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I don't know why the Cubs haven't been linked to Kazmir at all. We've had injuries to our rotation and are adding over-the-hill guys like Doug Davis, Rodrigo Lopez, and Ramon Ortiz for crying out loud. At least add a guy who once had incredible stuff and see if he could find it again. Ben Sheets should be worth a look to. I mean, why the heck not? Put these guys in Iowa and see if they can get their mojo back. Our rotation needs help now... and there a lot of question marks looking ahead to 2012. Give it a shot!

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Ben Sheets used to be my favorite pitcher.

The curveball was just sick.

I guess that’d be cool to bring either one in…Kazmir is from Texas so I’m not stunned that the Rangers gave him his first workout.

by SenorGato on Jul 1, 2011 10:53 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

The angle

that he put on his curveball was ridiculous.

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by Hammer on Jul 1, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably why he blew out his arm.

Still the best RH curve I’ve ever seen even over ’98 Wood, young Beckett, Strasburg, Morris, Kyle, Zito, and so on. When Sheets was throw 97 with that curveball…with his control…too bad it was only for a season plus.

by SenorGato on Jul 2, 2011 1:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

There were a bunch of nasty guys in our division in the Wood/Sheets era...

Wood, Prior, Sheets, Roy Oswalt, Wade Miller, (in his early Houston days). Amazing how many of them killed their arms. Hopefully Strasburg doesn’t follow the Prior/Sheets/Miller path into oblivion.

by SouthernCub on Jul 2, 2011 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wood was slightly more three quarters

but that completely changed the pitch. Both were (WERE) great

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by Hammer on Jul 2, 2011 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kudos to Matt Morris 2001-2002

Great stuff. Big curveball. Huge Curveball. Combatant of a lot of big hitters.

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by Hammer on Jul 2, 2011 3:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yea i liked Morris too.

Didn’t have sheets power, but that curve was sick.

Who could forget wade miller btw? I remember my Astros fan friend saying he had the best stuff on their staff for a little bit.

by SenorGato on Jul 2, 2011 11:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

If the Angels--a smarter organization top to bottom than the Cubs--released Kazmir, that's enough for me

to know he’s not going to provide a lot of value for any MLB team.

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by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2011 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

But what in the hell would be the problem with looking at him?

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jul 1, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing?

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by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs might not need to look

to know they aren’t interested. Kazmir was barely passable when he was just trying to get himself back together in the low minors this year. Something is clearly wrong.

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by Brett Taylor on Jul 1, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ortiz and Lopez are barely passable, and they are in their 30s.

Kazmir is lefthanded and 27. Why not take a flyer?

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by Al Yellon on Jul 1, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm curious as to what makes him different

from Gorz minus all the bs of a trade.

by SenorGato on Jul 2, 2011 1:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

velocity and performance...

Kazmir (in AAA): 15.1 IP, 22 H, 20 BB (2.739 WHIP), 29 ER (17.02 ERA), 14 K, 0.7 SO/BB. Awful. With steadily declining K rates which suggest he’s losing velocity.

Gorzellany (in MLB): 64.2 IP, 62 H, 22 BB, (1.299 WHIP), 30 ER, (4.18 ERA), 56 K, 2.5 K/BB. Mediocre, but a solid #4/5 guy.

Gorzeillany throws better stuff right now and gets better results against better competition.

by SouthernCub on Jul 2, 2011 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's kind of silly....

Kazmir is a reclamation project, who may have something seriously wrong with his arm, and may have to retire shortly. Kind of like when we signed BJ Ryan a few years back.

Gorzelanny is relatively successful in MLB this year.

I mean, they are both left-handed pitchers. Outside of that, I don’t see any aspect of their situations that are similar whatsoever, even in the abstract.

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by D98 on Jul 2, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well we haven't won one in almost 109 yrs

 So criticizing 1 of the best teams over the last decade or so just shows your lack of intelligence.

by cubsluver22 on Jul 1, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure that's how it works.

24 years ago the mets and royals weren’t jokes…now not so much.

by SenorGato on Jul 1, 2011 8:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Since were....

 The joke of the sports world and all of us are die hard fans…how can we criticize anyone else?

by cubsluver22 on Jul 1, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well not everybody's perfect.

I think Mike Scioscia’s managerial tree and track record is a lot more prestigious and respected than anybody within the Cubs’ organization.

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by dtpollitt on Jul 1, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed there...

I especially likes the old pitching coach bud black…

by SenorGato on Jul 1, 2011 1:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

You could be paying Kazmir instead of Ramon Ortiz

Now, which one has the better upside?

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by SackMan on Jul 1, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't you dare knock Ortiz.

He was the O in DOD, our trio of aces Hendry the Evil trapped in AAA. Now there are only two.

by SenorGato on Jul 1, 2011 11:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The real answer?

Neither. Kazmir has proven he can no longer throw strikes and Ortiz is….well…Ortiz. Neither one of them are worth a second look.

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by krummy12 on Jul 1, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah kazmir has a decade of youth on Ortiz...

and throws with the more valuable hand. Plus he was a better pitcher when he was good.

I mean if the cubs could save gorzellany’s career…

by SenorGato on Jul 1, 2011 1:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kazmir is 27.

Don’t you think he still has a chance to get back what he had at that age?

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by Al Yellon on Jul 1, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Emphatically no

Kazmir simply cannot pitch anymore. Sandy Koufax was really great once, and he has a better chance of reclaiming his past than Scott Kazmir.

We tend to forget the Cubs saw all they needed to see of any number of pitchers in Spring Training, Kazmir among them. No need for them to take another look. The reason Ramon Ortiz and until recently, Doug Davis are still in OB is that to one degree or another, they can still pitch. For whatever reason, Kazmir can’t.

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by BeerCub on Jul 1, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kazmir simply cannot pitch anymore.

How do you know this?

Maybe he is injured. Maybe he needs surgery. So sign him and do it. If it takes 18 months to recover, he’s still only 29.

It costs almost nothing to sign him to a minor league deal. If he’s working out for the Texas Rangers, why wouldn’t the Cubs be interested?

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by Al Yellon on Jul 1, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

How do I know this?

One, I’ve seen him pitch, two, I trust Mie Scioscia’s judgment implicitly when it comes to these kinds of things. Plus, the Angels ate $14.5M by cutting him. They do that, something ain’t right. No one presently employed by the Cubs has the wherewithal to work miracles:

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/15/sports/la-sp-0616-angels-fyi-20110616

Considered one of the game’s best young left-handers in 2007, when he was 13-9 with a 3.48 earned-run average and an American League-leading 239 strikeouts, Kazmir was 9-15 with a 5.94 ERA last season.

 The 27-year-old made one start for the Angels this season, giving up five runs and five hits, walking two and hitting two in 12/3 innings at Kansas City on April 3.

 The Angels put Kazmir on the disabled list because of lower-back tightness and sent him to extended spring training in Arizona for a month in hopes he would find a consistent delivery.

 But once he began a minor league rehabilitation assignment with triple-A Salt Lake, Kazmir deteriorated rapidly, going 0-5 with a 17.02 ERA in five starts, giving up 22 hits in 151/3 innings. He walked 20, struck out 14 and hit six.

 Not only did Kazmir lose considerable velocity on his fastball, which used to hit 94 mph, he lost command of all of his pitches. In one start, he threw three pitches behind the backs of right-handed hitters.

 “I’m stunned, because I remember how good he was,” Angels pitcher Dan Haren said. "I think some of it was mental, because physically, he’s in great shape. The obvious thing is the drop in velocity, but with age, most pitchers lose velocity.

 “It’s a matter of learning how to pitch with less. Whether it was him not accepting he doesn’t throw hard any more or still trying to figure out how to pitch at 88 mph, it never came together for him.”

 Reagins and former Angels GM Bill Stoneman were in Salt Lake for Kazmir’s last start Tuesday, when he was tagged for six runs and five hits in 12/3 innings.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jul 1, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think about that-

Behind the backs of RIGHT handed hitters, not left. There’s something really wrong.

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by BeerCub on Jul 1, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

Like I said, there is zero risk here. Sign him, find out what’s wrong. If you can’t fix it, release him.

This would be like the B.J. Ryan signing a couple years ago. The Cubs signed him, he pitched at Iowa, he was no good, they let him go. Zero risk and few dollars.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 1, 2011 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but

Using B.J. Ryan would work better as support for your argument had he actually panned out.

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by BeerCub on Jul 1, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not the point.

the Cubs didn’t have to give up anything to get him. Same with Kazmir.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 2, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

The point was, the risk was worth taking. Same in this case.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 2, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, they should run you, me and Al out there then....

…. because we stand just as good a chance as Kazmir does anymore.

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by BeerCub on Jul 2, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Kazmir were 33, 34, 35 years old, I'd agree.

But he is 27. I have to believe he can be rehabbed into a useful MLB starter, even if it takes a year.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 2, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Plus, we've tried to rehab guys inthe past.

BJ Ryan and Wade Miller didn’t work out… but Ryan Dempster sure turned out great for us.

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by SackMan on Jul 2, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

So did that gorzellany guy

with the physical problems around kazmirs age.

If they could save that guys career…

by SenorGato on Jul 2, 2011 11:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kazmir used to be a top of the rotation guy.

And he was probably better than anyone we have now. He’s only 27, who’s to say that if he gets his mind set, he can’t do what he used to do?

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 2, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe we should sign him and turn him into a power hitting outfielder

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jul 1, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

cool

Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land

by jesus christos on Jul 1, 2011 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

if we

still had larry i might take a chance. but not with riggins. the guy looks lost as a big league pitching coach.

by NOMAR on Jul 2, 2011 7:20 AM CDT reply actions  

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