Chicago Cubs vs. Cincinnati Reds Preview, Tuesday 6/7, 6:10 CT: Losing Streaks
by Al Yellon on Jun 7, 2011 4:00 PM CDT
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Let's look at losing streaks, shall we? Because that's about all we've got right now.
The 2010 Cubs, headed for oblivion, lost seven in a row in late July and early August -- but that was their longest loss string. Today, the Cubs go for eight losses in a row. A Cubs team has lost eight in a row eight different times in the last 20 years -- in 1992, 1996, 2000, 2001, twice in 2005, 2006, and 2009. Note they had two streak like that in winning seasons -- 2001 and 2009.
Over that same period the Cubs have had five losing streaks longer than eight: nine, three different times (1991, 1997 and 2002), ten in 1994, and 14 straight (to open the season) in 1997, the famous streak that caused Tom Trebelhorn to have his "Firehouse Chat". That is the longest losing streak in team history.
It is in the realm of possibility that this Cubs team could threaten or break that streak. Cubs teams have in relatively recent times lost 11 straight (1973), 12 straight (1981) and 13 straight (1982 and 1985).
The team record for losses, which is 103, set in 1962 and tied in 1966, would seem to be in jeopardy this year. I don't want to come across as 100% negative, given the fact that I try to see the bright side in everything. But I don't see too many bright sides to look at right now.
Nevertheless, the Cubs will play again tonight. (If you're really looking for failure to top, the longest losing streak in the last 20 years by any team is 19, by the 2005 Royals.)
Cubs lineup:
Fukudome RF, Barney 2B, Castro SS, Peña 1B, Ramirez 3B, DeWitt LF, Campana CF, Soto C, Davis P
No Tyler Colvin tonight -- he hasn't had a hit since April. Which means he'll probably pinch hit tonight, and make it 0-for-his-last-32.
Reds lineup:
Stubbs CF, Phillips 2B, Votto 1B, Bruce RF, Gomes LF, Cairo 3B, Hernandez C, Janish SS, Volquez P
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Look! An opposing pitcher whose ERA is higher than the Cub starter's!
Won't matter. During this losing streak, the Cubs have scored more than four runs only once, and that's when they lost 12-7 to the Astros. They have scored 13 total runs in their last six games.
Look! An opposing pitcher who walks a lot of guys!
Won't matter. The Cubs are dead last in the major leagues in walks, and by a significant margin.
Look! An opposing pitcher who's given up a lot of home runs!
Won't matter. The Cubs have hit only 40 home runs in 58 games and have only seven in their last 16 games.
So for me to tell you that Doug Davis is 6-3 with a 3.31 career ERA vs. the Reds is pretty irrelevant. Edinson Volquez has already pitched against the Cubs twice this year, winning once, and in the other had a no-decision and nine strikeouts in a game the Reds also won.
Don't expect miracles today.
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Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Put down the salvia and bong
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 7, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They aren't going to be happy until they ruin Colvin
Never was convinced his upside was that high but we will never know because they are just abusing him. He finally starts hitting in AAA and they bring him up to sit him more. I just don’t get it.
You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. - Al Capone
BAHHHHHHHHHH
We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. I just can't figure out where else to play!
-- Pat Williams
by Fat Punk Kicker on Jun 7, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
colvin ruins himself
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on Jun 7, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
Sit him more? He’s BEEN playing and he S.U.C.K.S. His next AB should be in Iowa, Tennessee, Dayton or Peoria…or a C.Y. F softball game.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981
Nice to see
Colvin’s mom is posting here now.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 7, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
So an 0-for-31 streak doesn't matter?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
State high point count: 3/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 7, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
You should have heard Sean Casey on the Reds TV broadcast last night...
He was rambling to Thom about being a paperboy when he was a kid. Not even sure how they got on the subject, but it was more entertaining than the game…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Jun 7, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I am still not convinced Trebelhorn and Riggleman were the same person
You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. - Al Capone
Make that weren't the same person
You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. - Al Capone
Oh, right.
They had a HOME losing streak in 1994 that led to the Trebelhorn press conference.
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Would love to see Ricketts do that.....Or Hendry.....Or Quade.....
It would be hilarious…..They would not be able to push aside questions like they do with the press.
Sadly the fans would ask better questions.
The Tom Treblehorn home losing streak was in 1994
when he had the firehouse chat. The 0-14 was in 1997. Cubs also had a 13 game skid in 1985 after Sutcliffe got hurt.
I never thought we'd win in 97
Had my own Ferris Buehler’s Day Off type day at the ball park during that stretch. That was “fun.”
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 7, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
It says post a comment.
I can’t find anything to say.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Jun 7, 2011 4:14 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
DOUG DAVIS IS STILL ON A MLB ROSTER?
AND IT’S OURS??
WHYYYYYYYYYYYY
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
No, he's on the Cubs roster
Not a MLB roster.
by Jody Jody Davis on Jun 7, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Wow, that's cold.
Recommended.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
where's bobby scales?
high school finals should be over now right?
"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth. Joe Garagiola
he's too busy celebrating due to his great great grandchild being drafted by the cubs
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on Jun 7, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
He’s probably just finishing up his “Early Bird” dinner special at his local Denny’s right now!
by Jody Jody Davis on Jun 7, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
That's why he's not with the club.
He has to be in bed by 6:00…
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by Steven Schweickert on Jun 7, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Volquez is wild
and I sure hope we show a little plate discipline tonight early and see if he’s having those same issues that got him sent to the minors.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Jun 7, 2011 4:22 PM CDT reply actions
plate discipline??
What is that?? Man my high school coach at GBS used to preach that. RIP – good man.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
This team has less plate discipline than William "Refrigerator" Perry.
by Jody Jody Davis on Jun 7, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ill repeat from last night
Hendry would overbid by 20 million on a mop on The Price is Right.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
The original Let's Make a Deal was awesome.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Is DJ LeMahieu on the damn roster?
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
by Unique on Jun 7, 2011 4:26 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
It would be nice to give him playing time
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
by Unique on Jun 7, 2011 4:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
but if Q was thinking he wouldnt have thought that...
"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth. Joe Garagiola
And I don't mean to bench Barney..
But you got to find LeMahieu some sort of playing time.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
by Unique on Jun 7, 2011 4:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not gonna happen.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
by Unique on Jun 7, 2011 4:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If you're going to bring up a utility IF and bury him on the bench
Why not Bobby Scales?
by Jody Jody Davis on Jun 7, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
i've been here for about two yearsish...
and this is the saddest pregame write up i’ve ever seen you do Al, if i were in Chicago I’d give you a hug.
"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth. Joe Garagiola
Well, thanks.
The Cubs will win another game eventually. When, I have no idea.
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TJ "two times"11
get the papers, get the papers
"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth. Joe Garagiola
I was here in 2006.
Worst then. Barely.
"It's easy to do what's ordinary, it's difficult to do what's deemed impossible -- I guess that explains why my life is so hard, because nothing is impossible for me"
by Unique on Jun 7, 2011 4:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
My thoughts exactly
Desolate. Hopeless. I feel like I’m reading The Road.
------ TheRiot Squad ------
by RightFieldSucks on Jun 7, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
One of the best books I've ever read.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
64-98
That’s the record I predict for the Cubs now. That would be the same record as they had in 1980. The Cubs haven’t lost as many as 98 games in a season since 1980.
2011 - The 103rd time is the charm.
96 losses in 2006, close enough.
95 in 1999 and 2002, 97 in 2000.
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In 1981...
the Cubs could very well have lost at least 100 games, had it not been for the strike wiping out about a third of the schedule.
2011 - The 103rd time is the charm.
Yep.
The team was on pace to win less than 50 games.
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Surprisingly, not conclusively
Only Bill Buckner, Mike Krukow, and Rick Reuschel were better than their 2011 counterparts.
Think about Ken Reitz playing 3B, Mike Lum and a 200 year old Bobby Bonds getting time in the OF, and Dick Tidrow as your closer.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
It's not.
Joey Amalfitano wasn’t a very good manager, but he didn’t make the dumb decisions Quade had.
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could be worse
Remember that stupid plan to gut the farm system for Matt Garza? Glad that didn’t happen.
by HoosierFan on Jun 7, 2011 4:31 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
i liked how they traded for greinke instead
NL cy young!
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on Jun 7, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
The more I think about all the boneheaded moves
that this organization has made to absolutely torpedo any progress we should be making, the mor depressed I get.
Then I see that bullcrap called Wii U, and then I get pissed off.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 7, 2011 4:50 PM CDT reply actions
but it has a touch screen!
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on Jun 7, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
AWESOME!!!!!!!
It’s very possible that if I worked in the games industry, I’d kill myself after sitting through the Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo conferences. I can’t wait to see how insanely priced this thing is going to be, and you know they’re thinking that everyone who bought a Wii is going to buy a Wii U, ignoring the fact that older folks and parents aren’t going to pay for something that expensive, or breakable.
Also, most uncomfortable looking controller ever?
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 7, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm gonna buy one...
I thought it looked pretty cool
They both (stats & bikinis) show a lot, but not everything. - Infielder Toby Harrah
Poster formerly known as Wrigster.
by bilbosbuttons on Jun 7, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess
I’ll keep up with the game on my puter again………….have better things to do like watching paint dry or the grass grow.
Hate saying that but that’s how I feel about this team right now. It sure doesn’t look like it’s going to get much better either.
HENDRY MUST GO, HENDRY MUST GO, HENDRY MUST GO………..clicking my heels 3 times. POOF he’s gone………..chuckles
I'll watch until Deadliest Catch comes on.
That’s the best I can do. Man my fandom has really taken a hit this season.
I don't always block shots, but when I do....I block yours.
Kyle Korver is open as soon as he gets out of his car at the UC. -
Stacey King
I guess my question at this point is
with all of these frustrations, articles, and losses, when do we here from our fearless leaders? I’m guessing never, but it would be nice to hear something that wasn’t complete BS come from Ricketts or Hendry.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 7, 2011 4:55 PM CDT reply actions
Don't care if I ever hear another word from Hendry
His opinion won’t count soon anyway.
I have PMS & a GPS -- which means -- I am a bitch, and I will find you.
by cub in louies nest on Jun 7, 2011 7:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It Just Doesn't Matter
Sure, Cincinnati has beaten us 16 of the last 19 times.
Sure, they’re terrific athletes.
They have the best equipment available.
Hell, every player they’re sending out there has his own personal masseuse.
Not masseur. Masseuse.
But it doesn’t matter.
Do you know that every Reds ballplayer has an electrocardiogram, blood and urine tests
every 48 hours, to see if there’s any change in his physical condition? Do you know that they use the most sophisticated training methods from the Soviet Union, East and West Germany and the newest Olympic power,Trinidad-Tobago?
But it doesn’t matter.
It just doesn’t matter!
I tell you, it just doesn’t matter!!
Even! Even if we win…
If we win! Ha!
Even if we play so far over our heads that our noses bleed for a week to ten days, even if God in heaven above comes down and points His hand at our side of the field, even if every man, woman and child held hands together and prayed for us to win, it just wouldn’t matter because all the really good-looking girls would still go out with a guy from Cincinnati ’cause they got all the chili!
It just doesn’t matter if we win or we lose!
IT JUST DOESN’T MATTER!
IT JUST DOESN’T MATTER!
IT JUST DOESN’T MATTER!
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How's the leg?
It’s okay. For now. But if you don’t win, we cut it off…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Jun 7, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Will the Cubs retire Todd Hundley's number
or are we going to keep #99 available for Trevor Gretzky?
Go profanity Cubs Go
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
It's Quade-ey!
Go Dempy and Garzy and Z-y and Marm-y and Cassie and Barney-ey and…
Ugh. Make it stop.
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oh god.......
I don't always block shots, but when I do....I block yours.
Kyle Korver is open as soon as he gets out of his car at the UC. -
Stacey King
Enough hate for Dougie D.
He’s my new favorite player, and he’s going to lead us to victory tonight.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
ok.....
I don't always block shots, but when I do....I block yours.
Kyle Korver is open as soon as he gets out of his car at the UC. -
Stacey King
It wasn't a "meh" it was an "ok". :)
I don't always block shots, but when I do....I block yours.
Kyle Korver is open as soon as he gets out of his car at the UC. -
Stacey King
:D
I don't always block shots, but when I do....I block yours.
Kyle Korver is open as soon as he gets out of his car at the UC. -
Stacey King
I'm so sick of seeing Dewitt in LF.
WE HAVE OUTFIELDERS ON THE ROSTER. USE THEM.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
except they all suck
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on Jun 7, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
correct
he just happens to suck the least
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on Jun 7, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Colvin 0-31...brutal.
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I haven't watched a Cubs game in almost a week.
I don’t miss it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 7, 2011 5:37 PM CDT reply actions
I was about to say I watched last night.
But then I remembered I didn’t.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
You're not alone
I haven’t watched in ummmmmmmm………….oh hell I forgot. I suffer from C.R.A.F.T. what can I say
BB was just on CTL.
He said that ST. Louis has had injuries too and he noticed when they called guys up they were in the line-up that night. He said we don’t do that and when it is obvious the guys who have been playing aren’t getting it done you need to give the call ups a chance. I really like Bob.
I don't always block shots, but when I do....I block yours.
Kyle Korver is open as soon as he gets out of his car at the UC. -
Stacey King
lol @ our next draft picks..celebritys!
We drafted Wayne Gretsky son and Shawn Dunston’s son lmao! Good stuff! Never heard of any of em but they are celebritys so they will prolly sell tix!maol
by bleedinblue76 on Jun 7, 2011 5:44 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
So is Gretzky's.
Oh, and in about two more years… expect to hear that Gary Fencik’s kid is up for the draft. He’s playing HS baseball in Chicago right now. He’s real good, too.
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Yeah Dunston was good two and expected to be the 2nd coming of Cubs baseball.
by bleedinblue76 on Jun 7, 2011 5:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Welp, send him back!
His Dad was a bust so he’s gonna suck!
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
trevor gretzky will be awesome!
flippity floppity floop
by jesus christos on Jun 7, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs are on??
Too bad – going to see a movie. Before my wife is off to Ireland FOR TWO WEEKS!! (kidding I like her, but she is going)
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
OH MY GAWD...
HOW WILL YOUR SOCKS GET CLEAN?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 7, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Profanity Jump
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I dunno... Is it so wrong
to be taking an almost childish delight in the current losing streak? Yes, I like anyone here, would most certainly perfer it be a winning streak. Yet, as that is apparently impossible, and the die seems cast, can’t we hope for enough horrendous play to force change in the current regime? It seems clear from the many, many negative posts here and on recent threads that even we, “The most loyal of loyal Cubs Fans” cannot or will not abide any more of this nonsense. The Hendry/Ricketts “magic-spell” appears to (finally) have been broken. For me, and I suspect for many of us, it appears to be nearly impossible to (actually) ignore the Cubs, good or unfathomably poor. It actually to an extent pains me to post like this…sorry…but it’s all I have left in the tank. In closing, I gotta think that even this season, is not enough to cost the right people (and I mean a-l-l of them) their positions.
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