Mike Quade Ruins Matt Garza's Gem; Cubs Lose To Phillies
What do you do in this situation? Your starting pitcher has thrown an amazingly good game; through six and two-thirds innings he's given up just one hit and a handful of walks. Then, in the top of the seventh with two out, he gives up a couple of hard hits; you're leading just 2-0, so the tying run is now on base and one of the better pinch-hitters in the league is coming up. And your starter has thrown 111 pitches.
What do you do? Well, I know what I would have done, but what happened last night was this: the pitcher in question was left in the game. He gets out of the inning by getting the pinch-hitter to fly out -- on another hard-hit ball.
Now this pitcher is scheduled to lead off the bottom of the seventh inning. Your bullpen is ready, and this pitcher is one of the worst hitters on planet Earth (at least, one of the worst major league hitters). What do you do?
Why, of course, if you're Mike Quade, you let Matt Garza bat.
Why on Earth would you do this? You're playing a powerful Phillies team. You could use some more runs. There is virtually no chance that Matt Garza -- 1-for-35 at the time of that at-bat -- is going to get on base. Naturally, he struck out, and although the Cubs did get a pair of runners on base in the inning, they did not score. Maybe they would have if someone had batted for Garza. Instead, Quade burned one of his pinch-hitters, Blake DeWitt, batting for Jeff Baker. DeWitt ended the inning by flying to center.
Are you ready to make a bad thing worse? Quade left Garza in the game anyway. Four pitches into Jimmy Rollins' at-bat, Rollins hit a line-drive single, the fourth hard hit in a row.
So now Quade has to take Garza out, but he's already burned a possible double-switch candidate in Darwin Barney, who came into the game after DeWitt's PH at-bat. That means Sean Marshall goes into the 9 spot in the batting order and will have to be PH for when his turn comes up -- thus, Quade has essentially emptied his bench down to two players -- Kosuke Fukudome and Tony Campana -- and it's only the top of the eighth in a game that might wind up in extra innings. I say "two" because on only four occasions this year has Quade used two catchers in a game. Koyie Hill's going to stay anchored to the bench.
You know what happened next. Marshall has been pretty bad this month -- the five hits and three runs he allowed give him a 7.88 ERA for July. He got hit hard in both the eighth and ninth and the Cubs lost to the Phillies 4-2. It might have been worse if Starlin Castro hadn't made a perfect throw with the infield pulled in to throw out Chase Utley trying to score after Utley had driven in the tying runs with a double.
Hey, I know this season is a lost cause. But Matt Garza threw an excellent game Tuesday night, and moves made by his manager helped lose it, after Castro gave the Cubs a first-inning lead with a two-run homer off Cliff Lee. Lee hunkered down and gave up only five more hits after the first in completing seven solid innings. The Cubs had a shot at getting him out of the game in the first inning; the first three Cubs had extra-base hits, but they could score no more than the two runs.
The Cubs will try to win their first series in over a month (since the Brewers series at Wrigley in mid-June) this afternoon at Wrigley Field. The pregame thread will post at 11:30 a.m. CDT -- and that brings me to a request for all of you.
There were some SB Nation network outages Tuesday evening. When I am at Wrigley, the game threads -- both previews and overflows -- are scheduled to go up at specific times. The server issues apparently prevented these threads from posting on time. If you ever see that a game preview for a home game isn't up by two hours before game time, please email me -- then I can go in and post them manually. I wasn't aware of last night's game preview not posting until about 15 minutes before game time. Thanks.
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From the title of your post, it seems you don't view Quadie with the greatest respect.
Just sayin’.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
It shows Quade the UTMOST respect to adopt his nicknaming convention.
Quadie.
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I think @FakeLouPiniella's "Mikey Quaalude" is a good one.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I like Quade-e.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 20, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I just think many of his moves this year have been completely inexplicable.
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Hiring Quade in the first place
is completely inexplicable. Oh wait, we were all supposed to buy in because “Demp” approved. Please.
Dallas Green!
I get a text message
after each game and when I saw they lost I knew he left Garza in for the 8th inning which was just stupid…how many times does he have to see the same situation to see it doesnt work?
On the other hand, Garza definately sounded like an Ace in waiting last night taking a no-no into the 5th against a solid Phillies offense.
And sounded like one in the post game interview as well.
Got to respect a guy who sits down and talks to the media like that.
Garza sat down?
Or are you talking about Q sitting down. I’m not impressed if it’s Q. That’s part of his job.
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Garza sat down and basically said that he respects the guys out there because he knows they're playing their asses off for him
After both of his last losses (both tough luck), he’s come out and said all the right things and seemed VERY sincere about them.
Quade sounded like he was lost last night, which is about how he managed.
ya
I think he will become more as we go along, he appears to have reworked his approach this year and it is paying off…many of the sabermetrics say that he has been much better than the “old school” stats. We may miss HJL but I think Garza will be here for a LONG time
by hansman1982 on Jul 20, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
His baffling decisions have become so commonplace
That it’s exhausting to keep pointing them out.
But thanks for doing so, nevertheless. It’s necessary.
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by Brett Taylor on Jul 20, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
He manages the end of the game like a AAA manager with no closer
Is he trying to revive art of the multi-inning save?
Drew
Quade's moves were inexcusable
But with the way Marshall was throwing the outcome might not have been different, even if we get that third run.
Is our pitching coach aware of what's going on with our bullpen?
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
What pitching coach?
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by Unique on Jul 20, 2011 7:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Except that Quade left him in for the ninth after he was ineffective
that was another dumb move.
Angel Guzman is the man.
Al, plenty of company in those bleachers
it’s really embarrassing those empty seats due to those horrible ticket prices. There is gonna be nobody out there today with the heat and those $65.00 face prices, although they are going for less than $30.00 on stubhub.
I'll be interested to see how full they are today.
You’re probably right.
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Quade did the same thing against the Sox
down 1-0 in the bottom of the 7th, he hit Garza who predictable was retired. Should we be surprised anymore? By the way, Quade sounded like a defeated man in the press conference, a guy who knows he’s not coming back.
Didn't get to see the post game press conference with Quade
What did he say to make it sound like he was defeated?
just the way he sounded
and the look in his face.
Well, if they man showed any ability to manage a ball club, he might be brought back
I have no pity for the man.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 20, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Lack of faith in the bullpen, that's all it is.
And you can’t blame Quade for that. I can’t think of a rational person in this universe that has faith in this bullpen.
Of course, he could have taken out Garza, and when (not if) the bullpen folded, he’d be ripped up and down for taking out an effective starter to go to a shaky bullpen.
Of all the jobs on all the worlds in all the dimensions, Cubs manager is probably one of the first ones I’d refuse.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
Fine, no faith in the pen
what do you do? Garza already at 111 pitches with a career high of 120 ( according to Phillie announcers) you let him hit and start the 8th. Faith or no Faith, that my friend is just plain dumb.
Quade is a horrible manager.
Which RP you want to run against the top of the Phillies' order?
Grabow? Russell? Not Wood, he’s not 100%. Not Marmol, he can’t throw strikes. Shark?
Or do you think that maybe Garza can go one more inning? As it was, he went to the one guy in the pen we can trust for a two inning save and THAT GUY blew up.
Oddly enough, over at the Phils’ site:
The almost-sad (almost) thing about this game is that Quade did exactly the right thing with his bullpen. He has one guy who’s been good this year. He’s a lefty. He brought him in in the 8th to face the Phils’ best lefties. He kept him in for a second inning. Too bad it didn’t work out for him. Oh well.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Jul 20, 2011 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Apparently the guy at the Phils' site didn't notice Garza batting for himself in the 7th.
That’s not “doing exactly the right thing with one’s bullpen”.
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Possibly Quade has more faith in Garza's ability than he does his bullpen
The horrors.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Jul 20, 2011 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly one baserunner's worth of faith.
At that point, screw it. Bullpen.
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Completely agreed.
They traded for Garza because he’s a hoss who steps it up in big games. God forbid they let him pitch into the 8th inning…though I realize under BCB law Marshall blew the lead under orders from Quade.
Also, the powerful Phillies team statistically isn’t that good offensively. I was fine with leaving Garza in, because that’s what you do with high end starters.
Seeing as I actually sat down and watched this game I tried to get in the BCB Watch Cubs to Blame mode. I didn’t realize how much I missed…I thought leaving Garza in was fine, because he’s our best starter pitching against the leagues best team. I thought bringing in one of the leagues best relievers was a good idea, and that Marshall could handle the job. Not so much…
Anyway, speaking of Marshall….I think they should try him as a starter again. Hes got mechanics down pat…excellent stuff…dang him for blowing the lead.
by SenorGato on Jul 20, 2011 9:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I suspect by the end of the week
Quade will be blamed for the budget impasse in Washington, too.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I suspect by the end of the week, you'll come up with more completely ridiculous hyperbole
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 20, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing ridiculous about it
I think a neutral source would be appalled at some of the invective here.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Criticism does not necessarily equal invective.
I think you are throwing everything from TJ-level (Hendry is Satan!) to Al level (Quade is in over his head) and calling it TJ level.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Al and you are some of the milder ones, eg
The constant drumbeat is numbing.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps.
But I think there are more in my camp and Al’s than in the invective camp.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I would absolutely agree with that statement
by SouthernCub on Jul 20, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say it's an even split
The shriller voices are, well, more shrill. (How’s that for a circular argument? :) )
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
And yet nobody has blamed Quade for anything other than being a shitty manager
making your hyperbole indeed ridiculous
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 20, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's just the shrill ones trigger more responses...
I think the actual number of crazy fans (on either the overly negative or positive end) is pretty small. They’re just the posts people respond to.
That's probably true
Appreciate the measured, smart response, SC, unlike some others who replied to my post.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I was fine with leaving Garza in, because that’s what you do with high end starters.
Not after he was clearly running out of gas AND was the leadoff batter in the 7th inning. The Cubs needed more runs. They gave the Phillies an automatic out.
Also, Marshall has been bad this month.
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Why not bring Russell in for the eighth ...
and Marshall in for the ninth? How many times has Marshall gone 2 innings this year?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I think you're taking how hard Garza was hit a little over the top.
I know you’re trying to make a point, but it’s not like he definitely couldn’t have made it through the 8th or anything and Quade tried anyway.
if he wasnt
batting in the 7th then sure you might try to get another out or two from him but the fact that he was starting to get hit and he was leading off means most good managers would pull him.
by hansman1982 on Jul 20, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly...
Could Garza have survived another inning? Possibly. But given all of the circumstances, it wasn’t the right decision to send him out to bat in the bottom of the 7th.
by SouthernCub on Jul 20, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
He’s leading the inning off which gives you plenty of time to get you next pitcher warmed up and plan ahead.
Baseball isn’t exactly a chess match, but I am seriously questioning Quade’s ability to look 3 outs ahead of what’s happening at the moment.
You're right, you ALWAYS leave in a pitcher, no matter the situation
because he’s good. It doesn’t matter if he’s tired. Make him throw a complete game every time.
And as for Marshall? Why pay attention to how he has pitched recently, when you have his perceived value to lean on?
Player’s performances never change depending on different situations. EVER.
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 20, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah why ask more of your best pitcher?
Why not assume he’s tired because he’s hit some arbitrary pitch count number?
Russell has thrown the ball better
than anyone in the pen the last month. Phils hit Marshall real well, I mean real well. I forgot to put these numbers in my previous post:
ERA 10.13
WHIP: 2.03
BAA: .359
26 innings, 42 hits and 5 homeruns.
Russell has not givin up a run since June 19th
That is what I would have done.
Russell could have been the pitcher in the double switch.
Obviously the Philly site does not pay attention to these numbers cause frankly they don’t need to because they win enough.
20/20 hindsight
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 20, 2011 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Hindsight?
You kidding? Look at the numbers, The Phils own Marshall, Russell has thrown the ball better than anyone in the pen and Quade uses Marshall for 2 innings on a team that owns him. Hindsight? I think not.
yes, hindsight
Quade used Marshall exactly as he has been used (effectively) for the last couple of years. I have zero doubt if he had used Russell or someone else you would have been screaming why didn’t he use Marshall, our best reliever?
Marshall had a bad day and you, in hindsight, blather on about how you would have done it better. Get a grip.
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 21, 2011 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions
there were plenty who were calling for Garza to get pulled before he took the mound in the 8th.
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 20, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
so what?
whether Garza should have started the 8th was not the issue grockubs was addressing. He was questioning using Marshall instead of Russell.
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 21, 2011 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Russell is his LOOGY
Now, after he’s gotten his out, who do you put out there?
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Jul 20, 2011 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Russell
has shown some value this year as a 1 inning reliever…I would have thrown him in the 8th with Shark waiting and then you let Marshall pitch the 9th
more brilliant hindsight
Quade sent Marshall, his best reliever (not just his best lefty reliever, his best period) out there in the 8th because the heart of the Phillies’ order was coming up, and most of them are not as effective against a lefty. The 8th was the more dangerous inning, so0 it made sense to use your best guy then.
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 21, 2011 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
LOOGYs get their name
because they usually only face one lefty. If you’re looking at a series of lefties or switch-hitters, you can actually leave the lefty reliever in. What a concept!
Angel Guzman is the man.
nice to see a post that makes some sense
Quade used Marshall the way he was supposed to be used and Marshall failed to do his job, that is the primary reason the Cubs lost that game.
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 20, 2011 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions
That simply can't be
Someone always is to “blame,” and that someone usually isn’t the one who is at fault.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I can't say I'm too much of a fan of
Al’s spin today. Seeing as I watched the game I actually have a point of view on today’s Cubbie loss, and I can’t say I saw what Al saw. They went Garza to Marshall…how is that not textbook? Because they dared let their SP shutting out the phillies out for the 8th? It’s Quades fault our top reliever blew the lead during his usual inning?
Why no talk of the second inning when they has 1 and 3rd no out and didnt score a run? No direct way to target Quade with that?
Quade might as well just wear a bullseye t-shirt the rest of the season…it’d fit his actual purpose better.
by SenorGato on Jul 20, 2011 9:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Marshall was the right choice.
At the START of the 8th. After a PH for Garza. That’s my beef.
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Garza was the right choice at the beginning of the 8th...
IMO. What did he do that indicated anything bad coming? Give up two hits? Oh no.
I'll repeat.
He had thrown 113 pitches. It was clear he was gassed; the Phillies were starting to hit him. The Cubs were leading 2-0; they could have used more runs. Garza was leading off the last of the 7th. He’s an awful hitter.
Getting him out of there was a no-brainer.
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I was surprised Quade let Garza hit
but he was so dominating throughout the game, I can understand why he sent him back out to start the 8th, just as I understand why he pulled Garza after the leadoff single and brought in Marshall to face the meat of the Phils’ order.
Plenty to blame Quade for this season, he clearly is in over his head, but to roast him for Marshall’s failure that game is off target.
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 21, 2011 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Why was Marshall pitching the 9th?
Why did Quade blow the double switch?
Why was Barney not starting vs a LHP in the first place?
You can defend your boy all you want, but he blew the game just as much as Marshall did.
Nothing wrong with Baker starting at second against a lefty.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
He shouldn't have had to throw 2 innings.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 20, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
This from the blog that attacks managers for not leaving in relievers for more than 1 inning?
Talk about damned if you do damned if you don’t.
Leave them in if they are pitching WELL.
Can you not see the differrence….
YOU MUST DEFEND QUADE AND THE CUBS!!!!!!
The Blog now has a hive mind?
You would think there would be less arguing if that was the case.
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 20, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I read some of the comments on the Game thread last night.
I just still disagree with some that see this team lacking of talent and good players. Listening to Larry Anderson and the Phillie announcers last night confirmed what I feel. Obviously what they say is not Baseball Gospel, but I respect there opinion. They to are confused on why the Cubs struggle so much this year. They went through the lineup and pitching staff and felt that this is a decent team, not a 20 under .500 team. Well all they have to do is look how the 8th and 9th innings were run by this manager and there questions are answered.
There is plenty of blame to go around, from the players to coaches and also the front office, but this team is being run by a manager who has no business running a team. The numbers show that Marshall is better when entering a game to start an inning than with runners on. But this is old stuff, same story.
August and September are going to be long months for this team.
Blame Quade all you want
The truth is the Phillie announcers are looking at names on paper and haven’t watched these guys over the course of the last few seasons. Names that once had talent or were perceived to be talented that quite frankly just aren’t very good any more.
The pitching is weak, the offense is short and the team speed consists of a 21-year old and a track star. Defensively they are horrendous and yes, the manager and pitching coach belong toiling on coach busses.
This team really is that bad and by now, you are what your record says you are….no other way around it.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
Agreed and the team isn't constructed well.
The sum of the parts isn’t very good. For example, too many hackers makes it easier on the opposing pitchers. The lack of overall team speed. Except for the recent games from Rodrigo Lopez, the 4th and 5th positions in the rotation have been almost guaranteed losses.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
The Marlin announcers during one of the 5th innings adressed the Cubs being free swining as
they start swinging the moment they get off the team bus.
Snarly but a bit of truth in it
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
So did BB last night
As he praised Ramirez for swinging at the first pitch Monday night and hitting the HR.
And here inlies a microcosm...
…why the Chicago Cubs are well into their 2nd century of futility.
Why, of course, if you’re Mike Quade, you let Matt Garza bat.
Honestly now is there much more to be said about this season?
I fell for the 24-13 feel-good Quade story of the late 2010 season; how wrong I was about that. Should have seen it coming; no pressure, new guy, baseball lifer, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me numerous times, I must be a Cubs fan. Yikes!
Just win the next game...!
I fell for the 24-13 feel-good Quade story of the late 2010 season
We all did.
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I think the missing ingredient is
Trammell or at least an experienced voice or two on the bench…its possible that Quade could have been a good manager had he gotten some help this year but alas I doubt the All-Star will ever manage again if he is fired after this year
This.
The Cubs played some good teams down the stretch in September, so I don’t think Quade simply benefited from weak competition/lack of pressure. But losing Trammell and Rothschild — replacing them with Listach and Riggins — seems to have had a big impact.
One thing I won’t fault Quade for — and one thing that I wouldn’t even fault Hendry for — is the ineffectiveness of the bullpen. If you had told me in March that Russell and Shark would end up being pretty good (OK, at least decent), and our pen would be bad all the same because Wood, Marshall and Marmol have been bad/inconsistent … wow, I don’t know if I would have believed it.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
The dearth of ML experience
on the coaching staff is shocking (thanks to Al for pointing that out the other day), and now I do very much wonder how much it impacts the difference between last August/September and this year.
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by Brett Taylor on Jul 20, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions
NO WE EFFING DID NOT!
Don’t lump me into that B.S.
I was COMPLETELY unconvinced that Quade was the right man for the job. I said as much in the spring. I didn’t believe that a nice record at the end of a lost season should have been the be-all and end-all in the decision to hire a new manager. I didn’t think the players should have had a say on who the new man was. I think both factors being the main contributing factors was another strike against Hendry knowing his ass from a hole in the ground.
I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I KNOW i vociferously disagreed with you on here several times when you’d make comments like “Mike wants to tell players ahead of time whether they will be in the lineup the next day, that makes him the right man for the job”
Don’t claim we all fell for this bullshit.
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 20, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say all.
I always thought that record was more of an indictment on the players than a reflection of Quade.
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Garza
Why didn’t he take out Garza? It’s pretty common to leave the starting pitcher in who has pitched a shut out right? Garza even pitched a whole game recently so that was probably behind the decision as well. Also, the last time he took a pitcher out prematurealy he threw a fit and everyone questioned that.
Because he had thrown over 110 pitches and was clearly tiring.
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and
the last time he took a pitcher out prematurealy
that pitcher had 80 some odd pitches through 8 innings not 110 through 7
He never gets it right, does he?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 20, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
It's common to leave a pitcher in if he's cruising...
Garza had thrown a lot of pitches and got hit fairly hard in the 7th inning.
I was fine with him letting Garza pitch to one more batter in the 7th (to try to finish it and avoid “wasting” a reliever). But having Garza bat for himself in the 7th and then come out in the 9th (when he’d already thrown 110+ pitches and had been hit pretty decently in the 7th) was a bad decision.
Hit fairly hard?
Garza gave up 4 hits total last night – all with 2 strikes. In the 7th inning he gave up 2 weak hits.
Garza got Rollins on 2 pop-up and a fly out before that.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 20, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Two of those hits came in the seventh inning...
And the outs he got on Rollins were before he had reached 113 pitches.
And even beyond that, you’re still ignoring the fact that Garza had thrown a lot of pitches after the 7th, that Garza was leading off the 7th at the plate, and there were a series of guys who hit better against RHP than LHP coming up in the 8th.
That might explain why Marshall was called in...
At the first sign of struggle.
I really didn’t see the whole Garza got hit hard in the 7th part…He got hit…two whole ones even, but hit hard? Not so much.
by SenorGato on Jul 20, 2011 10:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Two hits in an inning is getting hit fairly hard...
combine that with the fact that he had thrown a bunch of pitches and we could have pinch hit for him in the 7th and we could have used Marshall to start the 8th, it made sense to take him out.
by SouthernCub on Jul 20, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I kind of agree with that.
But considering where he was with his pitch count, his terrible ability as a hitter and the fact that a pinch-hitter might have started a rally in the eighth …
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At least....
Garza is pitching very well in most of his starts. Just hope he’s still this good when/if the rest of the team finally figures out how to win games! Can it be 2012 already…. enough of this crap.
Do you guys seriously see Hendry (or who's ever in charge **crossing fingers**) getting rid of Quade.
I can really see the Cubs giving him excuses to why the team was as bad as they were this year and giving him another shot next year. This team will not contend until Quade is gone, period. I really don’t think Quade would win if he managed the Philies. The sooner he’s gone the sooner we can all move on and start to improve.
#10 You will be missed.
financial impact will be too great to keep both around
Ricketts would take a major hit if he keeps Hendry and Quade, who is gonna buy tickets next year?
by the way, will season tickets holder renew?
if tickets aren’t cut by at least 35% next year? Every ticket on stubhub for the most part is 25 to 50% below face for every game that’s not the Yankees or White Sox. So you can buy approx 70 of the 81 games way below face. Why keep paying those prices? Doesn’t make any sense.
That...
…. is an excellent question.
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I hope ticket brokers next year by less.
Is that possible? B/c they we could see what is closer to the real attendence as opposed to the one they announce
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm surprised the brokers bought as much as they did THIS year.
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question
I’m also curious it’s one thing to be on the wait list, but how many when it comes to actually put down the $$$ how many will? How many didn’t renew last year? Any idea if there were some turned down by people on waiting list?
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
I do know some people turned down season tickets. How many, I do not know, but there were some.
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I'm sure there are plenty of people who can't throw down the money when their spot comes up
I’m probably several decades from my spot turning up, but if mine were to somehow get here soon, I currently go to college in Florida and will for several more years, so I would never be able to buy them then. I’m just banking on the possibility that many years from now, I could be settled somewhere in the city, in the perfect situation for me.
We'll all miss you Ron.
How long have the people near the top been waiting?
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
35000ish
I should have clarified that better – definately not 30…
I am in the same boat as alkappy – if I am offered them in the next 10 years I wont be able to afford them and even then will be interesting (and probably pointless as I live in Des Moines) unless I get off my arse and goto law school
30,000 out of how many?
Better question might be 150,000 out of how many?
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
I signed up in 2006
I was 16946 then and now I’m 14112. I won’t be in a position to buy for about 3 years, so I’m hoping that timing works out.
by CubbieFaninOhio on Jul 20, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Woops. I'm actually 115,572.
Yippee! I don’t think I’ve moved up a spot in the 1 year I’ve been on the list…
We'll all miss you Ron.
So basically TR can sit back and smile a little bit with the attendence
Knowing that he will always have people who want season tix no matter how bad the team is. If your name is on that list… is it right to assume many of them will likely buying single game tix each year?
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe, but...
… after a season like this, how many of those people will buy season tickets unless the prices are significantly reduced?
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I also refuse to buy Cubs merchandise as long as they are part of the team
I don’t know how many people are doing the same as me on that front. I’m just one man, but it’s my form of protest. I refuse to give this team money.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010) and Ron Santo (February 25, 1940-December 2, 2010).
If you disagree with me in any way, you are wrong.
Boyfriends parents bought us Cubs/ Sox tickets
We actually saw Cubs win. Besides that we are doing the same thing as you. I’ll give them my time but not my $$$
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Same here MCF
And my kids are now Brewers fans because I can’t push them towards the Cubs. It would be too mean.
I still devote lots of time to them
It’s not like I could stop being a Cubs fan. Many casual fans can….. me not so much.
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
You're taking this game way too seriously
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 21, 2011 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions
No. They are old friends, and Hendry does not admit error so quickly.
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by D98 on Jul 20, 2011 11:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Boy
if us fans see this (Quades moves) What just i wonder do the players think? Man they are going to if not already give up on this guy.
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I thought you may have been posting pregame thread late, due just being disgusted with them. Not that it was accidental :(
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LOL
Nope. Yesterday’s was a system glitch. Should be fixed and everything on schedule today.
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Brenly on the handling of pitchers last night (said during broadcast):
“I would have handled it the exact same way.”
Weird Quade didn’t want to go to the bullpen that ended up letting 3 runs come across in 2 innings.
We'll all miss you Ron.
I think you're taking more from that than Brenly intended.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Brenly was referring to bringing in Marshall generally — that he was the right guy — not that Quade should have allowed Garza to hit and then start the eighth.
I thought Brenly was saying that Marshall was the right guy because of all the lefties in the Phillies lineup. Al’s main problem is not that Marshall was brought in, but that the way and the timing of how he was brought in.
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Correct.
Garza should have been pinch-hit for and Marshall should have started the 8th.
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I was under the impression he was talking about all of the pitching
but I could be mistaken, I suppose only Bob knows.
We'll all miss you Ron.
I was on the fence about the whole pitching change
But when I heard Bob say that I thought it was a fine decision, and then when Marshall blew it, I thought it was more proof he was correct to try to get more out of Garza.
We'll all miss you Ron.
But Al's not saying Quade was wrong to bring in Marshall.
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Here's why I think you're mistaken, kappy.
Bob’s comments came AFTER Marshall entered the game, and not in the seventh when Garza was hitting.
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However, if Brenly was that disgusted that Garza was hitting, he'd have said something.
It’s not exactly uncommon for BB to call out bad coaching if he disagrees.
Not necessarily.
Brenly can be extremely candid. But he isn’t always.
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Understood, and I'm not saying it was a good move because Brenly didn't say anything.
But he’s typically pretty vocal when he really doesn’t like the move.
That said, I think a double switch was in order, but unfortunately I see why Quade tried to get 8 out of Garza.
It's all symptomatic of having a bad team.
Quade didn’t have enough faith in his pen, so went to the well once too often, and paid for it.
The fact that Marshall pitched the ninth is pretty telling. Two months ago, there’s no way Wood or Marmol wouldn’t have been used, left-right matches be damned.
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Yup...
Bringing in Marshall to start the 8th made perfect sense:
1. Garza had struggled to get out of the 7th against the bottom of the Phillies’ order
2. Garza had a high pitch count and getting through the 8th would be pushing it into the 130 range
3. Garza was leading off the bottom of the 7th so you could pinch hit for him
4. Rollins and Martinez were leading off the 8th and both have hit RHP much better than LHP this year
5. Three of the next four hitters after that were LHB
Basically everything pointed in the direction of pinch hitting for Garza in the 7th and bringing Marshall in to start the 8th.
There's also the matter of allowing for a double-switch ...
which depleted the bench in a game that could have gone to extras. Hell, it would have been nice to have a right-handed guy to pinch hit in the ninth (other than Campana or Hill), but I guess that would have only worked if Quade had put DeWitt in for defense, too.
That was another move that didn’t make much sense. I get pinch-hitting for Baker (who had a bad night and doesn’t normally hit righties). But why waste two bench guys on that move in a tie game, especially when you know the Phillies closer is a lefty?
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Please tell all this to
Rollins, Martinez, and Utley – all switch-hitters or lefties who go hits off Sean Marshall last night.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 20, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Marshall didn't work out last night...
that doesn’t mean that going to Marshall sooner wasn’t the right move.
Well, they could have used Russell in the eighth.
And Marshall in the ninth.
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Also true...
the point remains though – going to the LHP (and pinch hitting for Garza in the 7th) was the right decision.
by SouthernCub on Jul 20, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Given Garza's pitch count and ability as a hitter, yes.
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Exactly...
taking everything into context, pulling Garza after the 7th (before his AB) was the right move. And bringing in one of the two solid LHRP pitchers in our pen to start the 8th was the right substitution.
by SouthernCub on Jul 20, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
The problem is
Garza AB was the problem.
Garza’s single to Rollins wasn’t the problem.
The problem was Marshall’s single to Martinez and then double to Utley.
Sorry, but I just can’t buy into the “if you PH for Garza, everything would have been great in the 8th inning.” line. Too convenient for me.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 20, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
youre right
the game could have ended exactly the same had we pulled Garza for a PH but 9 times out of 10 you HAVE to pull you SP there to give you a better than 4.5% chance of getting a baserunner out of Garza.
Right now Quade is managing to not lose rather than to win – in a game like this you NEED runs, lots of them not terrible hitting pitchers leading off the 7th of a 2 run ballgame
by hansman1982 on Jul 20, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm also still waiting ...
to find out why Marshall, after giving up the lead in the eighth, pitched the ninth, too.
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Should have sent in....
who? Russell? Marmol? Wood? Should I go with ANYONE?
Marshall did get 2 quick outs in the 9th
And let’s remember that Martinez’s “double” was a bloop hit. It wasn’t some rope to the wall.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 20, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
THEN YOU DON'T GET BASEBALL!!
QIAFI LOVER!!!!
Now Russell is set up man quality?
Did ANYPLACE on the Internet mock this guy more and insist more heavily that he is JUST a LOOGY?
My how things change when the power if hindsight and urge to complain are strong.
by SenorGato on Jul 20, 2011 10:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You're casting too wide a net.
I never had any problem with Russell being more than a LOOGY.. And I’ve been in the camp that maintains Russell doesn’t have a future as a starter, but that starting him was one of several limited options available to Quade in the immediate aftermath of the Cashner/Wells injuries.
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The role he would have been asked to play was essentially the lefty specialist role...
Since there were a series of guys who hit RHP better coming up.
You’ve been advocating Russell as a solid LH reliever for a while now. Are you just picking your spots to be antagonistic now? Since it doesn’t support the “we should never complain about anything the team does” mantra, you’re going to bash the idea of using Russell?
by SouthernCub on Jul 20, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
No, I was just pointing out the hilarity/hypocricy.
Why would you send out what…your 4th best reliever in the 8th inning to hold a 2-0 lead against the best team in baseball?
And while he would have been facing lefties in the 8th...
It’s still the 8th, which one of the best set up men in baseball usually pitches.
The bullpen blew it plain and simple…the best working reliever at that.
by SenorGato on Jul 20, 2011 10:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You're ignoring the fact that Marshall has struggled lately ...
and that he was allowed to pitch TWO innings. Why not bring Russell in for the ninth after Marshall gave up the lead?
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TWO innings? Holy crap...his arm must be mangled.
Why would you bring Russell into the 9th? Now all of a sudden Russell is a high leverage reliever in BCB eyes?
How long’s Marshall struggled for? 8 innings? 10 innings? When’s he allowed to work out of his very recent struggles?
The bullpen lost the game, but Quade didn't do any favors by making bad decisions...
Having Garza bat in the 7th was dumb given his pinch count, his inability to hit, the fact that he’d shown signs of fading in the 7th, and the string of LHB coming up in the 8th. Instead, Quade had Garza bat and then go out and give up a hit in the 8th before bringing in a reliever. That was bad managing.
You are absolutely correct that the team still should have won in spite of the bad managing. But this is yet another game (Al’s pointed out numerous examples this season) in which Quade didn’t put the team in the best position to win. Ignoring the managerial mistakes just because the rest of the team is also not performing well is short-sighted.
by SouthernCub on Jul 20, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Saying Russell could have faced batters who hit RHP better when the other options have been struggling is not saying he should become a set up man.
"I wasn’t asked to catch the ball and go out in the flats and run routes, because that wasn’t how our offense was," Lawrence Vickers said. "Now people are lying and people think I can’t catch. I guess I shouldn’t have started knocking people out."
even more hindsight
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 21, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions
that the plan failed does not mean the plan was bad, Marshall was bad
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 21, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Then Brenly must go too.
The treacherous fiend!
by SenorGato on Jul 20, 2011 10:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I literally started talking to myself when Quade let Garza bat
I was walking downstairs from the bleachers.. This was a HORRIBLE move. Garza is the worst hitting player in the entire MLB, he was clearly running in fumes and the ENTIRE bullpen was available. He leaves Mashall to 10 batters and the game winning hit is from a guy who already had a hit off him one inning before.
I actually have given the Quade some leeway on pitching moves, but last night was reason enough to get rid of him.
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Me either
I wish they had a webcam in the TV booth
I’d like to see Brenly’s facial expressions on some of the things that go on. Sometimes, I think he struggles to stay as PC as he can.
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I agree with you on all of this.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
Again... Quade puts his player ina position to fail
With very poor managing decisions in the late innings. It’s a theme around here.
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I'd like Quade replaced but Marshall and the offense blew the game.
How many runners left on again? They had a chance to knock Lee out in the first couple of innings. They blew it. Score two in the first and don’t tack on any runs. This was a team loss(minus Garza), again.
Cliff Lee is a tough customer.
I’ll give the offense a bit of a break last night. Very few teams score on Lee.
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Though as Al mentioned
They had a great chance to cash in more runs in the first (double, home run, double to lead off the game, right?) and they blew it.
I’m not blaming the offense for the loss but they could have definitely helped more than they did.
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Quade is...
Mike Quade is Jim Essian without facial hair.
I'm certainly not sticking up for Quade, but...
maybe he realizes that he can’t rely on the bullpen and a worn out Garza is better than a Marshall, Wood, Marmol, etc…Sometime in the middle of August I’d start shutting down Garza and Castro. Put Garza on a 75 pitches pitch count and give Castro about 3 days off a week. They’re really the only “future” of this team.
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You're saying Quade is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't?
I suppose there’s something to that. Maybe he figured the best move was to push Garza through the eighth because he couldn’t count on his pen to get through more than an inning. Marshall probably hasn’t pitched two innings very often this season, but with Marmol and Wood struggling …
That still doesn’t explain burning DeWitt AND Barney in order to pinch hit for Baker.
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It's just a bad team, el...
and unless they play a “perfect” game, there’s a pretty good chance that crap like what happened last night will beat them. Quade’s in over his head…the bullpen is garbage…they had a chance to put a hurtin’ on Lee early with runners on the corners and nobody out…you knew that was gonna bite them in the ass before that game was over. There’s really no use in second guessing this manager OR this team anymore this year…Ricketts has his work cut out for him come Oct. 1st. At least the NFL is about ready to get back to work, so, that’s a good thing.
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Ha -- I was just saying ...
how this is all symptomatic of a bad team. We agree again, Ed!
Still, the burning DeWitt and Barney for Baker makes NO sense.
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And Marshall did make a good pitch.
He jammed the guy and he ends up with a bloop hit. That’s baseball but it should never have come down to that. The offense should have scored more.
Of course, Marshall was responsible for three of the four runners who scored.
So even if Martinez blooped a good pitch, Marshall didn’t get the job done leading up to that at-bat.
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None of those hits in the 9th were really Marshall's fault.
The phillies made some tough contact on tough pitches and the balls found holes. There was even a breaking pitch on a 1-2 count I believe with 2 outs that was boarderline that Marshall didn’t get. Thems the breaks.
Of course, Marshall blew the save in the eighth.
Also, I’ve never been a big fan of excusing pitchers for a SERIES of good pitches that became hits. If Marshall came in with the bases loaded and somebody blooped a single, that’s one thing. But I think you’re stretching here.
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Yep...he gave it up
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Understood he blew it in the 8th.
I still don’t think any of the hits in the 9th were all that good, and most came with 2 strikes and were just contact swings that found holes.
you caused me to just look up his BABIP
its an insanely high .336 on the season against a career avg of .292 it isnt that he has been stinking up the joint he just has been unlucky to a degree
Also, prior to last night he has given up 1 ER in multi-inning relief appearances…1 walk in his 6 multi-run appearances – he is just getting unlucky
by hansman1982 on Jul 20, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, prior to last night he has given up 1 ER in multi-inning relief appearances…1 walk in his 6 multi-run appearances – he is just getting unlucky
More than likely he pitched well in the initial inning and was brought back for another.
"I wasn’t asked to catch the ball and go out in the flats and run routes, because that wasn’t how our offense was," Lawrence Vickers said. "Now people are lying and people think I can’t catch. I guess I shouldn’t have started knocking people out."
seriously?
Score more than 2 runs against Cliff Lee? Its not like we were facing a normal #2 starter – this is a guy who would be the Ace on 29 of the 30 teams…
When you've got 2 runs in the first 2 batters...
You should hope for more than 2 for the whole game, yes. I don’t care who you’re facing, they’re professional hitters, get it done.
I agree
that they’re professional hitters but we needed 3 more runs and that wasnt going to happen last night – this loss is on Quade and Marshall
I think this is too much blame on Quade after the fact
In the best of times this season with a 2-0 lead going into the bottom of the 7th, Quade would have had 4 options to pitch for the top of the 8th and 9th innings – SP, Marshall, Wood, and Marmol.
Now let’s take away some options. Mamol was not going to pitch last night. Wood has not looked great since the AS break and he was not going to face the lefties from Philly.
Quade was trying to get 1 or 2 more outs from Garza and then bring in Marshall for the 4-5 out save.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
He had the ENTIRE bullpen as an option
While I would likely avoid a few, Russell & Shark where viable options in the 8th. Letting Garza stay in and keeping Marshall in as long as he did were terrible choices.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 20, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
As was letting Garza bat for himself.
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And you have no idea if any of them would have done better
Marshall is considered the best pitcher in the Cubs bullpen and he gave up 5 hits last night. Sorry, but that doesn’t inspire me for the rest of the bullpen.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 20, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
But Marshall has struggled mightily lately.
Russell might have been the better choice in the eighth.
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And in the 9th??
I understand that Russell has gotten much better. Maybe Quade didn’t like the match-ups he saw vs. Russell. Maybe he wasn’t ready to put in that set-up role yet.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 20, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I totally agree that Quade might have had his reasons.
But letting Marshall pitch two innings was a mistake.
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with all due respect....
And I know that I’m entering the flames and in the minority here….but i felt like Quade made all the correct moves last night….Garza was dominant…..his pitch count was high and he put his best pitcher in the bullpen in Marshall. I’m thinking he wasn’t comfortable with Wood and Marmol which both have been shaky….
Now Marshall blew Garza’s gem…but idt anyone would expect he’d give up the lead in the 9th…well I wouldn’t.
Quade kept Garza in so he can preserve the bench just in case the game was headed for extras…maybe he thought a 2 run lead wasn’t good enough for this Phillies team to catch….
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by Unclemike on Jul 20, 2011 10:17 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
If he was so concerned about preserving his bench ...
he wouldn’t have burnt DeWitt and Barney to pinch hit for Baker.
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He looked bad last night.
Also, he doesn’t hit righties well (which makes you wonder why he’s untouchable).
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it only makes you wonder if you forget who the GM is
Hendry becames COMPLETELY enamored with players who do one thing well and offer very little real value.
See: Neifi Perez, Glendon Rusch, Koyie Hill
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 20, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
What did Neifi do well as a Cub?
Strike out? I mean, he wasn’t that good defensively by 2004-05.
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He had like a good month, and that was enough for Jim
I remember him actually claiming that Neifi and Glendon “saved” us….in a year where the club finished under .500
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 20, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
You might be confusing years.
Rusch was credited as being a valuable plug-in in 2004, when the team did finish 89-73. I don’t remember any Rusch gushing in 2005, when the Cubs were 79-83.
Now, there were comments in early 2005 about how Neifi saved the team after the Nomar injury. It’s true that Neifi had a pretty good start to that season — and that the Cubs didn’t really fall off until June-July.
I guess I point this out because I think Rusch gets unfairly thrown in with Neifi, mostly because Hendry handed them both ill-advised 2-year deals after 2005 as signs of loyalty.
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That wasn't Hendry.
Dusty was the one who said Neifi “saved us” (link).
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 20, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Good call.
It’s worth noting, again, that those comments were made in early 2005, when the Cubs were still in real contention and when Neifi had filled in pretty well for the injured Nomar.
Dusty probably wouldn’t have said Neifi ‘saved’ the Cubs after the season was over. But in early June, it wasn’t a completely laughable statement.
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After some additional research
It looks like Derrek Lee also said that Neifi “saved” the 2005 Cubs (link). That quote was also made early-ish in the season while the Cubs still had legitimate postseason hopes. On June 3 (the day of the article), the Cubs were three games over .500, and eight games ahead of the eventual wild-card winner (and NL Champion) Houston Astros.
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 20, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Right.
IIRC, Prior broke his arm around May 27 (my birthday!). Also, Neifi came back to earth as did Jeromy Burnitz (who started the year pretty well). I also think Hollandsworth got hurt.
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You are correct
It actually was on May 27. What a great birthday present you received!
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 20, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
If he didn't think a 2 run lead was good enough, then he shouldn't have allowed his
pitcher, who had well over 100 pitches through 7, lead off the 8th.
It’s funny when people defend Quade, and accidently point out his stupidity in the process
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 20, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
also seemed like...
There was plenty of Phillies fans there last night……never thought I’d see the day where I can hear phillie fans cheer and Wrigley and can clearly hear them…
Although my gut tells me that about a third of em are fairweathers….probably Cubs haters…Sox fans….or maybe disgruntled former Cubs fans that has had it with all the frustration….I just don’t believe Phillies fan nation is that deep….
Two Words: Salty Saltwell
by Unclemike on Jul 20, 2011 10:22 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Thats what happens when you win a World Series
Fans come out from every where. Instant fans as I call it. Boston has a ton of them also.
makes Cubs Nation so much sweeter i guess.....
I usually can’t stand fans from Philly especially since the Blackhawks won….
Two Words: Salty Saltwell
by Unclemike on Jul 20, 2011 11:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Mike Quade is on some other parallel universe
I actually think he is trying to get fired. But alas went to a AAA double header that is billed as 2 for Tuesday, $2 seats (any seat), $2 parking, $2 beer,
As usual simply had fun watching baseball played fairly well, long home runs, double plays, clutch hits and diving catches, and also a manager getting tossed out on a blown umpire call…(go figure)
Until Ricketts takes control of his deteriorating product on the field by removing those in charge and place individuals capable of making sensible decisions why anyone pay attention.
BTW, Detroit fan next to me said they would welcome Zambrano for dumping of Inge whom their radio announcers can’t stand….
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Just what the Cubs need
A 35-year-old third baseman. No, thanks.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I want no part of Inge...
well, I’d be fine with his defense, but not at the cost of having to watch him hit.
by SouthernCub on Jul 20, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
He is just brutal with the bat
Maybe a change of scenery would do him good, but no way in heck would I trade Z for him.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
CLAP. CLAP. CLAP.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2011 10:57 AM CDT reply actions
Avoid the clap.

Fasten those seat belts...
by katie casey on Jul 20, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
according to Ken Rosenthal, good chance for Hendry to be history
Ken Rosenthal, the senior baseball writer for FOXSports.com:
“ON THE HOT SEAT….
Jim Hendry, Cubs: Speculation persists that owner Tom Ricketts might hire Hall of Fame inductee Pat Gillick as club president. In theory, Gillick could retain Hendry, and the two could work together to fix the club. But the entire idea seems far-fetched; Cubs fans want change, and both Hendry and manager Mike Quade seem likely to be replaced.
The real intrigue would begin once Ricketts began his search for a new GM…..
White Sox assistant GM Rick Hahn is generally regarded as the game’s leading GM candidate, but many in the industry believe that the Cubs’ job also might draw interest from some of the game’s top current GMs.”
Speculation persists
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