say “Dusty-esque”
Big Easy Badger
Yep. I counted at least five mistakes by Quade.
And I’m not even considering pinch-hitting for Soto. That’s another of Quade’s mistakes. Cubs could have snatched a victory with a better manager. The pitching moves were all late and horrible.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 19, 2011 3:35 AM CDT up reply actions
And Dome and Starlin would have come up after Baker in the on deck circle.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 19, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Geo . . . ugh
First, let me agree with Al that this was an enjoyable game and fun to watch.
Second, at what point do we put Soto in the same category as Corey Patterson, Felix Pie and Kevin Orie (remember him). Seems to me that he’s getting close to busted prospect category, and every day he takes one step closer. He had two chances today and wasted both, and he seems to do that over and over.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???
I think Geo is the biggest disappointment on this team this year.
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And there are unfortunately lots to choose from ;)
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???
Geo might be the biggest catching disappointment since Rick Wilkins
He’ll be able to hang around in the Rod Barajas type of role long-term, but I am losing faith in his ability to be a viable starter.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jun 18, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Once again...the Cubs
improperly evaluate talent. It’s become a cubbie trademark.
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I wouldn't say that.
Soto was fantastic last year and it’s not like they signed him to a massive contract or anything.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Not really. He was the Rookie of the Year.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 19, 2011 3:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Check his B-Ref Page
If Lou’s dumb ass would have played him more last season, he could have been one of the more valuable catchers both sabermetrically and statistically.
by Frozen Toews on Jun 19, 2011 3:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Along with Quade and Dempster.
All three disappointments were evident in the game.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 19, 2011 3:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately for the Cubs
We are weakest at positions with few viable alternatives. Pena should not be anywhere near a professional field given his BA with RISP and frankly how terrible he has been for 3 years. Soto is headed down that path, yet we have no real replacements for either so we are stuck with both of their sorry performances for the rest of the year.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Jun 19, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think you can put him in that category
He won ROY in 2008. To me, busted prospects are guys who never have that good year. Geo has already gotten over that hurdle.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jun 18, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, so he's in the Jerome Walton and Pat Listach category
Either way, he’s getting dangerously close to becoming at best a 70-game starter.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jun 18, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Quade plays his starting catcher a lot
He should probably pull back from that to keep him fresher.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 18, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Geo a bust? I wouldn't say that just yet.
Soto’s OPS, year by year:
2008 – .868
2009 – .702
2010 – ..890
2011 – .691 (lower after today’s game)
And even in those two down years, he’s still shown excellent plate discipline. In 2009, his OBP was .321 (despite a .218 BA), and this year, coming into today’s game his OBP was .307 (despite a .220 BA) – he’s third on the team with 18 walks despite only playing in 47 games. Yes, he’s been a huge disappointment this year, but the same could have been said in 2009, and he bounced back just fine in 2010. He’s still only 28 years old, so there’s no reason why he couldn’t bounce back again next year. I don’t think we should write him off as another Patterson/Pie/Orie level bust just yet.
by Jody Jody Davis on Jun 18, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Geo is having a bad year
for sure but I just don’t understand the desire to throw him under the bus. I’m not convinced that he’s 100% healthy either. To put Hill in to pinch hit for him seems to have been the best option in hindsight if a sac bunt was the intent. In the meantime, why has Geo never sac bunted before? It it maybe time to teach him how?
And so it goes.
I know the game is over...
…because I no longer hear Joe Buck droning on and on and on about Derek Jeter on the disabled list, six hits shy of that magical 3,000 career hits. Something Buck brought up at virtually every possible moment during the game, as though that fact was more important than the game on the field below him.
And McCarver was no better, like when he chastised Fukodome for not going to third on the hit and run early in the game. When anyone with half a brain cell could see that the ball wasn’t hit deep into center field, it was fielded by the time Fukodome reached second, and Fukodome would have been out by a mile had he gone to third. But no, McCarver felt that Fukodome had erred in not trying for third.
Buck and McCarver calling games surely counts as a violation of the Geneva Conventions.
Surely!
by allyngibson on Jun 18, 2011 8:55 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Based on your statement...
… I have $5 that says DeJesus was waving Fukudome to third on that play.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
It irked me too
But when you compare what the Yankees franchise has accomplished with what the Cubs franchise has accomplished, it’s hard to argue with the idea that the Yankees have earned more respect.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???
True enough.
It’s almost like a fetish with the national media. Jeter wasn’t here this weekend. A mention of it would have been enough.
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McCarver was stupid.
The ball was in the glove when Fuk got to second. He was talking just to talk.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Jun 18, 2011 9:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
They can't call a good game
McCarver going on about the Dome play was nuts. Dome would have been out by 3 feet easy. Reeds homer and the call by Buck stating that the game was tied was the final straw. Hell he didn’t realize until Reed was rounding second.
Maybe Buck was tired
On the flip side they were (unfortunately) spot on...
when mentioning the lack of a pitcher ready to go in the 8th inning when Spellcheck couldn’t find the plate.
I took their comment as a subtle jab at Quade for being a clueless manager. I agree with them on that point. What was Quade thinking in a close ballgame against the Bombers?
The also made a good observation that Castro is a “hacker” and will swing at anything near the plate. Next two pitches Starlin swings at pitches 12 inches off the plate down and away. Again they were spot on with their analysis.
They are pretty grating to listen to, but once in awhile they do make some excellent observations.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jun 18, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If were going on Buck's observations
Reed tied the game in the 9th and were still waiting on extras!
by Frozen Toews on Jun 19, 2011 3:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Has anyone else noticed that Buck's voice seems to be going??
I try NOT to listen to him if I can help it, but the last 2-3 times he’s called a game it sounds like he’s losing his voice big time. Just really raspy and weak. And unfortunately annyoning when you have to listen to it for three hours and 40 minutes…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Yes, he did sound very off today
But that’s sort of like saying that getting punched in the face is marginally better than being shot in the foot.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jun 18, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
neither is Grabow
If the choices are Shark, Grabow, and Lopez to pitch the eighth, perhaps they should consider getting Dascenzo out of retirement.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jun 18, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
No doubt!
Those two guys were brutal in their pitching today! It’s like they throw the ball and have no idea where it is going.
Why is Grabow still on the team? Based on today, he has absolutely nothing left.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jun 18, 2011 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll give you 4,800,000 reasons
but maybe I shouldn’t since the Hendry defenders might get upset since he is still learning not to give mediocre pitchers lots of money.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
I agree that Grabow is probably finished
But as pathetic as it sounds, he’s still probably better than anyone else they could run out there right now. Would you rather see more of Scott Maine or Marcos Mateo or Justin Berg instead?
by Jody Jody Davis on Jun 18, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I would
They at least don’t suck after age 30. They probably will (especially Mateo and Berg) but they don’t yet. Grabow has no excuse for being garbage, he’s been in the league for more than 7 years.
by Mulhollandmania on Jun 19, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Guys hurting this team
Players-Shark, Geo, Grabow, Soriano
Quade, and Hendry also added to that list.
by alabamacubbie on Jun 19, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
It was a very enjoyable fame to watch,
although a little long. Reeder continues to amaze with his hitting and fielding. Kudos to Demp, he had no control but battled through. Looks like the Brewers and Cards will win. Still hoping with our improved play we can cut this to 4 or 5 at the all star break.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Jun 18, 2011 8:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Game to watch...no fame today.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Jun 18, 2011 9:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Soto trade bait?
If he’s not gonna hit over .220 not much better than Hill and Castillo and other minor leaguers….wonder if he has much trade value?
Would you want him?
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???
IMO I think that Soriano would be of value
only as a DH for an AL team. I think that he would be valuable to an Angels, Twins, or Tigers kinda team. Sucks defensively everywhere so I think he’s going to finish his career as a DH.
by alabamacubbie on Jun 19, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I had to miss the bottom of the seventh and part of the top of the 8th
But Quade’s moves really confused me today:
1. Why pinch hit Campana in the 7th instead of having a better OBP pinch-hitter lead off and save Campana for pinch-running for Soriano or Soto?
2. Why even THINK about having Shark pitch to Cano? And why not bring Marmol in to pitch to the RH hitters instead of Grabow?
3. Why double switch and force Baker into the 9 spot?
If Campana is able to PR for Soriano, and Soto can actually take a pitch, they have a chance in the 9th. And if Shark/Grabow don’t give up the insurance run, Johnson’s HR ties the game.
I’ve given Quade the benefit of the doubt for in-game moves. But I felt like he outcoached himself today. And that ignores DeJesus sending Pena in the 6th.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
The coaching and managing really have to improve
or the Cubs will be going nowhere in the years ahead.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jun 18, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Man...
Soto sucks. He is absolutely killing this team right now, and he’s looked like shit ever since coming off the DL. What’s it been, two weeks now?
That is definitely not true
Soto had a good day behind the plate. Hill has no ability in any baseball capacity whatsoever.
by Mulhollandmania on Jun 19, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Cubs are 12-8 when Hill starts
Coincidence? Maybe. But the “no ability in any baseball capacity whatsoever” is definitely not true. His batting stats are very close to Soto’s. Despite having only 44% of the starts Soto has, (20 to 45), Hill has at least half the number of Runs, RBIs, and Hits, and less than half the number of SO as Soto. Defensively he isn’t a starter, nor is he starter material, but he’s not a black hole either.
Yes it is a freaking coincidence
Which I think I’ve explained to you about a thousand times.
Catcher W-L is even more useless a stat that pitcher W-L
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 19, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Nevertheless
Hill has had some decent games this year and his numbers are acceptable for a backup catcher.
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For a backup, yes
I’ve always been in the camp that as a guy who doesn’t play too much, Koyie won’t make or break this team. Would I rather see Castillo? Probably. Clevenger? Definitely. But I know it’s not Koyie’s fault we’re 12 under .500.
by Mulhollandmania on Jun 19, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
As a guy who plays once, maximum of twice a week
He’s not a black hole. But if we start getting into a time share behind the plate like Lou did, he will become a black hole. And it’s definitely a coincidence. The Cubs also have a bad record on WGN, but that doesn’t mean they should not have games on that network.
by Mulhollandmania on Jun 19, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Right, but you said
Hill has no ability in any baseball capacity whatsoever
which I equate to a blackhole, which you admit he isn’t. That’s all. There was a collective worry that Hill would get too many starts this year in place of Soto, and I think Hill has been played appropriately up to this point, save the time Soto was on the DL. I don’t think he’ll start splitting time even if Soto continues to struggle, no more than Pena was splitting time when he was struggling in April.
That said, if we are going to start giving a backup catcher some serious playing time, I’d like to see Castillo. Hill’s role should be a “once every 6 games” relief. I don’t want to see Castillo rotting on a bench if he’s going to be someone we seriously want starting in a year or two, especially if Soto doesn’t pan out.
I don't think you want Castillo starting in a year or two.
He’s just not that good. Now, Clevenger, maybe you’ve got something there. But not this year.
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I had expected Soto
to hit into the 6-4-3 double play with the bases loaded . At least he was able to get the ball to the outfield . Then one of the slower players is sent (Pena) and is thrown out . That play at the plate wasn’t even close .
No, it wasn't.
It was an absolutely horrendous call to send him. Gardner had to come in on that ball to catch it. I’m surprised that Al didn’t mention it in the write-up, considering it was such a terrible decision to send Pena.
And I also thought it was a bitch move by Martin to turn around and show the ball to Pena after he got up. I was kind of hoping he’d get drilled for that his next time up.
Yeah, I didn't quite get everything.
But I agree. It was a bad move to send him. DeJesus is not a very good 3B coach.
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Soto should have taken a couple of pitches
got his timing down and then look to swing. He was way too impatient in that situation.
Of course the correct strategy would have been to bunt the runner over.
Oh well, these are our Chicago Cubs!
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jun 18, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Campana would have beat that out
But it would have made McCarver’s effusive praise of Gardner’s terrific throw more understandable.
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Why I love my wife
My wife was making dinner and had the game on Fox. The kitchen TV is the smallest in the house. She came down to tell me that the TV had the crowd noise, but no announcers from Fox. No Joe Buck, Tim McCarver, or quipy interludes from Ken Rosenthal. Instead, just the sounds of the game and the crowd. We ate dinner with the game in the bottom of the 8th and the 9th inning. It was really nice.
I think my wife had mistakenly hit the Language button and in the Spanish broadcast there were no Fox announcers. Hola.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
Dempster???
…his game today resembled his 2008 division series start
Minus the Loney Grand Slam.
Quade in the post said, “HE wanted to go for the win there, not the tie.”
With a Soto line of .220 .302, you either bunt or pinch hit him. The depth on this team in a situation like that is evident.
That's why I think Quade screwed up by double-switching
He had locked Jeff Baker into the 9 spot already. Why do that to yourself? So Grabow can pitch the 10th if they tie it up?? Nonsense.
Baker should have pinch-hit for Soto, DJ should have pinch-hit for the pitcher.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jun 18, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
You are "Invalid"
so we can’t count your opinion.
Sorry.
Who is this DJ you speak of?
The mystery man on the bench. Who can not unseat the DeWitt. The DeWitt who has gone from on June 8 at .309 to currently hitting .265.
I'd have sent DJ up to start the 7th
Well, actually I would have started him at 2B and batted him 8th, but failing that I would have him pinch hit.
But one reason DJ is going to be buried is that he’s now the emergency SS. So Q is not going to use him unless he’s going to stay in the game.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jun 18, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
we dont know that dewitt cant play SS
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on Jun 18, 2011 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually Q did say that
He was on the pregame with Moreland the night Barney went on the DL and said that if something happened to Castro that DJ has some experience at SS and while it wasn’t his best position, he could play there in an emergency to finish a game.
He then made a reference (without naming him) to Augie Ojeda down in Iowa if Castro had to miss any real time.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jun 18, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Too bad for DJ
wish the kid could get a real chance!
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by CubFanSince1970 on Jun 18, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he will eventually
Hopefully he’ll start to get 3-4 AB/week once a few pieces such as DeWitt get unloaded at the trade deadline. I’d like to see him get 2 starts a week at 2B, 2 starts a week at 3B, and the occasional start at 1B.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jun 18, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, Hill could have hit for Soto.
At least we know Hill can bunt.
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If they'd have sent Hill up to PH for Soto to bunt...and he failed...
…could you imagine the BCBers after that? Soto’s worthless. He’ll run into a long ball every 2 weeks or so, but, I’m beginning to think he’s got NO future here with this team. He appears to have packed on about half the weight he lost last year, too? Munchies?
With the 1st pick in the 2012 Baseball Amateur Draft, the Chicago Cubs select...
At least if he failed....
… there would have been only one out, not two.
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Dempster nibbled too much
You can’t go 0-2 to a hitter and then walk him on 4 pitches. Twice in a row – Cano and Swisher in the 5th. No runs, but that’s playing with gasoline and matches.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 18, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
FFS Quade
This isn’t football, there isn’t a sudden death overtime. You go for the tie now and for the win later, even in extra innings if you have to.
Every time Quade opens his mouth, he proves what a truly terrible manager he is.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 19, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Buck and McCarver made such a big deal about Soto have zero sac bunts this season...
and I was thinking to myself “so what?” I said before that Soto should have taken a strike, because he’s never faced Rivera before. So why not square around to bunt, force the defense to adjust and pull the bat back and take a strike. Even if the sign is to swing away, that’s what I would have done as a hitter. With no outs in the inning and the tying run at first base, all the pressure is on the Yankees.
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
That fly ball was too shallow
Not sure why you would send Pena on that one. I could have thrown him out from there. Too many mistakes but they still had a chance at the end.
I think you have to take the shot
and count on a bad throw. With the pitchers the Yankees throw in the 8th and 9th, you gotta take your shot before you get there.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???
Way too shallow
Just past the IF?
Do not agree.
It was a DOUBLE PLAY and took them out of the inning.
Note to BCB little leaguers: This now counts as "deep SS"

Yes, Gardner’s momentum was carrying him forward, but characterizing that as a ball that was barely in the outfield grass is…not correct.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
That angle does not show how shallow that really was.
Also, Gardner was running in and had momentum toward the plate. He was likely less than 100 feet behind third base.
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It wasn't as egregious as everyone's making it out to be.
I’d say Pena had about a 35% chance of scoring on the play. Was there a .350 hitter that they had to send up next? No? Then send him.
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 19, 2011 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I know. I agree.
I didn’t have a problem with sending him either. Does BCB forget how bad the Cubs are with RISP? The entire team is awful. It was deep enough that you should send him. It was just a perfect throw.
100 feet behind third base
Is still a heckuva lot further than “deep SS”. As for the angle issue, I invite the assembled masses to judge for themselves whether I have tried to mischaracterize the play in any way.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
The AP story said Gardner made a terrific play to get him
And it was.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Terrific play?
The left fielder didn’t even set his feet and still threw him out by 15 feet. The Cubs do make a bad decision from time to time you know.
by LT on Jun 18, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
And, you know, the other team sometimes makes a good play
If I’m a Kool-Aid drinker, you’re a hemlock drinker.
Apparently a neutral source seems to think it was a better play than the usual Eeyores around here think.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The question was whether Gardner could straighten himself out in time to make the throw
His momentum was carrying him quickly towards the line and he’s a lefty. DeJesus bet that Gardner wouldn’t be able to get a throw off with any velocity. He was wrong, which was going to much easier to tell from the camera angle on TV than from 3B.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jun 18, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Only if "terrific" = "routine"
He had t rebalance, but it was a short throw and his momentum was carrying him to the infield. Pretty routine for a MLB outfielder.
It was a solid play but far from terrific.
He was in medium left field and moving in the right direction.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
The actual story used the word "terrific"
I probably wouldn’t have been as effusive, but it hardly was routine.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I would give Martin props for holding on to the ball
But most MLB outfielders make that throw a large % of the time.
by LT on Jun 19, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Joe Buck used the word "tremendous"
I guess they’re all wrong and the Debbie Downers here are correct.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 19, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
aligning yourself with Joe Buck isn't exactly helping your case here, NBF...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
True, but
at least he has SOME credibility …
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 19, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
The same Joe Buck who said, after Johnson's HR, "game tied"?
He said it TWICE.
Nope, he doesn’t have much credibility.
OTOH, I think it was worth the chance and it did take a quality MLB play to get Pena out.
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 19, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, take the shot with a faster runner...maybe
worst case, you still have a man on 3rd and a balk, or WP brings him in. That toss is routine for a major league left fielder.
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What was up with Z and Rosenthal?
I think there was more to it than they let on.
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by mrcubsfan on Jun 18, 2011 9:07 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Bruce Levine
stated Z was pissed at R-Thals contention the Yankees were making ovations for him.
Read the ESPN blog you’ll get all the info you could ever want.
I saw Z point down to the Gatorade jug
and say “This is your head”…
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by RiskyBusiness on Jun 18, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
"Ovations"?
You meant “overtures”, I think.
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HAHA!
Indeed. “Overtures”.
Someday SB should finally add the “Edit” button as in other blogs…
I am too lazy to edit on the fly!
That's what the preview button is for!
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How many of us
would not like to just have an “EDIT” button in our day-to-day live, rather than a preview?!
Rosenthal totally denied it on the air...
“Oh geez, it was nothing…” or whatever he said…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
what an ass
he was bragging about breaking the news prior to the game when he was standing in left field.
I'm going to the 2012 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp!!! Who's with me?
by VegasCubFan on Jun 18, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
But, the game was over
in the 6th inning anyway.
Pena should NEVER have tried to score on that sinking liner.
He could have scored on the previous error except for the idiot savant De Jeezus at 3B.
I liked DeJesus
as a player because he was good and got us Sandberg. However he is a poor third base coach. That and the Cubs are poor baserunners. Pena rounded third on the error and was ripping it to home, then put on the brakes, then the ball was booted again and Pena went back to third.
I thought Dempster would be done after the 5th
He barely worked his way out of the jam, I thought for sure they’d pinch hit for him and go to the bullpen. Guess it wouldn’t have made much difference since the ‘pen wasn’t up to the task today.
Quade should have pulled dempster after the 5th
… and Pena never should have been sent home on the shallow fly ball to left. Sometime i wonder who loses more games for this team, the players or the coaches. And i’m not a big fan of Soto anymore, he barely hits and his defense is below average. The cubs need a better catcher
I have no issue with Soto swinging away
I have a big issue with Dempster being allowed to bat in the 5th after throwing 300 pitches and going out for the 6th.
Also, it was ridiculous that Grabow wasn’t warming up sooner. Or . . . Marshall.
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2011 9:16 PM CDT reply actions
I though Grabow was warming up.
They kept on showing him in the pen, couple of times he has his arms crossed standing on the bullpen mound.
Marshall threw last two games.
I have a problem with Soto swinging away on the FIRST pitch...
He’s never faced Rivera in his career, so why not at least take a strike?
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
I can't disagree, either
He certainly needed to be more patient.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure marshall was shelved for today
He didn’t look sharp yesterday after throwing two innings on Thursday.
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Three hours and forty-three minutes
for a nine inning game is just ridiculous. I don’t know if it’s all the walks, Fox’s longer commercial breaks, or what. But really… that’s awful.
It's the Yankees.
I thought it was just the Red Sox, but the Yankees play interminable games, too. Including today, that’s their ninth 9-inning game of the year of 3:30 or more.
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When you're at the ballpark, do you really care or complain?
by braziliancubsfan on Jun 18, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really.
But I do prefer faster paced games.
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When you get ahead 0-2
You can’t walk the guy on 4 straight pitches. Dempster did twice in a row. That’s not working a long count. That’s bad pitching.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 18, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I give credit to the Yankee hitters
Sure Demp deserves heat for that, but think about it, Cub hitters get 0-2 , besides Dome and Pena, no one on the Cub team gets a walk down 0-2
Dempster certainly didn't make it tough on them to get those walks
Most of those pitches missed pretty badly.
by Mulhollandmania on Jun 19, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Man, I really wish we could say that about the Cubs!
I miss 2008.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jun 18, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Good for them
I hate their TV broadcasters
by braziliancubsfan on Jun 18, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe we can trade for hanley
getitdonejim
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on Jun 18, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Why? so he can give him a seven year contract extension with a no-trade clause?
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
Only 7 yrs?
Jimmy would give 8, a NTC, incentives (easily obtainable by a AAA Player), his own suite on road trips etc. (Oops- forgot a player option!)
"Don't eat the eggs". "Why?" "Bill put LSD in the eggs"... Bill: "and in the water..." "But Bill...we drank the water!" From the parady "Cub Fans that Stare at Pujols".
ofcourse not
elite players dont deserve elite contracts
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on Jun 18, 2011 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Amazing.
And they were up near the top of the NL East before all that, 29-19 and one game out on May 26. 3-20 since then.
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Wow! Talk about a June swoon.
Jack Brickhouse: "Hey! Hey!"
Harry Caray: "Holy Cow!"
Vince Lloyd: "The Chicago Cubs are on the Air!"
Ron Santo: "YES!" "All Right! Let's do it!" "Ohhh Nooooo!" "Gee Whiz! Come on!" AND... "This Is The Year!"
by #1 iowan cubs fan on Jun 18, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they should trot a goat out during the 7th inning stretch next game...
by LT on Jun 18, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
How about a 7th inning stretch goat sacrifice on the pitchers mound?
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
Don't want to steal Josh's thunder here
but this line has to be shared.
Bibens-Dirkx: 1 Inning, 9 hits, 11 earned runs, 11-3 in the 3rd
First Mathes, then Diamond
I expect three or four more releases from either the major league or AAA roster over the next 6-7 weeks.
Maybe not this guy (it is Albuquerque) but probably Ortiz and somebody off of the big league roster such as Lopez or Grabow.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jun 18, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Diamond/Ortiz/ABD
I remember the days when they were our future…my Jah what a couple of months can do.
by SenorGato on Jun 19, 2011 10:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Cripes.
No one EVER said they were “the future”. Only that one or more could fill in and give more than four innings per start. Stop mischaracterizing positions taken here.
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Don't hold your breath
Mr. Cat seems to be incapable of a difference of opinion without taking it to an extreme level of ridiculousness.
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 19, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
At the time...
they weren’t or were barely above 5 IP per start in AAA.
I probably should have just not said anything.
Are they still in Albuquerque?
I don’t know how any franchise can get a decent read on prospects at Albuquerque or at Colorado Springs.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jun 18, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
The same Bibens-Dirkx that people said should pitch vs. Boston?
Amazing.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 18, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
When is DJ going to get a start?
DeWitt was so overmatched today at the plate, he has no business being the #3 hitter.
It should be DJ or Baker at 2B every day until Barney gets back.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jun 18, 2011 9:40 PM CDT reply actions
Left CC tmrw
Means no Pena and no Fukudome. Either DeWitt or Campana as the sole left bat in the lineup.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 18, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
DeWitt in RF anybody??
Hopefully Quade is not THAT stupid.
I’d like tomorrow’s lineup to be: Castro, Johnson, Baker, Ramirez, Soriano, DJ, Campana, Hill
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jun 18, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Blake DeWitt is 3 for his last 20
I would say whatever reasons there were for giving him so much playing time are now past.
Sadly, I’m 99.99999999% sure he’ll be in the lineup today because QIAFI
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 19, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs need to showcase a .150 hitting, slow-footed utility guy!
He should get a top 30 prospect at the deadline!
Serious question.
Are the Cubs really trying to “showcase” DeWitt or is that something that was introduced and perpetuated to no end here?
Pure BCB speculation as far as I know
Filling a vacuum of reasons for giving him so much playing time despite such indifferent performance.
BCB rumor.
I think they might keep him to replace Baker.
Could be SRO tickets
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jun 18, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Seemed more people were in SRO Friday, to be honest.
Friday’s game featured the largest crowd I’ve ever seen at Wrigley.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 19, 2011 6:00 AM CDT up reply actions
They have been counting
the Vendors this year!
This series is almost that good
to make me forget about the Cubs flaws.
Notice I said almost. A couple of notes today.
1. Geovany Soto sometimes looks clueless at the plate. Some at bats he’s patient, some at bats he swings at whatever. I’m still not 100% on him 3 years later.
2. I hope Ryan Dempster is traded more than I hope Zambrano is. Dempster seems to be on decline but I think he could be worthy for a contender as a #3/4. Cubs will have to eat half of his salary at least.
3. Mike Quade is 10x worse than Lou Piniella was in regards of lineups. Say what you want about Lou, he would never have Blake DeWitt hitting third. I know we don’t have many options at 3… but somebody, anybody would be better than Blake DeWitt.
4. Why in the hell isn’t DJ LeMahieu getting playing time? And with him getting such sporatic playing time, how can Quade expect him to be ready when he gets his normal 1 start a week? DJ LeMahieu’s ceiling >>>>> Blake DeWitt’s. Hell, LeMahieu’s better than DeWitt now.
R.I.P. to my grandfather, Andrew Wiley
The reason I am a Cub fan forever
Lou?
Say what you want about Lou, he would never have Blake DeWitt hitting third.
No – Lou would not tell the players the lineup until right before the game. And, Soriano would still be batting 3rd, or 1st (it took him four months to realize Soriano was batting out of position). Or, he’d double-switch needlessly. Or, he’d leave in Dempster after six walks, and then pull him after a Grand Slam in the opening Division Series opener. Or, he’d sleep in the dugout. Or, he’d “save” Zambrano for the “next” game in the other Division Series.
Don’t get me started.
Lou had a terrific 2008, but just got clearly out-managed by Joe Torre.
Even still, he’s a cut above Mike Quade.
Oh-how-it-pains-me-to-agree-with-you...
I think all of us here realised letting Quadeee return was risky…if we only knew how risky
"Don't eat the eggs". "Why?" "Bill put LSD in the eggs"... Bill: "and in the water..." "But Bill...we drank the water!" From the parady "Cub Fans that Stare at Pujols".
When did Soriano bat 3rd for Lou?
If he did, it had to be very far in between.
R.I.P. to my grandfather, Andrew Wiley
The reason I am a Cub fan forever
It was
2007: 31 PAs in 7 games
2008: 1 PA
2009: 12 PAs in 3 games
Never higher than 4th since.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
In 07 and 08, yes Lou was a cut above Quade
Last year? I don’t think Lou even knew half the people in his bullpen, let alone how and where to use them.
by Mulhollandmania on Jun 19, 2011 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Back to Soto
Dare I even say it?
1 good season and then — right off the table to — mediocre?
Did he participate in substance testing his rookie season? He had to have been tested. I’m just sayin’.
Or maybe he’s just Jerome Walton, revisited.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 19, 2011 12:39 AM CDT reply actions
Seems to be an every other year thing with him
Doesn’t it?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
oh jeebus not this again
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on Jun 19, 2011 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
What I hope tommorrow's lineup looks like:
Fukudome RF’
Castro SS
Pena 1B
Ramirez 3B
Soriano LF
Johnson CF
Soto C
LeMahieu 2B
Wells P
I think they should call up Jackson and play him and LeMahieu the rest of the way. Maybe it happens or something close to it as the summer goes on.
With CC on the mound we might not see Fuk and Pena.
Pena is batting .114 with 19 strikeouts vs Sabathia.
Right.
I’d guess Baker gets the start at 1B tonight.
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I can't remember anyone in recent years so bad against lefties
Pena’s line vs LH’s is .061 / .217 / .122.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
what's hilarious is how many at-bats he's gotten against them despite that.
Our manager is as clueless as they come. Hell, Carlos’ batting average would actually be respectable if he only batted against righties
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 19, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Pena has 1 HR in 49 AB against LHP and is hitting .061/.217/.122
Meanwhile, in 46 AB vs. LHP, Jeff Baker has 2 home runs. And is hitting .500/.511/.696.
Now, tell me again who should be playing first base against lefthanded pitching.
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Not DeWitt?
Will Blake be catching instead?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yeah, hopefully he'll hit 3rd over DeWitt.
Which I don’t mind since he’s been crushing lefties.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 19, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow thats ownage.
Pena is just such a weird hitter.
we
were lucky this wasnt a yankee blowout with all the walks issued.they actually played a pretty solid game.even with the good play it will be very difficult to even approach 500. and thats too bad because this division is so winnable. how do the cardinals lose 7 straight and remain 1 game out?and the pirates 3 games out?dont get me started.
We played a large part in the Cards' efforts to stay afloat
Just sayin’.
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
eww .. i know ..

It was like kissing my own brother.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Happy Father's Day
to all you fathers out there. Hope your sons and/or daughters have a catch with you.
Fasten those seat belts...
Oh and it really stinks that you Dads
don’t get a nice day game to listen to today while standing by your grills or lounging in your hammocks. If you ask me, having a night game on Father’s Day is just wrong.
Fasten those seat belts...
Welcome series
With the team’s record being what it is I’m glad fans, especially those attending the games, are enjoying this series.
I think Reed Johnson would be an everyday player if he didn’t have back problems. There is still the question of what his stat line would be if he faced both right and lefthanded pitchers over the course like Ramirez, Castro and some of the others do.
Agony and ecstasy .. it's the Cubs, what do you expect
They rose to the occasion, barely, and just not enough to win. We’ve heard it before.
When Dempster came out for the 6th I knew it was gone. Another Quadecision fail.
He was struggling to end it and either Carpenter or Russell could have held things up for middle relief. They didn’t. The one run Dempster gave up was why the game didn’t keep going another 3 hours.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975

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