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This is the place - the place to post your best rants about the fact that Tom Ricketts and Jim Hendry seem to be completely unable or unwilling to accept that the 2011 Cubs are a terrible team and that it would be in the best long term interest of the Cubs and their fans that significant trades be made to build for the future.

As the hours click down to the deadline, as you click refresh on the MLB Trade Rumors site, stare at Phil Rogers' story with your head in your hands, sobbing, and go off to get that fourth midday beer, just remember to post your rants here. We may be screwed as fans, but there's no reason we can't share each other's pain.

And for those few remaining optimists, ranging from "glass half full" to "Pollyanna", please understand that this probably isn't the right place for you. This is for bitter, angry ranting. This is for frustration. We aren't looking to change anyone's minds here. If you want to be optimistic somewhere, you can create a room for that. Thanks for understanding and have a day.

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Yeah f those Cubs

for not trading Carlos Pena and getting back a couple D level prospects, or trading Jeff Baker for a 25 year old pitcher in high A. F them.

God, some of you guys are insane.

by Bad Midget on Jul 31, 2011 2:13 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Or not trading bullpen arms to get the return the Padres got?

Yeah, we’re insane. Or not trading Marlon Byrd, for the “haul” Ken Rosenthal mentioned? Insanity.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

No mention of actual players...

…..so you can draw your own conclusion on Rosenthal’s use of the word.

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 31, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

many thanks.

"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin

by davidalanu on Jul 31, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, what carmen said.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

SWL

 there was LOTS that could have been accomplished. This is currently the worst run organization in Sports, bar none. I’m an eternal optimist and this team of sad-ass management rivals the perverse and pathetic era of Ed Lynch for fiscal and player mismanagement.

The argument that none of these players should be traded because we couldn’t have gotten a return for them only reinforces that claim.

The sun is up. They sky is blue. It's beautiful, and so are you. Dear Prudence, won't you come out to play? ~Lennon & McCartney

by SouthWabashSoul on Jul 31, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's the consensus on lack of trades thus far?

Is Hendry holding out because he thinks we can compete next year with the same core of players or is he just not getting offered what is reasonable? Or is it just not what Hendry thinks is reasonable?

"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck

by Musicdude10 on Jul 31, 2011 2:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Jim Hendry's best interests and the Cubs are not connected

If the Cubs have a “solid” 2nd half he will say the pieces are here and with the money freeing up we will be contenders next year when a complete retooling of the Cubs is in the best interest of the team. Can’t have a lame duck GM, doesn’t work.

by Steves Stoners on Jul 31, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing

If you have a really, really bad team, the pieces of that team probably aren’t that good, either.

I wouldn’t have a problem with trading Soto, Marmol or Byrd, but if whoever is the current GM thinks that those players should be a part of the 2012 team, it is what it is.

Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 31, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those players can be traded in the off season too

I’m not upset that they aren’t being traded right now. Perhaps Ricketts wants the next GM to make that evaluation?

I’d trade Grabow for anything though, even if someone were offering $200K in salary relief. Pena really has me scratching me head though. maybe what they are being offered is less than the supplemental pick they may get if he is a Type B FA.

by jerry morales rules on Jul 31, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh absolutely

That being said, teams can get desperate and give up a lot to get players if they think those players can give the final push to get them to the playoffs or world series. I think the Giants would have given a lot for Soto. I think there could have been a big haul for Marmol and Aramis. In Ramirez’s case, if he truly wants to be in Chicago, great. He’s a solid, above average (both offensively and defensively) 3B and gives the fans a familiar face. Bring him back. But honestly, if he loves Chicago, he can manage for 2-3 months in another city and help this team out in the future with a trade, and re-sign in the off season.

"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck

by Musicdude10 on Jul 31, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

We can hope that his apparent inaction only reflects the owner's intent to let a new management team handle major transactions...

…following this 100-loss season. Hendry and Quade already may have received buyouts.

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Jul 31, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

*Twitch*
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
If you are wondering what the #Cubs are (not) doing, you are not alone, front office guy just asked me the same thing #NoGoodAnswer

I’d get it if the Cubs were getting bad offers from teams, but this is getting ridiculous.

by Outshined_One on Jul 31, 2011 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Right.

So it’s not just some of us who are wondering. Other baseball people can’t figure it out, either.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's all of us who are wondering the same thing, Al.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep...

It’s becoming clear that Ricketts doesn’t care about winning baseball….100% true if he’s at Wrigley tonight attending the concert and shaking hands…

Two Words: Salty Saltwell

by Unclemike on Jul 31, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait.

If he’s at a concert, that means he doesn’t care about winning baseball?

That makes no sense at all.

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by Al Yellon on Aug 1, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he were on safari, however . . .

;-)

Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 1, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jim Hendry sits with all his shiny toys on display with his cell phone at the ready...

but sadly, the General is delusional. The shiny parts he sees are dysfunctional, rusty and broken toys that no other GM wants. Or if there is interest, the price is so ridiculous that the other would-be traders quickly back away. And so the delusional General waits in bewilderment whilst trades fly all around him, certain that these mangled parts are perfect with the addition of a couple of off season tweaks.

by bob9550 on Jul 31, 2011 2:44 PM CDT reply actions  

So the older players will get older, slower, and worse

The younger players(Castro, Barney, Jackson, and….and…..um….who else is young and ML ready, and not blocked by an old, uncaring veteran?) will get a little bit better to attempt to offset this. Adding a bat bigger than Pena’s but a glove worse than his in the offseason seems like a wash to me. Another 90+ loss year next year it seems like to me.

by Bled Dry on Jul 31, 2011 2:46 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I've been saying all along that the Cubs wouldn't trade many players.

but I’m surprised that Fukudome was it. I figured someone like Grabow would be moved for a Grade D prospect. The hope that teams would pick up the salary of a Soriano or Zambrano was never realistic.

Sure someone like Baker could be traded but the return wouldn’t be much. Other than maybe Byrd, I’m not surprised that nothing happened.

John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.

by rlpete on Jul 31, 2011 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Why is it,

The Cubs didn’t want to trade anyone who might have gotten us some good prospects and yet they were supposedly in “Selling” mode???

This is beyond ridiculous. I get the feeling the front office has no idea what they’re doing.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2011 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Hendry expects to compete in 2012.

I really think that is the reason.

John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.

by rlpete on Jul 31, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

or...

fire sale=lose job.

Hence, stand pat.

I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.

by timh815 on Jul 31, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hendry does not have a Plan or a Clue

 what to do to make a winning team here. The man must have a good line of Bull. He obviously had the old owners and has the new owners convinced he know’s what he’s doing, He’s still here.

by NYCUB FAN on Aug 1, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.

by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2011 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Putting aside the question of what they

did or didn’t do at the trade deadline in a vacuum, looking at the big picture, I’m completely at a loss as to what plan or direction this organization has right now. And frankly, I in all seriousness wonder if someone in the front office could tell me if I asked.

You decided to keep Baker AND Dewitt, in a market where easily a half-dozen teams were scrambling for good utility men? I just don’t get it.

by Damen Jackson on Jul 31, 2011 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't imagine...

… they couldn’t have gotten a half-decent prospect for either of those guys from the Brewers, who are desperate for infield help.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

See,

now you’re just reading my mind.

by Damen Jackson on Jul 31, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dewitt and Baker – I can imagine it.

"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane

by ol Pete on Aug 1, 2011 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just speculation....

Hendry knows he has to “compete” in 2012 to keep his job. He already has a bunch of holes he has to fill, I suspect he couldn’t afford any more by unloading someone like Byrd.

I don’t agree with any of it because even a Prince can’t make this team a contender in 2012 but it could be Hendry’s thinking.

John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.

by rlpete on Jul 31, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

So...

From what’s been reported, all the Cubs did leading up to the deadline was trade Fukudome and attempt to trade Wood. They turned away deals for Marmol, Pena, and Byrd, among others. Perhaps all of the deals that were offered were poor, but that seems a bit extreme considering how many trades were made that involved quality prospects and considering the number of players on this Cubs team that would draw interest from contenders.

I’m getting a sinking feeling we won’t even see anyone noteworthy traded over the next month.

by Outshined_One on Jul 31, 2011 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Apparently...

Jim Hendry doesn’t believe in addition by subtraction. Honestly, with the lineup as it is, this team will struggle to win 15 games the rest of the season. We seriously could not give away guys that aren’t helping us win. I, like others, wonder wtf is going on in the front office. Isn’t the definition of insanity doing things the same way over and over again and expecting the same results? Honestly, I don’t expect a decent team until 2013. We might become the Pirates of the last 20 years.

by blkmetalcoffee on Jul 31, 2011 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't you mean the cats?

J/k, seniorgato.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Jul 31, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

INSANITY

The Cubs organization is insane and it is driving me crazy. I guess we have the Chicago Rush in the playoffs and NFL is back.

by lshaffer_69 on Jul 31, 2011 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

For once

The Bears are spending money and making decent moves. We’ll see how Williams turns out and I’m not sure why they got Barber but they got him for cheap

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by Musicdude10 on Jul 31, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

and they dumped Kreutz for a younger, bigger and probably better center

Hendry makes Jerry Angelo look brilliant by comparison.

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by lookingdeadred on Aug 1, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dome was it I guess.....

Hendry just left a message that NO on his cell phone after that…..

by TJ11 on Jul 31, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sigh.

That’s what I was told a week ago. I believe it was true when I was told that. Obviously, things changed.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just curious if you could reveal what you heard now?

Now that the deadline has passed. Don’t have to reveal your source or anything.

We'll all miss you Ron.

by alkappy on Jul 31, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Supposedly, multiple players were supposd to be gone.

Including Soriano. That’s all I know. Obviously, it didn’t happen, and I do not have any more info on WHY it didn’t happen.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm... interesting, thanks.

I was curious to see what they were at least trying to do. Boy, that would have been sweet.

We'll all miss you Ron.

by alkappy on Jul 31, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its always tough when you are told something and it doesn' t happen

Reporters all over feel your pain. i hate when that happens. not only for you, but for the cubs and their fans and for guys like Reed Johnson who should be playing today for a contender. There really aren’t words for how disappointing today turned out to be.

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by RTGrules on Jul 31, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I assumed you were talking about Soriano.

I doubt not moving Pena or Byrd or whoever has any sort of value was just decided upon yesterday. The Cubs hoped to dump Soriano, and no one bit. It takes two to dump a wildly overpaid player, and a hell of a lot of cash.

FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.

by shoemile on Jul 31, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

why it didnt happen? you dont have info on why it didnt happen?

because alfonso soriano is 34,5,6 or 7 and his legs are dead, his swing is slow, his bat is heavy, he cant hit, he cant run, he cant catch, and he’s owed about a billion dollars for three more years. no TEAM wants that. no FAN BASE wants that. no ONE wants that. the reason he wasnt traded is that he is no longer valuable.

by epsilon on Aug 1, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could it be...

…that Ricketts put restrictions on Hendry, because he doesn’t trust him anymore?

Could it be, Ricketts wants a new GM to handle any trades in the offseason?

Jeez, I hope so, but I’m not holding my breath.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 1, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would have to say that this would be the most hopeful conclusion to this season-----that TR does not trust JH decisions anymore....

why let him make decisions if a new GM is in our future? the way I see it is, the Fukudome trade seems like a no-brainer. Not trading Pena seems like it makes us less desparate for a 1B superstar and leaves us with an option if neither deal happens….we all know the season is over and hopefully at the end of Sept, we will rock this site with talk about the Cubs new General Manager!

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Aug 1, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

That would be nice.

They could be waiting until Gillick comes in, and then make moves under his advisory. That’s all we can really hope for.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 1, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Things change.....

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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 31, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am truly baffled by the inaction.

The only thing I can think of is Hendry is loyal to his players by fault. But even that doesn’t make sense. Why not move a veteran like Baker to a contending team. So be it if we get back a marginal prospect. This team has run its course. I don’t expect 17 players to get traded, but Hendry should of been active and moved some players.
 This bunch is fried, deep fried. And Prince and CJ won’t turn this team into a 90 win team. All that will do is inflate the payroll some more with Soriano roaming left, Ramy taking the first two months off, DeWitt spelling Sori in left, Hill behind the plate after Soto is on the DL, Marmol walking the bases loaded, hitting a batter and Randy Wells as our 4th Starter. To top it off, Quade on the top step and Jimbo in the GM seat.

by Grockcubs on Jul 31, 2011 4:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Hendry's best quality is that he's very loyal to players on the Cubs.

However, his worst quality is that … he’s very loyal to players on the Cubs.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

The weird thing is, the same GM, in a similar situation in 2006, sent five players to the playoffs from that woebegotten team (Greg Maddux, Scott Williamson, Todd Walker, Neifi Perez and Phil Nevin). Only Maddux had any real value from that group. The players from this year’s team that could have been traded have more value than that.

It’s mystifying.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

So true...

this trade deadline lack of deals for us is logic-defying…should have been the same as ’06…

by airweino on Jul 31, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would....

 Al Davis be a better owner for the Cubs than the Ricketts?

by cubsluver22 on Jul 31, 2011 4:46 PM CDT reply actions  

As brilliant a reply as I have seen

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Aug 1, 2011 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's speculation that Ricketts might have clipped Hendry's wings on the trade front...

in anticipation of a new GM taking his place (at some unspecified point) and giving the incoming GM the same pieces to move. The problem with this thinking is that you lose the feeding frenzy mentality of a trading deadline where buyers might overpay in prospects. Yay…the roster stays intact.

by bob9550 on Jul 31, 2011 4:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh BS

I don’t believe this for a minute.

by cubsluver22 on Jul 31, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Simply unbelievable

.400 winning percentage and all they do is dump Fukudome.

I don’t even have the words. Wow. Just wow.

"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts

by bluemagic9 on Jul 31, 2011 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Now when Dempster

walks away from his player option, the Front Office will be left shocked and confused.

Any hope I had for 2012 is about out the window. Just mind-numbing insanity.

It truly is as-if I am being punished for something by being a Cubs fan.

TJ, my apologies. You were right.

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by SouthWabashSoul on Jul 31, 2011 5:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Thank you.....

I am sorry to be right…..

Wish I was not…

This whole organization is a joke and the Cub fans have to pay for it.

by TJ11 on Jul 31, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dempster won't walk.

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by alkappy on Jul 31, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you crazy? Why would he walk?

He’s going to be WAY overpaid next year and will get to stay in the organization that’s been his home for 5 years. He’s not going anywhere.

by Orval Overall on Jul 31, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Five years?

Try EIGHT years. Dempster has been a Cub since 2004.

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by Al Yellon on Aug 1, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

There wasn't any hope for 2012 anyway....

Too much limited talent still tied to big $$$$ contracts.

by ClarkFan on Aug 1, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

As a diehard Cubs fan...

I f*cking hate the Cubs right now. In all my years of being a Cubs fan, I have not seen such horrible fundamentals NOT ONLY ON THE FIELD, but in the front office!!! All we did was trade a 4th OF for C- level prospects. Why didnt we trade Pena? Soto? Both these guys are affordable and would’ve gotten us a B or higher prospect if we packaged them!! Hell, Byrd is my favorite player, but same thing on him!! Can the Cubs do ANYTHING right?

by Sunny Soriano Ramirez on Jul 31, 2011 5:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Organization is bad.

FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.

by shoemile on Jul 31, 2011 5:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Al you've spoken to Tom Ricketts at the ballpark before...

Why don’t you talk to him at the next homestand? Perhaps there was something about him that he really isn’t bright as he seems?

Two Words: Salty Saltwell

by Unclemike on Jul 31, 2011 6:27 PM CDT reply actions  

What makes Tom Ricketts special, intelligence or money?

If you take away his Dad’s money, what is it about Tom Ricketts that would make anyone believe that he has the ability to turn the Cubs organization around? What in his past recommends him to his current role? It was Joe Ricketts who amassed the 2.5 Billion Dollar fortune, not Tom. Intelligence has nothing to do with it. If it did, the most successful people in the world would be the smartest. Tom Ricketts is not an idiot. He’s just in over his head.

by Bad Dogs on Aug 1, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ricketts...

…has laid many clues one could convey as him being “in over his head”.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 1, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

You may be right, but

It’s my opinion. What has he done that inspires confidence? Took two years to negotiate his father’s purchase of the team and would still be negotiating if his father had not stepped in and given Zell a 30 day ultimatum. Hired Kaplan. Gave his father and himself black eyes trying to get a $300 Million Dollar public handout. Glad hands the fans like a politician. Look, I am hoping that I am wrong, but I do not see anything to commend him. Do you? I went to my first Cubs game in 1955. I don’t have time to wait around for a guy who is wet behind the ears to figure out how to win a World Series.

by Bad Dogs on Aug 1, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's going nuts with money for signing prospects...

They attacked some hard to sign prospects, and reports are showing they’ve signed all but one or two of them. They’ve also spend over 3.5M on IFA already with some big names still available.

He needs to hire a PR firm stat, but I don’t think he’s in over his head necessarily.

by bdlugz on Aug 1, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

The glass isn't half-empty

In fact, it’s not even empty. It fell off the counter and shattered on the bathroom floor, so if you have to get up in the middle of the night put on your slippers so you won’t slice up your feet.

Yeah, I know there should be an apostrophe in "Vails," but punctuation wasn't an option when I signed up.

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Jul 31, 2011 6:49 PM CDT reply actions  

GUH

Very, very frustrated. I thought (and still do) that Hendry deserved the benefit of the doubt until the deadline passed. The flurry of deals that just got done yesterday and today are proof of why the criticism of inaction came too early. But now that the deadline has come and gone with only Dome being traded, that criticism is more than due. As others have said (long before me): WTF Hendry?

The only consolation I have is that Soriano and Zambrano still could easily be traded this season. Both will clear waivers. But for the life of me I can’t understand the attachment to Pena (won’t be offering arb, so no compensation pick), Johnson (BBTN reports teams asked after him but we said he was unavailable), or Baker (ditto).

Pena and Johnson are players that were available cheaply late in free agency. They will be available again if we really want them around next year. But in the meantime get some salary relief from Pena to help fund next year’s budget; and get prospects for the others that you can potentially package in a trade for a real corner OF. What’s the downside?

by Orval Overall on Jul 31, 2011 7:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Trying to figure out if 2013 is going to be this bad

There’s almost no point at making a play for Pujols for Fielder if you’re not going to have a team around them. If the Cubs let Ramirez walk, they won’t have that kind of value at third base for a long time. They have no outstanding corner outfielders on the way. They have no future true “ace” on the way. What is going to happen to this team over the next two seasons?

by subtle on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 PM CDT reply actions  

At least if Ramirez walks

We’ll have someone there who actually gives a damn

by Mulhollandmania on Aug 1, 2011 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

It'll be fun watching someone who gives a damn hit .255/.316/.378 next season

That’s what all 3B in the NL have combined to hit this season. If the Cubs are lucky, they’ll find someone who can do a little better than that.

by Outshined_One on Aug 1, 2011 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd rather just give a kid a chance

We’re gonna be pretty bad next year anyway. Regardless of Prince coming to Chicago.

by Mulhollandmania on Aug 1, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't you hear?

The Cubs are going to sign Fielder AND Pujols (need TWO 1B bats, dontcha know). Then Pujols moves to third.

They will get Lee from the Rangers, Sabathia when he declines his option, and find at least one reliever somewhere. THAT’S how big market teams do it. After all, it’s not our money.

Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.

by Shanghai Badger on Aug 1, 2011 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Read Evan Brunnell in CBSSportsline

Has Cubs as big losers at the deadline. Said Hendry should be fired on the spot. So apparently we aren’t the only ones who are mystified by the lack of activity.

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by RTGrules on Jul 31, 2011 10:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Cubs franchise Motto:

We don’t care about the product on the field because drunk idiot frat boys buy our $8 beers and fill up the stands wether the team is 20 games under or over .500.

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 1, 2011 3:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Silver lining

What are some of the top names for next year’s draft? Are the Astros the only team worse than us right now? So we would get the 2nd pick?

MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT ALREADY. THIS GAME IS ABOUT ADJUSTMENTS.

by MaTheMeatloaf on Aug 1, 2011 10:31 AM CDT reply actions  

upset

I cant even put into words how I feel. Easily the most dissapointed I have ever been with the cubs. I would have taken any young pitcher for baker/dewitt/grabow. Also cant help but think they could have gotten some upside for byrd/pena/marshall

by Kchance on Aug 1, 2011 11:21 AM CDT reply actions  

As for me...

I can’t say I’m surprised by anything inept or nonsensical that the Cubs do. I certainly didn’t expect them to make any major moves.

Hendry’s preparing for next year with most of the same cast of aging, underachieving veterans. So much for the Fielder/Pujols fantasy that sustained lots of people for much of the summer.

I’m not angry or disappointed either. I lost my capacity for anger a few months ago. I don’t believe anything significant is going to happen between now and the start of next season.

Who wants to bet that Ricketts will have some personal situation (or maybe a safari) that will keep him from attending the convention this year? I can’t believe that even HE would be so clueless as to show his face there after treading water yet again.

by bluekoolaide on Aug 1, 2011 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Gillick? Probably Not.

By hiring Gillick, TR would relegate himself to a sinecure. I don’t think he wants to be thought of as the Owner’s Son who serves only as a figurehead.

by Bad Dogs on Aug 1, 2011 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

As you don't know Ricketts, you have no idea what he is or is not comfortable with.

However, there are reports saying he has talked to Gillick… I trust those reports more than I trust your psych evaluation on Tom Ricketts.

by bdlugz on Aug 1, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Todd, is that you?

I am not saying he is a bad guy. There is really no reason why he should know what he is doing. He was a Cubs fan who read all of Bill James’ books and happened to have a father with $2.5 Billion. Hiring Gillick would be a good idea IMO. I never said, “I don’t need a baseball guy to watch my baseball guy.” Just tell me why you have idealized Tom Ricketts. Why do you think he acts in mysterious ways?

by Bad Dogs on Aug 1, 2011 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Why do you think i've idealized Ricketts? I just don't take him for the idiot that many here do.

I’m more worried about what he actually does than what he says. He’s said a lot of very dumb things, but he’s also put his money where his mouth is and is giving the Cubs the best draft I’ve ever seen.

You seem to think Ricketts needs the spotlight, but I’d argue it’s the exact opposite. I think he’d like someone like Gillick coming in and helping out with baseball decisions.

by bdlugz on Aug 1, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meme

Yes, this is the meme of the apologist brigade. I do not believe Bad Dogs is saying anything conclusively about Tom. He is suggesting one interpretation of his actions and asking (sincerely I believe) if anyone has evidence that Tom is more competent than it may appear. Instead of responding to that question, you attack the poster. Business as usual for the apologist brigade.

As I asked for your thoughts, I will give you mine. I will not spend much time here because I am speculating. I readily agree I am speculating but feel free to attack me for speculating.

Tom may very well be over his head. His father is the accomplished business man. Some here criticize people who post ideas about what should be done as saying you are just a fan and fans should not be making the decisions. Is it possible that Tom is more a fan with a good education and not that much experience than an experienced, accomplished business man?

The comments about Tom needing a better public relations man may also hide a more seriously flaw. The comments are about people being ridiculous when they say they cannot afford a Cubs game with their family and asking for $200M from the state. Is this a rich frat boy with a sense of entitlement more than a tone deaf owner who needs PR help.

by WhistlerWilliams on Aug 2, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sigh...

I never attacked him personally, and I did answer his question. And the apologist brigade? Please spare me…

I’ve also never said that Tom definitely isn’t in over his head, I said I didn’t think he was. When asked what I think Tom has done that proves he’s taking steps in the right direction I mentioned the IFA signings and the ridiculous amounts being spent on the Rule 4 draft.

I don’t understand why this is difficult to follow – I’m not sitting here saying, “I’m right and you’re wrong.” I’m saying I have no idea. While Ricketts has come out and said a lot of stupid things, he’s also DONE a lot of good things putting his money where his mouth is. I’m not willing to judge someone while stuck with another ownerships crappy contracts, and I’m willing to wait until 2013 (when all but Soriano are off the books) to place judgement on what Ricketts is doing with the team as a whole.

It’s funny that you jump to someone elses defense and start placing blanket statements on me when I was never in fact attacking the poster, I was clearly attacking their interpretation of Tom Ricketts.

by bdlugz on Aug 2, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

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