The Venting Room - Blow off Your Trade Deadline Inactivity Frustration Here
This is the place - the place to post your best rants about the fact that Tom Ricketts and Jim Hendry seem to be completely unable or unwilling to accept that the 2011 Cubs are a terrible team and that it would be in the best long term interest of the Cubs and their fans that significant trades be made to build for the future.
As the hours click down to the deadline, as you click refresh on the MLB Trade Rumors site, stare at Phil Rogers' story with your head in your hands, sobbing, and go off to get that fourth midday beer, just remember to post your rants here. We may be screwed as fans, but there's no reason we can't share each other's pain.
And for those few remaining optimists, ranging from "glass half full" to "Pollyanna", please understand that this probably isn't the right place for you. This is for bitter, angry ranting. This is for frustration. We aren't looking to change anyone's minds here. If you want to be optimistic somewhere, you can create a room for that. Thanks for understanding and have a day.
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The Cubs are my favorite team, yet I hate them more than any other team right now.
by DMBCub on Jul 31, 2011 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Yeah f those Cubs
for not trading Carlos Pena and getting back a couple D level prospects, or trading Jeff Baker for a 25 year old pitcher in high A. F them.
God, some of you guys are insane.
by Bad Midget on Jul 31, 2011 2:13 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Or not trading bullpen arms to get the return the Padres got?
Yeah, we’re insane. Or not trading Marlon Byrd, for the “haul” Ken Rosenthal mentioned? Insanity.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
What was the "haul" supposed to have been for Byrd? I'm not finding that.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
No mention of actual players...
…..so you can draw your own conclusion on Rosenthal’s use of the word.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 31, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, what carmen said.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
SWL
there was LOTS that could have been accomplished. This is currently the worst run organization in Sports, bar none. I’m an eternal optimist and this team of sad-ass management rivals the perverse and pathetic era of Ed Lynch for fiscal and player mismanagement.
The argument that none of these players should be traded because we couldn’t have gotten a return for them only reinforces that claim.
The sun is up. They sky is blue. It's beautiful, and so are you. Dear Prudence, won't you come out to play? ~Lennon & McCartney
by SouthWabashSoul on Jul 31, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
What's the consensus on lack of trades thus far?
Is Hendry holding out because he thinks we can compete next year with the same core of players or is he just not getting offered what is reasonable? Or is it just not what Hendry thinks is reasonable?
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
It appears to be a combination of all of the above.
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Jim Hendry's best interests and the Cubs are not connected
If the Cubs have a “solid” 2nd half he will say the pieces are here and with the money freeing up we will be contenders next year when a complete retooling of the Cubs is in the best interest of the team. Can’t have a lame duck GM, doesn’t work.
by Steves Stoners on Jul 31, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the thing
If you have a really, really bad team, the pieces of that team probably aren’t that good, either.
I wouldn’t have a problem with trading Soto, Marmol or Byrd, but if whoever is the current GM thinks that those players should be a part of the 2012 team, it is what it is.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 31, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Those players can be traded in the off season too
I’m not upset that they aren’t being traded right now. Perhaps Ricketts wants the next GM to make that evaluation?
I’d trade Grabow for anything though, even if someone were offering $200K in salary relief. Pena really has me scratching me head though. maybe what they are being offered is less than the supplemental pick they may get if he is a Type B FA.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 31, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh absolutely
That being said, teams can get desperate and give up a lot to get players if they think those players can give the final push to get them to the playoffs or world series. I think the Giants would have given a lot for Soto. I think there could have been a big haul for Marmol and Aramis. In Ramirez’s case, if he truly wants to be in Chicago, great. He’s a solid, above average (both offensively and defensively) 3B and gives the fans a familiar face. Bring him back. But honestly, if he loves Chicago, he can manage for 2-3 months in another city and help this team out in the future with a trade, and re-sign in the off season.
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
We can hope that his apparent inaction only reflects the owner's intent to let a new management team handle major transactions...
…following this 100-loss season. Hendry and Quade already may have received buyouts.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
*Twitch*
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
If you are wondering what the #Cubs are (not) doing, you are not alone, front office guy just asked me the same thing #NoGoodAnswer
I’d get it if the Cubs were getting bad offers from teams, but this is getting ridiculous.
Right.
So it’s not just some of us who are wondering. Other baseball people can’t figure it out, either.
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It's all of us who are wondering the same thing, Al.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
yep...
It’s becoming clear that Ricketts doesn’t care about winning baseball….100% true if he’s at Wrigley tonight attending the concert and shaking hands…
Two Words: Salty Saltwell
Wait.
If he’s at a concert, that means he doesn’t care about winning baseball?
That makes no sense at all.
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If he were on safari, however . . .
;-)
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 1, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Jim Hendry sits with all his shiny toys on display with his cell phone at the ready...
but sadly, the General is delusional. The shiny parts he sees are dysfunctional, rusty and broken toys that no other GM wants. Or if there is interest, the price is so ridiculous that the other would-be traders quickly back away. And so the delusional General waits in bewilderment whilst trades fly all around him, certain that these mangled parts are perfect with the addition of a couple of off season tweaks.
So the older players will get older, slower, and worse
The younger players(Castro, Barney, Jackson, and….and…..um….who else is young and ML ready, and not blocked by an old, uncaring veteran?) will get a little bit better to attempt to offset this. Adding a bat bigger than Pena’s but a glove worse than his in the offseason seems like a wash to me. Another 90+ loss year next year it seems like to me.
by Bled Dry on Jul 31, 2011 2:46 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
No "probably" about it, it was on Twitter.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 31, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
What? Someone tweeted that?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 1, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been saying all along that the Cubs wouldn't trade many players.
but I’m surprised that Fukudome was it. I figured someone like Grabow would be moved for a Grade D prospect. The hope that teams would pick up the salary of a Soriano or Zambrano was never realistic.
Sure someone like Baker could be traded but the return wouldn’t be much. Other than maybe Byrd, I’m not surprised that nothing happened.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Why is it,
The Cubs didn’t want to trade anyone who might have gotten us some good prospects and yet they were supposedly in “Selling” mode???
This is beyond ridiculous. I get the feeling the front office has no idea what they’re doing.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2011 3:09 PM CDT reply actions
I honestly don't think they have watched a game in awhile.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Hendry expects to compete in 2012.
I really think that is the reason.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
or...
fire sale=lose job.
Hence, stand pat.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Oddly, a fire sale would likely have INCREASED the chances of him keeping his job.
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It would have looked like there was a plan of something...
This just looks stupid….
Same crap for the rest of the year, YAY!!!!
Hendry does not have a Plan or a Clue
what to do to make a winning team here. The man must have a good line of Bull. He obviously had the old owners and has the new owners convinced he know’s what he’s doing, He’s still here.
Oh goody, now we have a month of waiver wire speculation ahead of us
That won’t suck at all!
This is a sad, pathetic situation.
I understand the difficulty faced by players who are traded away, and I understand the fact that there are some guys who may not want to leave Chicago due to family considerations.
I understand that Jim Hendry might have held on to some of his chips with the thought that he could either get through waivers and get more for them in the coming weeks, or because he wasn’t getting the kind of return that he thought they deserved.
But I am as frustrated right now as I have been in my 30 something years as a Cubs fan. No, I don’t want the Cubs to just give guys away for nothing, but I cannot understand the logic of keeping together a team as flawed and fundamentally unsound as this year’s Cubs, under some delusion that maybe, just maybe, all the pieces will fall into place and the team will make a run at the ring next year. This group isn’t getting any better – they have, in fact, gotten worse as the year has gone by.
Worse, any late rally by this group will do nothing but perpetuate the idea that 2012 “is our year!” The same foolish notion that caught so many of us this year.
I love the game of baseball and have invested a lot of time and money in the Cubs organization over the years. I am not going to walk away from either the game or the Cubs. But right now, this group of players and management is not worth my support. The flag is coming down, the trinkets are going to be put away. No more money will be spent on the support of this 2011 team. My MLB radio subscription will not be renewed next year, barring a major turnaround.
I’m still rooting for the team to win, but I am not spending any more financial or emotional capital on a team with no direction, seemingly no plan and no hope.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
by Ross on Jul 31, 2011 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
lol
I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
Putting aside the question of what they
did or didn’t do at the trade deadline in a vacuum, looking at the big picture, I’m completely at a loss as to what plan or direction this organization has right now. And frankly, I in all seriousness wonder if someone in the front office could tell me if I asked.
You decided to keep Baker AND Dewitt, in a market where easily a half-dozen teams were scrambling for good utility men? I just don’t get it.
I can't imagine...
… they couldn’t have gotten a half-decent prospect for either of those guys from the Brewers, who are desperate for infield help.
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Just speculation....
Hendry knows he has to “compete” in 2012 to keep his job. He already has a bunch of holes he has to fill, I suspect he couldn’t afford any more by unloading someone like Byrd.
I don’t agree with any of it because even a Prince can’t make this team a contender in 2012 but it could be Hendry’s thinking.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
I see where you're going..
But signing a stud first baseman isn’t a plan, it’s an idea. And a shaky one, at that.
by Damen Jackson on Jul 31, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
So...
From what’s been reported, all the Cubs did leading up to the deadline was trade Fukudome and attempt to trade Wood. They turned away deals for Marmol, Pena, and Byrd, among others. Perhaps all of the deals that were offered were poor, but that seems a bit extreme considering how many trades were made that involved quality prospects and considering the number of players on this Cubs team that would draw interest from contenders.
I’m getting a sinking feeling we won’t even see anyone noteworthy traded over the next month.
Now that the deadline has passed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We can all get excited about the game between
Jim Hendry’s Untouchables and the St. Louis Cardinals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by TJ11 on Jul 31, 2011 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Apparently...
Jim Hendry doesn’t believe in addition by subtraction. Honestly, with the lineup as it is, this team will struggle to win 15 games the rest of the season. We seriously could not give away guys that aren’t helping us win. I, like others, wonder wtf is going on in the front office. Isn’t the definition of insanity doing things the same way over and over again and expecting the same results? Honestly, I don’t expect a decent team until 2013. We might become the Pirates of the last 20 years.
Don't you mean the cats?
J/k, seniorgato.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
I didn't know that...
What is Senior Gato from?
by Damen Jackson on Jul 31, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
should have been senorgato. my bad
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
INSANITY
The Cubs organization is insane and it is driving me crazy. I guess we have the Chicago Rush in the playoffs and NFL is back.
For once
The Bears are spending money and making decent moves. We’ll see how Williams turns out and I’m not sure why they got Barber but they got him for cheap
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and they dumped Kreutz for a younger, bigger and probably better center
Hendry makes Jerry Angelo look brilliant by comparison.
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 1, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought Al said a few days ago that his sources said a "big deal" was coming??
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
Sigh.
That’s what I was told a week ago. I believe it was true when I was told that. Obviously, things changed.
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Just curious if you could reveal what you heard now?
Now that the deadline has passed. Don’t have to reveal your source or anything.
We'll all miss you Ron.
Supposedly, multiple players were supposd to be gone.
Including Soriano. That’s all I know. Obviously, it didn’t happen, and I do not have any more info on WHY it didn’t happen.
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Hmmm... interesting, thanks.
I was curious to see what they were at least trying to do. Boy, that would have been sweet.
We'll all miss you Ron.
Its always tough when you are told something and it doesn' t happen
Reporters all over feel your pain. i hate when that happens. not only for you, but for the cubs and their fans and for guys like Reed Johnson who should be playing today for a contender. There really aren’t words for how disappointing today turned out to be.
You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. - Al Capone
I assumed you were talking about Soriano.
I doubt not moving Pena or Byrd or whoever has any sort of value was just decided upon yesterday. The Cubs hoped to dump Soriano, and no one bit. It takes two to dump a wildly overpaid player, and a hell of a lot of cash.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
why it didnt happen? you dont have info on why it didnt happen?
because alfonso soriano is 34,5,6 or 7 and his legs are dead, his swing is slow, his bat is heavy, he cant hit, he cant run, he cant catch, and he’s owed about a billion dollars for three more years. no TEAM wants that. no FAN BASE wants that. no ONE wants that. the reason he wasnt traded is that he is no longer valuable.
Could it be...
…that Ricketts put restrictions on Hendry, because he doesn’t trust him anymore?
Could it be, Ricketts wants a new GM to handle any trades in the offseason?
Jeez, I hope so, but I’m not holding my breath.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I would have to say that this would be the most hopeful conclusion to this season-----that TR does not trust JH decisions anymore....
why let him make decisions if a new GM is in our future? the way I see it is, the Fukudome trade seems like a no-brainer. Not trading Pena seems like it makes us less desparate for a 1B superstar and leaves us with an option if neither deal happens….we all know the season is over and hopefully at the end of Sept, we will rock this site with talk about the Cubs new General Manager!
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 1, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
That would be nice.
They could be waiting until Gillick comes in, and then make moves under his advisory. That’s all we can really hope for.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 1, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Things change.....
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 31, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't they have until the end of August to trade?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
Yes but it gets harder....and we still have a major roadblock in Jim Hendry....
Maybe he thinks we are still in contention….
Carrie should ask him
I am truly baffled by the inaction.
The only thing I can think of is Hendry is loyal to his players by fault. But even that doesn’t make sense. Why not move a veteran like Baker to a contending team. So be it if we get back a marginal prospect. This team has run its course. I don’t expect 17 players to get traded, but Hendry should of been active and moved some players.
This bunch is fried, deep fried. And Prince and CJ won’t turn this team into a 90 win team. All that will do is inflate the payroll some more with Soriano roaming left, Ramy taking the first two months off, DeWitt spelling Sori in left, Hill behind the plate after Soto is on the DL, Marmol walking the bases loaded, hitting a batter and Randy Wells as our 4th Starter. To top it off, Quade on the top step and Jimbo in the GM seat.
Hendry's best quality is that he's very loyal to players on the Cubs.
However, his worst quality is that … he’s very loyal to players on the Cubs.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
The weird thing is, the same GM, in a similar situation in 2006, sent five players to the playoffs from that woebegotten team (Greg Maddux, Scott Williamson, Todd Walker, Neifi Perez and Phil Nevin). Only Maddux had any real value from that group. The players from this year’s team that could have been traded have more value than that.
It’s mystifying.
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So true...
this trade deadline lack of deals for us is logic-defying…should have been the same as ’06…
Al Davis has been dead for 6 years...
So to answer your question, “Maybe”.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 31, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
As brilliant a reply as I have seen
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 1, 2011 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
There's speculation that Ricketts might have clipped Hendry's wings on the trade front...
in anticipation of a new GM taking his place (at some unspecified point) and giving the incoming GM the same pieces to move. The problem with this thinking is that you lose the feeding frenzy mentality of a trading deadline where buyers might overpay in prospects. Yay…the roster stays intact.
If this is true, then Ricketts doesn't really know what he's doing either.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
Simply unbelievable
.400 winning percentage and all they do is dump Fukudome.
I don’t even have the words. Wow. Just wow.
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
Now when Dempster
walks away from his player option, the Front Office will be left shocked and confused.
Any hope I had for 2012 is about out the window. Just mind-numbing insanity.
It truly is as-if I am being punished for something by being a Cubs fan.
TJ, my apologies. You were right.
The sun is up. They sky is blue. It's beautiful, and so are you. Dear Prudence, won't you come out to play? ~Lennon & McCartney
by SouthWabashSoul on Jul 31, 2011 5:01 PM CDT reply actions
Thank you.....
I am sorry to be right…..
Wish I was not…
This whole organization is a joke and the Cub fans have to pay for it.
Dempster won't walk.
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We'll all miss you Ron.
That didn't work...
Here, just take the full link then. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEwQqQIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chicagotribune.com%2Fsports%2Fbaseball%2Fcubs%2Fct-spt-0731-bits-cubs-cardinals-chica20110731%2C0%2C6953435.story&ei=GeE1TpvIJ8KutweCsaz3DA&usg=AFQjCNE9BYf8GPm_qvDoYEuDQSa-4QTgDA
We'll all miss you Ron.
Are you crazy? Why would he walk?
He’s going to be WAY overpaid next year and will get to stay in the organization that’s been his home for 5 years. He’s not going anywhere.
by Orval Overall on Jul 31, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Five years?
Try EIGHT years. Dempster has been a Cub since 2004.
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As a diehard Cubs fan...
I f*cking hate the Cubs right now. In all my years of being a Cubs fan, I have not seen such horrible fundamentals NOT ONLY ON THE FIELD, but in the front office!!! All we did was trade a 4th OF for C- level prospects. Why didnt we trade Pena? Soto? Both these guys are affordable and would’ve gotten us a B or higher prospect if we packaged them!! Hell, Byrd is my favorite player, but same thing on him!! Can the Cubs do ANYTHING right?
by Sunny Soriano Ramirez on Jul 31, 2011 5:07 PM CDT reply actions
Al you've spoken to Tom Ricketts at the ballpark before...
Why don’t you talk to him at the next homestand? Perhaps there was something about him that he really isn’t bright as he seems?
Two Words: Salty Saltwell
What makes Tom Ricketts special, intelligence or money?
If you take away his Dad’s money, what is it about Tom Ricketts that would make anyone believe that he has the ability to turn the Cubs organization around? What in his past recommends him to his current role? It was Joe Ricketts who amassed the 2.5 Billion Dollar fortune, not Tom. Intelligence has nothing to do with it. If it did, the most successful people in the world would be the smartest. Tom Ricketts is not an idiot. He’s just in over his head.
Ricketts...
…has laid many clues one could convey as him being “in over his head”.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
You may be right, but
It’s my opinion. What has he done that inspires confidence? Took two years to negotiate his father’s purchase of the team and would still be negotiating if his father had not stepped in and given Zell a 30 day ultimatum. Hired Kaplan. Gave his father and himself black eyes trying to get a $300 Million Dollar public handout. Glad hands the fans like a politician. Look, I am hoping that I am wrong, but I do not see anything to commend him. Do you? I went to my first Cubs game in 1955. I don’t have time to wait around for a guy who is wet behind the ears to figure out how to win a World Series.
He's going nuts with money for signing prospects...
They attacked some hard to sign prospects, and reports are showing they’ve signed all but one or two of them. They’ve also spend over 3.5M on IFA already with some big names still available.
He needs to hire a PR firm stat, but I don’t think he’s in over his head necessarily.
The glass isn't half-empty
In fact, it’s not even empty. It fell off the counter and shattered on the bathroom floor, so if you have to get up in the middle of the night put on your slippers so you won’t slice up your feet.
Yeah, I know there should be an apostrophe in "Vails," but punctuation wasn't an option when I signed up.
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Jul 31, 2011 6:49 PM CDT reply actions
GUH
Very, very frustrated. I thought (and still do) that Hendry deserved the benefit of the doubt until the deadline passed. The flurry of deals that just got done yesterday and today are proof of why the criticism of inaction came too early. But now that the deadline has come and gone with only Dome being traded, that criticism is more than due. As others have said (long before me): WTF Hendry?
The only consolation I have is that Soriano and Zambrano still could easily be traded this season. Both will clear waivers. But for the life of me I can’t understand the attachment to Pena (won’t be offering arb, so no compensation pick), Johnson (BBTN reports teams asked after him but we said he was unavailable), or Baker (ditto).
Pena and Johnson are players that were available cheaply late in free agency. They will be available again if we really want them around next year. But in the meantime get some salary relief from Pena to help fund next year’s budget; and get prospects for the others that you can potentially package in a trade for a real corner OF. What’s the downside?
Trying to figure out if 2013 is going to be this bad
There’s almost no point at making a play for Pujols for Fielder if you’re not going to have a team around them. If the Cubs let Ramirez walk, they won’t have that kind of value at third base for a long time. They have no outstanding corner outfielders on the way. They have no future true “ace” on the way. What is going to happen to this team over the next two seasons?
At least if Ramirez walks
We’ll have someone there who actually gives a damn
by Mulhollandmania on Aug 1, 2011 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
It'll be fun watching someone who gives a damn hit .255/.316/.378 next season
That’s what all 3B in the NL have combined to hit this season. If the Cubs are lucky, they’ll find someone who can do a little better than that.
by Outshined_One on Aug 1, 2011 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather just give a kid a chance
We’re gonna be pretty bad next year anyway. Regardless of Prince coming to Chicago.
by Mulhollandmania on Aug 1, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't you hear?
The Cubs are going to sign Fielder AND Pujols (need TWO 1B bats, dontcha know). Then Pujols moves to third.
They will get Lee from the Rangers, Sabathia when he declines his option, and find at least one reliever somewhere. THAT’S how big market teams do it. After all, it’s not our money.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 1, 2011 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Read Evan Brunnell in CBSSportsline
Has Cubs as big losers at the deadline. Said Hendry should be fired on the spot. So apparently we aren’t the only ones who are mystified by the lack of activity.
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For a franchise to be consistently successful, there needs to be an organizational philosophy
Can anybody tell me the Cubs’ organizational philosophy? Anyone?
by Mulhollandmania on Aug 1, 2011 12:02 AM CDT reply actions
Cubs franchise Motto:
We don’t care about the product on the field because drunk idiot frat boys buy our $8 beers and fill up the stands wether the team is 20 games under or over .500.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 1, 2011 3:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Silver lining
What are some of the top names for next year’s draft? Are the Astros the only team worse than us right now? So we would get the 2nd pick?
MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT ALREADY. THIS GAME IS ABOUT ADJUSTMENTS.
upset
I cant even put into words how I feel. Easily the most dissapointed I have ever been with the cubs. I would have taken any young pitcher for baker/dewitt/grabow. Also cant help but think they could have gotten some upside for byrd/pena/marshall
As for me...
I can’t say I’m surprised by anything inept or nonsensical that the Cubs do. I certainly didn’t expect them to make any major moves.
Hendry’s preparing for next year with most of the same cast of aging, underachieving veterans. So much for the Fielder/Pujols fantasy that sustained lots of people for much of the summer.
I’m not angry or disappointed either. I lost my capacity for anger a few months ago. I don’t believe anything significant is going to happen between now and the start of next season.
Who wants to bet that Ricketts will have some personal situation (or maybe a safari) that will keep him from attending the convention this year? I can’t believe that even HE would be so clueless as to show his face there after treading water yet again.
Gillick? Probably Not.
By hiring Gillick, TR would relegate himself to a sinecure. I don’t think he wants to be thought of as the Owner’s Son who serves only as a figurehead.
As you don't know Ricketts, you have no idea what he is or is not comfortable with.
However, there are reports saying he has talked to Gillick… I trust those reports more than I trust your psych evaluation on Tom Ricketts.
Todd, is that you?
I am not saying he is a bad guy. There is really no reason why he should know what he is doing. He was a Cubs fan who read all of Bill James’ books and happened to have a father with $2.5 Billion. Hiring Gillick would be a good idea IMO. I never said, “I don’t need a baseball guy to watch my baseball guy.” Just tell me why you have idealized Tom Ricketts. Why do you think he acts in mysterious ways?
Why do you think i've idealized Ricketts? I just don't take him for the idiot that many here do.
I’m more worried about what he actually does than what he says. He’s said a lot of very dumb things, but he’s also put his money where his mouth is and is giving the Cubs the best draft I’ve ever seen.
You seem to think Ricketts needs the spotlight, but I’d argue it’s the exact opposite. I think he’d like someone like Gillick coming in and helping out with baseball decisions.
Meme
Yes, this is the meme of the apologist brigade. I do not believe Bad Dogs is saying anything conclusively about Tom. He is suggesting one interpretation of his actions and asking (sincerely I believe) if anyone has evidence that Tom is more competent than it may appear. Instead of responding to that question, you attack the poster. Business as usual for the apologist brigade.
As I asked for your thoughts, I will give you mine. I will not spend much time here because I am speculating. I readily agree I am speculating but feel free to attack me for speculating.
Tom may very well be over his head. His father is the accomplished business man. Some here criticize people who post ideas about what should be done as saying you are just a fan and fans should not be making the decisions. Is it possible that Tom is more a fan with a good education and not that much experience than an experienced, accomplished business man?
The comments about Tom needing a better public relations man may also hide a more seriously flaw. The comments are about people being ridiculous when they say they cannot afford a Cubs game with their family and asking for $200M from the state. Is this a rich frat boy with a sense of entitlement more than a tone deaf owner who needs PR help.
by WhistlerWilliams on Aug 2, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sigh...
I never attacked him personally, and I did answer his question. And the apologist brigade? Please spare me…
I’ve also never said that Tom definitely isn’t in over his head, I said I didn’t think he was. When asked what I think Tom has done that proves he’s taking steps in the right direction I mentioned the IFA signings and the ridiculous amounts being spent on the Rule 4 draft.
I don’t understand why this is difficult to follow – I’m not sitting here saying, “I’m right and you’re wrong.” I’m saying I have no idea. While Ricketts has come out and said a lot of stupid things, he’s also DONE a lot of good things putting his money where his mouth is. I’m not willing to judge someone while stuck with another ownerships crappy contracts, and I’m willing to wait until 2013 (when all but Soriano are off the books) to place judgement on what Ricketts is doing with the team as a whole.
It’s funny that you jump to someone elses defense and start placing blanket statements on me when I was never in fact attacking the poster, I was clearly attacking their interpretation of Tom Ricketts.

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