Chicago Cubs vs. St. Louis Cardinals Preview, Sunday 7/31, 7:05 CT: The Truth From St. Louis
The Cubs made no deadline deals (apart from the trade of Kosuke Fukudome to the Indians on Thursday). This doesn't go along with my "blow it up" theme from yesterday; maybe I'll have something more tomorrow, but I think I said most of what I had to say on this topic last night. If you need to vent, go to this FanPost. In the meantime, there is a game tonight, but I will be attending the Paul McCartney concert at Wrigley Field, and thus will miss tonight's ESPN Cubs/Cardinals telecast.
For that, I am grateful. Never thought I would say that about a Cubs game, because I love baseball and watching the Cubs. After yesterday's disaster, though, a night off won't hurt.
Speaking of yesterday's disaster, check out what longtime St. Louis columnist Bernie Miklasz said about the Cubs in his game recap:
If you're a new baseball fan and wanted to know why the Chicago Cubs haven't won a World Series since 1908, just slide in a DVD copy of Saturday's bottom of the fifth inning at Busch Stadium.
And there it is: a quick but essential history of the Cubs, conveniently reduced to youtube.com length. It's a remarkable collection of physical errors, brain freezes, indifference, feral pitching, the obligatory managerial meltdown and other acts of baseball malfeasance.
I could have done without the 1908 reference, but Miklasz is correct. I particularly like the phrase "feral pitching". How anyone in Cubs management can continue to pretend that nothing is wrong beyond a few patches, is beyond me.
So enjoy this game, or try to, if you're watching. Me, I'll be enjoying Sir Paul.
Cubs lineup:
Johnson RF, Castro SS, Ramirez 3B, Pena 1B, Byrd CF, Soriano LF, Barney 2B, Hill C, Dempster P
Cardinals lineup:
Schumaker 2b, Jay cf, Pujols 1b, Holliday lf, Berkman rf, Freese 3b, Molina c, Descalso ss, Westbrook p
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Which Ryan Dempster do we get today? The guy who threw eight shutout innings vs. the Marlins on July 15? Or the one who got pounded by the Phillies in his next start after that one? One thing that Dempster has done well this year -- after getting hammered for nine home runs in his first six starts (31 innings), he's given up just five homers and posted a 3.51 ERA in 16 starts (97.1 innings) since then. His one start vs. St. Louis this year, on June 3, wasn't so great, and was responsible for two of those five HR (Lance Berkman, Albert Pujols).
The Cubs are 1-7 against the Cardinals so far this year. The only game they won was started by Jake Westbrook on May 11 at Wrigley Field; they hit him hard, knocking him out in the third inning, getting six hits and five runs in that time. Remember when Cubs teams used to be able to do that? Westbrook has a career 6.59 ERA vs. the Cubs in three starts; Carlos Pena, in particular, has hit him well (11-for-33, .333, four HR).
Today's game is on ESPN. Most of today's games are over, but here is the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today.
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Please visit our SB Nation Cardinals site Viva el Birdos.
Today's first pitch thread will be up at 7:05 p.m. CDT and the overflow threads will post at 8 pm, 9 pm and 9:45 pm CDT. If you need more overflows due to extra innings or rain delays, post them in the fanshot section.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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first on the it's gonna happen thread
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
What's going to happen?
Another embarrassement on national TV? I hope not…
(just what will happen is another story)
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
I am more concerned that this is a plan.
Drew
by SecTaylor on Jul 31, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 31, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Breaking Bad is on tonight
If you are watching baseball – that is your problem.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Ah, I'm packing my office for a move. I'll have them on the other room as noise.
My cat puked at the end of the game yesterday. I think I need to put rubber sheets around the TV.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
I'm going to watch Leverage...
I’m not sure I can take many more Cubs games.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
New episode of True Blood is on tonight also
the wife got me hooked.
I'll watch the Cubs
til Ice Road Truckers comes on. After that’s over I’m not sure.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
Curb Your Enthusiasm!!
Larry David > This Team
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
In Plain Sight Too
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I have one more episode of Ice Pilots on DVR
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 31, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Aw, come on folks

The Cubs Anime Girls are still believing.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Big media should spare us 1908. OTOH, 1981 seems most appropriate...
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
I know I was at that game.
Might even be in that photo, toward the right — sat in RF until the bleacher reconstruction.
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Holy crap, Al...you're breaking "The Streak"?
Now I know how those Orioles’ fans felt when Cal sat out a game.
On a different note…I’ve been watching MLB TV off and on today and the best tweet I seen that scrolled across the bottom was..
.“Cubs players want to stay (Wood, A-Ram) and Cubs won’t trade others (Byrd, Pena)…just one big happy family”
I thought that was cute…in a sickening sort of way.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
oh wait...games in st. louis...my bad...streak still in tack...
been a long day
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
Jim Hendry is quite possibly the most incompetent GM in baseball
I don’t
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
Boy, sure glad for insightful commentary here
Is that all ya got? Please, explain what is the point of repeating this overandoverandoverandover.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 31, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Go Cubs - Give us at least a little, itty bitty bit of joy.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Enjoy
the Concert Al. McCartney is worth seeing live.
by If we only had Hubbs on Jul 31, 2011 5:14 PM CDT reply actions
I missed the last two games.
Glad I get to watch tonight. Should be an exciting matchup.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
Opss
You didn’t miss anything except for the same old story.
I read the game recaps.
Appears we lost a couple times. What a shame.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
I see the shock therapy your mother and I ordered for you paid off
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Jul 31, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I had a breakdown when it was reported Hendry wasn't going to unload anybody.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
Yeah, I missed the last 2 as well, and happily so.
But I don’t get to see Colvin tonight, wah.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be interested to see if this could at least be a near-500 team with a different manager.
Maybe Quade is just that bad.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2011 5:21 PM CDT reply actions
Or this team is just that bad.
I don’t think a different manger would have made any difference.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
I disagree
Diffrent MGR wouldn’t have made then contenders by no means but coulda definitely improved this club in many ways.
by cubsluver22 on Jul 31, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, that's my line of thought.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I want a manger who magically delivers RISP and Fielding% in a box
When you find him, then replace Quade.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Jul 31, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Dumbledore is dead
~Ronald Reagan has held the two most demeaning jobs in the country; President of the United States and radio broadcaster for the Chicago Cubs~ George F. Will
by unretrofied93 on Jul 31, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
That is something we will never know.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
I agree 22
My concern at this point is how can we actually figure out what we really have to work with by the end of the season. It is time to change the atmosphere in this clubhouse and try to evaluate the talent, mentality and willingness of this roster. Now. Maybe even try to be the team with the best record in baseball even if it is only for the last week of the season.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Jul 31, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree...
…that a better manager wouldn’t have made a difference, but it certainly wouldn’t have been enough to be a competitive club.
I don’t believe, I have seen a manager more overmatched in every sense than Mike Quade. Add his rookie pitching coach and bench coach in there and you have quite a staff.
A good manager may have won 5-6 more games than Quade. But, the real difference would have been in the culture of the club and setting expectations for when they get a better roster. Right now, the current manager is wallowing and isn’t teaching any of the players anything positive.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jul 31, 2011 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't say better I said different.
I guess we’ll agree to disagree on the rest.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
I don't think it will work then...
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
this team is a crappy run down beater
quade just made it uglier by spray painting it hot pink
I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Coolio, we need some help ..

Somebody get Paul Taylor. I heard he might have been a Cubs fan once ..
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
This little thing needs to go the way of the dodo
enough
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by Gibbon Jockey on Jul 31, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Why is Reed in RF?
I thought we were gonna see what Colvin can do everyday and give Starlin a chance to leadoff? It’s not like we’re facing a lefty.
How dare you take the teams words literally!
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2011 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't managament and manager know
what’s the other is thinking? Were told by Hendry Colvin is going to come up and play so that they can see what he has or doesn’t yet Quade doesn’t play him?
Him too...same with Lickity Split Campana...
ain’t the future…move on…Maybe we can trade Colvin, Montanez and Campana to Cleveland for Fukudome? Gitrdun Jimbo.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
Not trying to start a firestorm, but with all the chagrin about the Cubs failure to move
What makes anybody think that the Cubs tradeable pieces would ever NOT clear waivers?
I’ve little faith in the front office, but at this point, the pieces most want to move will most certainly not be claimed by anyone henceforth and thus hopefully increasing return.
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If the club was not even willing to TALK trade what makes you think they will after the trade deadline
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Jul 31, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I admit to not following this trade deadline stuff...or the cubs....all that closely lately
so I don’t know anything about whether the Hendry was just being obstinate.
I’ve no idea.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Jul 31, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
As to the Sir Paul McCartney appearance...
This is one of the coolest stories ever. Even if he was spotted by a bunch of Cardinals fans.
Sir Paul McCartney takes a ‘pit stop’ at a Springfield Circle K
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This has been one of the most frustrating and tense days I've seen on BCB.
Even Al was showing rage!
I don't get why it's happening now
This team has been rage-worthy since May.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Jul 31, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Because the front office is even dumber than we originally thought.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
'we' ?
hehe
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by Gibbon Jockey on Jul 31, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been as down on this team and front office as anyone
but I was blown away by the incompetence shown at this trade deadline.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Jul 31, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
So...let me see....
you’ll trade just for the sake of trading, and not get value, is that all people want here?
Then, you folks will proclaim “JH didn’t get enough,” followed by the usual snark.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 31, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
In all honesty, yes. That's what I wanted.
Even if it meant fielding the Charlie Brown All-Stars in their place. Clear the deadwood and start afresh.
Who is to say we weren't offered value in these trades?
we have no idea what was or wasn’t offered from other teams. So I can’t say definitively one way or the other Hendry was refusing to make deals because he wasn’t offered value. All I can say is I didn’t really see any team get fleeced in all the trades occurring, leading me to believe that there was value for value changing hands at the deadline. Why would it then be difficult for Hendry to follow suit?
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
None of us knows if value for value was offered in potential deals involving the Cubs
The lack of action seems to imply that.
But that is just one opinion.
Let’s take Marmol. The Rangers were a possible suitor. Perhaps they wanted the Cubs to pay ALL of next year’s salary. This is pure speculation.
How many players must the Cubs keep paying if they are not here? The idiot Dodgers are still sending checks to Manny Ramirez.
This whole team would clear waivers. Let’s see what happens then.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 31, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
In regards to the Rangers
I may be wrong but I’m too lazy to look back and see. From what I remember in their two reliever trades with the Orioles and Padres there was no money changing hands, only prospects. Again, I may be wrong, but both of the Ranges’ new set up men are signed through 2012 and the Padres nor Orioles are paying their salaries.
My main issue is not trading Pena, who is only signed through this year and will only be a type B free agent, so literally anything they would get for him would be a net gain. But, again, have no idea what was offered for any of our players.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
O's are paying 2mill for koji
I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
and pena wont be a type B
I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's wait until their contracts expire
Fact is, we’ve been waiting and waiting without any improvement. Is there a time limit when we realize that Hendry is incapable of improving this organization?
If it wasn't for the injuries, we'd be printing WS tickets right now.
I agree...
…it takes two to tango with trades and you need to get decent value in return.
With that said, I am having a hard time believing no one was offering anything worth a damn for anybody, but I could be wrong.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
All of us could be wrong about everything....
But when you are in desperation mode, and the players you are offering……well, let’s face it. There’s no game-changer in the whole damn bunch, with the exception of Aramis, who could have helped an AL team as A DH.
But he had the right to refuse a deal.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 31, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Well said...
…and we will likely never know the truth as to why more movement didn’t happen.
I’m starting to wonder whether Ricketts put the shackles on Hendry, because he is indeed planning on letting him go and he wants his new guy to work deals in the offseason. But, the more I think about it, I don’t think Ricketts has the nads to do that.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Enjoy the game between Jim Hendry's Untouchables and The St. Louis Cardinals!!!!!!
Had to be said again…..
Ha...Untouchables
Sorry…I’m new to this BCB meme.
I like it.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Jul 31, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Why even bother with Colvin
if we’re only going to platoon him. What a bunch of crap! Let’s see what he can do. Play him regularly and if he’s lousy for the rest of the year then let him go. I too read that Hendry or Quade said they were going to play him everyday. I guess they changed their mind after one day.
Manager is dumb
You don’t put a young free swinger in the 8 spot. Especially when you want to help his confidence and you have barney who actually did ok in the 8 spot
Let's just switch the AAA and MLB rosters for the rest of the year.
Send the whole major league team to Iowa, and all of Iowa up here. Then, bring a few pitching prospects from AA to the new big league club and boom, suddenly the team isn’t as bad.
by Bled Dry on Jul 31, 2011 6:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
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I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I was more of thinking
7PM watch the cubs till holliday gets hit
8PM watch all the replays of the bench clearing brawl that ensues
8:10PM finish the rest of my old styles and chain smoke so i can handle such a bad team
9PM Breaking Bad
~Ronald Reagan has held the two most demeaning jobs in the country; President of the United States and radio broadcaster for the Chicago Cubs~ George F. Will
by unretrofied93 on Jul 31, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you really think the Cubs bench will actually clear?
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
I'm expecting warnings issued at the least
But I’m willing to bet the Cards know something could be coming and are fired up about it
~Ronald Reagan has held the two most demeaning jobs in the country; President of the United States and radio broadcaster for the Chicago Cubs~ George F. Will
by unretrofied93 on Jul 31, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone remember that clip someone had on YouTube
When someone on the Cubs got drilled in a road game and a camera was rolling in the dugout when Jim Frey and Larry Bowa were pacing up and down in the dugout. Frey was fuming but Bowa was screaming obscenities at the other bench. I think it was Amalfitano that may have been trying to keep Bowa from going completely berserk, but I think it was someone else. Joey would have been gone when Frey was there.
Be nice to see that kind of fire. But I doubt it.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Would love a link
But i don’t see anyone having that fire at this point, i just get sad when i think about our coaching staff
~Ronald Reagan has held the two most demeaning jobs in the country; President of the United States and radio broadcaster for the Chicago Cubs~ George F. Will
by unretrofied93 on Jul 31, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
The clip's been gone for a good while
I do have the file downloaded here. But it would take forever to upload.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
you got deep dish pizza, hot Italian beef and tons of steak fries?
i AM THERE
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
I've got a powerade, case of OS and a fresh box of chocolate pudding
~Ronald Reagan has held the two most demeaning jobs in the country; President of the United States and radio broadcaster for the Chicago Cubs~ George F. Will
by unretrofied93 on Jul 31, 2011 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
any hot wings?
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
negative, but getting ready to pick up the best damn pizza on the planet though
NY Style though, not deep dish as requested
~Ronald Reagan has held the two most demeaning jobs in the country; President of the United States and radio broadcaster for the Chicago Cubs~ George F. Will
by unretrofied93 on Jul 31, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
"Brock for Broglio" Fluff Piece: complete with Billy Williams interview ..
God I hate ESPN.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
yep .. the cold logic was correct
Brock would have been the difference in 1968 and .. oh God .. 1969. Maybe enough spark to keep everyone else from folding. Who knows?
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Let's not go there.
We did OK with the deal for Ryno, save for no championship.
At the time, it could NOT be predicted what Brock was about to blossom into.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 31, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
you're full of bullshit excuses today.
The sun is up. They sky is blue. It's beautiful, and so are you. Dear Prudence, won't you come out to play? ~Lennon & McCartney
by SouthWabashSoul on Jul 31, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
This is the first time...
… a team waved the white flag at the trading deadline by NOT dealing any of its players.
frankly, I don't think we would have gotten anything worth while
The Cubs are basically chum in the water and every other franchise is closing in to feast on the carrion .. and Mike’s such a great coach. Why go anywhere?
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
well my steak sandwich is calling my name, as well as the crispy tater tots
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
How in the world can we move forward
with a 1st baseman hitting .122 vs RHP and making $10M. His WAR this year is only 0.5.
If it wasn't for the injuries, we'd be printing WS tickets right now.

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