Chicago Cubs 2011 Midseason Grades
The photo at the top of this post, I think, sums up the first half of the 2011 Cubs season perfectly.
The All-Star Game is over; thankfully, Starlin Castro did not get hurt in playing (always the biggest worry for any Cubs player). He stole two bases -- the first time anyone has had two SB in an ASG since Kenny Lofton in 1996 -- struck out batting, and made a throwing error. He does still need to work on his defense. But now, let's move on to examining the Cubs' season so far.
Since the team-loss-record-tying 1966 season, this is the third-worst mark any Cubs team has had at the All-Star break. The 2006 Cubs -- who lost 96 games -- were 20 games under at the break, and the 1982 Cubs were 17 under, before playing 37-36 ball in the second half to avoid 90 losses at 73-89.
This team doesn't seem capable of finishing the year with that sort of mark. But then again, last year's team didn't look like it could go 24-13 to finish the season when Mike Quade took over from Lou Piniella. Quade's managerial record, one of the reasons he was hired full-time, is now 61-68.
After the jump, letter grades for all of the key performers on the 2011 Cubs. Warning: many of them aren't pretty.
Geovany Soto: C- Once again, Geo has spent time on the disabled list this year and hasn't hit much when he's been playing. His 96 OPS+ seems high, actually, for the performance he's given. And his OPS in July -- .596 -- is bad.
Carlos Pena: C Really, Pena has been exactly as advertised when he was signed: low batting average, lots of walks, and some power. His .801 OPS translates to a 116 OPS+, which is decent. Since May 1 he's hitting .244/.354/.543 with 19 HR in 64 games. I expect him to wind up with over 30 HR and an OPS of .850 or more. He's also played excellent defense.
Darwin Barney: C Barney started out strong, but also spent time on the DL. He's hitting .306, but with no power and little OBA value past the BA. His defense is also solid, but he may be better suited to being a utility guy.
Starlin Castro: B+ I wish I could give Castro an A or even A-, but his defense still needs quite a bit of work. He'd probably be hitting even better than he is now if his manager would use him in the lineup spots to which he's best suited -- first or second. But this isn't news to you. Congrats to him on his All-Star appearance; let it be the first of many.
Aramis Ramirez: C+ A-Ram looked disinterested for two months, then turned it on in June and July and is on a tremendous hot streak. Over his last 17 games (16 starts) he's hitting .365/.414/.873 with 10 HR and 18 RBI. Keep that up and it just might be worth the Cubs keeping him (though at a lower price after paying his buyout).
Alfonso Soriano: C Soriano-bashers love to bring up his contract, which is, obviously, way too large. As has been said many times, if the Cubs had won the World Series in the first 2-3 years of that deal, we wouldn't care (at least, I wouldn't). His production is about the same as it was last year -- 111 OPS+, compared to 112 in 2010. He's walked a few less times than he has the past couple of years. We're probably stuck with him.
Marlon Byrd: Incomplete Byrd spent more than a month on the DL after the horrifying HBP in Boston. His 103 OPS+ is exactly what it was for the full season of 2010. He still plays hard and with a smile on his face. That's worth something; it may be that Byrd will be dealt before July 31.
Kosuke Fukudome: C- Fukudome is maddening. He'll have a hot streak where you think maybe he's finally figured things out -- from April 20 to May 13, for example, he hit .371/.458/.435 -- but then you look closer and realize he had just one RBI in that 18-game stretch. He still plays good defense, but his arm doesn't appear as strong or accurate as it once was. I think we'll all be glad when his contract expires at the end of this year. I'd take him back at a much lower cost -- he's not a bad platoon outfielder. But at $14 million a year -- no way.
Koyie Hill: D+ He's actually been somewhat productive at the plate; his .613 OPS isn't terrible for a backup catcher. But a lot of you are going to say he's useless anyway, so whatever I say will fall on deaf ears.
Jeff Baker: C+ Baker also spent some time on the DL. He absolutely pounds lefthanded pitching: .380/.397/.535 in 73 PA. He can play multiple positions. There may be a number of teams after him at the trade deadline. As a relatively inexpensive utility player, it may be worth keeping him rather than getting a marginal prospect in return (and that's all you'd get).
Reed Johnson: B Reed's had a real nice year as a backup/platoon/injury replacement outfielder. Like just about everyone else, he's been on the DL, but has been productive when active. He's played great defense and has a walkoff home run this season. I'd keep him around -- he'd be a useful veteran presence on a (presumably) younger 2012 Cubs team.
Blake DeWitt: D+ Would have been lower, but I give him major props for that three-run homer against the Nationals that helped solidify that comeback last week in Washington. Otherwise... I could see him being non-tendered this offseason.
Tony Campana: D He can run real fast. And he can usually catch up to fly balls that other outfielders can't. Otherwise, he really doesn't belong in the major leagues. Fun to watch, but...
Ryan Dempster: C Dempster really should be given two grades: an F for April, and a B+ for the rest of the time since then. Since May 1 he has made 13 starts. Although his personal record is only 5-3 in that time, the Cubs are 10-3 in those 13 outings and Dempster has posted a 3.25 ERA and 1.269 WHIP, very respectable numbers. He's not a No. 1 starter, but he's throwing well enough that his overall season numbers should look decent.
Carlos Zambrano: C- Big Z has spent time on the DL, and will be back on Saturday, having missed a pair of starts. He's been maddening this year -- he's got seven starts in which he's thrown at least seven innings and looked solid in all of them, but has been pretty mediocre in the rest of the outings. What we can hope for is a second half like he had last year, but of course, who knows what you're going to get with Big Z? At least there have been no blowups this season.
Matt Garza: C- Like Zambrano, Garza has been maddeningly inconsistent and also spent some time on the DL (though he balked at going). His start against the White Sox on July 2 was magnificent. Then he stunk out the joint in Washington in his next following start. Also, his defense is atrocious -- his five errors lead all MLB pitchers and have led to him allowing nine unearned runs, a huge number for half a season for one pitcher.
Randy Wells: D- I have to believe Wells is still hurt in some way. He just hasn't been anything close to the same pitcher he was even last year, and that wasn't as good as the year before. Since he returned from the DL, only one of his eight starts, on June 14 vs. the Brewers, was even decent.
Casey Coleman: D- I include Coleman because he's made as many MLB starts as Wells this year -- nine. He's been bad, and that's after being pretty decent in eight starts late in 2010. I still think Coleman can be a capable No. 5 MLB starter, if he can learn to locate, because his stuff isn't good enough by itself to win.
Jeff Samardzija: C- Sometimes Shark looks real good, like he's figured things out and can change speeds and throw three pitches for strikes. And then other times... he just walks everyone in sight. Maybe he's figured it out -- in six appearances in July covering 6.1 innings, he's walked only one and allowed no earned runs. Keep that up, and he can be a useful MLB setup man.
James Russell: F for starting, A- for relieving As a starter: five games, 18.1 innings, 32 hits, five walks, 10 strikeouts, 2.018 WHIP, 9.33 ERA. As a reliever: 30 games, 30.2 innings, 21 hits, five walks, 20 strikeouts, 0.848 WHIP, 1.47 ERA. Russell has become a very effective LOOGY/middle reliever. If you look at those numbers, why would you ever use a guy like that as a starter? That's his manager's fault. Russell will be a useful part of the Cubs bullpen for the next several years.
Sean Marshall: B+ Marshall was being discussed as an All-Star possibility before he had a few bad outings in June and early July -- the 0.95 ERA up to mid-June has ballooned to 2.47 (6.59 ERA in 14 games since June 11). Still, Marshall's one of the most solid guys on the team. Some here, I know, have discussed the idea of making him a starter again. For 2012? Maybe. Worth discussing, anyway.
John Grabow: F Bad. Just bad. I admit, this was a bad signing and I'll be glad when his deal is up.
Kerry Wood: C+ For all the bitching about Wood's performance, he hasn't been all that bad this year. What you remember, most likely, is the four blown saves and a couple of other games he lost when he was put into tie games and gave up the lead. I don't see any drop in his velocity; sometimes his pitches just don't work. Let's see what happens with him in the second half before we completely give up on him.
Carlos Marmol: B Sometimes his stuff looks electric, like it has in the past. And other times... he looks just unbelievably hittable. Last year, of the 332 batters he faced, only 134 put the ball in play, either getting hits or making outs. The rest were either walked, hit by a pitch or struck out. That's only 40.3%. This year, so far, that percentage is 56.4 -- many more hitters are able to at least put Marmol's pitches in play. It might not be a bad idea to try to deal him in the offseason for starting pitching. You could try Chris Carpenter at closer -- he's got the stuff to do it, just has to harness his command.
Chris Carpenter: C+ Speaking of Carpenter, he's got a real live fastball that occasionally touches 100 MPH. If he can harness his command, he's definitely closer material. He'll be a useful setup/middle relief guy the rest of the year. I like his potential a lot.
DJ LeMahieu: Incomplete Didn't really play enough to give a letter grade, but does show some promise both offensively and defensively.
Andrew Cashner: Incomplete Let's hope he comes back.
Tyler Colvin: Incomplete I have no idea what happened to him after last year's promise.
Mike Quade, Manager: D- Quade's inexplicable lineup selections, failed strategies and inexperienced coaching staff have all helped lead to this bad record over the first half of 2011. I don't know if anyone could have done much better with this group. I do know it would have been difficult for anyone to do worse.
I trust you don't need to hear any more about the following players, all of whom have been in at least one game for the 2011 Cubs: Lou Montanez, Welington Castillo, Brad Snyder, Doug Davis, Rodrigo Lopez, Ramon Ortiz, Jeff Stevens, Justin Berg, Marcos Mateo and Scott Maine.
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by ubercubsfan on Jul 13, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed!
One could look at those grades and conclude that this is an average team with about a C grade average per player. At this point the Cubs have the second worst record in the major leagues. If that’s not an F then I don’t know what is.
by hctiMSpelledBackwards on Jul 13, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
DeWitt will NEVER be non tendered as long as Quade is here!
I cant wait until BJax is brought up this season to watch Soriano and DeWitt play!!!
DeWitt will NEVER be non tendered as long as Quade is here!
Don’t be so sure.
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I agree with you that managers shouldn't have "pet" players.
Tony LaRussa doesn’t manage that way. Say what you want about TLR, but he consistently has his teams in the postseason.
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by Al Yellon on Jul 13, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's because he teaches and enforces winning baseball.
And if guys don’t listen, he puts them in the dog house and/or gets rid of them.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
by SackMan on Jul 13, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Plus, of course, he's always steps ahead in the chess match of the game.
Whereas our current manager is seemingly reacting to the action.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
by SackMan on Jul 13, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Correct again.
Really, I am surprised at how incompetent Quade appears to be. He didn’t seem this way last year.
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by Al Yellon on Jul 13, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Last year...
..was abscent two things; pressure and expectations, because it was garbage time.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jul 13, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, although...
… the Cubs did play several contending teams (Cardinals, Giants, Padres) and played them tough.
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correct...
…but here is the key; the were no expectations or pressure on the Cubs to do anything. When that is the case, it is much easier to play loose and free. Pressure is not usually created by who you are playing, it is created from within depending on expectations that have to be met.
As stated below, the abscense of two experienced coaches (IMO) has an already over his head Quade out on an island on his own. Giving Quade two key coaching positions with no experience was a real dumb thing to do.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jul 13, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed 100% on the coaching staff.
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by Al Yellon on Jul 13, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and he had Trammell and Rothschild....
by epsilon on Jul 13, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's a valid point...
… having experienced coaches. This is a minor-league coaching staff.
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by Al Yellon on Jul 13, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I miss Trammell
How long is Castro going to continue to show piss poor footwork on throws to 1B??
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Without Pena...
…Castro would have a zillion throwing errors by now.
A guy like Fielder may increase your offensive production at first, but as long as Castro is at short, there will be many a throw he won’t be able to suck up that Pena currently is.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
He still had Rothschild
I think that makes a bigger difference than most people think
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
He reacts pretty slowly too, sometimes not even at all.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
LaRuss also has that annying advantage of having a GM that can construct a roster of useful baseball players.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Right, but....
…. this year he’s had all kinds of injury issues, had to use a lot of minor leaguers, and still wins.
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Thanks for proving my point.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Quade
won’t be here for long. I’d be surprised if he lasts the season.
by Clark Addison on Jul 13, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Surprise!
There is absolutely NO WAY Hendry fires him, unless it’s for non-baseball issues. He’s not going to get a fourth hire.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 13, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta love Hendry
He is the guy rowing the rescue boat away from the rest of the survivors to ensure his survival.
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
That's a pretty perfect analogy
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 13, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you Hendry
but likely the same thing.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 13, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Obviously I know you won't please everybody with these grades Al
I thought a few of them were a bit harsh, and I thought Marmol’s was a tad generous. My two cents.
We'll all miss you Ron.
Which ones, TJ?
Seriously. If you’ve got something, turn off the performance art for a moment and let’s hear some of them.
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Soriano for one.....He has been cold for how long now? When was the last time you saw him run real hard to 1b?
He plays LF like a retired ball player at an old timers game.
I think Campana is a little low…He has done what is asked of him..He is a 5th OF…
Johnson, Barney, and Baker could be a little higher.
I also think Dempster could be lower, when the 2 others got hurt, that is when an Ace takes it up a notch…this did not happen…actually Z did the job that Dempster could not.
I agree with Pena, Castro, Grabow and especially Russell…..
Fair enough.
I didn’t think I’d agree with everyone here.
Dempster, in fact, HAS had a better season since April. Otherwise he’d have a D- or lower.
Campana, I ranked low because he really doesn’t have MLB skills except for speed.
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And even with his speed, he makes some mental mistakes on the bases.
The mistakes usually go unnoticed, because he’s rarely thrown out anywhere. But, there are many times when he could’ve advanced 90 feet, but hesitated to go.
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The whole damn pitching staff for starters
there isn’t one pitcher on that staff besides Marshall (at times) that deserves anything more than a D. The pitching has completely failed this team, very few if any deserve a passing grade.
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by troutfishin on Jul 13, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that's an overreaction.
Garza has been great at times, and at least deserves a C, Marmol is exactly what he’s been over the years, wildly inconsistent, but amazing at times, Russell has sucked as a starter, but that’s not really his fault, it’s Quades, and he’s been great out of the pen, Wood is just Wood, and I love him, Shark has looked the best he’s ever looked, Z has been decent, Demp has been great since April, and Carp is unhittable at times.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Garza has been inconsistent at best and a near no hitter does not a season...
….make. Wood has been wildly inconsistent and his ability to strand inherited runners is not very good, Dempster as a whole has sucked there is no way around that, Z has been inconsistent, Marmol has lost his slider, Wells has sucked,
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by troutfishin on Jul 13, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes Wells has sucked, but everyone else deserves an average...
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Statisically speaking our best starter this year would be a third starter...
…on most teams. Don’t ever overestimate the value of a good pitching coach.
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by troutfishin on Jul 13, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm
I just made a comment above about Rothschild being undervalued. It sounds like you agree?
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Oh yes, after seeing Riggins it opens your eyes to the importance....
…of a guy like Rothschild.
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
I should say that I do agree with most to start with.
I’d give Marmol a C. He has looked real iffy at times and what it all boils down to as a closer is that he’s below 80% on converting save opportunities.
The harsh ones I thought were Peña, Barney, Garza, Koyie, and DeWitt too. Most of those I don’t think they were egregiously off or anything, just maybe a letter. I know I’ll get mauled by saying Koyie and DeWitt, but they’re both backup guys that have been okay in my opinion. For a backup catcher, Koyie really isn’t terrible, the Koyie hate is way overblown. I’d give Koyie and DeWitt both C-. Oh, and for Peña, he’s hitting HRs like we all hoped, and he’s hitting for much more average than anyone expected, not to mention all the times he’s save Castro.
We'll all miss you Ron.
Then you would give Quade an F
Team performance is D, D- at best. If the players get C’s, then the manager/coaching staff must be putting in an F quality job.
I never said everybody gets C's
I think there are quite a few D’s and there are several C-‘s. Also, 13 (I think that’s the number) DL stints don’t really factor into grades.
We'll all miss you Ron.
re: DeWitt
You can’t say “he’s an okay bench guy” about a player who offers nothing defensively at 2B, 3B and LF, cannot play SS, and posts a 76 OPS+. That’s 2009 Aaron Miles.
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 13, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree about Soto's grade....But it does seem that his defense has improved and is on par with Hill's....So why is Hill here now?
Because The Cubs dont like Castillo and they LOVE Hill….
Or giving him regular at bats
You know, like every other position player who can’t immediately supplant a starter?
Or are you claiming we make Castillo a starter now and bench Soto?
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by NobodySpecial on Jul 13, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He should have been starting last year and this year when Soto was hurt...now its a year later and they really still do not know what he can do....
Its more important to play Hill I guess…..Big part of the future of a losing team!
It's sad that I don't know whether this is sarcasm or not.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
In fact
Hill’s D is atrocious now, while Soto’s is better than average, particularly on balls in the dirt. Soto also seems to call a nice game now, too.
Not to pick Al apart, but the assertion that Hill’s O is OK for a back-up would seem like low expectations.
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by ForTheLoveOfBiitner on Jul 14, 2011 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
These are mostly right on...
But are they graded on a curve? You give Johnson a B for a 0.5 WAR season and Byrd an incomplete for his 1.5 WAR. Seems like both players are playing up to expectations.
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They're not graded strictly on numbers.
Byrd, IMO, is below expectations (despite the WAR number) and missed a lot of time.
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And Byrd's actual production
has been virtually non-existent when he has played. Incomplete sounds about right, in more ways than one.
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by Brett Taylor on Jul 13, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Byrd is a great hitter when nobody is on base, but seemingly can't hit with anyone on.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I was wishing Starlin had done something special on his slide at home plate
Like a stutter slide step and juke that would’ve gotten oooh’s and aaah’s.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
How 'bout a triple somersault in the air, missing the tag, and then sticking the landing on home plate.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
You have my vote
To coach the 2012 Cubs. How does that make you feel?
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Don't forget...
The all-star game DOES mean something!
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
wow, these are some punishing grades
I think Barney deserves more than a C, though his defense has been shaky. I’d probably give Ramirez, Baker and Fukudome a B- each. Fukudome has actually held up better than any prior year, and has been one of the more stable presence’s in the lineup.
I have not been as impressed as you with Pena’s defense. He’s a shadow of Derek Lee.
Barney's defense is far better than his offense.
I’m not sure what Carlos Pena you’re looking at, but he is very, very good in the field.
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by Al Yellon on Jul 13, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If there is...
…a better defensive 1st baseman in baseball, I’d like to know who it is.
Without Pena sucking everything up at 1st, Castro would have a lot more errors at this point.
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by MPH73 on Jul 13, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
A-Gon
is better than Pena. Probably a few others as well. But Pena is definately top 5 at the position, IMO.
What? What about 2009?
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What in the world?
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by Unique on Jul 13, 2011 6:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
TJ
Do you realize that by saying this, you are complimenting a current member of the 2011 Chicago Cubs?
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Yes, I believe DLee, while a very good 1b, had lost a step the last couple years...
Pena is a very good 1b…..Why deny it.
Now in his prime…I think Lee was slightly better. Pena is just better now.
And you're being WAAAAAY too kind, except to Pena.
Barney is a nice little bench player, but other than a high BA, none of his other offensive numbers would be on par with a starting player.
Ramirez was AWFUL for two months. That alone earns him his grade.
Dome has been mediocre at best all season, except for April. He put up a decent batting average in July….so far, but his OBP hasn’t been all that great since May and he’s still showing no power.
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 13, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Barney's offensive numbers
are above average for NL 2nd basemen. His RISP is outstanding. His defense is very good and he seldom makes mental mistakes. Sure, he isn’t an All Star, but he’s one of the best starters we have. We can easily live with him at 2B.
If it wasn't for the injuries, we'd be printing WS tickets right now.
but he’s one of the best starters we have.
that isnt saying much
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 13, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, we can live with his as the starter
when we aren’t trying to contend. Barney is a starter on a bad team. He might even be a starter if there were top notch players on the rest of the diamond, but if Darwin Barney is one of the best players you have, that’s a problem. It also doesn’t mean he’s a stud.
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 13, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I know he isn't a stud
but he’s a very serviceable piece of the puzzle. As you said, the other pieces aren’t capable of providing enough bang for the bucks and therein lies the real problem.
If it wasn't for the injuries, we'd be printing WS tickets right now.
Agreed on Dome.
Since you seem to focus on WAR so much in this, Dome is 5th in the MLB in defensive WAR.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Could you elaborate on this?
For right fielders, or everyone?
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all of MLB
behind gardner, span, tulo, aaaand ONEDEC
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 13, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I will say this about hitting.
Hot streaks are what every player goes through….and some not so hot. It is unrealistic to think a player will hit for the same %‘s for six months. Aramis will never keep up this pace and Fuk will go through more ups and downs. I just can’t get too far down on a player when he is in a cold streak or too high on them during a hot streak. You have to look at their body of work and it is up to the.manager to find those times when to sit a little more and when to ride the streak.
Fuk is a streaky hitter. Soriano is too. It’s just baseball, at the end of the season you hope the hot streaks are long and the cold streaks are short.
Barney has been a pleasant surprise to me. Good guy, good glove and clutch late in the game. I would grade him higher because I think he has a good upside for this team. Hitting .300 is not easy any more in this pitcher dominated time.
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by mrcubsfan on Jul 13, 2011 9:32 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Too tough and too lenient
How do Pena and Sori both get a C? Pena is great defensively one of two patient hitters on the team and has gotten his power stroke. Gets a B from me
Sori can’t field or run and is a streaky hitter. D
Quade gets an F+ . He does not get a full F as I will cut him some slack for being new
and remembering players names.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
Albeit nick names .....
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by mrcubsfan on Jul 13, 2011 9:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I was going to say
Does it count as remembering names if you don’t actually use any of them?
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by Brett Taylor on Jul 13, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I still give some credit on the names
beats “son” “kid” and “stevie”
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 13, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Is the + just because he is not Lou?
Because last year, you wanted anybody but Lou. I didn’t expect that to last very long, either.
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I've given my kudos to James Russell before.
The kid was thrown into a position to fail, a common theme around these parts. But, he didn’t say a word… did what he was asked to do, and kept going.
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by SackMan on Jul 13, 2011 9:36 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Russell has been very good in relief.
He needs to stay in that role.
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correct
everytime a starter goes down, dont you have the feeling the name Russell pops into Quade’s head for a second?
Unfortunately, yes.
Quade is misinformed. Russell cannot start at the major league level. He was bad at it in the minors. He’s good at relieving. This ought to be a no-brainer.
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Where is the pitching coach in this?
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Salt in our wounds.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I definitely feel that Carpenter will make a very positive impact in the future.
He just has to mature. Hopefully we get a coach in place to can nurture young arms. I’m not convinced our current pitching coach should even be here.
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For all those who bitched about Larry Rothschild...
… you see the results now that he’s gone. Would love to have him back.
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Honest question...
why did people hate Larry Rothschild so much? i never understood that…he was effective as a pitching coach, even the stuff like going to the mound when his pitcher needed a breather or a head check. I’ve seen Riggins out of the dugout just a few times. what was it about larry that just pissed people off?
I think people made him the goat for major injuries we had.
I can’t think of any other reason why people would dislike him. The guy is one of the best in the biz.
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Did someone call me?
What the ?!?
by kerry wood's hot tub on Jul 13, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I was leary of him...
…because of the Cubs long track record of either leading the league in walks or being very near the top. It was clear, some pitchers tried to nibble too much that didn’t have the command to do it, and the walks piled up. When Piniella came onboard, he immediately said “he hated walks” and you saw his influence trickle down to Larry.
Rothschild has a good reputation in the game and maybe he learned something the few years he spent with Lou. Also, when he has pitchers who are capable of better command, it also makes him look better. I would agree, that having a lifetime minor league guy instead of Larry, was a huge step down.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
The nibbling was a common complaint
But for all the walks, we also consistently finished in the top 5 for strikeouts and quality starts, and the back half of our rotation got us a lot of Ws in our best seasons.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Point taken...
…on the k’s, but in the end, clubs that are near the top in walks given up, usually don’t fair very well.
I really do think Larry was positively influenced from his time with Piniella and Lou’s desire to lower the walk totals.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
It's all in the past now.
And it’s going to take an extraordinary effort to improve the team going forward.
Not only do we need to acquire starting pitching… but we need to acquire a real pitching coach.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Most importantly...
…what will it take to achieve what you mentioned above?
IMO, it will require a smart GM with a solid vision for both the long and short term.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Whoever the GM is...
He’s going to have to put together a winning coaching staff, and make some shrewd moves to land us front line pitching. That should be the beginning of the plan. Coaching and pitching.
We can spend $ in FA on bats if needed.
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I should add... this is why I approved of the Garza trade.
There are no top line starters available in FA this off-season. So, Hendry got bold and made the Garza deal, in anticipation of the weak market.
Now, we need to find an ace somehow. Lots of rumors surrounding the Reds and Rockies for Ubaldo Jimenez. I have no idea why the Rockies would deal him, at such an affordable contract. But, those are the rumors, and that’s the type of trade we should use prospects for.
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CJ WIlson is darn good
Whether he’s a #1 is debatable, but he’s certainly a #2.
I wouldn’t mind exploring the Cole Hamels possibility too. While I think he will stay in Philadelphia, it won’t be easy for them to make it happen considering they are at $172M payroll for this year and Halladay and Lee are signed for a while. Certainly, Hamels would be a priority over Oswalt. Hamels is arb eligible after this season and a full FA after the 2012 season.
As for Jimenez, I’m not sure if the Rox are confident in the consistency and health of Jimenez to the extent that they are willing to pay him what he might be able to command.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 13, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
The Rockies have him in control through 2013
With an $8MM club option for 2014. If he’s traded, the club option is voided for the new team.
I’m not big on CJ Wilson, since you’re going to have to overpay for him in a weak market for starting pitching. If the Cubs are gonna lay some huge $ on the table, it better be for a Ace quality pitcher, because they don’t have one, and sorely need one.
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I didn't know Jimenez was under their control for that long
I still think they might be thinking that he’s at peak value right now and is only going to go down from here on out. I’d be willing perhaps to take the risk that he isn’t as long as the Cubs could be convinced that he really is healthy.
If you’re looking or FA to get that pitcher, WIlson is the only one that is close for 2012. 2013 could be interesting with Cain, Danks, Shields, Greinke, Haren, Liriano, and Anibal Sanchez potentially being out there.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 13, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Off the bat
I’d rule Greinke out, because he has anxiety issues and prefers to play in a smaller market. And, I don’t think Cain will reach FA. He’s been extended twice already by the Giants. If he stays healthy, he’ll probably be extended again…. one of those guys who’s happy where he is.
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CJ Wilson is 30.
I guaruntee if we sign him to a multi-year deal, people will be complaining about it in the 2nd/3rd year.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
People will complain before the ink is dry on the signature
There’s no way to avoid any of it. Sadly, it’s what we have to deal with. Complainers complain.
Just look at the complainers around here. There’s nothing to be done right now, but the same stale complaints come every single day as if every day they are new. The complaints happened when Ramirez and Pena were struggling because they signed a big contract.
It’s small minded people writing small minded things and they should be avoided like potholes in the road.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 13, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't fault him for his sense of timing...
by daily2b on Jul 13, 2011 10:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Another honest question is
why did Jim allow him to leave FOR NOTHING?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 13, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a good question, actually
They were right not to stand in his way, but they could have asked for some sort of compensation from the Yankees. Maybe they feel it’s better not to, to be seen as more employee-friendly?
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 13, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I really hope it wasn't to appear more "employee" friendly
because that’s an asinine reason to tank your coaching staff. Though I can’t imagine what other reasons there would be. Coaches leave for other jobs all the time, I get that, but generally, in professional sports, there is some kind of compensation.
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 13, 2011 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Um, no.
We’ve been over this a lot on this site. That’s a myth. Please, let’s not start this again.
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Its done and over
So I’m just bitter. He could be our guy. How did our scouts not see that?
In my lifetime please!
wow
you didnt google it did you – maybe do a site search for Josh Hamilton and you will see why you are waaaaaaay off base
Sigh.
I guess I have to repeat all of this for the newbies.
NO ONE scouted Hamilton. He had been out of baseball for several years, and selected as a favor to the Reds — teams do this all the time in the Rule 5 draft. The Reds were the only team who could handle him at the time, because they had Johnny Narron, a personal friend of the Hamilton family and brother of then-Reds manager Jerry Narron, as a quasi-coach to keep an eye on Hamilton so he didn’t relapse.
Hamilton was never going to be a Cub. The Cubs did not scout him. NO ONE would have thought he could make an immediate major league impact the way he did.
Please, let this be the last “We let Josh Hamilton go” post on this site. Ever.
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And add that it was the first year of the Piniella era.
There was no way that the Cubs who were expecting to compete that year would gamble with someone with Hamilton’s past. The Reds finished 72-90.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
He wasn't out of baseball. He was playing for TB's A-ball affiliate.
Any way you slice it, he was on the board and we were not interested in making a pick. We sold our pick to the Reds, who had a bit of an inside track on Hamilton’s recovery being legit due to Narron’s brother’s relationship with Josh.
It’s tough to fault the Cubs for passing on him- the guy was an addict on Lou’s team. But let’s not lie to ourselves – if we had wanted to take the chance, we could have drafted him for ourselves.
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So could several other teams.
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Not several. One.
First pick was Tampa. Can’t select your own player.
Second pick was KC, Joakim Soria.
Third pick was us, sold to Cincy for $100k or whatever.
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Not only that
- The Cubs were robbed of home field advantage in 1984!
- Mrs. O’Leary’s cow started the fire!
- We never landed on the moon!
- Dinosaurs never existed!
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 13, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll!
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
Dating yourself, Daver
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Oh, and the U.S. blew up both towers...don't forget thst one.
With the 1st pick in the 2012 Baseball Amateur Draft, the Chicago Cubs select...
Um...
… that wasn’t a good example, because it could lead to political comments. Don’t start, please.
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No.
That’s a myth.
The Cubs did NOT lose home field in the 1984 NLCS. In that era, the divisions rotated home field, just as the leagues did in the WS.
The NL East champion Phillies had home field in 1983 — so the NL West champion was scheduled to have it in 1984.
The Cubs WOULD have lost home field in the World Series. But they lost the LCS, in which they were NEVER scheduled to have home field.
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I like the way that you think
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
I was among his proudest supporters.
You can’t argue with his track of success in the major leagues, and more specifically… his success with the Cubs. We were consistently at, or near, the top in key pitching categories year after year.
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Right.
Rothschild always got too much blame when things went wrong, not enough credit when they went right.
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by Al Yellon on Jul 13, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I miss Rohtschild a lot
One of the key things this organization needs to concentrate on this off season is improving the coaching staff. That would include a 3b coach, pitching coach and bench coach. Jaramillo has another year on his deal (I think) and I don’t see a reason why he shouldn’t be able to serve out that year.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 13, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Jaramillo has been a huge disappointment to me.
This Cubs offense is one of the worst in recent years.
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A hacker teaching hackers.
Nothing to learn or improve upon. Not the current trend in hitting.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 13, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
As Ricketts would say...
…paying that much dough (for that long) for a hitting coach “is fools gold”.
Hitting is such a personal thing, you could interchange hitting coaches from team to team each year and it wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference.
The value of hitting coaches is much greater at the minor league level when players are young and more willing to listen and they are more capable of making positive changes. At the big league level, most of what a hitting coach says goes in one ear and out the other.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I've been disappointed in him too
I just don’t see the need to have him replaced with time remaining on his contract. I’d let him walk after it is done though.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 13, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
In terms of Ops and runs
we’re 7th and 8th, middle of the league. Our real problem is pitching, which is giving up 4.99 R/g, only better that the Astros 5.04. And the real crisis this year has been the total failure of any starter other than Z, Garza ans Demp. If we had even representative pitching from the botom of the rotation, we would be close to a .500 team. Add to that our terrible fielding and the results speak for themselves. Jaramillo is tthe least of our problems.
If it wasn't for the injuries, we'd be printing WS tickets right now.
Are you trying to introduce logic to this argument?
Unfair, dude.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Please consider me appropriately rebuked.
If it wasn't for the injuries, we'd be printing WS tickets right now.
We need a hitting coach to teach patience, not hack at everything you see.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd take Campana over Sori any day....
Sori gets the occasional dramatic hit or home run, usually with bases empty, but in between he allows far too many easy fly balls to drop or get by. His defensive lapses allow more run production from the other team than does his hitting production for us. If you calculate the extra base hits and fly balls that Campana takes away from the other team and the extra bases he gets that Sori doesn’t, I believe overall production is greater for Campana. Any hits that Campana gets are a bonus.
by txtom on Jul 13, 2011 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The game is won 90 feet at a time.
And at this stage of his career, Soriano allows more bases than he produces.
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You're both either vastly underrating Soriano's defense or overrating league-average defense from LF
Soriano’s a terrible defender, there’s no doubt of that, but we’re talking about a position manned by Carlos Lee, Ryan Braun, Delmon Young, Johnny Gomes, and Raul Ibanez. 4 of those guys are on contending teams, so you can’t even pretend it only happens on bad teams like the Astros.
Soriano allows more bases than he produces.
This is a pretty ridiculous thing to say. Last year, Soriano had 180 balls hit into his zone. He made plays on 167 of them. Meanwhile, he had 246 total bases. He’d have to be giving up a lot of inside-the-park home runs to be coming close to supporting your claim.
by Wreckard on Jul 13, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
It was an exaggeration
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Late inning defensive replacement or pinch runner, yes.
His (Campana’s) offense is pretty minimal. The two things he can do are run, and as a consequence of that, get to fly balls.
Soriano is done. His legs are flat-out gone. For an outfielder, that’s pretty much it. Problem is, we’re stuck with him for a while longer because of that insane contract.
I just don’t see Campana as a long-term solution to Soriano – or much of a short-term solution, for that matter, beyond those two roles.
Is he the best replacement? No...
Would I rather watch someone who provides some excitement and hustle? Yes!
Campana is very much like Fuld….And Joe Maddon-a very good manager……Plays him almost everyday in LF……Hitting is a bonus with Fuld. He does many other things to help a team. The Cubs are incapable of seeing things that way.
Fuld is better than Campana.
Fuld walks and has more power than Campana. Fuld actually has 3 HR’s. Campana can barely get a ball out of the infield.
There is no way any reasonable person would say the Cubs should bench Soriano for Campana based on talent and ability.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
by rlpete on Jul 13, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And I'd be willing to bet that if Soriano was on the Rays, he would play everyday, not Fuld.
Seriously, who do you think the Rays could play in left other than Fuld? Justin Rugianno?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
If Soriano was on the Ray's he'd be DH and Damon would be in LF.
by ubercubsfan on Jul 13, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Point remains, Fuld starts because nobody else can, and Sori is miles better.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely not.
How many extra flyballs do you think Campana would actually get to? It is significantly less than one per game.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Because Tony plays the game with heart and emotion, not just when he hits a HR like Sori
And do the little waving-hand-in-front-of-the-face bit. But would I really play Tony more, maybe if we are out of contention. Wait…
In my lifetime please!
Soriano
plays with heart. IDK what you’ve heard, but Soriano has been known to work his behind off in the offseason and while rehabbing from the DL. Also, he is known for being a great teammate. Saying Soriano has no heart or emotion most of the time is flat out wrong.
by zoltarian1114 on Jul 13, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
dumb question
but how does Castro get credit for stealing 3rd when it ended up being a wild pitch/passed ball? I don’t know the rules but it sure looked more like an extended lead off that turned into an “advanced to third” due to the consequences of the play. Thanks in advance for any clarification.
Probably because he was going before the pitch bounced.
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he was running at the delivery of the pitch.
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ok....
not that it matters… but let’s say the catcher makes a nice stab and catches the ball out of the dirt but doesn’t make a throw. is that defensive indifference or still a steal?
Steal
Whether he actually makes a throw has little to do with it. What matters also is what the other players do whether holding the player on or moving towards the bag expecting a throw.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 13, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
It's an uncontested stolen base.
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
These grades are fair enough, Al.
Though I would grade Hill and Peña higher, and Wood lower. Somehow, Wood lost his spectacular cutter; Hill has been a good backup; and Peña is the HR threat we thought he would be, and has saved our infield (Ramírez and Castro) from making a ton of errors. Imagine how many they would’ve made without Peña in there. Hello, Prince Fielder!
OT: any body see Justin Timberlake interviewd by Grace?
was he wearing a chicago T shirt? i couldnt see it all that well…
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I would think DeWitt will be tendered because Hendry never admits his mistakes. (Except for Bradley?). Same with Garza, he will be here
"...if the Cubs had won the World Series in the first 2-3 years of (Soriano's) deal, we wouldn't care"
But they haven’t, and we do. The same could be said about Jacques Jones, Kosuke, and a dozen or so others. That’s kind of like saying I could fly if I could flap my arms fast enough but I can’t.
Yeah, I know there should be an apostrophe in "Vails," but punctuation wasn't an option when I signed up.
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Jul 13, 2011 10:16 AM CDT reply actions
Not really
The Cubs opened up the checkbook with the single goal of winning the world series. They knew the damage it would cause down the road, with the bloated contracts, but that was the risk/reward. They came damn close, with a 97 win team. The best Cubs team in a long, long time.
If they accomplished the goal, we’d all be happy, and the final years of these deals (now) would be more tolerable.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Yes, if they'd won the WS with Soriano, we'd all be happy and would love him dearly
No question about that. However, since they didn’t, there’s no point in engaging in hypotheticals. If they’d won a WS under Lou Piniella, he’d probably still be the manager, we’d all be singing his praises, and his statue would already be standing outside Wrigley Field.
Yeah, I know there should be an apostrophe in "Vails," but punctuation wasn't an option when I signed up.
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Jul 13, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
This isn't a hypothetical... it's a reality.
They broke the bank to try and win it all. That was the plan. If they accomplished that goal, this phase of the plan would be more tolerable.
The team we have now, is a direct result of trying to win a championship, at all costs.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 13, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
what did the five fingers say to the face?
SLAP
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by jesus christos on Jul 13, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I think maybe you need to flesh out your thoughts a bit more.
You say he should stay, then say you don’t want him here.
I’m guessing you meant that if the Cubs, CAST him as a #1 or #2 you don’t want him here (that’s still incredibly odd)
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 13, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Indeed
What would make sense is, that CZ doesn’t want Garza CAST as a #1 or #2. What he said, though, is that he wants Garza here, unless he’s one of the Cubs’ top two starters.
In other words, if they don’t have anything better, they should get rid of Garza, too.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 13, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
The problem would be
if the Cubs thought he was a #1 or 2 and then didnt pursue an Ace – if he is the de facto #1 next year and we did try to go after an ace type then it is what it is - if he is the #1 next year with no attempts on our part to go after an Ace then thats just wrong
otherwise CZ’s original statement doesnt make sense…
Disagree as well.
Garza’s been good, and with a better defense behind him he could be even better.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
Defense is what worried me most about this team.
They’ve been even worse than I could have imagined.
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by cowsarecool220 on Jul 13, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Too high for Soriano.
Too low for Pena and Barney. Otherwise, I pretty much agree.
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by elgato on Jul 13, 2011 10:38 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Eh, I dunno.
I think Al is saying Soriano is giving us exactly what we should expect from him at this point in his career. And I don’t disagree.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
Yeah, but isn't that sort of letting him off the hook/accepting subpar play?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
No.
It’s basically saying, he is who he is. To expect more just because he’s got a huge contract… well, you can’t. We’re stuck with it. Everyone knows it, so let’s move on.
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I'm sorry. I choose not to look at it that way.
I don’t blame Soriano for his contract. But I do blame him for not being able to adapt as his physical skills deteriorate. I don’t subscribe to the theory that “he is who he is.” For what he’s being paid — and you can’t just write off the money — and for the sake of his own professional pride he ought to try to hit the opposite way and/or take a few pitches here and there.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I think it's a little late in his career to become a patient, contact hitter now.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
Why?
Why is it so difficult to adapt, even a little?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Well, at the risk of sounding glib...
…baseball is hard. Plus, if he tried doing that, he could lose the one thing he does well — hit home runs.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
Of course it's hard.
But as a professional — a highly, highly paid one — Soriano should work to adapt, at least, at the plate.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
As a point of support
try naming a player who has done what you suggest.
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by ForTheLoveOfBiitner on Jul 14, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Don’t say great things on the 24-13 record for quade. It was Cub vets vs opponents rookies.He is a lifetime minor league Manager. He struggles with decisions under pressure. He has been out-coached by almost every Manager. How he was selected as a coach on the allstar game staff is beyond belief. If some one can explain the choice, please do. He did not earn the right to be there. Baseball is falling rapidly in their judgements on the allstar game selections & tactics. Quade is one of Hendry’s chosen “Yes Boys” as is the pitching coach Riggins…Next time on your visit to Wrigley, check out Crane Kenney in the capt. Morgan’s club as he will tell you how good the Cubs are going to be.
Don’t say great things on the 24-13 record for quade. It was Cub vets vs opponents rookies.
Not really. The Cubs played quite a number of games last August & September vs. playoff contenders.
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I've really become a Carlos Pena fan
I’m not saying I want him back next year, but he’s been a joy to watch this year. The guy is a great defender, he knows how to take a walk and he seems to be one of the most stand-up guys in baseball. It’s funny for me to be pointing out to Al Pena’s value in the clubhouse. Usually it’s the other way around.
The problem is he’ll be 34 next year and he can’t hit lefties. We clearly need a guy like Pujols or Fielder at first base next year. But I do like the guy a lot.
The Cubs need an incredible bat in the middle of the order
Unfortunately, the only guys like this available in FA are 1bmen and Pena isn’t quite that. I wish that a guy like Kemp was an FA, but it is what it is. I’ve really liked Pena this season and under different circumstances, I would love to have him back. If the Cubs miss out on Fielder, I wouldn’t mind him playing 1b for the next 3 years at around $12M per.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 13, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather look for that power bat in the OF.
I don’t understimate Peña’s defensive value to all our infielders. That infield would suck with Fielder on 1B. As to Pujols, if the Cardinals don’t pay him, why should the Cubs?
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 13, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but which OFer?
Name names. Kemp may – MAY – be available for 2013, but outside of him, I can’t think of who else would be.
The Cubs have to take advantage of the opportunities available. Fielder is that opportunity.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 13, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Scott Feldman was DFA'd
Can we look into him please? Dude was Rangers opening day starter last year, and other than a not cheap contract, he’s done alright in AAA.
He's likely to clear waivers, because of the contract.
If that’s the case, the Cubs should absolutely consider. And sign Kazmir already… what’s the big deal? He costs the same as Davis, or Lopez, or Ortiz.
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He'd be a quality pickup
Lefty, 28, good arm, not a strikeout pitcher, but he’s an innings eater and could be a guy with an ERA in the 3’s in the NL.
I wonder if Kazmir needs to spend extended time in the minors.
Maybe he’ll figure it out. It seems to have helped Dontrelle Willis but the jury is still out on him.
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by cowsarecool220 on Jul 13, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Overall not bad.
Quade gets a F
Barney a B
Soriano a D+
Pena B-
I think Barney has been a bright spot, he and Castro work well together.
Bring Pena back if Fielder is not signed.
Castro vs Barney
(Castro)/(Barney)
HR:
2/1
BA:
.307/.306
RBI:
39/31
OBP:
.335/.334
OPS:
.763/.709
BB:
16/10
SO:
47/31
Errors:
18/7
PCT:
.957/.980
Honestly, I don’t see that significant of a difference. Barney has had a good year, and should be graded as such.
by Bled Dry on Jul 13, 2011 11:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Y'know, I must admit...
…I didn’t realize Barney had gotten his OBP up to league average range. Interesting.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
Thanks for showing these numbers side-by-side
One more comparison: Castro – 1.9 WAR. Barney – 1.4 WAR
Castro has much more power (as you can see in the OPS difference), but Barney has been the superior defender, which makes them a lot closer in value than I thought they were.
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 13, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I applaud the effort...
…but grading a team like the Cubs is maddening. We are wildly inconsistent, and even bright spots (Castro on offense, Pena on defense, A.Ram when he realized he’s in a contract year…) are undefinable because they can’t string two good games together. Still, I can’t argue that much with the grades. I think Barney could be higher, and Quade anything other than failing is difficult for me to swallow. Soriano seems to be the point of a lot of angst here. He is what he is. Grading him on a curve is what we have to do as a fan base because he’s here for a while.
Marmol
I haven’t been able to watch a whole lot of games this year having a 1 year old and all, but are hitters starting to sit on Marmol’s slider, knowing that it’s probably not hitting the strike zone, and just waiting for him to throw a fastball or something off speed? Sometimes he has that slider working, where he can pound the zone with it, and other times I think “why would anyone swing at this, it’s going to be a ball”
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 13, 2011 12:00 PM CDT reply actions
Trade him!
But get something back that is legit. Somebody will want a late game guy, get a nice prospect or three. Philly, NY, Cleveland, Arizona, and Tampa Bay might be potential reliever-buyers.
In my lifetime please!
I'd trade Marmol, IF....
… and ONLY if, you get a major league starting pitcher in return.
Not a “major league ready” kind of guy, but someone who is already in a starting rotation and had some success.
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LOL
Archer? He’s been awful this year. Marmol’s worth more than Niemann.
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Well they won't trade Shields, Price, or Hellickson
And he’d be Major League ready. Archer was one of our top prospects. Now suddenly he’s worthless?
In my lifetime please!
And it doesn't matter because the Rays
won’t take on Marmol’s salary.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
That would be ideal
but why limit the options to solely a SP?
I would say trade Marmol as long as a top 50 prospect comes back in return. Marmol will make $9M in 2013. Trade him now while his return might be significant.
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by TheBeerBaron on Jul 13, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree with this
We could start grooming the next guy to close, while Woody handles the duties the majority of the time.
No, I want a starting pitcher.
It’s not just the contract relief. It’s getting someone useful in return.
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A top 50 prospect
isn’t a “useful” return?
I think that secretly—maybe not so—you are under the impression that next year could be “the year”.
It’s admirable, but I think it’s time to admit that this team is a couple of years away from truly competing. Honestly, I don’t want a teaser divison “chase” next year where the Cubs finish a game or two over .500 and operate “business as usual”. I want what is on this team now gone. Marmol is good, but inconsistent and closers are vastly over paid and over valued.
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by TheBeerBaron on Jul 13, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I simply think that Marmol...
… who is not in a walk year, and who is pretty affordable for most teams, could merit a major league starting pitcher.
Not an “ace”, maybe not a No. 2 — but a No. 3 guy, solid rotation starter. If you haven’t noticed, the Cubs don’t have many of those.
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They have none
and absolutely nothing coming up through the pipeline that projects as a true top of the rotation starter.
Do you really think that the Rays would even trade Jeff Niemann to acquire the erratic Marmol?
I don’t think there is much of a chance that the Cubs can acquire a true difference maker in the rotation for really anyone they plan on trading. Maybe if Aramis Ramirez agrees to waive his NTC, you could package him with Marmol somewhere to land a good pitching prospect, but that’s highly unlikely.
I could be wrong and have been several times. It just doesn’t seem like Marmol will net even a #3.
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by TheBeerBaron on Jul 13, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You won;t get a good one for an erratic relief pitcher
And if the Cubs won’t get a good starter, why bother? They are better off getting a kid who can become a good starter than getting another mediocre MLB starter – they have an ample supply of mediocre.
Highly unlikely
teams do not exchange proven starters for closers in today’s game. Ain’t gonna happen.
Look at what the Brewers gave up for K-Rod. And the Mets had to throw in money as well.
K-Rod is making a lot more than Marmol.
He’s also in a walk year. And he has some attitude issues.
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K-Rod also has more saves this year
than Marmol and has been doing it longer.
Trust me on this: No team is giving up a proven starter for Marmol unless it is somebody in a walk year, somebody with a terrible contract or somebody who has arm issues.
Take it to the bank.
Closers are a dime-a-dozen, IMO. There’s always somebody in the farm system or bullpen that can get you a couple dozen saves.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
That's exactly what I am saying
and why Marmol should be traded while he has value and before the money becomes an issue.
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by TheBeerBaron on Jul 13, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You'll feel really silly when we get rid of a "lights out" closer and then have nobody reliable to close our postseason games.
/s
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt it.
Many good teams have excelled with lackluster closers.
How many innings does a closer pitch? 40? 50?
Extremely over valued.
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by TheBeerBaron on Jul 13, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
You blew through the sarcasm tag
Besides, we all know we need a good, well rested starter for game #4 than we need a closer
Except other teams see that too.
Money is already an issue as he is due nearly $17 million over the next 2 years. The Rays won’t take him. I guarantee that unless the Cubs are eating salary. Yes, he has value but he isn’t cheap and with his occasional struggles this year he is far from a great value.
People are going to be disappointed by the likely deadlines from the Cubs this year. It is going to be very similar to last year. A few guys for some Grade B prospects. Visions of multiple trades for top prospects isn’t going to happen.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Exactly.
That’s why if they can find anyone to take him and send the Cubs back at least a top 50-100 prospect, it would be a dream.
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by TheBeerBaron on Jul 13, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if this is true or not
but the conventional wisdom in baseball is that you don’t give up valuable pieces for closers, because you can always pick one up somewhere on the cheap.
See Diamondbacks – J.J. Putz.
I'd agree with most of these grades.
The one I’d most strongly quibble with is Matt Garza. I’d give him at least a C+ if not a B- or B. Yes, he’s had some bad starts and a DL stint, but check out his numbers. His FIP and xFIP are still under 3 and his K/9 is still over 9. He has a ground ball rate near 50% and a HR/9 under 1.0. He’s on track to make near 30 starts. Garza’s been good. It seems likely that he’s been hurt badly by the Cubs’ shaky defense and tepid offense.
The D to Tony Campana seems a little harsh. I’d still like to find a way to keep him on the end of the bench because his speed is so useful in late & close game situations. Obviously he’s not a starting player or anything close to it. I’d give him a C/C-.
And I’d probably bump Barney up to a B- just for seizing a starting role and making a name for himself. I’d agree that the team shouldn’t look at him as a starting player unless they can find a way to markedly upgrade offensive production in a couple of other spots.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
A lot of C's
Which is probably too high as the collective grade for this team.
Pena I think has been acceptable, despite the slow start. He’s a competitive energy this team needs.
I know next year will be different, because if we don’t have Fuke, Aramis (maybe), Pena (maybe), Quade, who really will fill in those big spots? Its just getting embarrassing when your three biggest NL rivals (STL, MIL, CIN) are battling it out, and we are battling it out with Houston for the cellar.
HOW CAN JIM HENDRY NOT GET FIRED LIKE….NOW?
In my lifetime please!
All your grades are too high.
This team is battling the stros for last place in the MLB, but you have the cubs starters/everyday players/bullpen averaging a C. If the team were .500 I could see them averaging a C. Oh well, it’s hard to fight grade inflation.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 13, 2011 12:12 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
The Cubs record when Demp, Garza or Z is pitching is around .500.
When anyone else starts, it’s dismal, maybe even worse than dismal.
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by cowsarecool220 on Jul 13, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
This team is not going to win anything. So overall a big fat
INCOMPLETE
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Or NO COMPETE
As in the Cubs have rolled over the entire first half…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
I think being released is an automatic F
Sorry, Doug. Thanks for being part of the team this year, though. We will look fondly back on this year one day and think “It could have been worse, right?”
We
are talking about a team with the second worst record in baseball. I would drop everyone a full grade. Way too many average grades for a way below average team
Cubs 2011 70-92
No, it's not their performance...
it’s just injuries.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
A lion might be the Cubs next team president....That would be cool when Soriano does not run out a grounder and the lion just runs out and attacks....
Hilarity….
I night be joking…..But the loafing would only happen ONCE…..
Or how about we just get a huge dog to bite Quade in the rear everytime he lets someone loaf…..
He would NEVER play ARam and Soriano….
Tom how much faith should Cub fans have in you??
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Tom, how much do you actually know about running a major league baseball team?
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
into the ground
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget his outstanding manager!!!
(wait for it)

by ubercubsfan on Jul 13, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can you post the link to this video??
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
i like shark's reaction
as if he’s surprised that pujols can take him deep
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by jesus christos on Jul 13, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Oustanding!
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by TheBeerBaron on Jul 13, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
well played, ess dubya el
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 13, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Tom, how many people will be in the Bud Lite bleachers in September?
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
The whole Ricketts family.....!!!!!!!
DeWitt’s family will all be there to see him playing instead of BJax!!!!!
Tom, what style of reacharound did Hendry give you to keep his job?
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
This seems physically impossible
Is Hendry that dexterous?
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 13, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
"Tom...what's the chances of you lowering ticket prices for next year?"
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Grading the coaches:
De Jesus: F Out of his league at 3b
Riggins: F Pitching staff last in ERA. Enough said.
Dernier: A Does a great job of picking up the hitters’ shin guards
Listach: See Quade
Strode: See Riggins
Mid-season grades
Pretty harsh! The line-up has actually performed better than I expected. The pitching is dismally weak and the Cubs cannot hit their way to a better second half unless they acquire some more (better) starters. The one great positive this team has demonstrated this year is positive attitude and energy – they never quit even when they are 8 runs behind. The one possible exception is Soriano, though even he seems to be making a little better effort at fielding. Despite their record, they’re easier for me to watch this year than last when expectations were higher.
by Been there Done that on Jul 13, 2011 2:32 PM CDT reply actions
Thinking
I haven’t seen an exception for Soriano’s effort, but this is otherwise real close to the way I’ve interpreted the season so far.
by AboutTheCubs on Jul 13, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I predict that
Hendry will get fired with 37 games left in the season. An interim GM with no real experience will come in and the Cubs will finish the season 24-13. This will lead Ricketts to keep the new GM in place for next season.
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Hendry and Quade fired with 1 month left in the season...
Blake DeWitt named GM/Player-Manager
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
While penciling
himself into the line up at 2b, lf and 3b. He is that good to cover all that ground
Cubs 2011 70-92
I think SenorGato's brain would short circuit
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 13, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Overall, the entire team warrants
a D-.
The only lower grade is Houston with an F.
With these grades Al, I’m amazed that my record is 2-2 when seeing the Cubs play in person.
To me, there isn’t a single name on the Cubs’ roster that scares the opposition or is untouchable with respect to a trade, DFA or outright release; not a single player that I’d spend my hard-earned $ coming to see play.
This is a BAD team.
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
They just managed to go one entire half of a major league schedule...
without winning 3 games in a row.
That should count for SOMETHING.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Glass half full POV:
They at least have that goal to shoot for during the second half.
Any bets on when, or if, they even achieve that?
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 13, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
2012...the 2nd week of May
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
this includes Spring Training Games.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, harsh judgment, Zeke.
Not even Starlin Castro?
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He has promise Al
but still needs a lot of hands-on development and I’m afraid he’s not getting it now that Trammell is in Arizona with Gibby.
His ASG sidearm throw for an error on a routine grounder is evidence of his need for further work.
That was as simple a play as it gets.
His two ASG stolen bases were a plus, however.
But as for Castro being a reason for me to come see the Cubs play? Afraid not.
At least, not yet.
But fear not. I’m a Cubs fan. I’m still dumb enough to believe the turnaround is just around the corner- “wait until NEXT year.”
Mrs. Zeke and I will still come and sit with you in the bleachers anytime. ;)
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He's 21.
Turned 21 in March.
Here’s the plan: DON’T SCREW HIM UP, and keep him for the next decade and a half.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
This is the Cubs.
You’re asking a lot.
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
I believe he turned 21 Cubs/Sox at Hohokam
…..I was at this game and I think that was it.
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You, Mrs. Zeke, and I should go to a game in the bleachers at some point.
I’d be really happy to finally meet you two in person.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 13, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Castro really needs a fielding intervention - a .957 fielding percentage is pretty awful.
He is leading the NL in errors for his position, and doesn’t appear to be reducing the mental mistakes as the season progresses. Add that to impatience at the plate and there is a real risk of squandering his very real raw talent.
The team really needs a coaching staff intervention……
done...

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by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
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Gracie looked like he was about 60.
Yikes.
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
I loved loved loved the backhanded compliments to Joe Buck.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Or anybody else on Fox.
Did anyone else notice McCarver call Pineda the youngest all-star last night? I can’t stand those guys…
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
C'mon Al
Timberlake should stick to singing. I thought he was awful.
by If we only had Hubbs on Jul 13, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Grades
Totally agree that no player gets an A.
Byrd, Wells and Cashner get “incomplete” due to significant time on the DL.
Best grades for position players, B, go to Fukudome, Barney and Johnson. Castro would get a B except that his defense isn’t fluid enough. Granted it doesn’t matter, but I can’t believe he made that throwing error in the all-star game (LOL).
Strictly D or F for each starting pitcher except for Wells and Cashner. Marshall and Russell were effective enough in relief. The bullpen had to work too many innings.
EVERYONE GETS AN F
Seriously, no one deserves anything higher than a D when we’re the second worst team in the entire professional sport.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
We do not even affect the curve for grades
We are simply such an outlier we do not matter.
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Carlos Silva
EXPELLED!
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
by daver on Jul 13, 2011 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Zambrano got detention
when Quade tried to enforce Z laughed in his face.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
ESPNLA reporting the Angels have a deal in place for Aramis Ramirez for 2 prospects.
Both teams now waiting to see if he’ll waive his no trade.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
I don't see that anywhere on here.
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
..
http://twitter.com/#!/MarkSaxon1
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
OOOOH I LIKE THIS
Source: #Angels moving 2 prospects, one of them pitcher Chris Scholl, to #Cubs for Aramis Ramirez. #MLB
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
ALso - my buddy says it may be a fake account
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
I don't see this on anything ESPN or anything MLBTR.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Me neither - but this is 15 minutes ago
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
It is a fake account.
Here is the real account of Mark Saxon. No mentions of this at all.
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Awesome.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Actually thanks Doug
For emailing it to me. Dont blame me. Blame Doug. AND HE IS A SOX FAN!!
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Jul 13, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
O&*T^(&R%*ENWRIOEW
I just posted on the Angels site to ask.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
hahahahahaha!!!!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
You couldn't have let the excitement last longer?
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
TWSS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
What can I say?
I have a knack for exciting women.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Odd that the guy went six months between tweets.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Obviously that's because Twitter sucks.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Normally, this is where I'd refute such a remark.
But I haven’t tweeted in weeks.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
It's like sending out the Batman beacon, I knew you'd come calling, ha!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Obviously this is nothing
but it stirs something.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
PLEASE BE FOR MIKE TROUT....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
OR Garrett Richards
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
One of that guy's tweets mentions Chris Scholl.
Anyone know anything about him?
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23 year old reliever in AA
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=scholl001chr
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 13, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
THAT'S MY JIMBO!!
Come on Lisa, I'm trying to impress people here. You don't win friends with salad. ~ Homer J. Simpson
by TheBeerBaron on Jul 13, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Or we could just trade Ramon Ortiz for an actual trout.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
by daver on Jul 13, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Anybody see this?
Bud Selig rambles and says things.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Said Chicago White Sox All-Star first baseman Paul Konerko: “I think we’d all like to see two 15-team leagues. I was told that if we do that, it would really solve a lot of scheduling problems.”
Actually, it would CREATE scheduling problems, Paulie. Try again.
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Which ones, Al?
Seriously. If you’ve got something, turn off the performance art for a moment and let’s hear some of them.
Well, there's the whole interleague-games-every-day problem.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Glad to hear that they are going to expand replay.
Not far enough, but it’s a step.
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Bud operates at a snail's pace.
And he spends so much time tweaking and modifying the rule book and rule changes that if he actually did a good job of making changes—like sweeping replay changes or an all-star game that makes sense—a lot of these problems would be solved with better oversight.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
It seems like the fans responded just like the players did to the all-star game: not caring.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Ramirez to the Angels????
http://twitter.com/#!/MarkSaxon1/status/91248307128647680
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
Centipedes?.....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Already a done deal, says Paul Sullivan.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
FAKE
Per Al: #Cubs Please disregard last tweets from MarkSaxon1 concerning Aramis Ramirez. Appears that is a fake account. Please follow @markasaxon
"Go Cubs!"
At this exact moment, we really have no idea which one is real and which one is fake, the real guy hasn't refuted it on his account yet.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
GET A TOTEM
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 13, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
The fake guy could be the real guy tweeting from a fake account because his real account got hacked.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
but he could be tweeting fake stuff to make you think it's the fake guy impersonating the real guy
"Go Cubs!"
I hate both of you.
Actually, SWL, too.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
By the way, Halos Heaven has picked up the Aramis trade,
here. But the “fake” account says his real account was hacked.
Yet another reason I hate Twitter.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
The fake account hadn't tweeted in six months.
And he’s calling out the real one? Unbelievable.
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You think the real guy would like, you know, be on his Twitter saying this is fake.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Like this?

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
New tweet from the fake guy!
http://twitter.com/#!/MarkSaxon1/status/91262991907033089
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
idk why would a person lie on twitter?
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 13, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
but it is on the internets
it must be real!!!
I'm going to the 2012 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp!!! Who's with me?
by VegasCubFan on Jul 13, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
And we have resolution!
This is my only Twitter account, fyi, I never tweeted about Aramis Ramirez. I’m baffled and, frankly, flattered someone would imitate me.
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"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Dangit.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The fake tweets from today have all been deleted.
What, the guy thought people wouldn’t see right through him?
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I will add some other Grades
Overall defense: D
Castro is worst than last year, Soriano stinks, and we make way to many fielding errors under pressure.
Clutch Hitting: D-
Without Aramis’s hot streak this team would be a F.
Baser running: D-
Soto, Pena, Ramirez, Fukudome, and Soriano can not score on a double from first base and thats more than half our starters. Also Dejesus doesn’t have any idea when to send a runner home.
Overall Health: D
Half way through the season and every starter has been on the DL. Also Soriano, Baker, Barney, Soto, Byrd, and Johnson have been on the DL. The only starters not to experience an injury are Castro and Ramirez.
I still think this team is underachieving and with better luck and managing they would be around .500.
Fundamentals
Curious how much the coaching does factor into how fundamentally bad this team is…
…horrible defense from just about everyone (okay, maybe not Pena).
…terrible approaches at the dish (my HS JV team this year had a better idea of what they wanted to do during an AB).
…guys thrown out trying to take the extra base way too many time (do A-Ram and Geo think they are that fast?).
…not hitting your cut-off man from the OF.
I know there are more. These are basics – at least they should be at this level.
OT...."Lucy must be traded, Charlie Brown" is on ABC!
:)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
now "Chicago Cubs: Heart and Soul of Chicago" is on WYYW
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jul 13, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
that's WTTW....my bad ;)
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 13, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
AAA All Star game on MLB network
Fun presentation.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Jul 13, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
On Fukudome...
He’ll have a hot streak where you think maybe he’s finally figured things out — from April 20 to May 13, for example, he hit .371/.458/.435 — but then you look closer and realize he had just one RBI in that 18-game stretch.
This is a useful example of why RBIs have nothing to do with how productive a player is. That Dome only had one RBI simply says that his teammates weren’t getting on base ahead of him. It says nothing about how well Dome was performing. The day people stop using RBIs as a measure of individual performance will be a happy day.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM CDT reply actions
especially when your name is Marlon Byrd.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 14, 2011 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
i just
give the whole season a big fat f. and i actually thought this team would be in the mix this season so i deserve a big fat f too.
and jim hendry
this all goes to prove that character is not the be all end all to having a good team. work on getting players.

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