Chicago Cubs vs. Florida Marlins Preview, Friday 7/15, 1:20 CT: Onward To Oblivion
by Al Yellon on Jul 15, 2011 11:30 AM CDT
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Maybe not "oblivion", but this season is rapidly heading toward record territory. At 37-56, the Cubs must go 23-46 to avoid tying (or breaking) the worst record in team history, 59-103 in 1962 (and tied in 1966).
That should be doable... but the way this team has lost games, maybe not.
There's one other thing I want to say this morning. The behavior in last night's third overflow thread was completely unacceptable. I am not going to single anyone out in this post; some people have already been notified. The personal attacks will stop. The profanity will stop. The namecalling will stop.
We are all frustrated with the play of this team. That is not an excuse for attacking each other. I'm tired of playing hall monitor. I hate to say this, but grow up.
Cubs lineup:
Fukudome RF, Castro SS, Ramirez 3B, Peña 1B, Byrd CF, Soto C, Soriano LF, Barney 2B, Dempster P
Marlins lineup was not available at posting time. If you find it, post it in the comments.
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Ryan Dempster and Ricky Nolasco met earlier this year, on May 18 in Florida. Neither one pitched that well, but the Cubs wound up winning the game after both starters left. Current Marlins are hitting .243 (26-for-107) against Dempster, with the best being Hanley Ramirez (4-for-11, a HR, that was hit in that May 18 game); current Cubs are hitting .291 (23-for-79) against Nolasco. Both Alfonso Soriano and Carlos Pena have two HR off him.
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You know what sucks....
That lineup we far posted doesn’t seem like it’d be bad, but it is. It’s probably close to the ideal lineup given the same group of players, and its not inspiring.
Man I can’t wait til:
1) DJL and Jackson get called up.
2) Trades.
3) One of those 1B actually signs.
by SenorGato on Jul 15, 2011 11:36 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
It basically took this manager an entire half of baseball...
to get ARam batting 3rd and Pena batting 4th.
Inexcusable.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Yeah not quite that dramatic to me.
Especially since I’m pretty sure it’s been done before and neither guy started strong.
by SenorGato on Jul 15, 2011 11:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That would have been an absolute terrible 3/4 in April
And still a bad 3 in May
We'll all miss you Ron.
We did get 5 games of DeWitt in the 3-hole. And 4 of him batting cleanup. And 41 miserable games of Castro at #3.
The .660 OPS we’ve gotten from the 3-spot in the lineup was too valuable to tinker with.
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So true...
Pena and Ramirez have been rocking the ball all season!! QIAFI doesn’t know!!!
by SenorGato on Jul 15, 2011 12:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And yet, they were still batting 4 and 5 all season
so clearly actual performance isn’t why he didn’t make the move.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 15, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah he should have hit...
those other guys. You know…the other guys we have…I forget their names but they’re there.
What a crock.
Ramirez and Pena have been rocks this season! Quade repressed them! QIAAAAIFIII!!!!!
by SenorGato on Jul 15, 2011 12:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ramirez batting 3rd
Once Ramirez started hitting for power it then made sense to bat him 3rd. I don’t think it would have been better to bat him 3rd before that or before Barney returned from the DL. An important part of that change is batting Barney 8th to get runners in down there.
by AboutTheCubs on Jul 15, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I get online in the morning everyday and hope to see some trade action.
This would've been a better title
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
by SackMan on Jul 15, 2011 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Why is avoiding 59-103 a goal?
Wouldn’t even approaching that mark seal Hendry’s fate that much more quickly? That’s all I really want for the rest of this season.
Well note
that today’s line up should have been our line up from day one. But those dang injuries held us back. So if we can keep this lineup intact, than yes we can inch ever so closely back to .500
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Well Mr. Wild
Can we put a man on the moon for 20 years?
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
Does it have to be a man?
Our life expectancies are lower than females on Earth, I can only imagine they are lessened in space. Maybe we send a woman? I know… MY WIFE
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
Seriously, they deserve a chance to clean up the mess they created.
Why not dust off the old standby excuse for a third year?
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I do disagree
somewhat about someone else being more qualified. There is this guy named Sandburg. I think he played for the Cubs back in the 70’s. Hear he is managing AAAA somewhere
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I don't think
there is much doubt that the staff will be back. So your wishes could be a reality.
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Hendry"s fate is already sealed...
Ricketts would have to be an absolute imbecile to go into free agency/winter meetings with Hendry STILL at the helm. I believe there will be about 20,000+ season ticket holders with a very watchful eye on one Tom Ricketts.
With the 1st pick in the 2012 Baseball Amateur Draft, the Chicago Cubs select...
Dude...seriously? That's what started all that crap last night...
redundancy becomes irritable after awhile.
With the 1st pick in the 2012 Baseball Amateur Draft, the Chicago Cubs select...
Tell me about it...I'm really sick and tired of this team repeating loss after loss after loss.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 15, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
No...Clutch started all that crap last night.
No one else has EVER been berated for their posting style the way TJ was and there are PUHLENTY of other posters who bring absolutely NOTHING to the discussion.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 15, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't...and you're all stuck with me FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!
hahahahahahaha
:)
so there
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jul 15, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I am going to ask Clutch to publicly apologize to everyone here for his actions.
I hope that will be acceptable to all.
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What an AMAZING day for baseball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets win today and then win this series!!!!!!!!
Oh boy
you have set this up like a bowling pin. See this is a “G” site, I shall refrain from writing what POPPED in my HEAD
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Words
bad words? There are not stinkin bad words. It is all in the eye of the beholder
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I'm not so sure they
are amazing. Those are the Mets. Honestly the Cubs could be playing a tad better. But as said before we have our starting back intact so the sky is the limit.
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I must admit
i have used some real bad language. One time I recall (check post from 2007 June 2nd) were I uttered this dandy, Dang nab it
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this team could depress a person with a lifetime supply of calorie free chocolate
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 15, 2011 12:01 PM CDT reply actions
that said person also has a lifetime supply of toothpaste
and free dental
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 15, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
This entire season is turning out to be just one big grunt and splash...
and Tommy will most likely refuse to wipe when it’s over.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 15, 2011 12:05 PM CDT reply actions
Does Ricketts approve of this teams play??? Lets see!!!! Verdict is:
RICKETTS APPROVED!
by ubercubsfan on Jul 15, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Most likely
he does not like the won lost record. But he has to be happy with everything else.
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He can't be satisfied with the projected attendance figures for the second half.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 15, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Just
a bump in the road. Just hic cup, just a weird caveat of life. this to shall pass
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Or..
How many saves will Marmol get between every blown save?
by ubercubsfan on Jul 15, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh please.
I think it would be better if we all avoided talking about last night. Based upon what I saw in the third overflow thread, we’ll just be at each other’s throats once again, no matter who brings it up.
What happened last night is a case in point why I hardly ever comment during games anymore. It’s just far too easy to get carried away in the emotions of the moment and say something you’ll later regret.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 15, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea but you like to egg people on.
Quite frankly, I read the thread from last night and thought it was hilarious.
But I’m 21 years old and am in college and don’t religiously post on the this site.
I can see why people were offended.
After the first two or three insults you both should have gotten off the site.
That’s not a shot at you in the least bit. Just my $.02
Keep that Q Train rollin' in '11. Let's win it for Ronnie.
I don't think age matters in this.
I’m 10 years older than you and find that sort of stuff funny as hell. People take what other people on the internet way too seriously. Come on people. That’s the whole joy of trolling which I admit I do to other sites still. You aren’t hurting anybody and if someone has hurt feelings based on words from a person they don’t know personally they they don’t have the mental fortitude to even be reading a blog or surfing the internet. There are much more worse things in life that words on a webpage.
by ubercubsfan on Jul 15, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on now! His outburst was completley justified!!!!
What i said was so much worse!
Plus we all learned new and exciting words!
Why cant we all just get along and enjoy so fine Cubs baseball!!!!!!!!
The big winning streak starts today!!!!
All done under the tutelage and excellent managing skills of Hendry and Quade.
They are true geniuses that will show their colors starting today!!!!!!
Then after that 79-0 run...
That would put them 3 wins into the World Series and will proceed to lose 4 straight. End result 79-4!!!
So you want them to go on a tear and lose the WS in 7?
69 regular season games + 10 playoff wins in a row = getting up 3-0 in the WS and losing…..
That ain't happening without LaHair.
He is The One.
How many people were surprised at how they lost last night?
#10 You will be missed.
by Bricks and Ivy on Jul 15, 2011 12:12 PM CDT reply actions
Marlins Lineup (per Yahoo!)
Bonifacio (3B), Infante (2B), Sanchez (1B), Ramirez (SS), Morrison (LF), Stanton (RF), Cameron (CF), Buck ©, Nolasco (P)
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 15, 2011 12:13 PM CDT reply actions
Go Cubs!
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
by eths on Jul 15, 2011 12:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Yeah
go Cubs, right out of town the damn losers. I hate them all. They all stink. Wait, what am I saying. Oops I save this view point for my other log on name
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Meh
Keep that Q Train rollin' in '11. Let's win it for Ronnie.
by mikegncb34 on Jul 15, 2011 12:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
oh boy..
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 15, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Monty, you have to give him a break!!!!
You have to have runners on base ahead of him first!
I bet he finishes with about 88 RBIs….We all know that he usually picks it up in the 2nd half after slow starts.
I think the Cubs are in for a big finish this year themselves!!!!
TJ11
Ryan Doumit, Nick Hundley, Wilson Valdez….all have more RBIs than our starting RF
by montycubsfan on Jul 15, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
There are a couple of reasons for this.
1. Lack of chances. He’s had 311 plate appearances, 91 of those plate appearances with men on base. He’s had 60 plate appearances with runners in scoring position. Still, 12 RBI seems awfully low for a guy who’s had 60 AB with RISP and posted a 1.000 OPS. What’s going on there? The answer is….
2. Total lack of power. He has 4 XBH all year with runners on base. He has only 2 HR. And while he’s hit very well with runners on base in general, he isn’t able to drive in runners at all, even from second. To wit:
8 base hits with runners on second – resulting in only 3 RBI. Another hit with runners on first & second, no RBI.
7 hits with a runner on first, resulting in no RBI.
Basically, Kosuke needs to be batting with a runner on 3rd in order to have an RBI chance. His 12 RBI are accounted for with 7 runners on 3rd, 3 runners on 2nd, 2 HR.
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Wait, wait!
Don’t forget our terrible baserunning history!
We can’t score from second on a single, can we?
(This is actually a question, as you seem to be the person with the stats.)
"Sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes..."
Damn D98...
Can you find the Lindbergh baby? Bigfoot? Area 51? My Keys!?!?
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
Saddest thing is...
..I am wearing a Fukudome shirt as I write this
F*ck those f*ckin' fans who come out here and say they're Cub fans that are supposed to be behind you, rippin' every f*ckin' thing you do. I'll tell you one f*ckin' thing, I hope we get f*ckin' hotter than sh*t, just to stuff it up them 3,000 f*ckin' people that show up every f*ckin' day, because if they're the real Chicago f*ckin' fans, they can kiss my f*ckin' ass right downtown and PRINT IT.
by montycubsfan on Jul 15, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
We also have the best LF in baseball!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 15, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
and the best smiling CF in baseball
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by jesus christos on Jul 15, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
and the manager with the best rhythm...watch him clap in the dugout...95bpm...like a rock
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 15, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
i read a guitar hero-like game is being made for quade
clap like a rockstar!
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by jesus christos on Jul 15, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I recently
have been looking at this site. It seems you are full of great enthusiaism. Keep it up! Albeit I do think you are over rating our beloved Cubbies. I can think of at least two other RF better than our Fuke
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I never
have cared how much money they make. Although i see were if over paying players can stifle things a bit
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we cant give the kids at bats if the others are making the cash!!!!
that would just be a waste of money!
Per Quade:
Marshall may start seeing some save chances.
Now Quade is backing off his original statement of no changes?
What a sackless goat. We need a manager that doesn’t succumb to the outside pressure.
Ryne Sandberg can you hear me?
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
Not the change we need.....
…we need to change more than just our closer. From the club president down needs to change
by montycubsfan on Jul 15, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree! i think we have the pieces in place to build a winner!
The injuries have hurt us, but thats all!
I don't want Ryno anywhere near this crap.
Keep that Q Train rollin' in '11. Let's win it for Ronnie.
Cubs fan 2011 timeline:
March – Sweet! Spring training is starting. Hopefully we continue Quade’s winning ways from last year.
April – Why can’t we beat the Pirates? Not off to a great start but we’re not far behind. Still time to turn things around.
May – We can turn things around anytime now. Maybe Quade doesn’t know exactly what he’s doing.
June – Who pitches to Pujols with first base open two days in a row!?? We freaking stink!
July – If we are able to go 23-46 the rest of the way we can avoid being the worst team in the club’s history.
August – This is the worst team in the history of the Cubs.
#10 You will be missed.
by Bricks and Ivy on Jul 15, 2011 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
lol i could think of anything else.
#10 You will be missed.
by Bricks and Ivy on Jul 15, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Y'know
They should remove the “10” patch from their uniform’s sleeves for the rest of the season. Honoring Ronnie while playing as badly as they have this year is just sad. Santo deserves better.
"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Jul 15, 2011 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
No, keep it...it's now not only a patch honoring Santo...it's a patch honoring how many wins they have the 2nd half of the season.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 15, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs are going to win 10 games the 2nd half of the season?
Sounds a little optimistic to me.
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 15, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
my fondest wish...
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
by Ross on Jul 15, 2011 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Darth Vader
would have taken a lightsaber to the team a long time ago…..
by montycubsfan on Jul 15, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Biggest mistake of 2011 season?
I’ve been thinking about what has gone wrong this year with the team. There are so many solutions. One I won’t say is that they don’t have heart. This team does still seem to give it its all everytime they bat. That’s a big difference between 2009 and 2010 seasons.
However, the one thing that’s lacked is pitching. Did the team undervalue Larry Rothschilds influence on pitching. Look at the last two years. The team had lousy production at the plate but the pitching was solid many many times. Look at this year…almost the same guys and not so great results.
If Quade is not going to get the axe yet, someone will be made an example out of and it should be the pitching coach.
2009
Man…other than the ‘04 stretch run in late-September, there’s one regular season I’d like to have back. Those guys were in first place in early August before they just TANKED. They still finished 83-78….a record I would have gladly taken this year. But geez…looking back on that year…what a disappointment
Keep that Q Train rollin' in '11. Let's win it for Ronnie.
And '01... Would like to have that stretch run back too
Keep that Q Train rollin' in '11. Let's win it for Ronnie.
Yea in 2009 it was like "what happened"???
What happened was the Cardinals were just better. Just like in 2007 the Brewers could say the same thing.
2001 wasn't exactly a crash and burn job like 2004
The Cubs didn’t play that poorly down the stretch – they overachieved most of the year, but in the end the Astros and Cardinals were just better teams.
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 15, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
2004 was just sad
There’s just no other way to put it
Question
So, if we’re going to make a serious run at either Pujols or Fielder in the offseason, doesn’t that mean that each loss this season just improves the draft pick either St. Louis or Milwaukee gets as compensation?
That kind of sucks to think about.
i will take pujols or fielder
they can take a 2nd round pick
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by jesus christos on Jul 15, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
All of the Above!!!
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
Avatar provided courtesy of AndrewJStone.
10- 9 - 8 + 0
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by jesus christos on Jul 15, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Al, if you want it to stop, you have to actually hold your "Friends" accountable
" I am not going to single anyone out in this post"
Why? I admit, I let some blue language fly, but holy crap, Clutch was beyond “unacceptable”
I have never seen anyone come CLOSE to what Clutch pulled last night and he did it because he knew you wouldn’t hold him accountable since he’s been a “respected member” of the community.
Whether he said what many think of TJ or not, he did it in the most asinine, childish, out of control way humanly possible. Don’t want to be the hall monitor? Make it clear the worst offenders won’t be tolerated no matter how much you like them.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 15, 2011 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
He's taking the Hendry approach when it comes to "friends" and "accountability"...
and I’m saying this as a guy that gets a fair share of “warnings” from Al about the stuff I pull on here.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 15, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I believe I've gotten a warning or two as well
and I got away with stuff I should have been warned for, but if Al’s not going to pull out the banhammer for what went on last night, then he’s got ZERO room to complain when it happens the next time.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 15, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
When it happens next time?
Looks like that is going to be this afternoon, unfortunately.
Soriano's Contract: Approximately one dollar for every pitch in the dirt that he swings at.
Shoot
give me a tip. I have never been warned, well at least from Al. Can someone provide me with the do’s and don’ts of posting?
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Oh no
you all mis understand. I am looking on how to get a warning. It just sounds so devious and fun
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swear, call people bad names
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 15, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
gadzooks
what’d i ever do to you, old bean
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 15, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
this is such bullpucky
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by jesus christos on Jul 15, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
You know what...
… yes, I saw what Clutch did. Because it was essentially a first offense, I’m letting it go. This time.
Next time, no. You’d like to be given a second chance, wouldn’t you?
FWIW, he emailed me an apology even before I saw it.
The second chance is the last one, in this case.
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Clutch16 deserves another chance IMHO, because this was out of the ordinary for him. Except for this one night, he's been more than
kind and patient to most of us who love this site and are not as knowledgeable as most of you here. We’ve already lost someone who made the threads very inviting, to me, anyway. These guys have a way of lightening things up around here and trying to accomplish that game thread after game thread can wear on a person. People have their breaking points, Clutch reached his last night is all.
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jul 15, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
That's kind of how I felt about him.
I have never received another complaint about Clutch16. Thus I am willing to give him a second chance.
I have asked him to post an apology to all involved in an upcoming game thread, and to never do it again.
We’ll see what happens.
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How about this?
Comedy isn’t pretty, and it is hard. When the same one-trick-pony line is repeated over and over and over,it ain’t funny anymore. It’s just juvenile.
Only Gilligan’s Island and the Three Stooges stay funny in reruns. Some acts here – have gone way beyond their expiration date.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 15, 2011 1:15 PM CDT reply actions
Game Thread?
Soriano's Contract: Approximately one dollar for every pitch in the dirt that he swings at.
....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 15, 2011 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Let's just enjoy her front issues for now...shall we?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 15, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
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