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Cubs Run Themselves Out Of, Then Into, 6-4 Win Over Royals

KANSAS CITY -- I think if the Cubs had made one more baserunning mistake during Friday night's 6-4 win over the Royals, I was going to go down to the field and start holding a baserunning clinic myself.

Come to think of it, I would probably have to have taught the Royals, too. The Cubs had four runners thrown out on the bases (either by trying to stretch hits that they shouldn't have or via being caught stealing), and the Royals had two, including a runner who was safe at first base on a bunt single, attempted to steal second, was safe there, overran the base where Starlin Castro missed an easy tag, and only then was out in a rundown (mercifully, shorter than most recent Cubs rundowns) between second and third.

Actually, my friend Julie DiCaro summed it up best in this tweet during the game:

I'm telling you, this game is like the #Cubs playing themselves.

Let's make it clear that says "playing themselves", not "playing with themselves". This is, after all, a family blog.

Star-divide

When it was all over, the Cubs had their win thanks, in part, to a controversial umpiring call in the ninth inning. How these two teams managed to score four runs each by that time is beyond me, although KC's Jeff Francoeur hit a home run for two of them -- even that might not have guaranteed scoring, since it's possible to pass a runner after a home run is hit and negate a run or runs. I'm almost surprised that didn't happen.

Anyway, after Alfonso Soriano struck out, Tony Campana (who had entered the game in the eighth) popped a bunt down the third base line, which landed just on the grass in front of 3B Mike Moustakas' glove.

Or did it? Moustakas thought he caught it, but plate umpire Jeff Kellogg ruled a trap. Moustakas hesitated briefly before throwing, and that gave enough time for the speedy Campana to reach base.

That, somehow, energized the Cubs. DJ LeMahieu singled, and then Kosuke Fukudome hit what should have been a double-play ball. Even that would have given the Cubs the lead if Fukudome would have beaten the relay throw, as Campana was on third base. But it took a funny hop on Chris Getz, everyone was safe, and the Cubs added a second run on a Starlin Castro single.

As if this wasn't ugly enough, Ryan Dempster barely made it through six innings; he gave up nine hits, including Francoeur's home run, and threw just 70 strikes in 108 pitches. Since he gave up only three earned runs, thanks to his own throwing error just before that homer, he gets a "quality start" -- one of the worst such starts I've ever seen. But the Cubs bullpen did a good job of keeping the Royals scoreless, even though Chris Carpenter walked the first two hitters he faced. This is a real problem I have with the reflexive lefty/righty pitcher matchup thing that most managers do. James Russell got two quick outs on nine pitches -- but since the next hitter was LH, Mike Quade got him out of there for Carpenter, who nearly blew the inning with the walks.

Carlos Marmol was a bit shaky also, walking the first batter he faced and putting the tying run on via a Billy Butler double with two out before getting Alex Gordon to ground out to end it. Good thing, too, with Francoeur due up next. I almost expected that ground ball to do something weird, but Starlin Castro handled it flawlessly. Given what occurred Friday night, that wasn't necessarily routine.

Kauffman Stadium, known to locals as "The K", is a very nice place to watch a baseball game. The renovations to the park, completed before the 2009 season, added seats, restaurants, and a Royals Hall of Fame (which I did not see last night but intend to before I leave) in the outfield, where before only fountains inhabited the space beyond the OF wall. Everything is clean and easy to find; the seats I had in section 113 down the LF line had great sightlines (although you do have to turn a bit to face the plate). The food was good and, by 2011 major league standards, not overpriced.

Employees, mostly dressed in polo shirts of various colors (none of which was Royals blue, oddly) and cowboy hats, were unfailingly friendly. It reminded me, actually, of an overgrown spring training stadium, with the open concourses and friendly locals, although there were far more Cubs fans than Royals fans in the crowd of 32,921 (not quite a sellout, though the only open seats were at the top of the upper deck, and a sellout is expected Saturday night), perhaps 60% or more of the total. The cheering for Cubs runs, good plays (yes, there even were some of those), and the wins, were the loudest I've heard at any Cubs road game outside of Milwaukee, and maybe louder than some of those, too.

Royals management does everything right -- except for getting fans out of the parking lot. My hotel is approximately eight miles from the K. It took an hour to get back. Four lanes of traffic were shoved down to two and then one, and then onto a single-lane access road where, because I followed a sign to I-70 (the route to the hotel), I wound up going the wrong way down this road. Turning around and going the other way was no help, as traffic was being bottlenecked by police about a mile down the road -- for no particular reason, as once I got past the police, it was all open. It was the worst parking lot mess I have ever been in, and I've been to Dodger Stadium with a full house.

But other than that, the Royals were fine hosts, both for the Cubs and their fans. Thanks to the BCBers who stopped by last night; hope to see more of you tonight, and another Cubs win. The elusive three-game winning streak might be at hand.

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Baserunning

Ha! I yelled “TOOTBLAN!!!” when Soto was gunned down at 3rd. Apparently he overestimated his speed, and underestimated Francoeur. At least he didn’t end the inning…he left that to, what appeared to be, a slogging along Soriano.

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by HawkVision on Jun 25, 2011 8:06 AM CDT reply actions  

That was about the worst baserunning I have ever seen.

By both teams.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not Ramirez trying to stretch a single into a double?

When they showed him rounding first at full speed I said aloud “He’s out.” I don’t know how he thought he’d make it.

by Danwood on Jun 25, 2011 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

And some

like Ramis…were just plain foolish. We’ve been calling for “more aggression” on the basepaths but when we get it, the results weren’t what was anticipated. I find it impossible to believe we weren’t trying to exploit the info of advance scouts.

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 25, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Royals lead the majors in outfield assists...

…not sure why the Cubs thought they could “exploit” their outfield arms.

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by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

And you don't need an advance scout to know about Francoeur.

His arm has been recognized for years as one of the best.

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by rlpete on Jun 25, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't know about leading league in Assists.

Hard to figure why Cubs/Quade would choose Royals to get aggressive then.

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 25, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because they've done that all year.

How many times have we seen Cubs runners thrown out after bad decisions on taking extra bases this year?

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too many.

Maybe it was me, but those decisions seemed “extra-foolish” last nite. But, I for one, (thinking season “lost”), wanted to see some agression on bases. Worked out poorly tho. That’s why I don’t coach I guess! :)

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 25, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it was the

disproportionate number of outs per attempt that skewed my view? We just looked silly.

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 25, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Both teams looked silly.

Last night was a bad baseball clinic.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

True. And I

doubt Cubs arms were viewed as lethal as Royals from the field?

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 25, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

True, too.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not as lethal, no

But Dome and Sori are both somewhat feared – Dome more so.

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by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

True. Dome is pretty darn good

and Sori, when he sets right, is pretty formidable too.

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 25, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha...

..did the same thing.

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by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or Sori trying to make it home?

He looked out even before he rounded third and started dragging his anchor toward home.

by txtom on Jun 25, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a coaches decision isn't it?

Unless Sori missed a stop sign.

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 25, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't surprise me a bit...

…..if Soriano had to retire early due to arthritis in his knees and/or hips. The poor guy simply has a lot of difficulty running. Something is wrong for a player that young to move like he does. And I wouldn’t wish that on anybody.

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by BAMACOLONEL on Jun 25, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree...

if that was Soriano’s “all-out effort”, then he hasn’t got much time left as a professional ball player. That was really pathetic. I hope he does the right thing after this year and retires…but, with the money he has guaranteed, I don’t see that happening.

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by Easy Ed on Jun 25, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. It was almost to the point

of being amazing! That said, there were some very accurate throws made to result in all those baserunning gaffes.

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 25, 2011 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Big correction, Al...

The Fukodome grounder was with one out – a double play would have ended the inning! Big difference. I half expected a squeeze call of some kind, since Campana was on third base AGAIN. Oh well, it all worked out. But it was an ugly game…

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by DKT on Jun 25, 2011 8:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh, right.

I’ll fix that.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

The score was tied 4-4, but I thought it was a big deal at the time....

That was a tailor made DP ball and only the shoddy K.C. defense saved us. If the Royals scratch across a run and the Cubs lose, that’s the play of the game IMO. Again, with Campana on third, I was calling for some kind of squeeze.

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by DKT on Jun 25, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

If Fukudome could have beaten the relay, Campana scores. But that’s not a gimme by any means.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kosuke...

…was credited with an RBI on that play. The official scorer must not be able to assume a DP.

by ryan89 on Jun 25, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correct.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

The real coaching issue there was....

As even Bob Brenly was putting it, DJ could’ve swiped second without a throw, because they likely wouldn’t have attempted a throw with Campana on 3rd. The Royals had just held a meeting on the mound to discuss what to do.

Quade should’ve sent DJ to avoid the double play in the first place. However, the Royals bad baseball took care of it for us. But don’t look past bad in-game managing. Those are how managers cost you wins. And Quade does these sorts of things everyday.

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by SackMan on Jun 25, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Umpiring was terrible. Soto was safe. Soriano was safe at home.

Moustakas caught the pop up bunt. And Carpenter had strike 3(all of the plate) before he walked the second guy. Fortunately the bad calls evened out on this night. Would love an 8-1 win tonight, for a change.

by Rick B on Jun 25, 2011 8:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Replays looked like Castor was safe at third in the first inning too.

by ryan89 on Jun 25, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed on that one, too

But the ball beat him there – that’s often good enough for the umpires of today.

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by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soto, yes

I thought Pena made a good block of the plate on Sori – looked that way from the WGN replays, anyway.

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by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al, you sounded as if you

Were leaving a spring training game at the Dodgers/White Sox. Was it worse than that?

 I hope the rain moves out before tonight. I don’t want to sit through a delay.

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by mrcubsfan on Jun 25, 2011 8:26 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Yes, the traffic made Camelback Ranch's issues look like nothing.

I managed to get out of the Rangers Ballpark lot last year, a bigger lot with a larger crowd, faster than that.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I remember

trying to get out of Jack Murphy Stadium in San Diego when I used to live down there. If it was a pretty full house, it would take close to an hour just to get out of the lot. Fortunately, on most nights there were only 10k or so in the house and traffic wasn’t as much of an issue. By comparison when I make my one or two trips up to Wrigley each year we usually stay at a hotel in the river north area. We walk down to the El station on Belmont to avoid the mass of people at Sheffield, take the brown line train, and are back to the hotel in 45 minutes. Huge parking lots aren’t as convenient as people think they are.

by qccub on Jun 25, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Our hotel was a little further away

and it took us some time to get out, too. We also stayed for the fireworks. Our seats were row YY in the upper deck behind home plate- quite a hike.
 Regardless, the K is a nice place, and the KC fans are always good to be around.

Hope to stop by and visit the LF area tonight- here’s hoping for another win!

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by tommy veryzer on Jun 25, 2011 8:30 AM CDT reply actions  

I'll be in 214, row BB tonight.

Stop on by.

That upper deck looks REAL steep.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

After we had made it up there, it was kind of fun to watch everyone else struggle up. Got to hand it to the beer vendors, though. We had a steady supply!

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by tommy veryzer on Jun 25, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Playig with...

Always reminds me of a wonderful Woody Allen quote, however this is a “family” blog.

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Jun 25, 2011 8:57 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Another correction...

Getz overran second on a steal attempt, not an overthrown ball at 1B. SInce he hit 2nd safely, he was awarded a SB, however he then over-slid the base and ran towards third to avoid the tag. Makes good sense with the Cubs’ tendency to make 13 throws in those situations, likely ended in an error.

by portlandcubfan on Jun 25, 2011 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

See?

My recap reflected the bad play of the game. I’ll fix this too.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Getz wasn't rewarded a SB, it was a caught stealing.

 
Credit Castro for quickly getting up off the ground to make the play an easy one. Getz had little to no chance no matter what base he would attempt to get to.

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by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why the Royals staff doesn't wear blue:

It makes it easier to spot them! And you learn the colors pretty quick, like green is for the ushers. Oh, and the concessions staff do wear Royals blue.
Speaking of concessions, maybe I haven’t been to too many games outside of Wrigley and the K, but I find the Royals concessions to be overpriced. $8 for a fricken beer? Is that the norm these days? I just stayed thirsty for the game and got a 59 cent 32oz fountain drink at QuickTrip afterwards.

by ryan89 on Jun 25, 2011 9:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Why the Royals staff doesn’t wear blue: It makes it easier to spot them!

Wow, a team doing something that actually makes sense.

I didn’t notice the beer prices because I usually don’t drink beer during games. That IS expensive, even higher than Wrigley.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

What's had greater inflation over the last decade

Cubs bleacher tickets or beer at a Cubs game?

by Chi-Fed on Jun 25, 2011 10:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

8 bucks!?

:: Drops Jaw::

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 25, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know the Yankees mets and sox all sell their beer for

9 dollars. Beer prices suck at any stadiums.

How much is it at wrigley?

by SenorGato on Jun 25, 2011 10:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nope

Just a standard Bud Light and similar.

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by tommy veryzer on Jun 25, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Highway robbery

Do they let you bring in your own cooler?

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by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Angels @ Dodgers had base running errors galore as well

It was even frustrating Vin Scully. Must be something in the air.

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by BeerCub on Jun 25, 2011 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Al, have you ever seen a player lose it faster than Ramirez?

He’s stunningly bad, what a horrible at bat with the bases loaded last night. He quickly got into an 0-2 hole and a fast ball was blown right by him. Al, he’s terrible. I agree with your earlier that point that he’s going to retire. I can’t imagine anyone paying him more than two to three million next year. He’s just done.

by MikeJW on Jun 25, 2011 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Kinda like D Lee...

"Don't eat the eggs". "Why?" "Bill put LSD in the eggs"... Bill: "and in the water..." "But Bill...we drank the water!" From the parody "Cub Fans that Stare at Pujols".

by jeffstorm2 on Jun 25, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Ramirez's decline is more severe.

And more surprising.

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by Unique on Jun 25, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right, it would appear.

The only player I can remember coming back from a power outage like this was Gary Gaetti, who followed up a pair of 20+ homer seasons with a 600+ PA year with only five, then recovered to have several 30+ HR seasons after that.

But Gaetti was seven years younger than Ramirez when he did that. Aramis is on pace to hit 11 HR this year, unless he gets hot somehow. I think he’s done.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was two feet from hitting a HR last night...

Not making excuses for him – he’s been WELL below average and looks disinterested a lot of the time..

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by DKT on Jun 25, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

True.

All true.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Al, do you feel that (within the org.) we

have a viable replacement for Aram? Or, must we sign another? If so, who?

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 25, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, there's always Josh Vitters to talk about.

Will he be ready next year? Probably not. But I cannot see Ramirez returning. This will be his last year as a Cub.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree. We're (currently) putting too

much faith in an unproven Vitters. I agree that letting Rami return is a bad move. Who then? (I trust my apology was accepted?)

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 25, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Depending on Detroit finally having enough of Brandon Inge's Ks

and acquiring a SS, they might dangle him in a trade and shift Jhonny Peralta from short to third. Inge signed a two-year deal the past offseason, and he’s scheduled to make $5.5M in 2012.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Amazing fact.

Brandon Inge is a year older than Aramis Ramirez.

No thanks.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sad in a way (last year as a Cub)

I recall the constant discussions regarding having a consistent 3b man prior to Aramis joining the team. Got to give the guy credit, he did everything Cub fans could hope for in that position (I may go so far as to say with a contract that was just about right). How big was he in the good years? Big.
Now we look to have some longevety up the middle and back to the old revolving door on the corners (barring a serious signing).

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Jun 25, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we could get Reyes, we could move Castro to third and use a combo

of Barney, Baker, and DJ at second. I think DeWitt will be gone hopefully for a decent reliever.

by jpeters407 on Jun 25, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather see Castro at 2B than 3B.

He doesn’t have the power numbers to play there, and he’d have even longer throws to make.

If you put Castro at 2nd, have Baker/Flaherty play 3B and have Barney back up the MI.

by bdlugz on Jun 25, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gaetti

I’m not sure that is a good comp as you say that happened when he turned 27. That was the upside of his career.

The strange thing with Gaetti was how he went from six straight seasons of less than 20 HR’s from age 30 to 35 before finding the fountain of youth and 35 HR’s at age 36. Hmmmm…….

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by rlpete on Jun 25, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dale Murphy seemed to suddenly tail off, too

After 1987 he only lasted like three more years.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

That may be a good comp for Aramis.

Murphy’s decline was similarly inexplicable.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was my first thought too.

157 OPS+ at age 31 and potential HOF career to sub 100 by age 33. Murphy was even more explicable than Ramirez though. Ramirez never was in the best shape and I always figured he would decline fairly early. I didn’t expect the power outage so quickly though.

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by rlpete on Jun 25, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was strange too

Murphy went from being one of the best hitters in baseball, a two time back to back MVP and a potential hall of famer to stunningly average or worse in one season. I think he was only about 31 when the major decline in numbers hit.

by qccub on Jun 25, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't seem like he's been the same since the shoulder injury

though he has flashed more power than this year. Hit pretty well last night, though.

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by tommy veryzer on Jun 25, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last year his power was supposedto be done...

but as it turns out…He ended up with more doubles and home runs in the second half.

by SenorGato on Jun 25, 2011 12:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nice recap Al, especially
This is a real problem I have with the reflexive lefty/righty pitcher matchup thing that most managers do. James Russell got two quick outs on nine pitches — but since the next hitter was LH, Mike Quade got him out of there for Carpenter, who nearly blew the inning with the walks.

Agree to the nth power. I hate guys who manage “because that’s what you’re supposed to do” or “because that’s his role” or similar CYA logic that only exists to absolve themselves of the responsibility of managing the situation at hand.

[Kauffman Stadium] reminded me, actually, of an overgrown spring training stadium, with the open concourses and friendly locals

I’ve had the same impression, even if I got it only by watching games from KC on TV. Were it not for the money being tight right now, and what little I have already spent on a work conference in Dallas coming up soon, I’d be there this weekend to stop by and say ‘hi’.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2011 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Hendry continues to play the Cub fanbase for fools

on Quade…nobody is buying this crap. He just loses more and more credibility. We know what we see.

I’m very happy with him," Hendry said. “Look, he’s still in a tough spot (without Marlon Byrd and Darwin Barney). Those are two guys you miss still that you can’t quite make it look perfect every night, one through nine, how you might want to line it up. He has had to mix and match three-hole guys. … Some nights you’re not going to put up the runs you’d like. That’s why when you get 5-6-7 runs, you have to win those.”

by MikeJW on Jun 25, 2011 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

no, but don't say he's doing a good job either

that’s just foolish. We’re not idiots and he just looks stupid.

by MikeJW on Jun 25, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say that.

But you are claiming that Hendry is playing us for fools because of a statement he made to reporters. I don’t buy that.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's had to "mix and match 3 hole guys"...

…because there isn’t one on the roster, DL, or minor leagues.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jun 25, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

I am not a fan of some of the in game decisions but Quade has been dealt a tough hand. If anything this season has shown the weakness / strength of the system. Depending on how you describe depth and what is realistically expected from the farm. Simple fact is that this is a massive transition season. I will play the fool for them this year.

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Jun 25, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't watch the game until the 9th, but yea, i heard about all those miscues......

A win is a win for the Cubs. I’ll take it anyway it can…

 As for Aramis, his rapid decline is shocking….u would think for his contract year, he would put Soriano-like numbers when he was with the Nationals…..kidding about that of course…but could PEDs play a factor?

Two Words: Salty Saltwell

by Unclemike on Jun 25, 2011 10:17 AM CDT reply actions  

It seems like ARam's body is beginning to betray him

The career wear-and-team may be affecting his bat and his glove – and his confidence.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

No.

I’ve said before that players will start aging like players used to before the PED era. Fans got used to players putting up big numbers in their late 30’s and into their 40’s. That is unnatural. Ramirez is 33 and Soriano is 35. They are getting old. In Ramirez’s case, he never was a great athlete so it is coming even earlier. Soriano was a great athlete but injuries have taken a toll.

Look at the old Cubs. Billy Williams’ last full time season was at age 35. After that he was primarily a 1st baseman and DH. Ryne Sandberg’s last above average OBP+ was age 33. If not for the DH, Andre Dawson would have been done by 37. Ron Santo’s last season was 34. By mid-30’s Ernie Banks could hit home runs but not much more. If he didn’t play first base, he would have been gone a lot earlier.

That’s why I’m leery of signing Pujols for whatever he wants.

John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.

by rlpete on Jun 25, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like Al said...

…when I stopped by right before the 9th, “Entertaining game, but BAD baseball.” Holy cow that was bad baserunning.

I always find Kauffman a pleasant place to be, but for the first time, I kept getting distracted by the various screens around the stadium. It almost felt like sitting in a video game at times. Oddly enough, we didn’t have any problems getting away from the stadium, but that might be due to how quickly we got on 435 and away from everyone else.

by Different Ryno on Jun 25, 2011 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

The screens didn't bother me.

I wonder how you get to 435 from those lots. Seemed quite difficult.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

We were on the outskirts of lot G in the northwest

So it was pretty quick to get to E Stadium Drive and then just a short jaunt to 435.

by Different Ryno on Jun 25, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Blue Ridge Cut off east to 70 west

Stay right and roll right onto 435 (that is, going North)

"For the charming if somewhat curious branch of mankind known as Cub fans, spring is a sanguine time.. Every spring holds the blithe hope that perhaps this is the season in which Satan will grow weary and ease up on the headlock in which he has diabolically held Chicago's mightily struggling National League baseball team since 1908..." Lonnie Wheeler- "Bleachers"

by tommy veryzer on Jun 25, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just saw the archive - A strange game indeed.

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

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