Cubs management continues to profess its love and reverence for Wrigley. But privately, the same group is making sure that people in baseball are well aware that it would take a massive infusion of dollars to keep Wrigley functional for much longer -- and even that might not be enough.
"Honestly, I don't know if that place can survive for five years," said one of those baseball people. "The infrastructure is in brutal shape."
Asked if Wrigley was even a candidate for a Fenway-style renovation, the same source replied: "To be honest? I'd have to say no way."
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If only there were some easy way for the Rickett's Family to tap into some kind of new revenue source.....
hmmm….
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 21, 2011 4:29 PM CDT reply actions
Proven right
Oh how it feels so good.
by Bad Midget on Jun 21, 2011 4:34 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
"Proven right"?
On what basis do you say that? What is NOT posted above from the article is this:
But you won’t see anyone in baseball publicly suggesting the Cubs move out of their own little national historic monument. Wrigley is too beloved to mess with — in any way other than allowing the word to get around that beneath the ivy and the bleachers, it’s no longer the perfect, idyllic ballpark it appears to be. So if you think you’ve heard the last of this, guess again.
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The article says that the Ricketts will not PUBLICLY say they have to move, but privately have made it very clear.
I guess I’m not sure what BM was proven right about, or what that quote contradicts.
The ESPN source is quoting “Cubs management” as saying one thing publicly (“we want to stay in Wrigley”), and another thing privately (“we don’t even think it CAN be renovated”).
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beneath the ivy and the bleachers??
You mean the part of Wrigley Field that was renovated just 5 years ago?
Yeah, smart line there.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jun 22, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
This is nothing more than posturing on the part of Cubs management.
They have already tried a more academic approach to getting a hold on the amusement tax revenue, now they’re going to try to tug on the emotional heart strings in hopes that it opens the purse strings.
I’m not suggesting that Wrigley doesn’t need work, it needs a lot of work but the idea that it’s beyond repair is pure smoke.
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We're well into the "veiled threat" stage. Next comes the "explicit threat" stage.
It’s funny how quickly “we’re going to take any action necessary to ensure that the Cubs stay in Wrigley for years to come” morphs into “the stadium isn’t even a candidate for renovation.”
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And the "explicit threat" stage will either be new stadium or the Reinsdorf tact.
Threaten to move the team.
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
And
Threatening to move to another city worked for the White Sox.
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Sure.
24 years ago, when the state had money for such things.
Times are different now.
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Sometimes I think the Cubs would be better off playing in another city
Cities with two teams in this day and age is a bad idea.
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Why?
Only the Giants and A’s have too small of a market for two teams, IMO.
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All that money could be going to one club instead of two
That can’t be a bad thing.
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Metropolitan Chicago has nine million people.
That’s certainly enough to support two teams.
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doh....to = told
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Disagree from an engineering standpoint...
Much like for bridge structures, when the concrete onthe ramp structures and the second level structural support has been allowed to deteriorate to the point that pieces are falling off the bottom, the internal steel reinforcement is pretty much toast.
As an engineer, I find it very believeable that it will cost more to repair Wrigley than to tear it down and rebuild it from the ground up, particularly given that amenities such as more luxury boxes are a given for the Ricketts as part of any renovation (particularly since I see no way this gets off the ground without majority funding from Joe, Tom and his clan) and this will require a complete re-configuration of the upper deck to accommodate the luxury boxes.
Not to mention the concept of ‘obstructed view’ seating is ridiculous in modern times. A new upper deck configuration would permit an open, cantilevered design with no support columns. The facade would be restored to simulate Wrigley in the 1930’s (much like Citi Field – Ebbets Field). The bleachers and the scoreboard stay intact, and reasonable sized videoboards get integrated into the new grandstand somehow.
I believe that if you want to save Wrigley in it’s current location, the Cubs will have to play somewhere else for one year. Comiskey Park is the best option (I refuse to call it Cell Phone Field or whatever it’s current name is) for a year or two.
Look, the Bears managed to survive playing eight home games at University of Illinois (2.5 hours away) for one year while Soldier Field was basically re-built the same way. No reason the Cubs can’t survive a year away from home a 45 minute L ride from Wrigley.
If they start on October 1st of one year, they can finish by April 1st two years later. That’s an 18 month construction schedule. Working round the clock with some favorable weather (yay global warming), it should be possible. Strucutral steel and concrete can be done in cold weather, even in Chicago.
The alternative is that the Ricketts will start courting north side suburbs in a bidding war. Guessing Arlington Park would be a logical location (horse racing is on it’s deathbed, good access to rail and roadway). It is naive to think otherwise. But hey, the Chicago Historical Society will have this really great baseball museum at Clark and Addison.
It's 106 miles to Chicago...
by BDR529 on Jun 23, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget that ridiculously low sky!!!
by SenorGato on Jun 21, 2011 5:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You say this all the time. Like 4-5 times a day. What does it mean?
Are you saying that Cubs critics are chicken littles who say that the sky is falling?
Because in this case, “the sky is falling” is coming from the Cubs front office itself.
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Is it really that hard to figure out what I'm saying when I say that?
And in this, I was addressing TJ’s post and not the direct topic. Thanks for your help though.
I foresee a stadium in the burbs within 10 years
Ricketts is laying the groundwork now. Asking for public money to fix the park when he knows there is no way that will happen with the current financial situation of the city/county/state. Whispers within the organization that it may already be too late to fix it no matter how much public money they get. I recall a similar thing happening when Reinsdorf wanted a new stadium. Eventually he just let it fall apart to the point where the team had no choice but to move. By the time the state has enough funds to finance anything, it will be too late and plans for “Wrigley west” will be underway.
Trade me right f@#$ing now!
time will tell
Trade me right f@#$ing now!
Funny picture
How is this conspiracy theory if it has happened before? Ever hear of “history repeating itself”, or do you have tinfoil over your ears? Or are you one of those “fans” who do not recognise the Chicago White Sox as a major league organization?
Trade me right f@#$ing now!
If the Ricketts got rid of Wrigley...
…there would be a revolt. I think (hope) the Ricketts are too smart for this. Is your scenario possible, of course. Likely, I don’t think so. Just my opinion…
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Please
The only people who would be revolting wouldn’t be true fans. True Cubs fans would be willing to see this team play anywhere as long as they don’t move to another major city. I for one would like to see Wrigley brought to the scrap heap of history. It’s nearly a century overdue to get out of that dump.
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Ah yes, another "true fan" speech.
yawn
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Face it
If you’re a fan of the park more than the club, then you have to ask some questions about your status as a fan.
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I think
you can be a fan of both…its perfectly ok to want to stay in Wrigley but then to scoff at the idea that the state/city shouldnt kick in some money to help fund the rebuild is silly. It brings revenue into the city and they are certaintly quick to determine how it is used.
We honestly don't know what's going to happen to Wrigley
There’s nothing wrong with fan sentiment wanting to save Wrigley, but what if it couldn’t be saved? If they have to build a new stadium, it just has to happen. Plenty of old stadiums have met the wrecking ball, so why should Wrigley be unique? A new stadium would be a breath of fresh air for this franchise.
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Who is going to pay for the renovations for Wrigley?
We can have this argument all day long. Apparently when this issue came up for vote, it was not seen as prudent to renovate Wrigley Field. But say it is important to renovate Wrigley like some are saying. If it doesn’t happen, what’s going to happen? Wrigley will reach a point where it can’t be saved. At that point, the Cubs will either need a new stadium in Chicago or they’ll have to move to another city to get that new stadium.
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They're not even close to being at that point.
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How do you know?
I’m talking about possibilities and you’re talking about certainties. Do you work for the Cubs? If so, can you get me Carlos Marmol’s autograph so I can sell it on eBay for one cent?
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True fans?
If a true fan doesn’t care about the stadium, why would a true fan care about the city? Whether you like it or not, Wrigley is a part of what makes the Cubs the Cubs.
Also, you are not the majority of Cubs fans. The stadium means a lot to many people and if Ricketts were to move, he would kill off a large chunk of the fanbase.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
But what if the renovations can't happen?
If that’s the case and the Cubs need a new stadium, then they would have to figure out how to go about their business without those fans.
Obviously, the current situation is unsustainable. There are only a few ways out of this.
by jerry morales rules on Jun 22, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure that would be different.
But it’s not some giant conspiracy by the Ricketts like the OP was implying.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
If Wrigley is beyond repair at this point, then there is no way fans would be allowed...
…in the ballpark. This is all smoke, designed for one reason…to scare the city and state into the idea that Chicago could lose it’s 3rd most popular tourist attraction.
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A building can be "beyond reasonable repair" and still be inhabitable
band aids to keep the park functioning are different than a total renovation like Fenway.
Trade me right f@#$ing now!
A few years back before they rebuilt the bleachers the Cubs organization were...
…maybe a couple of years away from being to that the bleachers were uninhabitable. The underneath structural issues were a mess. I’m almost certain at that time the bleachers were the area of the ballpark that needed the most attention.
The only thing I can see that would make this a real scenario is if the complete infrastructure is such that they would basically have to completely dig out the underbelly of the ballpark and gut out the piping. Structural steel , the upperdeck, grandstands can all be replaced.
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how the heck did I reply fail all the way up the board.
Anyway……to = told.
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The house I was born in and someplace else.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
1st absolutely must be the worlds only two story outhouse...
If so...
…Ricketts has been blowing a hell of a lot of smoke. Also, if it is true they feel it is not worth fixing up the park, they had to know this before they bought the club.
I tend to think this is posturing, but I guess we’ll see over time.
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There's always been discussion of a landfill at Addison and the Lakefront
Not that anyone other than me has ever said this, but I think there’s an opportunity to put a stadium right on the river with views of downtown over the outfield. When there was some discussion of DePaul building a stadium in the city, the land where A. Finkel was located was discussed. There are many, many companies in old buildings located along the river that could use new locations. The city owns a lot of land along the river including the Streets and San fleet department just north of the Home Depot on North ave. Yes, this would require a partnership with the City and some concessions from local businesses, but I think it could be done.
Another idea is the land that has just been cleared from the final few Cabrini Green buildings. Perhaps there already are plans for that land, I’m not sure.
However, I remain 100% convinced that if the Cubs and the City wanted to work this out, they could find a favorable parcel of land on the North side close to downtown that could be used.
by jerry morales rules on Jun 22, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ISnt this the same stadium
that had chunks of concrete fall from it a few years back?
I say tear it and the damn rooftop buildings down and rebuild. Hell make the new one an exact replica but give us updated facilities (including a jumbotron), 5000 more seats in the outfield and a nice player lockerroom.
Sounds good to me, as long as the new park does not replicate Wrigley's bad features that affect play, recruitment, and profitability.
• At minimum, the new park should be at least 5 ft. deeper from power alley to power alley.
• Foul territory should be increased by 5 ft. all the way around.
• Bullpens under the grandstand.
• Wind barriers outside of the grandstand.
• Simulated brick crash barriers under the ivy.
• State of the art lighting system, with as many night games as other NL teams.
• Naming rights available to highest bidder.
• Signage and Jumbotron on adjacent rooftops.
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by ernaga on Jun 21, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
5000 more seats?
They can’t even fill the ones they have.
PS – screw your jumbotron.
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There's a reason most new ballparks have about 42,000 seats.
If you put more seats in, you get 5,000 bad seats that rarely sell.
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What's wrong with a jumbotron?
Oh right. It’s not traditional. They didn’t need a jumbotron when Cap Anson was playing, so they don’t need a stinkin jumbotron now.
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I don't have a problem with a Jumbotron.
There’s simply no place for one at Wrigley Field.
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which is why
you tear down the rooftop clubs, put the 5000 seats in the outfield and a jumbotron to the right of the scoreboard.
What?
How are you going to “tear down the rooftop clubs”? There are 17 buildings involved — people do live in those buildings, and there are city streets that you can’t close.
Good luck with that.
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lol wow..
you need to stop writing about things you have no clue about.
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Those bldgs could be had for next to nothing 30 yrs ago
when TribCo took over. Crappy area, ball park run down, property values crappy, etc etc. Now it’s just not an option. Back then, with the old bldgs gone and parking established, the Cubs could have expanded the bleachers up and out further than they eventually did a few years ago.
Plus no way would the streets be permanently closed but the Cubs back then could have worked up a plan to “block party” Sheffield from Addison to Waveland, and perhaps Waveland, Sheffield to Kenmore.
Just win the next game...!
Go root for the South Side team if you want a jumbotron so bad.
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Please explain to me what's wrong with a jumbotron
And explain it to me like you would explain it to a five year old.
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it takes away from the game
just like night baseball, negro’s playing and the DH – if we could just go back to 1930’s baseball all of the world’s problems would be fixed, the least of which would be peace in the Middle East…
Your sarcasm tag is missing
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You wouldn't need to ask if...
…you’d been to a Marlins game in the past few years. The NOISE LEVEL (visual & auditory) completely precludes talking to one’s neighbor about the game, or even hearing oneself think!
5k more seats in of itself isn't a bad idea
it would depend on how the place is laid out.
The current place could not even consider it in its present location. Too small an area & far too costly.
Just win the next game...!
That may have, repeat may have...
flown when TribCo took over in 1981. The neighborhood was a shit hole the team didn’t draw, it wasn’t “Wrigleyville” yet and there certainly were no icons yet like Harry and Ryno on the scene.
But then you’d have to deal with the city and the streets. It would have been a 50/50 chance then. Now? No way in hell.
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At first
I thought it was just the Ricketts feeding someone a veiled threat of moving the team if they didn’t get the money they wanted.
But if that’s the case, why would they suggest the facilities were beyond repair? That doesn’t make any sense. And how would the Ricketts fund a new stadium, if they decided that’s what they wanted. They certainly aren’t getting funding from the state for it, and I doubt the Ricketts have another 7 or 8 hundred million lying around to build a new one themselves.
DEJESUS!!!
Goofy question:
Would tearing it down and rebuilding it in the same location ever be an option?
Fasten those seat belts...
Probably not.
That would force the Cubs to leave for at least a year, maybe two.
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The Yankees did it
Renovating Old Yankee Stadium forced the Yankees to play their home games at Shea for a couple of seasons.
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Irrelevant
I know being clients for the White Sox wouldn’t be ideal, but it’s far from being a last resort.
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In a lot bigger area
Forgetting for a moment they played at Shea for 2 seasons IIRC.
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Been done before. With the Cell under ISFA ownership it makes all kinds of sense.
by bourbon_and_branch on Jun 22, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind them playing somewhere else for a year or two.
I think it would be the perfect solution.
Fasten those seat belts...
Yep. If the Bears can play a season in the sticks, the Cubs can stand a year or two on the wrong side of town.
by bourbon_and_branch on Jun 22, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
330 feet down the RF line, 160 feet down the LF line!
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I've never been to there before...
…wasn’t sure how much room they have on the sidelines.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
It would be like the Dodgers playing in the LA Coliseum.
Something like this. With a 40-foot screen in LF.

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Deep down, we know the Cubs would win it all in one of those seasons away from Wrigley.
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No
Land area simply isn’t enough and I’m not even sure they’d want the upper deck like it currently is (significant overhang).
Just win the next game...!
Wrigley has the best upper deck in the game. A new design with better integration of the suites would eliminate the tunnel vision from the 200 sections.
They have enough land to build a great park. Anything bigger would be against the spirit of what makes Wrigley (and Fenway) so special.
by bourbon_and_branch on Jun 22, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd love for them to knock down Wrigley's grandstand and rebuild.
Even if it meant 2-3 years at the Cell. It would be worth it.
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Yep. I’m for whatever it takes to ensure another century or so at Clark and Addison.
by bourbon_and_branch on Jun 22, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
If they started after the end of next season
they could have it done for the 100 year anniversary.
Trade me right f@#$ing now!
Blind quotes likely Kenney
He is the non-baseball guy feeling the most heat (appropriately so) and this would best justify his existence.
I would be OK at Comiskey for a few years. They made it easy for us to get in and out Monday night. Two CTA Lines and Metra supplement the Dan Ryan nicely.
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by Dan Serafini on Jun 22, 2011 10:41 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
The Cell is an OK ballpark.
I don’t mind going there. There are some Cubs fans who refuse to go, even to see the Cubs play there. To me, that’s just silly.
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That's silly.
The Cell is just fine…not terrible, not great either though. It’s amazing that it’s already 20 years old.
My biggest problem with the Cell is where the exit’s and entrances are at. I hate that you have to walk halfway around the stadium to get in.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
You don't.
Just go in on the north side of 35th street.
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OK...that's it. I've had it with all this rain.
While we are at it tearing Wrigley down and rebuilding it, let’s put a retractable roof on top of it. Enough is enough.
Fasten those seat belts...
How about just a giant umbrella that could be placed over Wrigley during rain delays?
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Well I've seen your's.
If you hold it out just a foot or two farther in front of you that might just work. :-)
Fasten those seat belts...
That's been done
It is called Olympic Stadium in Montreal.
Yeah, that didn't work out so well, did it.
I withdraw the suggestion.
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It will never get completely torn down
and re-built on the same site. The costs would astronomical in that small area. Not to mention everything associated with zoning & safety for a “modern” stadium. Of course, they’d have to get past all the landmark stuff too.
I know, I know…. <<< it was sarcasm >>>
But all sarcasm aside, I’d have to wonder if they’d completely level the upper deck, re-establish skyboxes further down each baseline, then re-build the upper deck, just another 20’ higher and also curved inwards as it sweeps towards each foul pole.
Really though, if the Cubs can figure out how to double the skyboxes, maybe even put pent-house suites above the ‘new’ upper deck, they’d really increase the biggest revenue generator that ballpark can ever achieve.
Just win the next game...!
OK then, just so you're OK with it
being located in somewhere else, likely outside city limits and better yet, Cook Cty.
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