670 the Score - Aramis Ramirez might waive NTC after today's loss
by TheBeerBaron on Jul 28, 2011 5:08 PM CDT
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According to an update during the "Boers and Bernstein Show" on 670 AM in Chicago, Aramis Ramirez told reporters after the game that he may be willing to accept a trade now.
"I understand it's a business, if they're looking to rebuild, I can't fit in. So we'll see"
Interesting.
Top 50 prospect only please! There's no reason to make another Fukudome deal. Please, please, please Jimbo, trade for something valuable.
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Like rats off a sinking ship
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Thank you Rami
for giving Jimbo 3 days to seriously discuss moving you…
Otherwise, thanks for the memories, namely a game in July 2008 where you SMASHED one to RCF for the game winner…it was my first game at Wrigley and I told my wife to watch out, Ramirez is going yard!
I'm sure he's discussed Aramis with other teams.
I doubt he was waiting for Aramis’ permission to at least talk to other teams about him.
Come on Lisa, I'm trying to impress people here. You don't win friends with salad. ~ Homer J. Simpson
by TheBeerBaron on Jul 28, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
very true but how many serious discussions?
I am sure not many GM’s would be willing to say much more than a sure or no thanks to their interest in Rami, would be nice to get a bidding war going for him.
You talkin crazy. Pretty sure someone would report...
Hendry doing that.
I'm not sure about that.
They said on CTL tonight that Aramis’ agent said he hadn’t even talked to him til the last couple of days about even considering a trade.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
The one in 07 off of Francisco Cordero has got to be one of my better Cubs memories of the past 7 years.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Obviously this would be huge
Given that Beltran netted a top 35 prospect, I can only fantasize about what Ramirez might return.
Bleacher Nation - Cubs Rumors and News
::drools at what he might return::
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
You'll stop drooling when you remember that Hendry will be the one to negotiate this trade.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Good point.
How many more “Abreu’s” are there that are bad at baseball?
Come on Lisa, I'm trying to impress people here. You don't win friends with salad. ~ Homer J. Simpson
by TheBeerBaron on Jul 28, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
There are a lot of reasons to dislike Hendry
…but I wouldn’t put his trade negotiation skills on that list.
I would....
Its been a long time since those salary dumps that made Hendry look good…
I give him credit for Garza though,,,,
Garza, Gorzelany, Harden, Fontenot
He’s traded for some pretty good players. There’s only a couple of awful trades in there, namely the Heilman and Pierre trades and
Oh sorry I was replying you seriously for a minute.
Then he gave Gorz away...I said Garza....
Harden was decent…
Fonty was already in our system….
Oh sorry I forgot you think this front office is foing a good job….
This is our year!
Fontenot came over in the Sosa trade
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Oh sorry I forgot you think this front office is foing a good job….
Yes, I made that clear about 2 inches up when I said
There are a lot of reasons to dislike Hendry
In an effort to help your reading comprehension, I’m translating this into the language of your lesser species:
There are a lot!!!!!!! of reasons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to dislike!!!!!!!!!!!?! Hendry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Wreckard on Jul 29, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Harden pitched like an absolute ace for the time we had him in 08.
and we gave up nothing to get him. I’d consider that trade a win.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Hendry does a commendable job
as a buyer in trades.
He is horrible at acquiring talent in trades.
He is also horrible at free agent acquisitions, roster construction, minor league player development, minor league system development, long-term vision, meshing a manager’s desires with long-term roster management, and handing out no-trade clauses on one-year contracts. In fact, I’d say he’s one of the worst in the league at most of those.
He has managed to have a 10 year career in one of the highest profile jobs in sports by being affable and by doing a good job as a buyer at the trade deadline. Nobody in the Cubs front office has ever seemed to care that he’s done a horrid job of the rest of the qualities essential to success as a GM.
He is either not selling off assets of value or selling them for essentially nothing in return, just as he did last year. Yet people still seem to think making a change mid-season would cause more harm then keeping him in place, despite that he’s going to fail to capitalize on valuable assets of temporary value.
DEJESUS!!!
Very good...
…and objective description of Hendry and the work he has done as Cub’s GM.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Trade him to the Pirates for
Pedro Alverez and Jameson Taillon!
Boom! GetitdoneJim!
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Even better!
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
screw that
we need a toolsy 3b prospect and a 25 year old reliever in his 3rd go around of AA
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoa, hold up
A toolsy Outfield prospect. We don’t have enough of those yet!
by Mulhollandmania on Jul 28, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't get Taillon.
Signed less than a year ago. Hafta take Cutch instead.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
What are the chances that he would clear waivers?
I don’t think the deadline affects the Cubs as much as other teams, because a lot of our players would clear waivers.
Better question...
if some team claims him off waivers…
1) I’m assuming the claiming team would then be on the hook for his option buy-out.
2) Would that trigger Ramirez’s option converting into a fully player option even though it’s not technically a trade?
3) Would the acquiring team need to pay him the $1m bonus also included if he were to be traded?
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 30, 2011 5:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know...
…the answer to those questions, but if a team was on the hook for his option, it is probably 50/50 whether he would clear waivers. Some of it would depend on whether he goes cold again in the coming weeks and how desperate teams are at that position.
In general, Ramirez has been a very productive player for the Cubs since 03. What concerns me about bringing him back are three things; his increasing age and likelyhood of injury, his ice cold starts (for two months) the last two seasons when the club needed him to step up and his proprensity to appear lazy at times (not a good example for the younger guys).
I wouldn’t be completely opposed to bringing him back, but if I were Hendry, I would be having discussions with his agent about what Ramirez is looking at money wise for the next couple of years. If it seems over the top, why wouldn’t you trade him now to get something of value in return?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Because they cant?
I keep telling myself that because it makes absolutely no sense otherwise. I generally give Team Hendry more credit than they deserve, and every time I do I get a big kick square to the jimmay.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 30, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
So while we wait for more news
shall we discuss:
1. Shoemile finding out today that Nunyabidness is his dad?
2. well I guess there just isnt anything else to discuss…
Why do all reports keep listing ARam as a Type B FA?
I mean… isn’t he having the best season for a 3rd baseman in the NL? How is he not a type A?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
based off past 3 seasons
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It's just cuz of injuries.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs are going to win the World Series?
is that what you are implying?
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
What a surprise
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010) and Ron Santo (February 25, 1940-December 2, 2010).
If you disagree with me in any way, you are wrong.
dont they start their
roadtrip tomorrow that would take rami away from him family before they go home for the winter anyway?
bye Rami!!!!!!!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
i approve of this
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
That is some nice grass in the background
Wonder what sort of pesticides they use to keep it that weed free
even if that WAS the difference maker was he incapable of looking at the team's schedule
and figuring that out before all the talk about how he wouldn’t accept a trade?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I predict Hendry lets him go for a bag of chips!
LOL! HIAFI!
So....he thought we were competing until today?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
I thought his family was the holdup.
Did they leave town because we suck so bad?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Did we hear this same bullshit excuse from Derrek Lee last year?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Are....are you saying we shouldn't take the players at their word?
I taught you better than that
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe there's word around the locker room
That there really is going to be a total overhaul to this organization come the offseason. Ramirez gets the inkling, or maybe even has been straight up told, that his services will not be rendered after this year because of it.
I don’t know, just a theory maybe?
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Other than the Angels, who would be likely suiters? Can't picture Hendry sending him to Milwaukee
but I guess stranger things have happened. What would be a realistic package from the Angels?
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
They have a really good 2nd base prospect named Segura
that’d make for a pretty nice center piece to the trade. Him and Castro would make a formidable MI combo for years to come.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Angels have no interest
Tony Reagins has gone out of his way to say so.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
The Angels likely would have to give up nothing more than mid- to lower tiered prospect or 2. Cubs would pay big part of salary
lol
I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
by jesus christos on Jul 29, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
How do they figure the Cubs would pay all the salary and only require a low-mid tier prospect??
Beltran saved the Mets millions and they got a top 35 prospect back.
As does Ken Rosenthal
“Sources tell me and @jonmorosi that #Angels looking for setup types, would love crack at #Cubs’ A. Ramirez.”
by Jody Jody Davis on Jul 29, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Reagins was on talk radio here in LA.....
…. as recently as Wednesday saying he had no interest.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Detroit Tigers?
Inge sucks.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
And DFAd to the best of my knowledge
playing it out in AAA
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Jul 28, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You're correct, I wasn't aware of it.
I forgot they got Wilson Betemit too, so I guess he’ll be playing there.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
If Ramirez is gone, kiss any hopes of competing in 2012 goodbye
The free agency crop of 3Bs is really ugly, plus I don’t think there’s anyone in this system capable of replacing his production next season. We’d basically be rolling the dice on someone like Wilson Betemit or hoping that some combination of DeWitt/Baker/Flaherty/LeMahieu/Vitters can make do. That proposition makes me nauseous.
If Ramirez is traded, just blow up the team and make plans to compete in 2013.
There was hope the Cubs would compete in 2012?
besides from the occasional fringe lunatic here and there I mean.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Ya know.....
…… the fringe lunatic insults get a bit old.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
So does hearing how the roster isn't as bad as last year's was because (fill in the blank) is going to rebound...
(so and so) is finally healthy and (whats-his-name)…
a) learned a lot from last year
b) has his head on straight
c) is in a contract year so he’ll produce
d) is a sleeper nobody is looking at
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Except I certainly said none of these things
My only point here is that people can disagree without being called a lunatic for thinking differently than someone else.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I wasn't specifically pointing to anything you said...
just making the point that we get the same story from the optimistic side of the coin almost every year. Granted, the debbie downer crowd kinda does the same thing, only they just point out what actually happened last season and how the players we have performed on the field in games to base their dim opinions of the team on.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I was joking BeerCub
I meant no offense
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Yes, that is the actual plan.
2013.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Not as if there was any serious hope of competing in 2012
from this point forward actions need to be taken to make the team competitive in 2013.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jul 29, 2011 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Why would a team want to pay him 16 million dollars next year?
… that would be a big waste of money for a 3baseman who doesnt try very hard on defense. And why would he want to get rid of the option?? Who else will pay him that much money for 1 year?
it would be about getting
double that or more in a longer term deal – basically looking for same money over the long haul but getting the hell out of here and getting a chance to play for 2-3 more playoff runs…
Ramirez on Clown Kenney
comical, from paul sullivan
“(General manager Jim Hendry) hasn’t talked to me about trading me. Or, who’s that other guy — (team President Crane Kenney)? Or the Ricketts’ (family)? Nobody has talked to me (to ask) about if I’m willing to waive my no-trade clause.”
They havent talked to him??
WTF are they doing there at Clark and Addison.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
it's a joke and how much of a fraud is Kenney
when the player who has been here for eight years doesn’t even know he is?
Could we please get a new owner, Bud Selig? This is horrible.
Moreover
You want to know who are the real frauds and kokes? People who rip guys like Crane Kenney for doing a horrible job and not even knowing what his job is. No place in the Cubs’ Media Guide does it say he has any responsibility for the baseball side of things, like, you know, player acquisition, talent evaluation and so on. He’s in charge of operations, specifically things like Wrigley seating expansion, increasing night games, founding Comcast, bringing revenue generators like the Winter Classic and other events to Wrigley, and overseeing the steady increase in payroll.
Who’s the fraud and joke now?
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jul 28, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
koke, joke, what the hell
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Who's the guy responsible for hiring and retaining Jim Hendry?
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 30, 2011 5:43 AM CDT up reply actions
McPhail hired him, Ricketts for firing him
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
The real joke
is what some members of this site choose to listen to/ believe. 1/2 of the mainstream on BCB have seriously lost perspective. For some here, the worst possible scenario involves a Ricketts’ owned success.
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by Slakkr on Jul 28, 2011 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Hallelujah.
Someone speaks the truth.
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There are probably like four people here who think that.
Certainly not 1/2 of the site.
Fire Jim Hendry.
What? That's the "truth" in your mind?
That people who are Cubs fans, don’t want the team to succeed under Ricketts?
And OTHERS have lost perspective?
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Wow.
So, by your logic, the very few people who feel that way are “half the site” and have lost perspective? There’s probably very few who think that way. The only problem is, they get a lot of airtime since they constantly cause and get into thread fights.
Nearly all of us want the Cubs to succeed under Ricketts. But come on, he hasn’t really done much to show he is a good owner yet. From asking the state of Illinois for $200 million, to overpricing the bleachers, to complaining people won’t come watch the Cubs, and so on….
The critics are out in force because Ricketts hasn’t made many good decisions, whether they be personnel decisions or baseball decisions or what he says to this point. But he’ll need to do something this offseason, or he will just continue causing Wrigley Field to empty out.
Hardly anyone has lost perspective here. Rather, we’re just critical of what we see as too few moves being made.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 29, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Perspective is relative
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
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Hasn't Ricketts looked incompetent?
He’s just about two years on the job now, he’s a whopping 33 games under .500 as owner. He said the sale was so overwheling to him that he did not have time to bring in his own people. He’s now sat still for two years with a president and GM who have completely run this team into the ground. One of the worst Cubs teams of all time. He DOES NOTHING, absolutely nothing after almost two long hard years. All we ever hear are how Kenney, Hendry and Quade are doing great jobs. Does he think we that stupid? He’s also priced out the ballpark and the bleachers where there are thousands and thousands of empty seats for this horrible prooduct.
by MikeJW on Jul 28, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Since you asked the question....
… yeah, you are that stupid. Name one baseball related thing Kenney’s done wrong.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
The priest in the dugout.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No fair using facts!
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 28, 2011 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now see here!
This is why we can’t have civil discussion see! This ain’t right see!
try again
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Let me see where you're going to move the goalposts to first
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Jul 28, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
What the hell are you talking about?
I challenged the guy to name one baseball decision tied to Crane Kenney. Who did he trade for, cut, hire, etc. You know, baseball decisions.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
he's the president of the team
are you kidding me? He’s responsible for everything, does he personally make the decision? Probably not, but he is responsible for the product on the field.
It would appear to me that Jim Hendry is responsible for that product.
You know, since Hendry signs the players and makes trades.
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Al, you think Kenney should remain as team president?
You think he’s doing a good job?
For what he's responsible for, he's doing a damn good job
Do you even read responses to you? Are you familiar with basic business terms such as “operations”? Kenney is NOT responsible for the baseball side, even if he is team President. His overall responsibility is the business side. Kenney has no more input over day to day baseball decisions than you do.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jul 29, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Correct.
It can be argued that a “baseball man” should be team president. I do have a problem with the focus on team marketing rather than baseball. But that’s the only issue.
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John McDonough seems to do both
you don’t think he would take responsibilty for the on ice product if the Hawks were as pathetic as the Cubs? You guys are letting Kenney off here.
You can't be serious. McDonough has nothing to do with this.
Cite us to specifics that show Crane Kenney has ANYTHING to do with the on field team.Specifically, his input on any player, coach, manager, scouts, general manager, trades, signings, etc. Otherwise, your criticism of Kenney lacks any kind of real foundation and your lack of knowledge regarding how a business operates undermines your position severely.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Further
McDonough leaves the hockey decisions to his hockey GM and advisor. You don’t see him butting in on hockey signings. Maybe he learned his lesson after the Soriano deal.
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Al, McDonough is the face of the franchise
although he doesn’t make the signings, he makes it clear the buck stops with him and he will not accept losing. You are gone right away if you don’t cut it.Ramirez didn’t even know who Kenney was. He needs to go, this team is putrid.
Wow
After all you’ve been told here, the only way your response here makes any kind of sense is if you’re a naive, unsophisticated kid in junior high. Your continued stubbornness would be understandable, seriously. If you’re over 18, there’s no excuse for your position except lack of education.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Hendry reports to Kenney, don't you get it
he’s Hendry’s boss and look at the product on the field the last three years? You actually think Crane Kenney should remain as president of the Cubs? Are serious?
where are you seeing this org chart at?
From what I have read in the past couple of years it appears to me that Hendry works with Ricketts on the baseball side with Kenney working with Ricketts on the operations side…do you see Kenney at too many player signings?
You can keep repeating your same, specious argument....
…. and avoid answering simpe direct questions all you want but it doesn’t help you.
In the Cubs’ hierarchy, the team president does not run the baseball side. Period. The team president does the operations portion. If you don’t know what that means, say so, because you’re beginning to look really foolish.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jul 29, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You'll never satisfy the "fire everyone" crowd.
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And have you noticed?
Many of them were also the “Get rid of Fukudome!” crowd. And now they’re grousing because they don’t think we got enough for him.
Some people are not happy unless they’re unhappy.
McDonough...
…hired the best hockey mind possible (Scotty Bowman) and he listened to him, which is why you hire these types of guys.
There are similarities between what happened to Dale Tallon with the Hawks and what should happen to Jim Hendry. Tallon made poor decisions with contracts, that helped to put the club in a spot to have to unload after they won the cup. Tallon is also one of the most “well liked” guys around, similar to Hendry. The one big difference, was Tallon did have a much better eye for talent, than Hendry ever did.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
So in other words, you choose to ignore what he really is responsible for just so you can continue to bash him
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
My opinion on The Ricketts regime will be shaped after they get a fresh start with some of these contracts.
I want to see what he does after these contracts are up before and after this season. Hendry needs to go and if he’s not gone by the end of the season my opinion on Ricketts will take a turn for the worse.
#10 You will be missed.
by Bricks and Ivy on Jul 28, 2011 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think this is the majority opinion in some form or another.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
Same here...
Tommy Boy gets a pass until October 1, 2011. After that, all eyes will and SHOULD be focused on him and ONLY him. I have faith NOT in Tommy, but, Papa Ricketts. I hope daddy has been paying attention.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
WOW. A reasonable response.
Give the Ricketts regime a chance to build its own team/organization? I am not sure that kind of reasonable attitude has any place here.
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 29, 2011 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree somewhat...
…but I also think Ricketts made a crucial error by not bringing in a top notch baseball guy right out of the box.
He has a chance to do the right thing in October, lets see what happens.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
He’s also priced out the ballpark and the bleachers where there are thousands and thousands of empty seats for this horrible prooduct.
They haven’t completely priced it out. Tourists still come out in droves in the summer. What they’ve done is priced out many of the average, local fans. The addition of the Monday-Wednesday specials, and the 4-pack deals were basically their way of admitting they screwed up. Look how empty the park was early on in the season. Once school starts again, it’ll go right back to that. Wrigley will be a ghost town in September.
Will they learn from their mistakes and finally cut ticket prices next year?
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
I hope so.
Just wait until mid-August… the place will be far emptier; even if a crowd of 37,000 is announced, there might be half that many in the park. Less in September.
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Ramirez is essentially saying...
that if the Cubs don’t intend on competing next year, he’d rather get traded and not run the risk of them picking up his option and him again playing on a shit team.
What were people saying about his desire to win again?
It's a mutual option...
The team can’t force him to come back. Has nothing to do with what you’re saying overall.
He's saying the Cubs suck.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
On another forum, I said he doesn’t always try and I was greeted with derision and the usual alphabet soup of dWAR and career slash line.
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
if everyone keeps shhoting your arguments down
maybe there is something wrong with your arguments?
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 29, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
They absolutely should be
even if Polanco was healthy.
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by TheBeerBaron on Jul 28, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Ramirez on the situaiton:
“Nobody has talked to me about if I’m wiling to waive my no-trade clause,” he said. “It’s only in the media speculation that ‘This team wants Ramirez,’ or the other team. Coming from the guys upstairs, the people who make the decision, I haven’t heard from anybody.”
So, would he be willing to be traded?
“Nobody wants me, man,” Ramirez said. “They want good players. Nobody wants me. They come to me with a trade, we’ll see, but nobody has talked to me about it.”
I thought that was pretty funny. He should know this is no time to joke!
lol he really said nobody wants me?
#10 You will be missed.
by Bricks and Ivy on Jul 28, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
A POS????
In his years with the Cubs he has averaged 25 HR, 80 RBI and an OPS of .839. Most teams would love to have a 3B like that.
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 29, 2011 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions
best 3b man in NL and top 5 in all mlb..
Yeah he’s REAL bad! If we lose him its going to be even worse next year. Best case scenario we trade em now and re-sign em next year along with Prince and CJ Wilson!
by bleedinblue76 on Jul 28, 2011 9:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Agent Paul Kinzer tells Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that Ramirez remains reluctant to waive his no-trade protection this month. "He doesn’t want to go anywhere," Kinzer told Rosenthal after speaking with Ramirez. However, Ramirez may still consider trades during August.
ffff
I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2011 11:42 PM CDT reply actions
this is structural veto power over where he will go and demand his option be enforced or
extension (hope) negotiated…
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
I still think...
…it could be posturing and him needing an extension from the team trading for him to agree to waive his 10/5 rights.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I don't think it's even that.
I think it’s one of the beat writers asking him this question to try to create a story. Well, they got one — look at all the comments here.
Thursday is three days to the deadline. You think if Hendry wanted to deal him, he wouldn’t have asked by now? Definitely not.
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It could be...
…that Hendry is waiting until he has a fairly firm deal in place and then he will take it to Aramis and his agent. They can then determine whether they would require an extension to ok the deal.
I think this happens a lot with guys with no trade clauses or 10/5 rights. Once a deal is presented to them, they may say yes or may so no depending on the circumstances.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jul 29, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never really took Aramis calim to not waive his NTC too serious in the first place
If he’s not going to retire then there’s no reason at all to oppose a trade, at least if it’s a team that has a serious interest in him beyond 2011.
And if the Cubs have the intention of trading him, I’m confident they have talked it thru with Ramirez long ago. Even though everybody thinks that Hendry sucks (rightfully so, I might add), he’s no moron who’s too stupid to appraoch a player with a trade offer.
Either way, since there’s no one insight who seems fit to replace Ramierez, the Cubs should be in no hurry to trade him away anyway.
by DamageControlFreak on Jul 29, 2011 8:23 AM CDT reply actions
This back and forth thing with reporters and Ramirez's agent really needs to stop.
so damn annoying
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
What wa wrong with the Fukudome deal?
What did we expect to get for some body batting .270 3HR and 13 RBI’s.
Nothing was wrong with it.
Got one useful prospect and a Triple-A bullpen arm. Not bad.
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We have absolutely NO idea if that prospect is useful
He’s borderline at best.
I see you’re back in full on “defend the front office mode”
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Jul 29, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Borderline at best...
sounds kind of like Kosuke as a starting OF talent.
from what I am reading on here
we should be able to get a top 10 (in our system) prospect if we eat no money and a top 5 (again, in our system) prospect if we line up to the buffet
You can probably expect a top 100 prospect for Ramirez, he's the best bat remaining on the market.
Beltran netted a top 35 prospect, I don’t think Ramirez should do a whole lot worse than that.
ya and?
we have the greatest farm system EVER!!!!
I am just trying to keep my hopes and expectations down…I severly doubt he gets traded at all
Agree
Ramirez should net a package comparable to what Beltran brought in. He is close to Beltran’s I’ll as a hitter, plays a premium defensive position, is essentially a rental, and will bring back a draft pick (albeit as a type b Player).
Hendry should ask Ramirez if he will waive his NTC, and if he says yes, he should make it known to other GMs that he’s available. There will be a bidding war for him.
If he doesn’t at least ask Ramirez, it is just another reason to fire Hendry. This would be one of his biggest offenses though, as we’d be missing out on a player that would presumably be a top 1-3 in our system for a player we don’t need the rest of the year.
If he goes to the Angels, we could start by asking for Garrett Richards, who would be far and away the best pitching prospect in our system and could probably join the rotation next year.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jul 29, 2011 12:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I just want to get a pair of wooden legs for my vampiric puppet son.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Jul 29, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
nope
I do have a pair of pencils though…
by hansman1982 on Jul 29, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
ARam is much more likely to bring someone of real value
that much is certain. 3Bs with his power are not easy to find.
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 29, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I loved him while he was here but I am tired of players slacking.
We need to get rid of him and Soriano. Its just a really bad influence on Castro.
I dont think Soriano slacks
I think he is just done as anyone who has much speed and ability to give 100% on a daily basis without severly degrading his remaining skills and playing time
Soriano...
…does not loaf intentionally, but he is what I would consider the exact opposite of a Pete Rose type of player.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I just think his legs are done
through and through and if he were to give it Byrd type effort he would be on the DL every other week…
by hansman1982 on Jul 29, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Even...
…when he could run, he looked like a guy who didn’t always go full tilt.
Thats just Soriano’s personality, that is the way the guy is wired.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Yes, it is my opinion.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Actually.....
…. while I can’t say for sure about Ramirez, off the field Soriano is a great influence on the younger Latin players. He goes out of his way to make sure they’re comfortable, both at home and on the road. I don’t recall any kind of bad words about Soriano’s character. His on field play is what starts the noise.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Well apparently its a moot point...
agent saying that Ramirez would only accept trade if the team fire sales
This is being reported by Jon Heyman
wouldn't trading our starting right fielder and starting 3rd baseman
be a pretty good sign we were “fire saleing”?
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Jul 29, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
It would have to include
at least Garza (again Heyman’s words) – I am thinking Rami wants to see the team gutted around him so he can say he didnt quit on the team…TOO LATE
by hansman1982 on Jul 29, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I do mean on the field
Other than that I respect Soriano for his actions. He could have took the bradley route at any time.
This info came to later for Hendry to do anything.....Like ARam said, they have not even approached him.....
A good GM would have already covered his bases……
We do not have one.
The insightfulness in this post actually...
forced me to make this post. I hope I didn’t came to later either.
Covered his bases in what way?
You do know that Hendry is allowed to discuss a trade without discussing it with the player right?
There is literally NO reason Hendry needs to talk to Aram until a deal is actually IN PLACE.
In fact, it would be sort of idiotic for Hendry to be calling Aram every five minutes going “okay, I’m trying really, really hard to get you the hell out of here. NOW I’m talking to the Nationals, and next the Pirates and then I’m calling Japan!”
It’s also entirely possible Aram is lying about being talked to. That’s a pretty stock answer this time of year.
I dislike Hendry as much as you do TJ, the difference is, I can still think rationally about the situation.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Jul 29, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My point was...he should have already had a p[ossible trade in place.....
If the answer is why try if he isnt going to waive it?
Then you would have to ask him….
You understand it takes two teams in order to work out a trade right?
Most teams get the trade in place and THEN ask the player, because it’s less insulting then openly letting them know you’re working your butt off to get them off your roster.
If memory serves this is how Jim especially does it. I recall hearing back in the PV sweepstakes days that we pretty much had a deal in place, with Shark as one of the guys we were shipping off. Turns out Shark torpedoed the deal by not waiving his NTC.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Jul 29, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Disagree.
I am far from a Hendry supporter… but I do not doubt his work ethic in the least.
I am certain Hendry was already vetting what kind of return he could get for a number of players, even those who had professed they were staying.
"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."
by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
exactly
TJ’s complaints lately have taken on a grade school quality.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Jul 29, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
That's insulting to grade schoolers
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 30, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I noticed Ramirez stop diving for balls after he dislocated his shoulder against Milwaukee.
I don’t think its a case of him being lazy. Just protecting himself.
#10 You will be missed.
by Bricks and Ivy on Jul 29, 2011 11:43 AM CDT reply actions
Shoulder schmoulder....
He doesn’t dive because he’s a lazy, selfish POS who doesn’t care or want to win.
But the problem is, there are no better options at third.
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anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
SenorGato is back to his performance art...
he’s doing his “anti-TJ” schtick. That was sarcasm – it just didn’t have the exclamation points.
by SouthernCub on Jul 29, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Pointless and annoying...
You should stick to substantive posts. The TJ-like stuff is just as annoying as the TJ posts (which I agree are really annoying).
Of course, take my opinion with a grain of salt. But I think I speak for the community as a whole on this.
by SouthernCub on Jul 29, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
So you know you are annoying and contribute nothing to this blog?
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
SenorGato does contribute when he's not doing this crap
I have often had fun debates on real topics.
But with regard to the performance art, I agree with your point. I fail to understand why people knowingly are annoying to everyone.
I find it difficult to have any sort of discussion
with some who will take a statement like opponent OPS and highlight only the OPS part and say, “look, look, you are talking about hitting” when it’s a discussion about pitching.
That to me is in no way meaningful contribution to a discussion.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Yes, there are plenty of ill-informed posts as well...
But there are some times when he has good points.
I'm not saying he doesn't
but using misinformation to prove his point is not a positive contribution. Neither is the confrontational and condescending attitude he bring to the site either.
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by DTJchris on Jul 29, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, but he kinda keeps things sane at times.
It’s not like we have anything better to do in an 100 loss season.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 29, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 12 recs
This is really funny!
Or should I say: This is really funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by jerry morales rules on Jul 29, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
That made my day.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Congrats, TJ.
You’ve joined the user formerly known as BLou as one of the select few to have been granted one of these.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
...
I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
by jesus christos on Jul 29, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
SWL FTW!
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 29, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
The SG sarcasm can be tough to crack at times.
When he says Ramirez is a “lazy, selfish, POS,” it should be assumed that it’s sarcasm, because almost no one would agree with that assessment, and to do so would be ridiculous.
However, this is also the same person who thinks Blake DeWitt is “good,” and that Jim Hendry is “shrewd,” which are also ridiculous statements that very, very few people would agree with. In these cases, though, Senor truly does believe such thoughts.
I think folks can be forgiven for having his sarcasm fly over their head, as his honest thoughts can be just as absurd.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
by shoemile on Jul 29, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Maybe that's where the real art lies...
Sarcasm or not? The SG posting story.
Perhaps you're right.
To be able to make straightforward statements that are indecipherable in meaning would be quite the feat (And I say that with no sarcasm intended).
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
I assume he believes everything he says, since both ways are ignorant...
If you are going to do preformance art, pick a side and stay with it….
Also, try to learn from the master……not do a cheap imitation.
But I guess its flattering for him to want to be like me….
Try to keep it up for 6 months on one side, then we will talk.
Yeah no ones looking to imitate you.
I operate idependently and you know…make the choice to offer actual insight last time.
The Ted Lilly and Garza trades were shrewd 4 lyfe.
by SenorGato on Jul 29, 2011 3:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
A pale imitation....
Nice try though….
Everyone knows you love this team as is and think Quade and Hendry are doing a great job.
I think you should keep trying though
He has honest thoughts?
That’s news to me. He’s the optimistic version of TJ11.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 29, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
*More knowledgable, more creative, smarter version of TJ11.
Fixed for accuracy.
That's if you want to insult me...
as it shouldn’t be too hard to be all three of those things relative to what I’m being compared to here.
Yeah, but you're having a very hard time being those things.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've seen him dive for balls a handfull of times since his shoulder injury...
and I’ve cringed every single time I’ve seen him do it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 29, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Shoulders are tough.
I do the same. Shoulders are just not fun, and once they’re injured it’s never the same.
yes...I'm not at all down on Ramierz for his glove....
the perceived dilly-dallying on the bases is another story though.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 29, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
He dove for a ball yesterday.
I think he’s been pretty consistent in laying out when necessary.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
You were...watching the game? Weird.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 29, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I had it on in the background as I was packing up my comic books for the fort.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
Cool, you have a fort
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I have to settle for this man cave thing instead.
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This is great and all
But we won’t have a better third baseman on the Cubs until Castro eventually gets moved over to third.
If you can get a good return for Ramirez, ie something more than you got for Fukudome, then I guess I’m for it. This is a good time to trade high on Ramirez with his .293/.334/.510 line. Otherwise, Josh Vitters is a long way away…
Considering his defense at SS, they should at least consider the idea
Because defensively he’s not a very good SS. He’s young and it’s certainly possible for him to improve with time. But I don’t think the Cubs should be totally wed to Castro at SS.
Of course, moving him to another position would change the value of his bat (which is right now solid for a SS but wouldn’t be adequate at 3B). Again, though, he’s young and can/will likely improve at the plate.
I hope that we either ultimately find an option capable of moving Castro to 2B or 3B or Castro greatly improves defensively (or improves so much offensively that his bad defense doesn’t matter).
by SouthernCub on Jul 29, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm hanging my hopes on the fact that he's really young and some of his doubles will turn into HR's as he matures....
also that someone on the coaching staff will find a way to get him to stop relying so much on his athleticism to make plays and get him to use his feet correctly.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 29, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, and get his throws better...
He’s young, so there’s lots of time for him. I’m just saying I wouldn’t at least have/keep the thought of moving him in mind.
Of course, it’s a moot point until (a) we have a hole at 3B and (b) we have other options at 2B and SS. As long as Ramirez is here, there’s no reason to move Castro to 3B. I might switch Barney and Castro at 2B/SS, but I’m okay with things for now.
by SouthernCub on Jul 29, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
His throws will get concurrently better as his footwork improves.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 29, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
value?
Castro’s value to the team not the position. Castro is second in the league in # of hits, at the age of 21, he will improve with more power (SLG) and plate discipline (BB), but he is much like Pete Rose.
Barney would be ranked 3rd in hitting at SS if not Castro being there…but that would open 2B to competition/platoon to Flaherty/LaMathieu.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
I have to admit...
I’ve been anxious to see Barney play SS for more than 0 games in a row.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 29, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
The issue is always value to the team
There are metrics all over the place but Barney would probably reduce errors at SS by at least half…where Castro now sports the 10th best (out of 13) SS fielding (.962%), and 3rd best range factor, but his ZR is again 9 or 10th.
Essentially looking at the two is that Cubs would have saved 4-5 errors at SS with similar ranges but at 3B Castro would increase the range greatly. This takes away hits while having similar offense from the two.
Now the difference would be defense at 2B (could it be close to what Barney has produced?) but with stronger offense from a platoon of LaMathieu and Flaherty?
The question of where power comes from then goes to 1B, C, RF, CF, LF. BTW Soriano excluded.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
But the fact that he can play short
only enhances his value to the team. The team’s plan should be to keep him at SS until he proves that he can’t play there.
Ranked third by what metric?
I’m guessing batting average.
Baseball is pitching, hitting, baserunning and defense.
The only reasonable way to move Castro...
is to upgrade at SS.
For instance, signing Jose Reyes would be a reason to move him from SS.
Otherwise, it’s not really worth it.
This.
And he wouldn’t go to third, he should go to second IMO.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah it's 2B for me too.
Like you say below, he doesn’t hit for enough power to man a corner nor does he really project to.
Plus, he’s got the athleticism and…iunno…stuff….to play an up the middle position.
I could see him ending up with Jeter-like power, but Jeter was hitting more homeruns at this age than Castro.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeter wasn't actually in the majors at Castro's current age, so it's hard to compare...
In terms of ISO, Castro’s 21 year old season (.115) compares to Jeter’s 22 year old season (.116). Where Jeter really separates himself from Castro is in OBP.
Yes, obviously
I wouldn’t suggest we move him to make us worse. My point was that if his defense doesn’t improve, we shouldn’t be wed to the idea of keeping him at SS.
Where he stays depends on how he progresses both offensively and defensively and who we have available at 2B/3B/SS in the future.
His defense will be fine at SS..
He has the range, he has the arm, he has the athletic ability to be a top flight SS. What’s pulling him down are mental errors and stupid mistakes. As he gets older those will improve and he will be above league average.
It’s not like he doesn’t have the skills to stick and be very good – he certainly does. This board tends to look at his error numbers and consider him poor defensively, when that really wont be the case.
I'd say he "hopefully" will be fine...
I simply don’t assume players will get better at mental errors and stupid mistakes. I agree he has the tools to be a fine shortstop defensively. It may even be likely that he gets past the mental mistakes. But that’s not at all as much of a gien as you’re suggesting.
If I had posted that Castro wasn't going to move
I would have been drowned out by thirty posts about how he is going to “fill out like Hanley”. So it’s 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
I could care less.
Also Flaherty isn't the future 3B
He doesn’t have the arm for it as many many scouts point out. DJ is more likely.
Couple things....
A. Castro isn’t enough of a power hitter for a corner infielder.
B. A lot of his poor defense is a result of his youth, such as throwing the ball when there’s no chance of getting the guy, double pumping, etc…
C. He has fantastic range and a great arm for a shortstop.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know that I agree with point C...
I think he has solid range and a solid arm for a shorstop. But I don’t think he stands out in this regard. I think people are just too used to Ryan Theriot at SS (who had terrible range AND a terrible arm).
I agree on A and B. Right now, his bat only plays at 2B or SS. If it develops enough, we could move him to 3B (if we don’t have an alternative at 3B and do have an alternative at SS).
Last year, Starlin made 60 out of zone plays in 1073.2 innings...
To contrast, Troy Tulowitzki made 51 in 1065 innings. Tulowitzki is blowing him away this year, however, but the range is there IMO.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're wrong...
Castro certainly has a cannon for an arm. His arm would compete with any SS out there right now – his main problem is accuracy of those throws.
The theory is that he will fill out and lose the range, though
A lot of scouts believe this. I don’t think they’ll actually move him until they have to. Sorry for the storm of posts. Let’s talk about Aramis some more.
Keep in mind...
…without Pena at 1st, Castro would have a lot more errors from errant throws.
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Off topic: You are the same BeerBaron from PT aren't you?
If I remember correctly you are in DeKalb? I used to argue with you a few years ago when I used to post on the clusterf that is PT. My name was “dnbkidd”
I haven't seen anything, either.
That may portend moves. Usually, some of the best Cubs moves come after radio silence.
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I hope you are correct.....maybe Jim is very busy with the new info that ARam wants to go...
Who knows….
I'm sure Jim is very busy.
He’s got two more days.
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I'm also a little ticked off
that there aren’t any rumors involving anyone besides Aramis.
The Braves, Indians and Phillies are looking at Ryan Ludwick for Christ sake. Why wouldn’t they look at Byrd?
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by TheBeerBaron on Jul 29, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
And the Nationals
What does Denard Span have that Byrd doesn’t have—besides great speed?
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by TheBeerBaron on Jul 29, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Why are the Nationals interested in trading Drew Storen?
That makes no sense to me.
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Span is only 27 and Byrd is 33
that’s a major difference
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What DTJChris said...
Age. Why do the Nats want old guys?
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Age and money...
I’m sure Span doesn’t make what Byrd is making,even if Byrd is somewhat reasonably priced.
I haven't read anything at all.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Tweets from this afternoon...
…. seem to indicate that this was all a “misunderstanding”.
Ramirez didn’t ask to leave, isn’t going to, and wants to stay next year.
Next?
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Next?
What the hell do you want us to talk about? The lineup? We have one very valuable trade chip who is in the last year of his contract. If he was moved he’s likely to net us a prospect who would instantly be our best prospect.
Why you become some chippy and rude whenever a trade is brought up ie beyond me. You are free to run your blog how you want, but if you don’t like trade discussions don’t run a blog about professional sports.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jul 29, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think you read far too much into Al's post
And way to come into someone’s house and piss all over the floor.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
If the host is throwing
drinks in the faces of his guests…
DEJESUS!!!
Hardly.
This has turned out to be a big deal made about nothing, yet again. Go ahead and talk about it, but know that 98% of these rumors turn out to be nothing.
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Including the rumors you spewed out earlier this week.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Jul 30, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I actually think the Cub beat writers are all idiots.
Here’s what you do. Ask Ramirez if he’s willing to accept a trade if it happens to come up. He answers, and that’s it. From all the tweets I’m reading, they love making everything so complicated. It’s not that hard.
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
How else do you fill sports new 24/7?
There’s only so much they can drone on about….
Not all of them......
… Bruce Miles is s stand up guy.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
So ARam for $16 Million next year
I do not get why he wants to stay with this team and why is Hendry not willing to move him.
How do you know
Hendry isn’t willing to move him? Aramis has to agree to the move and he says he’s not leaving so not much Hendry can do.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
because
Aramis said that nobody from the organization has even mentioned a trade to him, and the Angels have said they would be very interested if he was available. Ergo, there is a trade party interested in acquiring him and a player who hasn’t been approached about a trade.
If Hendry is trying, he is doing it without talking to Aramis about his NTC and without talking to the team most interested in him.
DEJESUS!!!
Where/when did the Angels say that?
Has the trade deadline passed?
Seriously... when HAVE the Angels said that?
Reagins says the usual things like “we’re always looking to improve” but just this mornng in the LA Times Scioscia is quoted as saying he “likes the club as it is” and doesn’t anticipate any trades. I prefer to go by what I hear or read Reagins or Scicoscia say as opposed to some guy, no matter who it is, tweeting it.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
How do you know Hendry and the Angels aren't/haven't talked?
The LAST thing you do in a trade is ask the player after a deal is ready. Say, “Aramis, I can trade you to the Angels for a package that I think is best for us moving forward, would you waive your NTC to head west?”
Saying, “Hey, Aramis, we want to trade you but have no idea where or for who yet, you cool with that?” doesn’t go over as well.
So Hendry
and the other GM are supposed to spend hours and hours going over the specifics of a deal, not knowing if it’s even possible to make something happen? You would think Hendry would at least give Ramirez the courtesy of finding out his intentions, whether he would like to go to a contender, and what parameters/teams he’d feel comfortable with in a trade.
And you would think Ramirez, after having been paid tens of millions of dollars by the Cubs, would give them the courtesy of telling them whether he’d accept a trade and what teams he’d like to play for.
DEJESUS!!!
Well first off they're not obligated to tell us anything.
Ramirez was speaking very tongue in cheek when he answered questions about being traded. He also added that no other team wants him because they want good players.
Hell, there’s the possibility the Cubs don’t want to trade him. I think the Cubs and Ramirez like each other very much, and if they plan to contend in 2012 he’d be a nice player to have. I also think his offensive approach is one the organization likes and would like to build on. The whole low K, lots of doubles, 25+ HR, strong BA/OBP at 3B thing is probably appealing in it’s own way. The low K, lots of doubles, strong/BA/OBP part sounds like our most talented young hitter…Maybe they like the influence.
Of course,it’d be crazy not to trade him if someone really wanted to pay in prospects for him. Here’s hoping Hendry holds out for Chatwood if he is talking to the Angels…
you should
be able to get good for aramis. if he does’nt want out of this train wreck he’s crazy.dont blow this one jimbo.
the trouble
with hendry is he’s too loyal to his players.he should blow this team up. this offense has been horrible the last 2 years. and guys like byrd soto and others are responsible.and trotting out the same guys next year will kill the season before it starts.we need new players plain and simple.
David Kaplan said if he were Hendry
he would call Aramis into his office and tell him if he won’t wave his NTC that he will find himself on the bench that the Cubs have other players they want to try at 3rd base. Is this possible to do and would it be right to do that?
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Not a great idea
Which is why Kaplan does broadcasting instead.
Who would they try at 3rd? Isn’t that one one of the issues with dealing Ramirez, that they really don’t have a ready replacement? Moreover, it devalues whatever they MIGHT get for him if they can manage a trade after the team does what amounts to a little tantrum by sitting him.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Lemahieu AND Flaherty?
Neither may be the long term solution, but they certainly have potential and need AB’s somewhere.
But if we already know they aren't the answer, why bother?
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Because we don't... and we're not going to know unless "we" "bother" to play them.
File that under simple answers to simple questions.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 30, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Because they still have the potential to hold the fort down for a couple years.
And they both need ABs to see if they can hit ML pitching.
If Hendry...
…had the best interests of the club in mind (and not so concerned about respecting a players 5/10 rights), he should have a heart to heart with Ramirez and state:
We aren’t sure whether you fit into our plans to pick up your option for next year. Right now, I could probably move you to a club that has a chance to compete for a playoff spot and you can show the league what you can do in those circumstances which would bolster your future value. If you are willing to do that, I will explore deals and run them by you if I get a deal that would be beneficial for the Cubs.
If there is a chance Ramirez is not back (and I’m sure there is), Hendry would not be doing his job if he wasn’t exploring trades (trying to convince Ramirez to approve), if it was something that made sense for the club.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I agree
anytime you throw a temper tantrum and bench a guy because you dont get your way it’s a bad idea, similar to the NFL when players dont report because they want a better contract…guess what you just made life more difficult because you are now a selfish pariah…
You do have to consider it
was Kaplan who said this. Of course he thinks he is never wrong.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
There's no "no veterans" rule for rebuilding teams....
In fact, veterans are vital on any kind of team. One as good as Ramirez is usually worth keeping, unless you plan to not contend for a very long time. I don’t think the Cubs share that idea with the many people who seem to want them to go for that.
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