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here is what MLB Trade Rumors is saying:
The Indians are in serious talks for Cubs right fielder Kosuke Fukudome, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. With Shin-Soo Choo and Grady Sizemore on the DL, the Tribe has a clear need for outfield help.
Fukudome, 34, is hitting .273/.374/.369 in 345 plate appearances for the Cubs this year. Though his right field defense drew praise initially, he’s been below-average per UZR over the last few years.
this is the full article for them.
Why isnt Jim getting this done NOW!!!!!!!
We do not need much back……
If Dome is still on this team after the deadline with other teams going hard after him, its another example of players being overvalued…….
Given who we are dealing with I will be shocked if this gets done.
I hope I am wrong.
Yeah, I don't really care about the return, I just want to open up space for Jackson or Colvin.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I see no reason to keep Dome as he won't be around next year
but i do not look forward to either Colvin or Jackson at this point.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 28, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I would like to see
what Colvin can do up here with a month of uninterrupted playing time and if he sucks you slide Byrd to RF and play Jackson for a month in CF
He's terrible in AAA, why would you want to call him up now??
Sometimes it feels like people pine for names, not for production.
so...who do you call up?
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
no one is.
And the point is, you got awful snarky when there isn’t an obvious alternative
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Because playing with a 24 man roster is dumb?
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
who? I straight asked you and you came up blank
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd be okay with that.
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
That's not an actual answer to my question
You seem to be arguing that they have to call someone up (a point I have no disagreement with).
bdlugz (and I) are arguing that we don’t understand why people are in such a hurry to see Colvin and Jackson in the lineup (given how they’re struggling in AAA) over Fukudome and Byrd.
This....
Rushing up people who aren’t ready is not a good recipe for success.
You keep saying that. You keep saying it in a snarky way
and yet, you acknowledge that there isn’t really a better answer.
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
How is he "not ready"?
An 800+ OPS with about 400 at bats in a major league season isn’t ready?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
All evidence to the contrary so far in Iowa
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I’m trying to be optimistic given that he’s coming up.
You need to stop being so combative...
Jumping on me above for something you actually agree with? Yikes.
I actually jumped on you because you were incredibly snarky
and you’re USUALLY incredibly snarky
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
If you're referring to my "pines for names, not production"
That was an honest thought, not snark. People tend to fall in love with players and are sometimes blind to their uninspiring play.
It wasn’t meant to be snarky at all, not sure if that’s what you took that way. Sorry if you did?
If not, it's gotta be the smallest strike zone ever.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
Wasn't this guy forced out/retire by the commissioner at the time?
by ubercubsfan on Jul 28, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe you are right.
Fasten those seat belts...
by katie casey on Jul 28, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I wanna say...
…that was his only at-bat. It was a publicity stunt by Bill Veeck, I believe. (Could be wrong.)
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
Eddie Gaedel's contract was voided the following day...
…by AL President Will Harridge. In the middle of this game in 1951, with no instant communication available, home plate ump Ed Hurley decided he had no choice but to honor the contract that Gaedel showed him before stepping into the batter’s box.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
Well, at least I was right about one thing today.
Thanks!
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
I just would like to
give him the full-time starting opportunity up here to see what he can do, if he sucks then ship him back to AAA next year and he is probably a AA+ player – not like there is a prospect that is super-hot right now that he would be blocking
I'm in no hurry to bring up Jackson and Colvin right now...
Jackson’s AAA line: 58 PA, 3 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, .204/.298/.367 (.666 OPS), 7 BB, 21 K
The BB rate and ISO are nice, but the K rate is way too high and the AVG is way too low. I haven’t seen much to suggest he’s ready to come up.
Colvin’s AAA line: 212 PA, 12 2B, 6 3B, 7 HR, .256/.270/.478 (.748 OPS), 5 BB, 55 K
The ISO is fantastic, but the AVG is too low and K rate are too high for his experience level, the BB rate is way too low for anyone.
Jackson certainly has potential and Colvin has power, but I don’t think either should be on a fast track to the big leagues this year.
I think you would want to bring up Colvin
so that he could be trained by The Franchise…
er, I mean so you could get a solid 2 month look at him in RF…
Colvin has already proven he can do it in the big leagues.
Just call him up and start him everyday. Who do you insist on playing? DeWitt?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Colvin proved he can get hot over a 5 week stretch. He's been entirely below average the rest of the time up here.
This year shows he has been figured out, and he needs to stay in AAA until he fixes his swing.
Or maybe this year was a bad year?
I don’t see why he isn’t the best option available.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
He's the best option available now that Fukudome is gone...
That doesn’t necessarily make him a good option.
I’m more than willing to see what he can do in the second half this year. But given his performance in AAA this year, I’m not expecting a ton right now. He clearly has power – it’s just a question of whether he will ever show the plate discipline to use it.
He walked a decent amount of times last year.
But hasn’t done so at AAA. Do you think it’s possible he’s anxious to do really well and get back to the majors?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
That's always a possibility
But I wouldn’t assume it to be the case.
Yes well we'll never know without seeing again.
At 26 coming off a rookie season where he hit 20 HRs we could probably spare the time to give him a look.
Unless the concern is that he needs to re-find his swing...
in which case, bringing him back when he’s struggling in AAA might not be good for him.
Honestly, I’m not heavily invested either way on Colvin at this point. 2-3 months ago I was in favor of giving him regular playing time at the MLB level. But since going back to AAA, he’s struggled, which concerns me.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
He's also proven he can struggle in MLB and AAA this year...
I’m fine with giving Colvin a second chance this year. I’m just saying that he hasn’t exactly beaten down the door for more MLB playing time this year.
Colvin has proved that? When?
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 28, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
He proved that he was, like, one of the best hitters on the team last year?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Too bad that won't happen.
Even if he is traded, our manager hasn’t given Colvin much of a chance at all (like Piniella). Batting him 8th (in the rare cases that he played) where he gets NOTHING to hit is no way to develop a young player. Other teams show confidence and support for their young prospects, but it’s more important for us to watch Soriano swing at balls in the dirt, Byrd swinging at EVERYTHING, and Fukudome’s average plummeting to the .250’s while leading off (for some unknown reason).
MARK MY WORDS: Tomorrow it will be Blake DeWitt leading off and playing RF. WRITE IT DOWN!!!!!
That would be a horrifically bad choice.
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Thus, quite believable
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
No, he's better than Soriano
If he was given a chance he would show that. Under Sandberg he probably would have.
by TheGrinch13 on Jul 28, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, you can see into alternate universes?
His numbers are worse at AAA than Soriano in the majors… thoughts on that?
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
so why does he suck so bad in AAA?
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 28, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
No Sandberg
Didn’t you read the part where Sandberg is the difference?
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
colvin's downfall is his distinct lack of gutz and clutchiness
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Why isnt Jim getting this done NOW!!!!!!!
It appears that he is, TJ. What, he should have done it an hour ago because you posted a few exclamation points?
Sheesh. If it gets done today, will that be good enough for you?
Based on these tweets, plus what I heard last weekend, I think this gets done before Sunday. Good enough for you, TJ?
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Weren't the Indians trying to get Beltran?
No way they would trade for Fukodome until Beltran got traded.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jul 28, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
As I said, I hope I am wrong....
Lets say Dome is still here on Monday, with the Indians going hard after him….
Should Hendry go then?
The deal is done TJ
this hypothetical doesn’t make any sense
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure who he is
but DKnobler (and retweeted by MLBTradeRumors):
Actually Fukudome to Indians better than just a chance. Very close to happening.
Knobler is a writer for CBSSports.com
… and I think this is going to happen, soon.
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Who do you think the Cubs will call up?
Colvin? He’s certainly doing better than Jackson.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I would
let him play until the final trade deadline and if he is doing well ship off Byrd and play Jackson full time in Sept.
Update from Buster Olney.
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
The Cubs are closing in on a deal with the Indians for Kosuke Fukudome; not finished yet, but nearing the 1-yard-line.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:04 AM CDT reply actions
Not really an update.
Just rewording the same information.
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Dude, you get really snarky when discussing trades.
Are you aware of that?
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was kind of thinking the same thing.
In my opinion, Buster’s tweet makes it sound closer to completion than Rosenthal’s, so I’d call it an update.
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Jul 28, 2011 9:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
and beyond that, Al's comment wasn't really needed
It’s splitting hairs.
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Buster's tweet certainly makes it sound closer to completion than the original one IMO.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
would it be more appropriate to
say the deal is rounding 3rd,,as opposed to at the 1 yard line?
by cozmotaylor123 on Jul 28, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
No, DeJesus sends everybody.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
See ya Fukudome
we will miss your patience but not your streakiness…COLVIN COLVIN COLVIN COLVIN!!!!!!!
I think I'd rather see Jackson.
We’ll see.
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see above
I would rather use this time to get an extended look at Colvin playing RF EVERY day….knowing Quade he would probably put Soriano in right and DeWitt in left
WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE?
Bobby Scales?
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm fine with calling Colvin up
…because anything else would require a 40-man roster move. I’m just not sure he needs an “extended look” as the every day right fielder. Platoon him – put him in situations to succeed.
Platoon him with who?
I’m honestly asking. We just gave away his previous “platoon” partner.
Baker?
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Fukudome wasn't really a platoon option with Colvin (in theory) anyway
As they both bat LH. Baker would be the theoretical platoon partner. But again, I think it’s a matter of whether Colvin can hit at all. When he has hit, he’s hit both LHP and RHP. When he has struggled, he hasn’t hit either.
It wasn't a platoon option with Colvin that made sense
but it is how the club opened the season. There isn’t another right fielder on the club right now.
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Baker is who I was thinking
SC is right though, that Colvin’s splits don’t really make him ideal for a platoon, so I was wrong about that anyway. We’re probably better off with Baker in right every day and Colvin on the bench. I’m not convinced that it will help Colvin develop by having him flail at major league breaking balls every day.
This is a common misconception with Colvin...
he doesn’t really have platoon splits. It’s just a question of whether he can hit at all.
If he returns to 2010 form, there’s no need for a platoon. If he doesn’t, there’s no value in playing him at all.
Things happen, man.
Why has Chris Carpenter been better in the majors than AAA?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough, how about James Russell?
He sucked brutally in Iowa last year.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok, Marcos Mateo has pitched out of the pen in Chicago and Iowa, has nearly the same amount of innings, but worse stats in Iowa.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Small sample size, and it depends on what stats you look at...
his FIP in Iowa is similar to what his FIP in MLB is (perhaps slightly better in Iowa?).
Regardless, I’m not sure what your point is here. I’m sure if we try hard enough, we can find a guy who had better MLB success than AAA success. So yes – it’s possible Colvin could do better in MLB than AAA. That doesn’t mean it’s the likely outcome.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't mean he sucks, like most here think, either.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
But...
he does, in comparison to most MLB players. In his ENTIRE professional career, he has had one good year, which was last. When players are called up and start mashing the ball unexpectedly, it’s usually attributed to a fluke. The league has figured out his weaknesses, including his propensity to whiff at good breaking balls and now he doesn’t offer much production. Unless he adjust in one way or another, he’ll never be very useful. From what I have heard and seen, he simply isn’t making those adjustments.
Exactly...
There are countless examples of guys who had one nice flash-in-the-pan year. I’m not saying Colvin is definitely a flash in the pan. I’m just saying that I don’t think his performance this year (or over the course of his entire career) suggests he’s going to be a successful MLBer moving forward.
Hopefully he can regain his 2010 form and prove me wrong. But I don’t think what he’s done to this point this year (and prior to 2010) suggests otherwise.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand why.
What do you expect in the majors from a guy barely hitting over 200 in the minors? Sure, Colvin isn’t really producing either, but at least he’s proven at the major league level.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't...
he’s struggling in AAA right now after struggling in AA in June following the injury. I don’t see any reason to expect positive results from him if he was called up this year.
I think he can turn out to be a very productive MLB player, but his last two months haven’t suggested MLB ready yet.
I would rather see Aducci
I think he would play better now and I think Colvin & Jackson are just not going to play well.
I am always torn between guys who are not MLB ready and the idea that they should probably get some experience. I get that in a lost season you have nothing to lose by playing them, I do worry it could have some long term effect when you bring up guys who are not ready.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 28, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Adduci?
Why? He’s not a prospect and not part of this team’s future.
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In this case you are not entirely wrong
a 4th/5th OF is exactly what I think the Cubs should bring up, not guys they want to be starters in the future who are simply not ready. It is my impression Aducci is a good fielder 3 of the other 4 fielders are not that good, I would like someone who can play defense and hit a little.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 28, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
This team is going to need a GOOD fielding OF
and per above I don’t want Colvin or Jackson. Montenez is OK, but Adduci others more options. I mean Golden is hopefully a part of the teams future but that does not mean he is ready now.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 28, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
But you won't get either.
As I said above: DEWITT WILL BE LEADING OFF AND PLAYING RF IN TOMORROW’S LINE-UP. WRITE IT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unless you're Mike Quade posting in disguise, I suspect you're wrong.
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That's where Castro belongs.
I remember when he led off for the first time in Milwaukee and hit a 2B, 3B, and stole a few bases, and then the next day he was OUT OF THE LEAD-OFF SPOT! Head scratcher there….
no castro does not belong in the leadoff slot
he is far too much of a hacker to succeed there long term as teams figure out that you just need to start pushing the pitches out further and further to get him to swing at increasingly higher amounts of garbage.
So you like Colvin but call Castro a hacker and say you can just throw outside to get him out?
Confused…
Castro doesnt take many pitches
and relies on his ability to make contact to work counts…
I dont necessarily “like” Colvin I just want to see him get playing time to see if he can truly be useful or if we need to buy him a ticket to Japan.
He can be useful, trust me.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I really can't.
You’re completely ignoring this season, in favor of last season. The jury is most decidedly OUT on Colvin
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
And you're completely ignoring last season, in favor of this season.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
herp de derp?
You’re the one guaranteeing he can be useful, while completely ignoring that he hasn’t been useful AT ALL this season.
I’m the one saying the jury is out. Meaning I’m NOT ignoring last season, I’m simply not sold he’s “proven”
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
What kind of a chance was he given to play everyday?
None at all, and I’m willing to weigh 400 at bats as a starter over 100 at bats coming off the bench and starting, like, once a week.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
He has over 200 ABs in the minors right now
And is hitting .256/.270/.478 with 5 walks and 55 strike outs…
That’s not a small sample size and it’s an easier league… by a LOT.
I said I'd call up Montanez for now.
Give Colven more time in AAA, and no need to rush Jackson.
And I'm willing to dismiss that for a 500 slg season in the majors.
He deserves another shot, and he’s all we have. I, for one, believe that he will end up a great player some day.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Zero reason not to let him play everyday for a month....
Unless you are the Cubs and have to play DeWitt
Or you believe doing so will actually further harm his development
considering he can’t handle minor league pitching right now.
There are reasons TJ, no matter how much you hate management
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
he apparently forgets
that Colvin was batting below .100 when DeWitt started playing LF, but dont let that get in the way of the talking points.
by hansman1982 on Jul 28, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
That is not correct....Colvin was in the minors when that crap started....
When they brought him back they kept DeWitt out there….Colvin was brought back when Soriano got hurt.
Try to keep up
What the fuck are you even talking about?
When WHAT crap started? He was in the minors when he started not being able to hit minor league pitching?
What the hell point are you even arguing with me?
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
great?...Not pretty good...but great?
Are you dating him?
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup, you got me.
I’m dating him. Because on the scale of adjectives, Tyler Colvin will surely never be described as “great.” I should have picked a better adjective, other than a reknowned word for “good”. Tyler Colvin will be a good player? Happy?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to try this exactly one more time.
You’re saying Colvin is OF COURSE going to be useful, no doubt in your mind…based on ONE season.
I’m saying I’m not so sure he is.
It’s worth pointing out that his treatment at the beginning of this year is almost IDENTICAL to his treatment at the beginning of last year and he played much better last year.
Maybe the uneven playing time isn’t the problem. Maybe he is a flash in the pan. Can you admit that’s a possibility?
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
When did I say that he OF COURSE will be useful?
Are you even reading my comments, or just dismissing them for what you want to believe?
He can be useful, trust me.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
But nice try.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
"He can be useful, trust me."
I’m sorry, can you explain what, if you aren’t guaranteeing that he’ll be useful, that I’m suspect to trust you on?
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Montanez
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you know what CAN means?
Usually meaning “has the potential.” Have you ever told a kid he can be a major league baseball player? Does that mean he will become one?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Trust me, pigs can fly out of my butt.
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Good one, got me there!
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Question:
How on earth do you get them up there? Do you have a super supply of lubrication of some sort?
by ubercubsfan on Jul 28, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Trust me
you don’t really want to know
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
He's 3rd in MLB in hits.
I’d say that is a good enough stat for a lead-off man, plus he hardly ever gets thrown out stealing. This team plays station-to-station baseball except for when Campana is on base. It’s time to change things if you want to start scoring runs.
Plus, Quade playing Castro in the 3-hole was doing nothing but ruining him, just like Colvin got ruined. Barney is one of our leading hitters with runners in scoring position and he hits 8th. Pure genius….
I think that hit count is a terrible stat...
OBP and taking pitches are the primary value for a leadoff man. Castro’s OBP is mediocre and his pitch-taking skills are suspect.
Castro had a nice hot stretch that coincided with his time at leadoff this year. But I think that’s coincidence more than a causal relationship. And his skill set is not suited to leading off.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd play Montanez in order to give Colvin and Jackson time to fix their swings.
Not like we’re going anywhere anyway, and no need to hurt development.
TJ is usually right when it comes to predicting the Cubs actions.....
I hope to hear Dome is traded today along with Pena and many others…
But if there is a way to screw it up, the Cubs will find it…
TJ's next act better not be talking in the 3rd person
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
nice
speaking in 3rd person…
oh and you are right that Dome was traded…you’re a GENIUS!
by hansman1982 on Jul 28, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is going to be one ugly fielding OF
At least Marlon is in CF.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 28, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
For now...
Byrd is one of the few starters remaining that could be fairly easily traded (among guys who we might realistically consider trading).
I think it will be either him or Pena
and that will probably be all for the Cubs this year…too many untradeables, untouchables and unproductiveables
DeWitt, Campana, Colvin
Don’t think you could pay me to watch that OF
I'd rather watch that then
Soriano, Byrd, and Fukudome.
by TheGrinch13 on Jul 28, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
For about a week, then you'd realize you were just bitter and the one above is actually FAR worse.
by bdlugz on Jul 28, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry but that is crazy
unless you just enjoy watching balls drop everywhere in the OF.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 28, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Andy Dick does
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
that's unfair to crazy people
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jul 28, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, hopefully he does better in Chicago than he did in Iowa...
I can only assume he’ll get the everyday RF role at this point (assuming the trade is official).
Yeah right.
He’ll rot on the bench like always while DeWitt plays. That is a sure thing as long as Quade is our manager.
The Grinch is correct....we already saw earlier in the year, Colvin watch DeWitt in LF.....
But if thats what you guys want to see…
If it ISN'T what they want to see...would that affect what happens?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Even though Colvin has sucked this season
bring him up, play him regularly and find out once and for all if he is worthy of a roster spot.
Bring up BJackson later.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jul 28, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Buster again.
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Cubs get 2 prospects; presumably the Cubs will kick in chunk of almost $5 million owed to Fukudome. Deal likely done by gametime today.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:11 AM CDT reply actions
I'm going to assume
These 2 prospects won’t be anyone to get more than mildly excited about. But I guess you never know.
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Jul 28, 2011 9:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
let's just be glad
that we won’t have to watch the whirly-bird swing at a pitch low and in after watching two pitches go right down the middle, or his tap outs to the first baseman.
Hopefully this means that the prospects involved are at least mildly interesting.
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I would be happy to get a bucket of balls...
AS long as Colvin is playing and NOT DeWitt…
But again it is the Cubs…..
Interesting comments over at the "Lets Go Tribe" site about Fukudome:
Okay so we still need a bat. right?
This one is in regards to Fukudome having speed – another poster pointed out that Fukudome doesnt have speed:
really just assumed since he batted lead off for the Cubs.
Wrong Cub.
Are we staying tuned for a Fukodome announcement? Because if that’s the case I’ll probably change the station.
Hopefully they make you chuckle
Al, when you said big changes COULD be coming, I hope Fukudome's trade isn't it.
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
It's a minor deal cause he wasn't coming back anyways.
But yes, it’s one change.
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Jul 28, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
It's still three days till the deadline.
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I really hope your source is right.
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by lexmarklover on Jul 28, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
He's right, trust me.
I just checked my calendar. It’s definitely three days.
by Fresca on Jul 28, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
you dirty dirty dog ...
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by lexmarklover on Jul 28, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Did anyone else see this? Are these guys reliable?
cubsbuzztap Chicago Cubs Buzz
Bleacher Nation >> It Looks Increasingly Likely that the Chicago Cubs Will Trade Carlos Zambrano http://buzztap.com/-Ogi0cV
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anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:36 AM CDT reply actions
Bleacher Nation is done by a member of BCB.
All of what he writes is plausible, but his own speculaton.
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Indeed
I write BN – the Zambrano post is not based on “sources.” It’s my take, based on the mounting evidence, that the odds Zambrano is a Cub in 2012 are slimming rapidly.
Bleacher Nation - Cubs Rumors and News
by Brett Taylor on Jul 28, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Reliability isn't the issue
they aren’t “hearing” things, they’re just guessing based on the usual “clues”
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I edited this post to reflect that the trade is just about done.
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Today's game is at 1:10.
Day game. It won’t be DeWitt. You’ve almost never been right.
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TJ? Did you get a new screen name?
I think the same post three times in one thread should just about do it.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Rumor has it they just signed Jake Fox to play RF
HOW EXCITING!!
SWL'd.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
by daver on Jul 28, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Yeah, Fox has kicked butt since leaving the Cubs!
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jul 28, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
He's TJ 2.0...
He probably doesn’t even like Santa Clause.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
We can tell.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
you forgot to use the sarcasm font
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jul 28, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Breaking the Ice
Trading Fukudome is an ice breaker for the Cubs. Hopefully, they can get frisky and hit a HR by trading Soriano.
"The standard is the standard" Mike Tomlin
Not sure who Paul Hoynes is but
this was retweeted by MLB Trade Rumors:
Prospects #Indians giving up for Fukudome: one upper level, one lower level.
Jason Kipnis!
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anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Obviously not, but if they actually get a top level prospect I'll be pleasantly surprised
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I think they're referring to the league in which the prospect is currently playing.
I could be wrong, though. I think this means an AAA player and an A player.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
That's the way I read it as well: one guy from A/A- and one guy from AA/AAA
nothing specific one way or the other about quality of player.
If this is indeed true, Hendry did well.
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Jul 28, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice!
Prospects #Indians giving up for Fukudome: one upper level, one lower level.
We'll all miss you Ron.
Going out on a limb there, Carrie, considering Colvin is reportedly already in Milwaukee.
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He's probably getting his place warm on the bench.
Except for when he bats each day against the other team’s closer.
Welcome back, my boy.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I love how all her tweets could literally be written by ANYONE
The woman has access to the Cubs front office and she literally still has to deal with “could” and “if”
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
When is Carrie going to report real news?
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Jul 28, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
never.
the answer is never
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
to be fair, she CLEARLY picks the dumbest ones of the bunch
but after about say…..three mailbags, wouldn’t it become obvious it’s not worth writing her questions?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I think I read 3 mailbags ever... they're unbelievably painful to get through and make me proud to be a member here.
Don’t always agree with everything said here, but even the most out of the loop people here look like pure geniuses compared to her blogs.
I used to read her stuff
before I found this site…
by hansman1982 on Jul 28, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Come on. Obfuscation and misdirection are KINDS of news.....
….also lineups.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
In discussing the return for Fukudome, let's not lose sight of what is important.
None of us will ever again have to watch a Cub player screw himself into the ground while striking out like that. When you think about it that way, the return is kind of irrelevant.
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Don't jinx it.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
or tap out to the first baseman three times in a game.
Maybe Quade will wake up and put Castro in the lead-off spot now, but I doubt it. Somebody please tell him that you don’t have to bat the RF 1st, SS 2nd, 3B 3rd, 1B 4th and so on….you can change things based on players’ abilities. Castro can steal bases, so please don’t bat him behind another statue.
isnt it amazing how
the negative nancy’s of this site who do nothing but bash the org always agree on something else:
I’m Right
Ok, we get it, you can look at this team and successfully deduce that it isnt very good, congratulations, I can do that too!
by hansman1982 on Jul 28, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Can't I at least be called a Negative Norton?
Do I have to get a girl’s name as added insult?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
just sit down and shut up
Rebecca (and not hot Rebecca Romijn but Rebecca from Cheers at the end when she was getting far to overweight)
by hansman1982 on Jul 28, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
sob!
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Fukudome
Has 13 rbi’s this season. 3 on home runs. We won’t miss his clutch hitting.
by Clark Addison on Jul 28, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
His hitting with men on base has been fine.
The problem is that he has no power whatsoever. He almost literally can’t drive a man in from second.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
I'll bet you a million, billion donuts that doesn't happen
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
This is a real tweet from the Cubs:
Source: Cubs to deal OF Kosuke Fukudome to Indians for two Minor Leaguers …
And the 2 prospects will be sold to us as young Willie Mays and young Cy Young
and then we’ll never see them again, like the crap we got from Cle for Derosa
"Go Cubs!"
We actually saw the crap we got for DeRosa
the crap we got for DeRosa actually helped get us Garza, didn’t it?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
dont forget
TOR Chris Archer when traded away…Rookie Ball filler material when we brought him in
by hansman1982 on Jul 28, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
What does that matter??
The fact is we actually did what people want us to… take a young guy with promise and develop him into a potential TOR starter.
I was merely stating
that is what the arguments always are…the stuff we get is garbage unless it is the Mike Trout’s of the world and the stuff we trade away is pure gold regardless of what the stats and scouts say
by hansman1982 on Jul 28, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I figured you took me seriously
why anyone ever does that is beyond me
by hansman1982 on Jul 28, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
meanie poopy head
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
DAG-GUM-IT
Rebecca, how many times do I have to Mentos Freshmaker tell you to sit down
by hansman1982 on Jul 28, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
You Lint Licker
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Best Orbit Gum commercial... EVER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tcKdfy1Ego
Blatant play on Arrested Development.
by ubercubsfan on Jul 28, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
you dirty dirty dawg!
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Jul 28, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
The team is 20 games below .500, and it hasn't won a World Series in 102 years
And you’re going to “quit” if the do THIS?
by Fresca on Jul 28, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
straw, camel's back....etc, etc, etc
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Waiting for the lineups to be posted....
I can see Colvin not starting since he just got there…..But if its DeWitt……Quade will start his own riot….
DeWitt will not start in right. He hasn't EVER started in right
Now what WOULD be hilarious is if the outfield was DeWitt in left, Byrd in center and Baker in right.
I can almost guarantee even Quade isn’t dumb enough to play two infielders in the outfield.
I’ll be eleventy billion dollars that it will be Soriano, Byrd, Baker
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
or Soriano, Byrd, Colvin
as there is talk that Colvin is indeed, already in Milwaukee
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
The fact that even Quade won't play DeWitt in RF
is why I’m convinced he never will
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to stop now.
This ride is just going in circles and is no longer fun
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Abner Abreu is one of the players, supposedly
A low walk, high K 21 year old OF in High A ball
Hooray?
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Hahah, wow, he's bad...
Only guy I’ve seen with a BABIP over .350 and an AVG under .250.
perfect OF for the Cubs...like I said, it does not matter what they get....Just get rid of these players
It would be nice if Soriano was next….
If that happens I, TJ, would write a huge fanpost kissing Hendry’s ass…..
I'll believe it when I see it.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
if he's short in stature it would simply be awesome
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Even better, calling him 'Lil Abner will be irony
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Meh
espnchijon jon greenberg
Heard some good things about OF Abner Abreu, rumored to be coming to Cubs. Showing good power potential in A-ball.
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anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
21 isn't crazy old...
He also put up:
.305/.351/.488/.839
At 19 in Low-A a couple years ago…and he ranked near the top of their system heading into last year. Buying low on prospect talent it seems…More than I expected to get for Dome.
Agreed...
Basically, it’s a lottery ticket. Abreu has tools, but they haven’t translated at the A+ level. He’s unlikely to ever make it. But if he does somehow figure out how to hit, he’s a steal.
Basically, we weren’t going to get any sure-fire prospects for Fukudome. Getting a high-ceiling (but VERY raw) player was the best we could have realistically hoped for in this case. Realistically, he’ll probably never make it. But we weren’t going any further with Fukudome and there’s always the chance with a guy like Abreu.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough, my search was very quick and general
I’ll need to do more research, but I’m glad to hear he at least had promise once. Burgess v. 2.0?
I didn't think it was legal...
…to name a kid “Abner” anymore.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
Hmmmm, so hopefully he's the lower level prospect
but he is just 21, so perhaps there is room for more development
We'll all miss you Ron.
By "level", they mean the league he's playing in.
We aren’t getting any top prospects. A fallen prospect in Abner, and AAA cannon fodder in the other guy.
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When I read this first, I didn't catch the "OF"
and thought, “sweet! A low walk high K pitcher!” What a tease!
I did the same thing
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Low walk and high K rate?
He completely fits in with this organization!
by ubercubsfan on Jul 28, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
the accuracy of this statement makes me want to cry
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
My thoughts exactly
maybe Hendry is thinking that if he acquires enough of these guys, he’ll find the next Alfonso Soriano?
Sullivan is an idiot ...
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Jul 28, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
QIAFI
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Because until the deal was done.....Dome was still a member of the team???
Just a thought.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you under the impression that lineup cards are hermitcally sealed in vault
never to be retrieved or changed again?
What you are demonstrating is the very definition of “making a mountain out of a molehill”
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holy crap TJ, I think this season has driven you over the edge.
You used to be someone who was clearly annoyed by Hendry and the club (much like me) but now you’ve gone right round the bend.
First, you start off this thread talking about how the Dome trade isn’t really going to happen because no moves will be made. But, you still fault Quade for having Dome….who you didn’t believe would get traded, for having him in the lineup.
And now that the trade has been done, you’re like one of those guys who believes we didn’t actually land on the moon. One thing you can say about Quade, he has no idea how poorly his idiotic decisions and quotes come off. He wasn’t trying to “delay” the DeWitt outrage, because he doesn’t think there should BE an outrage. This isn’t a vast conspiracy. It’s a lineup card.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We did land on the moon!!!!!
The DeWitt comment was a joke….But so are most of the lineups….
But I think many of us are a little scared the prediction of DeWitt in RF will come true…
I think there's TWO of you who actually believe there's any chance of it coming true.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope it does not....DeWitt should not play in the OF at all the rest of the season.....
But to say its beyond Quade to do something like that is questionable
from MLB Trade rumers
10:30am: Hoynes tweets that the Indians are paying $775K of Fukudome’s remaining salary, which would leave about $3.9MM for the Cubs.
Ok, while I'm not "sad" or "mad" that this deal got done
unless the other prospect is a “real” prospect, I don’t understand this deal.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
except at least one of the prospects is barely a prospect.
Again, I’m not really upset, but if the other prospect is equally “meh” then the reason you do trades like this is to save money. If these numbers are to be believed, we’re not saving much of anything
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I just wouldn't be so quick do dismiss the deal.
Prospects are prospects. Unless they’re CLEARLY terrible (I don’t think that’s the case here), you never know what can happen. Saving money would have been nice, but in this instance I don’t think paying $3.9 MM going to cripple the Cubs.
I don't think it's going to cripple them
again, I’m not mad, I’m not sad.
I’m a bit surprised $775K is the most money we were able to save, if these rumors are to be believed
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
No, I understand
Given the people in charge, it’s impossible not to wonder if they could’ve done more.
Entirely fair point.
Wow
That’s more than I expected. Well, the money saved can pay for Ricky Jacquez’s signing bonus.
I heard on the Score that they're paying 2.5 mil to the Indians so idk ...
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Jul 28, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
see THAT would make more sense
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
So the Indians are going to push for another outfielder even if they get Fukudome?
Any way to throw Byrd in afterwards?
Let's see, if the Cubs wind up paying most or all of Dome's $14MM this season...
…his 13 RBI wind up costing approximately $1,077,000 each; his 3 HR, $4,666,666 each; his 33 runs, $424,242 each. Truly an Only in America story.
I know, I know – it’s not bad for a leadoff hitter, especially with his famously-high OBP.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
I think it's elgato who has agreed to drive Dome to the airport.
He’s presumably hauling ass up I-94 at the moment.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
It's elgato.
We were discussing it a few days ago. I responded to the old thread this morning with the news, but haven’t heard back. I assume it’s because elgato’s helping Kosuke pack.
"Sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes..."
I'm assuming it's because El is running down the street kissing whoever he sees
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Righty reliever Carlton Smith is the second player
25 and in AAA. Know next to nothing else about him
Here's a write up on him I found
http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/2009/02/indians-top-100-prospects-58-carlton.html
Sounds like he has decent stuff, he just hasn’t had the results.
http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/2010/03/indians-top-50-5-abner-abreu.html
Abreu was top 5 in their system heading into 2010. Soriano’s name is mentioned in there. Ugh. POS.
Already handing him the job?
That’s so unlike you TJ. I thought he’d be a new POS POS.
Yup - right before he had 1.5 pretty blah seasons in A+ ball...
If they re-did that ranking now, I’m guessing he’s fallen precipitously.
Basically, Abreu is a lottery ticket. The likelihood of him ever amounting to anything is really really low. But there’s an ever-so-slight chance he could turn into an Alfonso Soriano-type offensive player with better defensive skills.
by SouthernCub on Jul 28, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
He's the Indians version of Jay Jackson.
I’m okay with that. More than I expected.
Not sure I'm seeing the comparison...
Jackson is a pitcher that blew through the low minors, reached AAA at 21, and then stalled. Abreu is a hitter that stalled in A+ ball.
It’s about what I expected – nondescript AAA reliever and a low-level prospect whose stock has nosedived the past two years.
Basically, Abreu is a lottery ticket, which is about all I expected for Fukudome. A “meh” trade in general.
Abreu was a top 5 player in the indians system as early as a year ago... he's had a crummy year.
Jay Jackson was a top 5 prospect in the Cubs system prior to 2011… his stock has taken a nose dive.
I’m not looking at level or age, simply the type of project he’s going to be.
Abreu's not a bad pickup
crazy tools. would have hoped for a pitcher a little better than Smith if the Cubs are picking up the majority of KF’s salary, but they essentially got a lottery ticket in return with Abreu (much like they did with Archer)
Not really
Good power potential and good OF arm, but he’s an average runner and has a below average bat.
he must have base-stealing skills though
30 for 35 in 190+ hi-A games, that’s pretty good. He must have better than average speed if he has crazy range in the OF, so that writeup somewhat contradicts itself. his contact rate is scary, for sure though.
by PrincetonCubs on Jul 28, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
doodie head
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Now that one trade appears to be done....
Hopefully that starts open season. I’d like to see a couple more guys jetted out.
It's raining blood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
It's raining men!?!?!?
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Jul 28, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Halleluah
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
1,000 years of darkness!!!
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
No
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2011/7/28/2297707/chicago-cubs-milwaukee-brewers-preview-thursday
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
An Indian fan's view of the trade
Good analysis by the same site that posted the scouting reports posted above. This guy liked Abreu, does not like Smith. I doubt the Cub farm system is a place for Abreu to learn plate discipline.
http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/2011/07/thoughts-on-fukudome-deal.html
Jeez
what kind of shit prospects were the Indians offering before Hendry decided to up the ante and pay most of Kosuke’s salary? This is worse than the Gorz haul. How could any Cleveland fan be upset about what they gave up?
DEJESUS!!!
Of course it's worse than what we got for Gorz...
We traded 2+ months of an average OFer who is a FA that wont be able to be offered arb at the end of the year.
You’re comparing him to a late 20s lefty starting pitcher with years of service left before he becomes a FA? You were expecting WAY too much.
well what
we got for Gorz was pretty unimpressive too.
DEJESUS!!!
Former top prospect in the gulf coast league and a position of need in the system?
Gorz wasn’t good enough to get a good prospect for – the fact that we got a lottery ticket with huge upside is good to see. Burgess is actually having a GREAT July and hopefully he’s coming around.
Hicks has shown some signs of promise too...
though sporadically.
Meanwhile Gorz has an ERA around 4.5 and there’s the outside shot he might hit 150 innings for the first time since 2007. He’s been worth a jaw dropping .3 WAR. What a keeper…
Good Bye Kosuke and the best of luck to you.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
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