Chicago Cubs vs. Milwaukee Brewers Preview, Thursday 7/28, 1:10 CT: Goodby, Kosuke, And Trusting Sources
by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2011 11:00 AM CDT
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PrintBy the time you read this, Kosuke Fukudome is likely to be a Cleveland Indian. SI.com's Jon Heyman has most of the necessary details:
theres agreement on fukudome to #indians, w/ just logistics to go. #cubs paying vast majority of fuku's $5M. #tradedeadline
The Cubs will receive two prospects from Cleveland, according to Cleveland Plain Dealer beat Writer Paul Hoynes:
#Indians prospects going to Cubs for Fukudome include one pitcher, one position player.
Hoynes further reported that the prospects would be "one upper level, one lower level". Meanwhile, Carrie Muskat tweets:
If Fukudome is dealt, Tyler Colvin could be called up to #Cubs
Fukudome was never quite the player everyone hoped he would be when he was signed to the multiyear deal before the 2008 season. He showed good plate discipline most of the time and played plus defense. But he never had much power, and his helicopter swing drove most of us crazy. It's time for the Cubs to move on, and they did. I think more deals are coming.
On to another important current topic.
In recent days I have posted some information I was told, mostly in confidence. Some of you have criticized doing that, and you do have some justification for doing so. I wish I could tell everyone here more, but I will not compromise my sources or betray trusts. That's the quickest way to NOT be trusted.
In any case, the point of this is twofold: first, I do still believe there will be some moves made by the Cubs before Sunday -- and maybe even after, because some of the moveable pieces on this team will clear waivers and can be traded during August, as Derrek Lee was last year.
The other point I wanted to make is this. While you may look at some of my information with skepticism, you might want to do the same with things you see elsewhere, particularly on Twitter. Remember that a couple of weeks ago, during the All-Star break, someone created a fake Twitter account posing as Mark Saxon, a reporter for ESPN Los Angeles, and tweeted that Aramis Ramirez was about to be sent to the Angels. This was picked up by sports talk radio stations -- it turned out to be false. I'd link to the fake tweets, but the account has been deleted.
Something similar happened earlier this week -- a fake Carlos Pena account was created, claiming he had been traded to the Yankees, something also picked up by some radio stations. Guess what? That account's been deleted, too.
And if you want to see how much havoc a fake tweeter can do, check out what one person did on Twitter this week after NFL free agency began and how fake tweets can cause all sorts of wrong and false information to get out.
Question what I write? Fine, but don't believe every breathless tweet you see, either. Especially this week.
Since I am on the road to Milwaukee right now, as you read this, I'm unable to post today's lineups. If you find them, post them in the comments. This is also a reminder that today's game recap will be delayed until after I return from Milwaukee, so probably early evening.
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Randy Wells had one of his better post-DL starts against the Brewers, on June 14 at Wrigley Field, allowing three runs (two earned) in six innings. The Cubs even won the game! (Sad, that I have to actually post that.) Current Brewers, though, are hitting .342 against Randy (39-for-114), so he'll have to bring his best game today.
Shaun Marcum has never faced the Cubs. The only current Cubs he has faced are Marlon Byrd (0-for-4) and Carlos Pena (1-for-12). Marcum's also left a couple of starts early with shoulder and neck trouble this year. Who knows when that might happen again?
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Today's first pitch thread will be up at 1:10 p.m. CDT and the overflow threads will post at 2 pm, 3 pm and 3:45 pm CDT. If you need more overflows due to extra innings or rain delays, post them in the fanshot section.
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Well, in my defense
It’s not merely that I question your sources (which I do), it’s that you rush in to breathlessly proclaim ANY other rumors or postings from even the most reputable writers as “speculation”
If you chilled on that, I think it would be easier to take your “stuff’s happening, just trust me” posts
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 13 recs
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As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I completely disagree..give it a break...
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Give what a break?
When have I been a jerk to Al about this?
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
It just seems pointless that's all.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
What exactly seems pointless ?
explaining to Al why we don’t agree with what he’s saying?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Alright then...
you do have the right to disagree and voice your opinion. My apologies.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
All those times leading up to now that you've said the Cubs wouldn't trade anybody
that they’d be idle at the deadline, and that they were deciding whether or not to be buyers or not, has been fun.
We'll all miss you Ron.
by alkappy on Jul 28, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I said I hoped I was wrong...it rarely happens....So I am happy about it and think there should be more.
I do not have the same expectations that you do about the Cubs front office.
RF DeWitt, SS Castro, 3B Ramirez, 1B Pena, CF Byrd, LF Soriano, 2B Barney, C Hill, P
by ubercubsfan on Jul 28, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't do that! I thought I was going to have to apologize to TJ
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
well you are not
Campana in RF leading off
by hansman1982 on Jul 28, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
He should just try to bunt everytime to get on base...
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
He's too small to hit..but I like the way you think.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Definately..
It’s time to give him a shot at redemption. Campana will never be more than a PR or possible defensive replacement. I love his enthusiasm though.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Reaction
DeWitt hitting cleanup? Not the first time, but Pena is in the bottom 1/14th of position players that I would bat 4th. I know, futile thoughts that don’t really matter.
by AboutTheCubs on Jul 28, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, it's probably true...
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Give me the keys...
"Sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes..."
by Phubbies on Jul 28, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who talks too much and just likes to con people?
HENDRY!
by ubercubsfan on Jul 28, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
This remids me...
I watched that movie he was in…um….i forget the name…on NetFlix streaming…it was meh.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Barney was in a movie?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
meet colin parker or some crap
steve zahn funny, the rest blah…Darwin Barney just smiles and fields grounders through the whole thing…
Good luck Kosuke
I have nothing but great things to say about him as a person and someone who gave his best all the time and achieved much on defense.
I probably would have just thought it to myself but I want to address Al’s “not quite the player we hoped he would be.” That is well phrased and I agree – I just would not want it to be considered criticism of Kosuke. Before Kosuke arrived, there was enough information to project how someone’s Japanese baseball stats would translate (short answer: OBA down the least and SLG down the most). The people in the Cubs organization who thought they were signing a middle of the order power bat, were wishing in spite of all available indicators. Kosuke played consistent with reasonable expectations. It is not his fault that the Cubs had unreasonable expectations and did not use him in a way that would maximize his strengths.
by WhistlerWilliams on Jul 28, 2011 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 11 recs
I agree with your sentiment and your general premise.
The ‘consistency’ part could be called into question… unless you are going by him being ‘consistent’ in slowing down after strong starts.
"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."
by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
Yeah, his season-to-season results were consistent...
and the manner in which he started off hot and faded quickly was consistent. But in terms of hitting solidly from April to August, he definitely wasn’t consistent.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
His hitting, which is what we needed
was the downfall. I don’t want to see that swing again.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Power bat?
I don’t think he was pictured as a “power bat”, but more of a Mark Grace type gap hitter. The Cubs had, and have, plenty of guys who can reach the seats on a fairly consistent basis, but what they lack is a guy who can consistently put the bat on the ball, get the clutch hit when they need it, hit the gap and keep rallies going. Milton Bradley wasn’t it and neither was Kosuke. In fact, it seems to be a talent that has greatly diminished across baseball in recent years.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
Sure, but only for bringing "slumpbusting" to the public's attention.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
yes but I would need to know how the events leading up to and size of the "slumpbuster" was...
and correlate the numbers after to see if it actually works…
He was considered to be a 20-25 homer guy when we signed him, with base stealing abilities as well
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Look how well that panned out..
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying I thought he would be that, but Ross is claiming he was never considered a power bat
He sort of was, and he was considered to be a much more complete player than Grace.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
That's how I remember it...
I’m not saying the OP is wrong, I just remember it differently. I seem to recall the comparisons being more Ichiro Suzuki than Hideki Matsui.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
I remember it the other way around
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I remember him being compared to Matsui...
and thinking that the comparison should have been to the other Matsui.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Hm, I don't really remember that.
I recall his power was projected as a bit of a mystery but the Cubs were hoping for a “total player” with some power, high OBP and great defense in right field.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
I remember the top Japan hitter being on the market..
but also seemingly past his prime and too expensive.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Piniella tossed out "a cross between Matsui and Ichiro"
Which everyone interpreted as more power than Ichiro and more defense than Matsui.
He was projected to have decent power 15-20 HR, 40 2B, great OBP, and great defense. Some were saying a .900+ OPS. I always though the power projections were too high (they always are with the Japanese players).
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, yeah, I do seem to recall Sweet Lou's comparison....
…now that you mention it. J.D. Drew was always the one that made the most sense to me. (Not that Kosuke ever lived up to it.)
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
The good version of Drew is exactly what people were expecting
Good power, good OBP, good defense, decent (but not overwhelming) speed.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
They weren't...
Most followers of Japanese baseball were of that opinion, but the Cubs frequently noted him as something of a bopper; more Bobby Abreu than Ichiro.
Consider this quote from Hendry at the time of the signing:
“We think we have the whole package. We feel we have a high-average player, a high-on-base-percentage player. He certainly has enough power, and he can hit the ball out of the ballpark. He’s a Gold Glove-caliber defender with a tremendous arm in right field, and he can steal bases.
by Damen Jackson on Jul 28, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Garza is a top 10 pitcher too
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?????????
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, he CAN hit the ball out of the ballpark.
Just not very often
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
BCB as a whole projected him at .297/.376/.481 with 19 HR
…which puts him as a near Abreu clone, as you describe.
You're underselling the expectations...
“Power bat” can mean more than 30-40 HR power. Fukudome wasn’t expected to be a 40 HR guy, but he was expected to be a 15-20 HR, 40ish 2B guy who could be a #3 hitter and consistent run producer from the left side. He hasn’t met that expectation.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I will remember all the hype that came with Fuk
and his great defense. I really wish it would have all worked out. Good luck, I hope we traded for a future all star.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Jul 28, 2011 11:12 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Dear Fukudome,
what a long strange trip its been. i hope to see you next year when you come back and play against us with your new team. Its been fun. remember that time you hit a homerun in your first game? yeah that was awesome. well sorry we didnt hang out as much as we said we would, but you know….anyway, have fun, and stay just the way you are.
thanks for the memories,
Eric
What are the odds that Fukudome leaves MLB and goes back to Japan?
That’s got to be a pretty good chance, right?
I guess it depends on what kind of contracts are offered and what he's willing to take
I think he’d be a pretty good 4th or 5th outfielder. He’s just not a starter.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he's a starter for a team wanting to win. He brings a good OBP
but he no power or speed, and he can’t really play CF, so he’s pretty bad for a corner outfielder on a contender.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
fair point...
i just think the Cubs needed him to do to much, we needed the power and the speed and the defense…which he didnt live up to which made us not like the contract which really made us not like him all the much, i think he’s got a chance to start or 4th outfield for a competitor….
I agree with all but the defense.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
He as bad defensively in center.
He was pretty good in right, and has a cannon arm.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree on that..
not a bad 4th corner OF to have around IMO.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
No, as a bench player I'd even take him back here
at a significant discount
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Possibility for next year?
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
ONLY at a big discount.
and ONLY if there is absolutely a guarantee he won’t back into getting a starting job again.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd almost rather have Reed for the 4th spot..
if healthy.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Johnson is a better fit...
considering he’s cheaper and more comfortable with the role.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
So would I. Big time
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Not at all likely
I’m guessing he’ll try to sign on as a starter or return to Japan. I can’t see him taking a huge pay cut to be a backup in a place where things didn’t work out.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a feeling...
…he’s going to try and hang on in MLB a couple more years. He did just buy some fairly expensive property here in Chicago, and I just get the impression he’s not quite ready to call it quits yet.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
At least it seems he likes to play the game..
sure he was overrated but not his fault. He wasn’t and still isn’t a terrible player. A good 4th OF.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, he still has some marketable skills as a player.
As mentioned above, his lack of power hurts him as a corner outfielder. But he can probably still help a team that has power in other places.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
Completely Agree
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
i don't care about the prospects.
I am really, really disappointed in the $$ savings. This has the same feeling as some of the past 2008-moves…. just doing something for the sake of doing something. Hopefully this Abner fellow will turn it around toot sweet. (sp.)
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
He seems to have power and speed
He just can’t get on base in his second year in High-A. The saving grace is that he’s still only 21.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 28, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
That's where I'm at. I would have been okay with receiving almost NOTHING in return
if it turned into some real salary savings.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
i dont get why everyone's "meh" about the whole thing...
he wasnt coming back, we werent gonna get type A or Type B draft picks back for him, we relieved some payroll we were going to have to pay either way, took a flier on some kids who may or may not work out…its not like we are contending….
Which is why I'm only "meh"
instead of “whatthefark?”
I would have liked more salary relief.
Again, not mad or sad, just “meh”
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
There wasn't too much salary savings to be had...
Fukudome had less than $5 million left on his deal. We were always going to have to pay some of it, so we’re talking about ~$2 million difference?
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Any savings plus prospects is a good thing.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I was expecting either nothing interesting in the way of prospects or no savings. Instead, Hendry managed both.
"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."
by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
that's why he's "Our Hendry"
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
How can you not care about the prospects..
we’re lucky to get anything out of this.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
This should quiet that crowd that wanted Abreu instead of Dome back in '08...
The Cubs are stocking the system with some great lineage – Abreu, Wallach, Gretzky.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
Hopefully he rebounds in Cleveland
Sad that he never panned out, I loved the beginning of the ‘08 season when he was literally a rockstar in chicago, I’ll always remember his first game when he hit that 3 run bomb off Eric Gagne to tie the game in the 9th
~Ronald Reagan has held the two most demeaning jobs in the country; President of the United States and radio broadcaster for the Chicago Cubs~ George F. Will
That was such a tease, wasn't it?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
dirty dirty dawg!!!
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Jul 28, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
It was and they still lost the game.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll always respect Kosuke Fukudome.
Although he did not produce enough to equal or exceed the value of his very generous contract, his long, patient at-bats and high OBP are skills we, as Cubs fans, rarely see. And he was, by and large, a steady, dependable defensive presence in right field. He was also a pure professional off the field — even during the worst of times. I wish him the best.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
by daver on Jul 28, 2011 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I miss dragonfantastic.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I miss Cubs teams that aren't embrassing to watch
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I miss you not being
a cootie filled whoppie cushion…
by hansman1982 on Jul 28, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll take that as a compliment
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he'll grace us with one last, farewell comment.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
At least he was fundamentally sound.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
He's a great 4th OF IMO..
or a replacement OF for injuries.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
He just started too good
he was billed as a solid .270 type of hitter with good defensive skills. We really got a .260 hitter but maybe a bit better defensively than what we thought too. The problem was he can only play about 80 to 90 games a season to be at his best. He starts hot and then cools. Wishing him success.
Maybe we traded Quade and named Dome the new manager!
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
DEAL!!!
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Buster
on ESPN said the Cubs were only paying 775K of remaining Fuk’s salary, not the “majority” as the Cleveland guy tweeted. Soooooo, who is right?
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
"The majority" is within $2 million of $775K...
I agree that it’s definitely better. But either way we’re not talking about a huge (in baseball terms) difference in salary savings.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
There seems to be some major confusion
Some are saying the Cubs are paying the majority, some are saying we’re paying all but $775K and some are saying we’re ONLY paying $775K
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
That entire range is about $3 million total
I’m not going to sweat about it whether it’s “only paying $775K” or “paying all but $775K”.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm guessing we're paying all but 775k,
but just a guess.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Buster also tweeted that the Cubs are paying most of the contract - he must have misspoke on TV.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
1 down,who's next?
Let’s freaking clean house! I’m glad it was Fuke and not Ramirez,that is all.
by bleedinblue76 on Jul 28, 2011 11:43 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Ramirez is still one of the best 3B in the game..
I do not want to see him traded.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I totally agree! If we can pay 4million to take our player we can pay 16million to keep him.
by bleedinblue76 on Jul 28, 2011 11:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This
Not to mention if you can put a team around him, he might have a reason to show up for most of the season instead of just a couple months.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
I'm assuming this is about Kosuke
and I don’t think “interest” is the reason he sucks after April.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Assumption wrong..
this was a reply fail, it was in response to keeping ARam.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
okay.......
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah..
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
From the Chicago Tribune
The Cubs will pick up most of the estimated $4.5 million remaining this season on Fukudome’s contract. In return, they received Triple-A right-handed reliever Carlton Smith, who has a 4.50 earned-run average, and Class-A outfielder Abner Abreu, who is hitting .244.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
Both prospects are garbage. So basically we paid 4 million to the Indians to take our garbage and they gave us some garbage back! Woohooo for garbage:)
by bleedinblue76 on Jul 28, 2011 11:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I just don't see how much more you could really ask for..
they taking chances on a couple kids. I’m content with that but I’m sure others differ in that opinion.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty much
Fukudome wasn’t providing anything to this team post-2011. Further, he was taking ABs away from guys like Colvin, who MIGHT provide something to the team post-2011 (I personally don’t have high hopes, but it’s stupid to just give up on him already). The team saved $750K to possibly reallocate to something useful like an amateur bonus, as well as opened up a spot for Colvin to play so the team can get a better feel for what he is.
I don't think that can be answere honestly.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
answered*
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is why we need to let him play here on out..
time to see while we have NO chance.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I can answer it honestly
5 walks in 203 ABs (the sight I’m on doesn’t seem to have PAs) in AAA this year. Colvin isn’t helping any team win anything at the AAA level let along the MLB level.
.270/.478/.748
Not the future. Or at least I hope that’s not the future.
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Are you out of your fucking mind? You think I'm just going to rape you on the off chance that hopefully you're into that shit?" - Louis CK
Nucks Misconduct's Prodigal Son, Chief Curmudgeon, and Chief Hunk.
by Section 312 on Jul 28, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well not that for the future..
but what else can we do but hope for the .1% he starts to improve before the end of the season.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
It's more the fact that his lack of plate patience isn't about THIS season
He didn’t have any plate patience last year either. Or the year before that in the minors.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think once the holes in his swing were found..
it was all downhill.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Problem is, his whole swing is a hole.
He’s a one trick pony that was figured out.
by ubercubsfan on Jul 28, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not exactly
Colvin’s K and BB percentages didn’t change much since last year: 2010 – 25.3% K, 7.6% BB. 2011 – 23.1% K, 7.7% BB. He’s just not hitting the ball hard when he does make contact. His BABIP fell from .296 last year to .116 this year.
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 28, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I am normally
an optimist when it comes to this team. Why else would I shell out money to watch them every day this year? But I have 0% hope that Colvin pans out as anything other than a 4th or 5th outfielder ala Matt Stairs.
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Are you out of your fucking mind? You think I'm just going to rape you on the off chance that hopefully you're into that shit?" - Louis CK
Nucks Misconduct's Prodigal Son, Chief Curmudgeon, and Chief Hunk.
by Section 312 on Jul 28, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
The stands are going to be empty when school starts
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Is that some really deep
metaphor about Colvin that is going right over my head?
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Are you out of your fucking mind? You think I'm just going to rape you on the off chance that hopefully you're into that shit?" - Louis CK
Nucks Misconduct's Prodigal Son, Chief Curmudgeon, and Chief Hunk.
by Section 312 on Jul 28, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I love that Louis CK reference in your sig
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
it just cracked up the wife too
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Thanks
it used to be Mac from Sunny talking about rape. Apparently I like rape jokes.
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Are you out of your fucking mind? You think I'm just going to rape you on the off chance that hopefully you're into that shit?" - Louis CK
Nucks Misconduct's Prodigal Son, Chief Curmudgeon, and Chief Hunk.
by Section 312 on Jul 28, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Just funny timing too
after getting yelled at this morning for leaving the front window open at night.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
He's certainly more than Fukodome
Now that might be a 0.1% vs. a 0.0% chance, but still.
Could be worse, they could be calling Lou Montanez back up.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jul 28, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
So you're saying there's a chance?!?!
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
there's a difference between colvin and montanez?
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Now, about 4 years...
Still a lot, sure.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't he say "I don't have high hopes"
Colvin has a chance (small chance) to be the future. Fukudome had no chance to be the future.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I never would have thought he'd be
in AAA most of the year with the team we started with..
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
This
I would guess that Colvin has about a 5% chance of being the RFer of the future. Fook has a 0% chance. May as well give the 5% guy a shot, while adding a couple “guys” to the organization and saving $750K.
Amen Ryno
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
One down
This team has been so bad this year that you really can’t stop and appreciate that we had productive offensive from 1-2 in the order. Probably not so much for the rest of the season. I think Quade should start going with Castro 1 and Barney 2 in the order. Not that this season matters.
I hope at least one of those prospects is really good, otherwise Cleveland should have paid a little more rent for Fukudome.
This is a sad day
When you remember all the excitement over Dome. Perhaps he should have realized things would not turn out when he hit a game tying home run in the 9th inning of his first game only to have the Cubs lose it in extras. He was exactly the kind of player I like. He gave 100% all the time, he was patient with the bat and played great defense. It was time for him to move on, but very sad.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 28, 2011 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I tend to like players who are.....better
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
It's hard to find the better..
and giving 100%..
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Like Colvin or DeWitt
to play RF?
I understand he did not live up to expectations, but he was not a disaster and the Cubs now lose their best defensive outfielder and most patient hitter. It had to be done but for those who think the rest of the season could not be worse, I expect you will find out it can.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 28, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It doesn't matter if its worse
Because the chances of competing are gone.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
goodbye fukudome
according to a shirt i have, you’ll always be my homie
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2011 11:56 AM CDT reply actions
Liked the guy.
Hard worker, great defense, on-base machine.
Hyped more than any Cubs player I can remember since Nomar.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Don't bring up Nomar..
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Nomar Nomar Nomar
Remember that time he hit the ball. And the other time he caught the ball. Then there was the time he threw the ball.
And the best, the part when he spent forever on the DL.
by Arbusto on Jul 28, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Your poem, it's beautiful.
I cried.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I promise you Corey still remembers me from the bleachers
late 2004 – My friends still talk about it today. I do not normally lose my cool at a game.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
yeah I was 24 - I never buy beer at a game but did
but was pretty bombed. I remember yelling to Corey about a situation in the game
“GET THE BUNT DOWN!!”
(btw – take an empty water bottle and fill it with your booze of choice – hides nicely in your belt on you back side – buy a soda and hit the bathroom stalls – never buy beer again!!)
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Patterson is with Theriot on the "right" side of the rivalry!
by ubercubsfan on Jul 28, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually still like Corey
Not really sure why. Maybe it’s because he’s so good at not clogging up the bases.
(ducks)
I like Corey too
loved watching him run
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
I like the plunger
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
If Ramirez really wants to win as a Cub, why not accept a trade and re sign in the offseason?
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
that rarely ever happens
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Then definitely get rid of him...
find a way to make it happen.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Today's lineup from Yahoo! has Kosuke in RF and leading off.
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 28, 2011 12:11 PM CDT reply actions
On loan?
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Jul 28, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks. In RF, I presume?
And is everything else they have (Castro, A-Ram, Peen-Yah, Byrd, Soto, Sori, Barney, Wells) the same?
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 28, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
that arm in RF
oh my
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
He could run it in..might be quicker.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Prediction:
Prince Fielder will go first to third on a single today.
BOOK IT!
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
good Luck Kosuke
you will be always be a part of the Cub family. you thrilled us with your Home runs and great catches Good Luck in Cleveland
Life is great....
I giggled..
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
The bar Wrigleyville North
If you get off at the Sheridan stop and go right its at the second stop sign. Byron. The owner was wearing one of those shirts – I never returned.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
well there's another $100 jersey gone worthless
"Ronald Reagan has held the two most demeaning jobs in the country; President of the United States and radio broadcaster for the Chicago Cubs."
Feh, what do you think these guys feel like?
"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd
by South Side Expat on Jul 28, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
like bigger asses
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought about that
back when Kerry Wood was traded after ‘08. Thought about getting a jersey since they were going on the cheap. Passed on it, really sorry I did now that he’s back on the team.
Thanks, Kosuke!
Sorry to see you go – we’ll miss your plate discipline and solid RF defense.
Unfortunately, now we’re down to two players who consistently work counts (Soto and Pena). And that may be down to one in a few days.
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 28, 2011 12:16 PM CDT reply actions
Wait you're forgetting...
oh that’s sad..
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
It is sad
Kosuke is second on the team with 46 walks. Even without playing the last two months here, he’ll finish the season no lower than third (Soto has 29 walks, no one else even has 20).
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 28, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, I knew it was bad, but not quite that bad..pathetic.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
look at Castro and Barney
It really is pathetic.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Jim Hendry approves!
No really, he does. This has been our offensive approach since he took over. I honestly believe he was so quick to fire Gerald Perry because despite publicly claiming he understood the team needed to have a more patient approach at the plate, he didn’t really buy into it.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You might be alone..
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Not so much
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
One less outfielder for next year though. Who's going to be playing RF?
I wouldn’t of minded signed Kosuke to a two year deal in the off season. The depth is going to be sorely lacking..
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 28, 2011 12:21 PM CDT reply actions
Could still happen..
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
And you think bringing him back would have made the depth better?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think the depth is lacking...
just the talent.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
which is my point
bringing back a guy who doesn’t fill a need – and with a two year contract to boot – doesn’t solve the problem. If you’re looking at just getting a 4th or 5th outfielder, there will be plenty of those available this winter.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree, I don't think it would be worth it..
it’s actually a small little area we don’t need.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
So what do you think the outfield is going to look like next year.
Is Jackson ready? Maybe LF-Soriano, Jackson-CF Byrd- RF. Are there any FA available who are quality?
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 28, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Me too
but I’d be very depressed should he be a everyday player.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think his body would allow that.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Keep Reed!
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
It could still be so many possibilities even after getting rid of Fuke
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they might trade Byrd too...
I think Byrd will go when (or before) Jackson is ready. I don’t think we’ll see Byrd and Jackson in the same OF.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
What are the chances Jackson ends up a corner outfielder anyway, with Scuzur coming up?
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Szczur is a ways away (if he makes it)
Right now, I think it’s still presumptuous that either makes it as a starter considering Jackson is struggling in AAA and Szczur isn’t dominating A+ ball.
If both make it, I would expect Szczur to be the CF. But I wouldn’t move Jackson to RF/LF until it’s clear that Szczur will be ready.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Man....that outfield looks bad.
We’re a long way from “Prince Fielder” from contending.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Beltran is the best
I’d be OK with Nick Swisher in RF. But watch the Cubs end up with Jeff Francoeur.
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 28, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
watch the Cubs end up with Reed Johnson
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
It's sad that I can't completely rule that out as a possibility
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 28, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
THIS
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Watch the Cubs move Koyie Hill to every day RF
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
He should pitch.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
His switch hitting means they never have to worry about match-ups
Because he’s always over-matched anyway.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Cubs should have signed Abreu years back
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
A lot of teams have had to say that...
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Colvin will get the shot he deserves the rest of the year.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't start, dude's got a real devotion to the man.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Now that's a ringing endorsement if ever I've seen one
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
It's the best I can do.
Although when I look at his walk rate, it does make me laugh.
Fire Jim Hendry.
It's not questioning...
your sources or what you do or don’t know. It’s more so why the heck you even bother writing “I’ve been told a trade is coming. I can’t say who, or when, or to where, but I’ve been told.” It’s almost like you’re trying to brag that you know people who are in the know. No one cares, and it’s entirely pointless to post something that just says “something is going to happen – trust me.”
Yippee!
CarrieMuskat Carrie Muskat
#Cubs motivation to move Fukudome: He wasn’t expected back in 2012 and want to give Colvin playing time
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 12:26 PM CDT reply actions
I don't hold out hope there.
However, now is as good a time as any to end the Colvin as starter debate.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
I do.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but I hold out faith in the man (boy)?
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
20 HRs man
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Anyone who slugged 500 in their rookie year, and hit 20 homers in under 400 at-bats, deserves many more opportunities.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, forgot this
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
his amazing AAA stint can attest to that
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
its my job
gotta get paid
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't disagree.
Give him a shot to answer the question. However players that strike out as much as he does and with 3 to 1 K/BB ratios don’t last very long. I think major league pitchers have figured him out.
He didn’t learn anything in AAA either as he has 5 walks compared with 55 strikeouts. That is incredibly bad.
However as I said, give him his chance.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Who's "he"?
It reads like Fukudome wants to give Colvin playing time. I don’t believe Fukudome has no trade rights, so I don’t know why that would be important.
Maybe the “he” is Hendry?
by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Come to think of it....
…I believe Kosuke does have a NTC. So he must’ve waived it, no?
And the second part of Carrie’s tweet should probably read, “…and [the Cubs] want to give Colvin playing time.”
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
Just went to Cot's
He does have no-trade protection, so he did approve this.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Can a player have a NTC to only certain teams??
Just curious..
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, it's called a limited no trade clause
They can waive it either way.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, it happens
Example – Michael Cuddyer (link).
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 28, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahh I see, thanks guys.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely
Here is all that Cot’s says: “no-trade protection”.
Cot’s isn’t always 100% correct as the contracts aren’t made public. They just aggregate the knowledge available to the best of their ability. However, since there are no stipulations here, I think it’s is a full NTC.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Seems like that's a buried detail in this whole story...
…and another reason to give Kosuke some props.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
Lineup
7/28): Campana RF, Castro SS, Ramirez 3B, Peña 1B, Byrd CF, Soto C, Soriano LF, Barney 2B, Wells P
"Go Cubs!"
The Cubs are playing today
What do I have saved on the DVR??
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
I wouldn’t worry to much..Wells vs Marcum nuff said.
by bleedinblue76 on Jul 28, 2011 12:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
the future looks grim...
This team really only has a few good pieces and sadly our farm system isn’t looking much better. Any word on Baez signing? He’s IMO the brightest spot we have at this time. Maybe I’m being pessimist though who knows.
by bleedinblue76 on Jul 28, 2011 12:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Word is we're signing Baez and everybody else worth signing
We may not know for sure until the signing deadline (because Bud Selig doesn’t like teams giving over-slot bonuses), but supposedly the Cubs are dumping a ton of money into this years draft, and Al and other posters here with sources claim most of the high-end picks will get signed.
Adios Dome
Ill miss ya – and thanks for almost getting me my assed kicked for defending you in Philly – Although Ill bet that POS fan will never yell G**K at another Japanese player.
First time I openly contested an idiot fan.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
It's a bit sad there wasn't a crowd of fans backing you up for that.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
even sadder they were backing HIM
His supporters “if this were a Bears Eagles game youd get your ass kicked”
I literally had to remove my Cubs gear and take a cab to the airport and not the train. Keep in mind they won the game by 1 run – the difference being a DeRosa foul ball being called a home run.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Wow, good for you for standing up to that ignorant person.
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Tyler Colvin...the one player that Adam Dunn can look at and say...
“Holy sh*t, kid, your batting average sucks.”
With the 1st pick in the 2012 Baseball Amateur Draft, the Chicago Cubs select...
by Easy Ed on Jul 28, 2011 12:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
HA!
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing." ~Warren Spahn
by KS_Cub4Life on Jul 28, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Funny how these trades go down
Was noodling about why Cleveland would want Fukudome instead of Reed Johnson. Out of the list of reasons, that I thought of , ability or perception of ability to play everyday and possibility of signing him for next year seemed the most plausible reasons. From the Cubs perspective, they might have another deal pending that involves Johnson or they might want to give Johnson another one-year deal for next season. Otherwise for the Cubs, with the same $ and prospects return, it shouldn’t have made any difference.
When you're getting Fukudome for nothing...
like Cleveland did, you go with Fukudome. Hell, they could still turn around and trade for Reed Johnson too if they wanted. lol
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I started thinking, similar to your last sentence, that Cleveland should have offered to take Reed Johnson and just pay all of his remaining salary; costing them less than Fukudome. The Cubs would still have wanted prospects back, but no reason to think the Indians would have had to fork-out more value; maybe even less. Johnson’s not durable, but he’s played well and can play any OF position.
by AboutTheCubs on Jul 28, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
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sweet - i guess Ricketts can make his payment for his car service
Sorry Metra
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
now they have the $ freed up to give Koyie another raise for next season
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah, he's going to command at least $3 million a year
because the pitchers love him
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't that how we ended up with Q?
The pitchers loved him
by LT on Jul 28, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
It has to work out sometime doesn't it?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Small deal, save some $$ and a wing and prayer on AAA
Always look to the A level prospect as something that might be a diamond in the rough…but Fukudome was not more than a role player to a contender…good defense, can play all OF spots but can play the toughest field w/o loss. Probably a more productive 8 or 9 position hitter in the AL with is OBA but what I had against Fukudome was his very poor RBI’s last I checked he had 13 RBI’s (with 3 HR’s, meaning he has driven in 10 RBI’s in over 100 games with other AB’s), that is not a corner OF role.
But this trade should be a start, the valuation of assets that the Cubs want to discard, save a few bucks and provide playing time for younger players.
Reality should be that Cubs might be willing to pay 90% of Soriano’s contract simply to provide another open spot. Z is another thing altogether he has value and Cubs need a starter to eat up innings. Ramirez has real value and if no one bites than move him to !B after doing what was conducted with Fukudome to Pena….opening a spot and possibly saving a few bucks.
Soto might be an off season trade.
Grabow would be a dump. But keeping Byrd and Johnson is important for next year’s young OF’ers.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Why move Ramirez to 1B?
If he’s staying, he should stay at 3B. We don’t have anyone ready at either spot, but 1B is the easier spot to fill via trade/free agency. If Ramirez will take a 3 year deal at a slightly reduced price, I’d rather keep him at 3B and work on finding our 1B.
actually we have a pair who should get playing time
Flaherty and LaMathieu
and Vitters after Sept 1
Moving Ramirez to 1B would tell the club if Ramirez is willing and able to play 1B and possibly extend his contract beyond 2012 (2013?)
This club is a long way from competing, they have to rebuild their rotation (FA, acquisitions and drafts) they have to puts seasons down to see if RJackson, Sczcur, Colvin, Ha, Golden or others can play at a high level along with any IF’ers and catchers.
Moving Ramirez to 1B would be part of a short term plan. If the best thing for the club is to move Castro to 3B and Barney to SS and have competition at 2B with Flaherty and LaMathieu than let us get going at it. If Lake is the real deal at SS than let us create value with Barney (whom I like) let us get on with it.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Those guys are all likely 2-3 years (if ever) from being productive 3B offensively
Flaherty is struggling a LOT in AAA. LeMahieu’s bat is a 2B bat right now (may eventually develop power, but that’s probably a few year’s away). Castro’s bat isn’t ready for 3B either (again, not enough power). And Vitters is putting up mediocre numbers in AA. None are ready to produce at 3B.
I think we’d be better off letting LeMahieu/Flaherty/Barney battle for 2B for the time being and sticking with Ramirez at 3B for another couple of years. That way we can either acquire a star at 1B or use a stopgap while we’re rebuilding. Then, if/when one or two of those guys proves capable of enough offense to play 3B, we let Ramirez go and move one of them over.
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