Cubs Find New Way To Lose: Walkoff Wild Pitch Gives Nationals 5-4 Win
by Al Yellon on Jul 4, 2011 4:05 PM CDT
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It's gotta be the caps.
The Cubs lost at home on Memorial Day, 12-7 to the Astros, wearing those awful red-and-white truck-stop caps. (I'm surprised they don't have a mesh back and plastic snaps.)
Today, forced to wear them again on Independence Day, the Cubs lost to the Nationals 5-4 when Carlos Marmol wild-pitched Jayson Werth in from third base with the winning run.
That's a first this season. The Cubs have had back-to-back walkoff losses on the road on home runs (by the same person both time, Albert Pujols); they've had two different games they lost on the road 11-2, and one by 15-5. But a wild pitch walkoff in extra innings? New, and creative. And, it was after Marmol and Geovany Soto had basically let Werth take third base uncontested on a steal, after Werth had walked and been sacrificed to second.
So, maybe that is what we have to look forward to for the rest of this season: what other sorts of new and creative ways will the Cubs find to lose? At least they'll only have to wear the caps one more time, against the Reds at home on Labor Day. (Guess we have to chalk that one in the "L" column already.)
I'm certainly not against those types of caps and the purpose for which they are sold (to raise awareness and money for the Welcome Back Veterans Fund). But man, they've got to get a less-ugly (and less-red) design for the Cubs.
Casey Coleman actually threw fairly well after the first inning, when he gave up two runs. And the Cubs came back and took the lead on a play that's been more Cub-like in recent years: a popup by Alfonso Soriano that dropped untouched by Nationals Roger Bernadina, Danny Espinosa and Werth, that allowed two runs to score in the fourth inning.
The Cubs stretched the lead to 4-2 on a Soto single that scored Aramis Ramirez, but Carlos Pena was thrown out at the plate.
That would turn out to be important after Kerry Wood came in and seemingly walked everyone in sight and hit one batter; one of the walks scored the tying run. Meanwhile, the Cubs had only two further baserunners in the game after that sixth-inning run, both in a frustrating ninth inning. After Marlon Byrd led off with a single, Tony Campana failed to get a bunt down, instead hitting into a double play. Had the bunt been successful, Soto's following single would have given the Cubs the lead.
Props to James Russell for keeping the game close and sending it into extra innings. Russell has done an excellent job this year when used in the role for which he is suited -- relief.
Marcos Mateo gave up the walk to Werth and then had to leave the game after he threw the pitch that Livan Hernandez bunted for the sacrifice in the 10th inning. Via tweet from Gordon Wittenmyer:
Mateo elbow injury. Mri in next day or 2.
Presumably, this makes the decision easy tomorrow when Ramon Ortiz will be activated to start against the Nats; Mateo is likely headed to the DL. I've almost lost count of how many Cubs pitchers have been injured and/or been on the DL this season.
The loss snaps a seven-game winning streak for the Cubs in Washington that dated back to the 2009 season. Apparently the "no three-game winning streak" mantra of this season is so powerful that it breaks retroactive streaks in ballparks going back two years.
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Soto had no chance on that wild pitch...
And Marmol made a beeline for the clubhouse after the game was over. Probably wanted to grab a hot dog and get a good spot for fireworks… And to think we have an entire second half of this team to watch!
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Speaking of Pujols..
the guy is NOT human. He’s talking about coming back tomorrow! Took full BP today and took grounders.
And about the Cubs.. I really don’t expect much anymore. The team just isn’t good and will continue to lose until major changes are made.
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The reason I am a Cub fan forever
Always scary to come back too fast
It is not my wrist so I cannot really say – but if he hurts it again. Yikes.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
I believe it was actually the arm not the wrist like DLee.
Big difference.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
If so - yeah huge difference
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
D-Lee's injury was severe.
Pujols’ was moderate — still most people would still be recovering from the injury.
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Fastest recap east of the Mississippi.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
And this time...
…. I didn’t even start writing till the game was over.
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I only saw the last couple of innings. The post game of WGN was brutal.
Have a good 4th…
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
So two days in a row Quade can't grasp the concept that Marshall can pitch to
righties and brings in a pitcher too early. Not pulling Wells I still don’t blame him for ( well at least not till Pierre as there was no time) THIS I blame him for. The staggering lack of fundamentals on this team is beyond belief. You can not blame injuries for Quade’s inablility to manage in game situations. DeJesus’s waiving around runners who are out at the plate the total lack of patience by all but 2 or 3 players, the bad fielding , bad base running etc.
In a way it is a consolation. We don’t really have to wonder what the team would be like without injuries, we know.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
This team wouldn't be a contender with a better manager.
But they’d be closer to .500 without a doubt.
I just don’t think the Cubs will have the grapefruits to fire Quade after the year though.
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To win MLB games, you have to do the little things...
You have to break up double plays when given the opportunity…
You have to get the sacrifice bunts down…
You have to know when to hold up the runner rounding third…
Your big time closer can throw one three feet outside for a game -ending wild pitch…
And sometimes you have to get a sparkling defensive play in CF…
(Notice I didn’t even mention our manager…)
It was a well hit ball, but Byrd could have come down with that towering fly ball to CF. Campana has to get the sacrifice bunt down. DeJesus sending runners home to be out by ten feet. There so many reasons why the Cubs continue to lose – and they are ALL preventable…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Jul 4, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Correction: Your big time closer "CAN'T" throw a wild pitch in that situation...
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Jul 4, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
oh... I was wondering
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
that is a result of fundamentals
something the Cubs do not believe in
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The fundamentals have been limited for quite some time..
I think the Cubs need a guy like a Joe Maddon or LaRussa to be able to get those things redefined.
Lou was a good manager but wasn’t the fundamental guy the Cubs needed, same goes with Dusty. Quade just seems to be rolling with the punches..
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I agree with everything but the DeJesus one
He messes up a lot but I think he had to send Peña. Number 1, he was barely out, not by 10 feet, and number 2, Coleman would be coming to the plate with 2 outs.
We'll all miss you Ron.
And as Brenly pointed out
a better slide and he could have been safe. That was a good send with Coleman up next.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Good point - I guess I was referring to the other bad sends by DeJesus...
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Jul 4, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was pissed when he pulled Marshall. Classic over-managing/knee-jerk lefty-righty b.s. It’s lazy managing.
I’ve withstood the urge to bash Quade, but he drives me insane. Not ready for prime time. Belongs in the minors. Enjoy coaching in the All-star Game. It should be your last accomplishment as manager in the MLB.
Scott Bora$ is satan.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jul 4, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
totally agree - in our house we call it "C.Y.A." managing
Nothing like basing your decisions on what the writers will say after the game…
Step Up and Take Responsiblity
The faster the Cubs rid themselves of this coaching staff, the better off they will be. I agree completely with Doggie; lack of fundamentals is beyond belief. I blame that on that the coaching staff. Let’s get some real big league coaches in here. My little league team is better coached than this team. Unbelievable!!!!!
Thanks Al for the opportunity to blow off some steam
Neal
The Pirates are 44-41
Can we trade them Hendry and Quade??
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What would we get in return? A Batboy to be named later? ;-)
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that's an insult to Batboys across all of MLB
I mean, to be considered as worthless as Quade and Hendry
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Team President
Better fire Clown Kenney, too. Holdover from the Trib days. Get a real baseball man as team president.
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by The Underground Conservative on Jul 4, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Addition by subtraction
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
FYI if Mateo does go on the DL
Carpenter can come back without waiting 10 days.
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Me either
Ortiz will just take his spot, won't he?
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Right.
That’s the most likely scenario.
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Do the rules actually specify that pitchers have to be human beings? Maybe this pen would be a solution:
only joking
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
They would be down one bullpen arm if they don't bring someone else up.
Coleman will be done for 4 days or so, Lopez done for 4 days, Mateo gone. Leaves 1 additional arm needed in the pen until the AS break, as it appears to me. Dempster ?? I don’t see a way to not need someone else up with Ortiz as I don’t know how they can get by with the current group until the break. I’ve been wrong before.
they'll get along
were not going anywhere, baker and dewitt and johnson can lob a few up there, cant be any worse than wwhat they got out there in the pen anyway
by Mike the ex cub fan on Jul 4, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I am sure throwing 5 innings the other day is why he is hurt
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
He started one game last year.
But I doubt it was for anything longer than a couple innings.
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Someone needed to tell Marmol...
…“hey amigo, there’s a guy on 2B…let him know you know he’s there and throw back there, or at least step off and look him down”. This team has got to be the ONE team, that every other team, can’t wait to play.
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I'd have settled for...
just a glance. Marmol never looked back at second. Any one of us could have stolen third under those conditions. Ugly, ugly loss.
"It is history that teaches us to hope" -- R. E. Lee
But Lee wasn't a Cubs fan.
When have we ever seen
Marmol keep runners close? I’m surprised more teams haven’t run on him.Runners are 6/7 SB this year and 41/49 career. More poor fundamentals.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Why would any Cubs fan...
who lives in Chicago actually watch this game? Perfect weather outside on Independence Day + shitty Cubs team = no reason at all to waste your day in front of the TV watching these scrubs.
exactly...
you took the words right outta me on why I didn’t watch….glad I didn’t.
Two Words: Salty Saltwell
And...
for that matter…any game the rest of this season. This team is terrible. The front office is unbelievably poor….dark, dark, dark days ahead.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
Do you get paid
to make this post every day?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 5, 2011 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
"Brought to you by Carl's Jr..."
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
by bluemagic9 on Jul 5, 2011 4:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ding Ding Ding!
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 4, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
and yet I am going in for my 10 game annual home stand in 10 days
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 4, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Props to the Nationals on the Campana DP
I never thought they could turn that one.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Don't forget the 0-5
for Castro in the 3 hole SMOOTH MOVE QUADE, YOU ARE SO SMART
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And a lot were not good AB's.
He may need a day off or two except he’ll be at the ASG.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
even so, Al broke it down
regardless of the small sample size, Castro should be #1 or #2 in the lineup.
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It does seem mental.
It’s almost like he changes his approach or tries to do too much when he’s at 3.
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Exactly.
I think he puts too much pressure on himself in the #3 spot. Lead him off. Fukudome can bat seventh or eighth. Put Byrd in the #3 spot — how much worse could it be?
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Agree with everything besides Byrd at #3.
Put Ramirez or Pena there. We’ve seen Byrd at 3 — he had a OPS of .682. That’s horrible for “the best hitter on your team”.
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Yeah, on second thought...
… Pena draws a ton of walks. With Ramirez behind him at #4, that would give many more RBI opportunities.
Soriano could bat fifth, Byrd sixth, Fukudome seventh.
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I hate lineup discussions but
Fukudome leadoff and Castro second for me.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Castro second would be OK.
He hits well enough second.
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does it matter
with these bums?who bats where
by Mike the ex cub fan on Jul 4, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
seems simple to me.
drop barney to 8th (where he should be) or even 9th when z starts. move everyone else up.
by doug dascenzo's change-up on Jul 5, 2011 6:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Chances are we never see that lineup.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 4, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
But Quade just said
Castro was a #3 batter of the future.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Maybe in the future but not now.
The future isn’t a given either. Depends on the power development.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
I think the power will come
I really want better pitch selection to come asap. After that I feel it all falls into place offensively for him.
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Of course
but isn’t it strange he brings it up now in the midst of all the criticism of his use of Castro in that spot.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
well
quade is an idiot…
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 4, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
including 3Ks
my fantasy team is NOT happy.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 4, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
My fantasy team wins the World Series year for year... But then alarm goes off and I wake up.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Did your Mom like the New Yorker article, Eths?
and when do you get a copy?
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 4, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
1) Yes 2) Next week, I hope.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Let me know what you think
Bet Mom likes him.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 4, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll let you know. The New York is usually well written, but sports is not their typical métier
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... New Yorker ...
geez, louise…
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Um Roger Angell is one of the best baseball writers ever.
I actually got to see his apt. when a friend house sat and it was filled with most incredible baseball memorabilia I have seen outside a museum. There was one ball from Opening Day at Wrigley from I think 1932 with amazing had drawn image of the park on the ball.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 4, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
That bodes well.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Um actually it is not by Angell
I was just responding to the idea that the New Yorker did not have a long history of good sports writing. Nice article but not in the league of Angell
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 4, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't want to suggest that they had a poor history of sports writing.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Yea... I don't like Castro hitting there at all.
I’d rather have Pena there
Keep that Q Train rollin' in '11. Let's win it for Ronnie.
Castro has been
a stud for me on my fantasy team…. since he moved to the three hole, not so much. Quade, you’re even causing my fantasy team to struggle.
mine too
rami is picking up the slack nicely, though
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by jesus christos on Jul 4, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Why this entire coaching staff needs to be fired
Everybody is around .500 this year in MLB-except the Cubs and Astros along with a couple other teams, there’s just no way the Cubs should ever be this bad with all their resources. Games are simply given away day after day. No question a Tony Larussa staff or any competent manager, has this team around .500 which means you are about two games out of first place. They say a manager can’t win games, but he sure as hell can lose them.
With Hendry so tied to Quade and Ricketts love affair with Hendry, could Quade possibly be back next year? A manager who can’t win more than three in a row three months into a season? Do you guys realize how pathetic that is….Quade, Riggins, Listach, DeJesus, all of them must be gone at the end of the year. I swear I thought DeJesus would be gone after yesterday with that horrible send.
We have 75 more games of this.
I'll be surprised if Quade isn't the manager next year.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
I will be sick if he is.
I can no longer tell whether he or Lou was worse. Both are clueless about pitchers, Quade gives players a bunch of silly nicknames and Lou could not remember their names. Anyway so much for Quade’s claim at the Convention that things “would be different” and players would be held accountable.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 4, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you kidding?
Lou from 2007-2009 was a good to great manager.
Lou from late-2009-2010 not so much.
I’d still take Lou over Quade.
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No way I am going through this all again
Lets just say I gave him a chance for 2007, but realized how bad he was by early 2008.
Wins in a season matter little if you are getting swept.
Dusty on the other hand I liked. It was time for him to go, but he gets a bad rap.He actually is no better in terms of in game managing but he is very, very good at inspiring his team and getting them to believe they can win.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 4, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh the enjoyment of a Cubs fan
Which disappointing manager do you like the most?
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Do interim count?
If so, I’m undecided between Lachemann and Kimm.
The current one. Always the current one because he is a Cub at the time.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
What did Lou do in 2008?
That season the whole team believed it could win ANY game.
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He had a very good roster, but it could not win one post season game
I never get why Lou is still held in such high regard for back to back post season appearances in which the Cubs did not win a game and Dusty is mostly held in contempt for getting six post season wins and getting the Cubs closer to a WS than any manager in over 50 years.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 4, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
It's been explained to you multiple times.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Don't bother trying to explain it to her.
She has some kind of vendetta against Lou. If he did something that pundits praised while coaching the Cubs, she said it was something any manager would do. If he messed up, it was inexcusable and he should be fired immediately.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 4, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep a vendetta based on his bad managing
I am sure he was great back in the day, but not with the Cubs. 96 wins is meaningless if you don’t win one post season game. You know why I started to dislike him, I was too happy in 07 to notice the problems. I spent almost three seasons being ridiculed for daring to say Lou was a bad manager especially in 08, until of course Lou went into full melt down and everyone finally agreed he was bad.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 4, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Here is my take...
…Lou was a much better game manager than Dusty was and had a much better feel for his players capabilities. The job he did in 07, when he told Hendry to launch Barrett, Izturis etc. and turning that team around, is not close to being appreciated as it should have. In 08, I can’t blame him for getting swept, as that club played very well over 162.
Dusty is more of a guy who gets guys to want to play for him (Lou was always more cantankerous) and he gets his players to feel relaxed. I have a friend who played for Dusty with the Cubs and he said the samething and mentioned it is also important for Dusty to have strong leaders on his team because he is not a discipline guy.
When it comes to Dusty, I agree with you that he was underappreciated here. The guy has won a shitload of games for a long time and that doesn’t happen by accident.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I loved Lou from 2007-2009.
He was a great manager and I really don’t understand why anyone would discredit him for that time period.
I just think he lost alot of desire after the Milton Bradley saga. Quade is a fine coach — but he’s a lousy manager. I hope the Cubs not only fire Quade — they find a manager that is up to date with today’s game (OBP, OPS, and to some extent WAR).
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Here is the thing...
…get the President/GM thing taken care of first and the manager piece will take care of itself.
I am not so concerned that a manager should be a big “stats guy”, I want a guy who has an inate feel for the game and his players, which is something that is either there or it isn’t.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
True on the first half.
I don’t want a guy to have to much of a “feel” of the game.. because that can get you in trouble and attached to certain players and situations.
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Blaming Lou for the post season
is like blaming Jim Frey for Andre Dawson for going 2-19 in the playoffs in 1989. If you look at the game by game there were very few occasions where a Lou move would have dramatically changed the outcome – or anything he did specifically that cost the Cubs the game.
Dusty on the other hand, in games 6 and 7 managed the Cubs out of the NLCS by refusing to insert rested starters like Clement as Florida did with Beckett and Boston did. He kept going to the overworked bullpen and in my opinion cost the Cubs the series, particularly game 7 as there was obviously a lot more going on in game 6 than just Dusty.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Jul 4, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
I didn’t blame Lou for anything.
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He means me
I love how Lou is a genius for back to back post season appearances but not winning a single post season game is on the players. By the time he got to the Cubs, Lou was passed it. He was as bad as Quade at managing pitchers and had absolutely no interest in stats. Someone who worked for the Cubs told me his desk was piled high with unopened folders/books of stats on upcoming series.
I am not saying Dusty was any better at that, but Dusty at least balanced that off by inspiring his players and making them a real team.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 4, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Inspiring his players by letting the inmates run the asylum in 04?
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Inspiring them to get within one game of the WS
Personally I think way too much was made of the 04 stuff and Stone deserved what he got. However Dusty did have an Ozzie like ability to mess up in public. However despite all instance from Cub fans who dislike him that he would fall flat on his face he has done a nice job with the Reds.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 4, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't despise the guy.
I think what he’s done in Cincinnati proves that Hendry is a bigger problem than whatever manager is filling out the lineup. That being said, while I think the term “lost the clubhouse,” is thrown around pretty loosely, that was a wildly unlikeable team, and Dusty defended them at every corner.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Again I never found the team unlikeable
but I know lots of people did. They sure were not warm & cuddly to the media and that got them one bad ass image. Dusty was plenty flawed ( Neffi, LaTroy as closer) but his ability to get players to run through walls for him was never appreciated and often dismissed as being to friendly. As I said when people kept asking me about my dislike of Lou and did I want Dusty back, the answer is no, Dusty had warm out his welcome, but why were they or their two types of managing my choices. I like Girardi and in retrospect I think he would have been MUCH better than Lou, but kind of lust for guys like Francona & Maddon who can inspire players, smooth egos and know when to pull a pitcher. Some day maybe we will get one of those.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 4, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Not only Cincy...
…what about San Francisco?
Baker has won a ton of games and has won in three different places now. I agree with above that he should have calmed everyone during game 6 in 03 and should have used starters to finish off game seven. Those were big errors in judgment.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
He's won a lot of regular season games with a lot of talent on his teams...
but when the tension gets high and the decisions actually get tough and important, his teams fall short. You can’t give him credit without giving him credit for the other. He had Barry Bonds for 10 years, roided to the max, putting up historic numbers, and got to the World Series once and blew that one.
Also, he comes with a player’s manager reputation and if it’s worth anything, it’s highly overrated, because it never brings in talent willing to play for less money. Didn’t happen in San Francisco. Didn’t happen here and isn’t happening in Cincinnati.
I don’t attribute to him all of the credit or blame for this, but after he left San Fran, they won 100 games… after he left the Cubs, they went to the playoffs two years in a row… we’ll see what happens when Cincinnati finally gets tired of his act.
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Just North of Wrigley Field
by jameslcrockett on Jul 4, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I have heard...
…somethings about 04 from someone that was very close to it.
Stone was heavily disliked by many and was for a long time before 04 and that dislike expanded beyond just players or managers.
With that said, the player that was the primary instigator in 04, did go a little over the top.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
How do you justify it though?
With these horrible results? How do you sell it to the fan base?
There's very little this team can justify.
But I just don’t see him getting canned after a year. Just my gut feeling.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
I have to agree
they’re simply not going to eat the salary of a manager. Granted, it’s no $12 million for Silva, but I think it is different for managers.
on the other hand, if the team continues to blow as it does this year during April/May of 2012, change will be made.
I'm going to the 2012 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp!!! Who's with me?
Yeah, I could see him getting canned during the season.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Quade's two-year contract...
That’s not exactly a huge commitment. The Cubs could make a change at manager and explain it away as being “results oriented” and losing being “unacceptable.” Question – the Cubs finish 2012 at or slightly below .500. Would you keep Quade? What is the reasonable expectation for the level of performance of this roster??
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Jul 4, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
no way do they keep him after 2012
if they are at (HA!) or below .500
I'm going to the 2012 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp!!! Who's with me?
Hopefully the roster is much different next year.
So we’ll probably have to adjust our expectations accordingly when those moves are made.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
that would be wrong
his salary is right around a million, the Cubs can eat that no problem. This is where there is a huge leadership vacuum. If Ricketts doesn’t think he’s the guy, then get rid of him after the year. The problem is does Ricketts know? He just seems clueless these last twenty months. The product has been deplorable since the day he became owner. I’m not blaming him, but he’s done nothing so far to change direction.
Frankly Gm is in a much stronger position if they start 2012 with Quade
If you dump him now or before next season in favor of a new manager, and then the Cubs start off 2012 poorly, then what? The team is going nowhere fast, and holding Quade over at least provides flexibility to dump him early 2012 in favor of someone else if the season gets off to bad start.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Jul 4, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point, but do you have a replacement ready if 2012 starts poorly?
Or do we have to suffer through ANOTHER crappy year and see what manager is available beginning in 2013? I firmly believe that you don’t fire a manager unless you have the right guy waiting in the wings and ready to take the gig. Otherwise, you are just going to take the best guy out of a bad bunch…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Pick a hat in either red or blue,
maybe white with both colors but I’ve seen better looking hats in truck stops and free give aways from seed corn companies. The hats were as ugly as the game. We should be able to wear blue. Give those hats to a softball team.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Jul 4, 2011 4:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
It could be worse...
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
The Cubs' August caps:
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
Could work...
the smell in the summer heat might distract the other team. And flies might be the only thing this Cub team could draw to Wrigley in August.
yabbut somehow the Cubs would find a way to drop those flies too...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Like this?
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
Put a "C" on it.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Jul 4, 2011 5:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Terrible game
Kerry couldn’t throw strikes, Werth basically walked to second base, that wild pitch was not even close, Cubs still can’t drive in runs when they need to. I still say why not let Marshall finish out that seventh inning? I know, I know…the lefty/righty match-up. But Marshall is one of our best relievers (if not the best) and he is tough to hit from both sides. Plus, Kerry doesn’t usually work more than one inning anymore. Just another bad loss in a game they should have won.
Keep that Q Train rollin' in '11. Let's win it for Ronnie.
Realistically
Wood is a good guy. He just doesn’t need to be pitching any innings for this team any time soon. Quite frankly, he’s been pretty poor the entire season. Coughing up leads left and right isn’t how you want your 8th inning guy to perform.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
Bingo.
Believe me, I love Kerry Wood. But he isn’t who he used to be. Marshall was throwing the ball well and has been the entire year. Instead of putting Wood in a situation where he could blow the game, let Sean finish off what he started.
Keep that Q Train rollin' in '11. Let's win it for Ronnie.
A manager...
…needs to recognize when a guy doesn’t have it and Wood was giving every sign that he didn’t.
Good teams find creative ways to win games and bad teams find creative ways to lose games.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
To me...
…Quade seems to have absolutely no feel for the game in front of him. The game moves much quicker at this level and you have to recognize the signs you get from each ballgame. Q seems stuck in some black hole and misses so many obvious things.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Q seems to be a benefit-of-the-doubt guy
in that he’ll stick with a veteran pitcher even as a guy is having a meltdown on the mound. In fact, wasn’t Q once quoted as saying about Demps or Z “he’s earned the right to stay out there to work things out”?
Guys earn the right...
…when they have proven they can recover when they start to struggle. Dempster and Z are both open books and when they start to show those typical signs, you know they are done 90% of the time.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Our proven veterans helped the Cubs lose this game.
Wood’s inability to throw strikes, Byrd utterly failing to break up the DP despite going on the pitch, there is a lot of remarkable mediocrity amongst these highly paid guys.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
After Marlon Byrd led off with a single, Tony Campana failed to get a bunt down, instead hitting into a double play. Had the bunt been successful, Soto’s following single would have given the Cubs the lead.
No mention of how Marlon didn’t even try to break up the DP? That’s a huge play. If Byrd breaks up the DP Campana can easily steal second and maybe score on a single.
True.
But I was more surprised that Campana didn’t beat the throw anyway.
Maybe Byrd was a little gunshy about going in to break it up — didn’t want to get hurt again.
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Maybe is hockey mask blocked his view
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Brenly also commented that Byrd
wasn’t hustling right off the bat on the Soriano bloop hit. It wasn’t until he realized it might fall that he picked it up.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Uhhh
But Washington’s OF playing no-doubles late in the game…something Campana failed at a week ago…probably was the primary reason Soto’s hit fell in anyway. A horse apiece.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
I hate to think what next year will be like
if Henry & Quade stay. I just can’t stomach the thought. At some point enough should be enough and hopefully Ricketts knows what he’s doing and recognizes the problems with this organization and team. I can’t believe he wouldn’t realize that it’s not only the injuries but the handling of this team.
I imagine you see the fans being a little more annoyed and being verbal
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Well, those fans not disguised as empty seats...
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Marmol .......
always makes me nervous when he closes. I just hold my breath till he is through screwing it up (like today).
You must have some awesome lung capacity...
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 4, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Opening day 1989
Walked the bases loaded, then struck out the side, correct?
Dempster did this once when he was closer, too.
What closer not named Mariano Rivera doesn’t cause this sort of angst?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 5, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
And Rivera blew a save just the other day.
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DFA Rivera
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 5, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
The Blue Jays just did
Of course that was Juan and not Mariano…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
hendry needs to
bring back “Corky” Sosa at 25 million a year
by Mike the ex cub fan on Jul 4, 2011 5:39 PM CDT reply actions
The ex Cubs fan, huh..
Then why are you on a Cubs blog? Sort of a oxymoron, don’t you think?
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The reason I am a Cub fan forever
by Unique on Jul 4, 2011 5:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Awesome insight
No really, thanks
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 4, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
The one and only
Being a college student in the DC area I dont have the time or funds to travel to Chicago to see the Cubs play so I try to catch them every year when they come to DC. With this being the only time I will probably get to see the Cubs live it just ripped at my heart. The game was overall enjoyable to watch as a baseball fan but it sucks to have to watch the Washington Nationals prove that they are better as an organization, watch another player get thrown out at home, more bad fielding, and questionable decisions by Quade. The one I had the most gripe with is the pulling of Marshall for Wood. Wood look wild at best yesterday and Quade still went to him. Yes Zimmerman is a good hitting righty but Marshall could have pitched around him to get to the next 2 hitters who were both lefties. I also didn’t like to see the bullpen get taxed and have Shark, Marshall, Wood, Russel, Mateo, and Marmol all get used in a span of 3 or so innings. I always hoped that once the team got healthy things would turn around but this season is just heading down the drain while my local DC news continues to gloat about the Nationals being at .500, and outside of Werth’s contract, making good moves.
Sincerely,
Sad sunburned Cubs fan.
That man is tougher than a $2 steak
by GroundRuleTriple on Jul 4, 2011 5:52 PM CDT reply actions
Wood had nothing
and it was evident right away, to have him throw so many pitches over 2 days was frankly terrible. I don’t care that we didn’t have options in the bullpen.
Doom and Gloom
As soon as he came in I knew it was going to be bad. Yesterday he looked rough and couldn’t believe he was out there again
That man is tougher than a $2 steak
by GroundRuleTriple on Jul 4, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Wonder if the blister wasn't healed...
and he came off the DL too early? Would think that would affect his control, possibly.
How I channelled my post-loss bitterness
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
by Ross on Jul 4, 2011 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
TJ holding the flag
In the picture Thomas Jefferson is holding the flag and leading the race. I had to look up, though the numbers also indicate, who the red-head in third place was. That’s Abe Lincoln and the reddish looking hair threw me for a loop. I like the potato head mascots.
As for this game, I’d rather not think about it. I thought Quade should have had Samardzija pitch the 7th. It’s a shame that the top of the lineup didn’t get on base, which they usually do, because the others did.
by AboutTheCubs on Jul 4, 2011 7:23 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Peoria Chiefs' Austin Kirk has a no hitter through 6.
6 Ks and 2 BB.
He’s been amazing this year.
R.I.P. to my grandfather, Andrew Wiley
The reason I am a Cub fan forever
Now he's through 7 without a hit.
9 K!!.
R.I.P. to my grandfather, Andrew Wiley
The reason I am a Cub fan forever
AUSTIN KIRK THROWS A NO HITTER!
10 Ks!
First NO HITTER since 1988 in Peoria.
R.I.P. to my grandfather, Andrew Wiley
The reason I am a Cub fan forever
Yep - he has now done something
Maddux never has
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Or Fuld
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 4, 2011 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
He threw on in Little League
Seriously. The only reason I know is the first game after the trade to the Dodgers and he had a no hitter through 6 , after a 2 hour rain delay he did not go back out. The Dodgers were up 2-0 on the Reds in Cincy and he said while he thought he could go back and had done so for such delays in the past, he could not put his team at risk of a loss to satisfy some stat.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 4, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
THE Hawk on Castro...
Ken “THE Hawk” Harrelson is a favorite punching bag with Cubs fans in general and especially here at BCB. One thing that has been said often here is that Hawk rips the Cubs. In the past when that’s been mentioned here I’ve asked for examples and the evidence in support of that claim evaporates.
So tonight I’m watching the Sox game and THE Hawk is still raving about Starling Castro. Raving about Castro’s talents and abilities. So much for Hawk blasting the Cubbies.
is there a point to your post??
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Way to answer his question.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 4, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
True,
But reading comprehension is also a useful skill.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 4, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I made my point.
Don’t like it or the fact that I’ve said it (a Sox fan) then move along or embrace my reply.
And your point was what, exactly?
That you’re right and we’re wrong and we should shut up since we don’t know any better?
Because that’s pretty much what you came here with the intent of saying, whether you agree with my assessment or not.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 4, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Whatever, tough guy
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
look at you - you're on a roll.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Ladies, knock it off.
You’re both pretty.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 4, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
While I cannot provide any links to Hawk bashing Cubs
I can provide one of you bashing me for no reason. While we both know your original post is a simple troll. I suspect you will get exactly what you hoped for.
Good for Hawk for pointing out Starlin not Starling.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Positively
I’ve posted many positive comments about the Cubbies. Sorry but I don’t recall my exchanges with you in the past. If you though want to start searching, something I’ve been attacked for doing here, then have at it.
Hawk Harrelsomn is an annoying human being..... and I'd like it better if HE GONE
That said, simply because he praised STARLIN Castro does not mean he’s an unbaised announcer.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I did NOT say...
… that Hawk is “an unbiased announcer” and I do not think I intimated that here, or ever that I’m aware of.
Oh Please......
….. one remark praising Castro does not mean Harrelson never bashes the Cubs.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Actually, I agree with Crawdad here.
If you want an example of an announcer bashing the Cubs, look no further than Marty Brennaman.
Harrelson has made some odd comments during Cubs/Sox games — that “dadgum right this game will be played under protest” thing was bizarre — but I can’t recall him specifically bashing the Cubs.
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I know he likes to beat the Cubs
but I can handle that.
Hawk is just a terrible broadcaster, regardless of whom the White Sox are playing.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 5, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
But I do not hear him bashing other teams.
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That doesn't mean he doesn't suck
Hawk sucks, by any objective standard.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 5, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not disagreeing with that.
Only with the contention that he bashes the Cubs and other teams. He does not.
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He spends more time whining about umpires
and other teams getting “gift runs” than he does bitching about other teams.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 5, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Whining about umpires?
That complaint about Hawk made me laugh when I saw that it came from a poster with an umpire’s name, Not Bruce Froemming.
‘Yeah Hawk whines about umpires and will keep on bringing up past incidents for ages…Damn Hawk just won’t let things go…
:0
Which, to me is bashing
Admit the Sox got beat. Don’t shift the blame.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Thank you.
I understand someone not liking Hawk Harrelson’s style in the Sox booth. But as you and I agree, those here who’ve pummeled Hawk for allegedly bashing the Cubs are just plain wrong. And I think I made that point quite clearly.
Others here too have claimed that Hawk never says positive comments about an opponent. That’s wrong too, as this one example illustrates.
Hawk is a larger than life, cartoon-like character and he certainly is a homer. Interestingly, Cubs fans embraced a larger than life, cartoon-like character in Harry Caray. Then loved their homer, Ron Santo. No doubt that is the key, their homer. Of course too, irrational, knee jerk hatred of anything White Sox-related factors in Cubs fans hatred of Hawk as well.
I’ve said it many times here, I did not hate Ron Santo, actually I admire the man for what he overcame. However as a broadcaster to me he failed in a key aspect, being able to utter an intelligible sentence. Broadcasters, especially radio broadcasters should be able to put together a cogent point and in that Santo failed. But Santo was Cubs fan in the radio booth and I understand why that appealed to so many Cubs fans. It’s too bad that they’ve lost that friend and fan in the booth too young.
My take
Do I hate Hawk?? Yes
Do I enjoy Hawk?? Yes
If I could view all 6 Cubs/Sox game per year I would, if possible, listen to him 4/6. Why?? It is not only nice to hear the other side but also great to hear the other side when disliked. Baseball is wonderful and GREAT entertainment.
All being said – I have a Heave The Hawk shirt -
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
This is usually what happens ...
… when I’ve asked for examples of where Hawk has bashed the Cubs – silence – the poster disappears.
Right here, big boy
Sorry, but I don’t live to lurk on this site, much less respond to you.
I don’t listen to the guy. It only takes a couple of times for me to decide he’s biased. Bashing the Cubs, or any team, can take many forms. Harrelson can never accept that another team simply beat his beloved Sox. Whenever he can’t give credit where it’s due, that’s showing disrespect, hence “bashing”.
So I’m dadgum right, as he’d say.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Oh, if that were true
and you did not reply to me. Then with examples of Hawk bashing the Cubbies failing you, you slip into bashing me and really stretching for examples of Hawk bashing the Cubbies. Actually you have posted ZERO examples of Hawk bashing the Cubs.
Sorry, but I don't live for you
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
BTW Good job dodging ...
… coming up with even one example of Hawk bashing the Cubs.
The digs against me highlight clearly that you have nothing!
Bullshit
Since you need a reply of your own-
Bashing the Cubs, or any team, can take many forms. Harrelson can never accept that another team simply beat his beloved Sox. Whenever he can’t give credit where it’s due, that’s showing disrespect, hence "bashing".
Simply because you demand I’m not about to cite you day, date and time of when Harrelson bashed the Cubs. That’s crap. The guy’s a boor, and shows his contempt for whoever the Sox play each broadcast I’ve ever heard. The fact I don’t cowtow to you over it is something you’re just going to have to deal with.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Here's why...
Point by BS point.
Simply because you demand I’m not about to cite you day, date and time of when Harrelson bashed the Cubs. That’s crap.
Never said you had to provide all that detail. However, if as you’ve claimed Hawk had outright bashed the Cubs you’d think you’d have something in mind, you’d think you could repeat the gist of the gab. Nothing.
Bashing the Cubs, or any team, can take many forms. Harrelson can never accept that another team simply beat his beloved Sox. Whenever he can’t give credit where it’s due, that’s showing disrespect, hence “bashing”.
So now it’s changed from Hawk “bashing” the Cubs to Hawk not accepting a loss properly, according to you, from teams other than the Cubs and that somehow proves Hawk bashes the Cubs?
The highlighted remark is wrong on the face of the remark too. Never use never.
When the Twins beat the Sox in this next series against the Sox, I wish you could honestly listen to the broadcast and tell me that you hold to that statement. Hawk is absolutely deferential to the Twins. And gives them all the credit. But it’s not just the Twins, Hawk has been tipping the cap to ever crappy pitcher who’s shut down the Sox anemic offense this season.
And finally, you are at odds, not just with me but with Al Yellon the chief cook and bottle washer here at BCB. Al Yellon has said that Hawk does not “bash” the Cubs. On this Al Yellon and I agree.
And another thing...
And this is the final nail in your BS argument:
I don’t listen to the guy.
So you know for sure Hawk bashes the Cubs, but you admittedly “don’t listen to the guy?”
YOU'RE DADGUM RIGHT CUBS FAN'S ASSERTIONS ARE GONNA BE HELD UNDER PROTEST!
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Question for Doc Sox
Notwithstanding Harrelson’s praise of Castro, is there any validity to the theory that the White Sox intentionally market themselves as the “black sheep” team of Chicago and encourage a perception of being brash and unlikeable?
Are the attitudes of Harrelson, Ozzie, Pierzynski, etc. in any way influenced by a desire to be the “anti-Cubs” – a bunch of swaggering guys who are rough around the edges and don’t care what others think of them?
Is that a question or comment...
… that rings of a “Fox News” (Sean Hannity/ Bill O’Reilly) commentary ended with a question mark.
You're reading between lines that aren't there
Treat the question in the honest spirit it was asked. Do you, as a person who arguably follows the White Sox as closely as the rest of us follow the Cubs, believe that the Sox foster a “bad boy” culture a la the Oakland Raiders?
my opinion of him has changed completely
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 4, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know. Me too. Some really great points were raised and I can't help but feel remorse for the error of my ways!
We'll all miss you Ron.
im just a plain old fool
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 4, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Halarious remark about the "truck stop caps."
Yes indeed, mess backing would certainly make a wonderful fashion statment Al!
"Don't shed any tears. You think about this: Here I am, the grandson of a slave. And here the whole world was excited about whether I was going into the Hall of Fame or not. We've come a long ways." BUCK O'NEIL
by HotDogDude on Jul 4, 2011 9:26 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
This iPhone’s spelling has a mind of it’s own and is almost as ugly as a MESH caps!
"Don't shed any tears. You think about this: Here I am, the grandson of a slave. And here the whole world was excited about whether I was going into the Hall of Fame or not. We've come a long ways." BUCK O'NEIL
by HotDogDude on Jul 4, 2011 9:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
...
I refer you to this website which is full of autocorrect fails.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 4, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Why didn't they go for the Sac bunt in the 9th with Campana?
I think the next unique lose should be a walk off balk. I am surprised we haven’t done that yet.
I didn't see him hit a bunt for a double play
did he miss 2 bunts before and had too swing
That sounds like the Cubs
you got one of the fastest guys in the majors but he can’t throw down a bunt.
Usually, Campana can bunt pretty well.
Yesterday, he failed. It happens.
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Honestly - yes it happens
IMO it is unacceptable. It is not like he is going for the long ball in BP. He needs to get that down. It can be said that it cost us the game.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Yes, it can be said it cost the Cubs the game.
What are you going to do? Players don’t succeed 100% of the time at everything they do. Calling it “unacceptable” doesn’t make sense.
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My gripe on the bunt
is that sometimes position players will try and sacrifice but are also concerned about trying to get a hit. As a result they don’t get the sacrifice down. I can’t be sure but it seemed to me that Campana was doing a little of that too. He was worrying about getting a good jump out of the batters box before he even bunted the ball.
If you are asked to sacrifice bunt then sacrifice bunt. Don’t try and also lay down a hit. Livan Hernandez did it properly.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Maybe I am just still sore from a bunt I remember
Corey not getting down in late 2004.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
It's the little things
if Pena slides head first away from the plate using his left arm he scores easily and it’s game over. It is hard to watch poor ball day after day………..
by If we only had Hubbs on Jul 4, 2011 10:39 PM CDT reply actions
Or if his foot was down on the ground.
Brenly pointed out that his foot was in the air over home plate when he was tagged. If it was on the ground, he would have been safe.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Now the top of the order is slumping and the middle is hitting
…..and we our getting decent starting pitching but Wood is pitching sloppy. This team can’t run on all cylinders.
So the Cubs lose on a wild pitch
And the Sox win on a balk.
There clearly is no God.
by Mapmaker on Jul 4, 2011 10:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Its late in the day and I taped the game...so this is fresh for me!
A couple things I noticed….
One…Brenly was right…Byrd was loafing and it almost cost them on a play at the plate and he did not go in hard at 2b late in the game….He usually busts his ass, but not today.
Two…Soriano usually does NOT bust his ass and did not today either…On the ball that should have been caught by the the CF…he was clearly walking to first, and should have been on 3b by the time the play was done, instead of just getting to 2b because the throw got away…Then later with the bases loaded when he choked and popped out to CF with one out, it was almost the same play as the first one, yes this time it was caught, but he jogged to 1b AGAIN…The CF Dropped it the LAST TIME he came up….so all that tells me is that he is totally lazy.
And lastly…Wood did not have it today……Why was he still in there to start the 8th? Quade lucked out there…
PS….Way to keep an eye on Werth in the last inning!!!!!! Its like they don’t care….
Here's the real issue of the day...
How is it that our Eths finds the Miller Liteguards unattractive?!?
Who among us wouldn’t hit this:
Fun thing.
With Z on the DL and Demp missing yesterday’s start, all five starters the Cubs broke camp with have missed or will miss a start this year.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 5, 2011 9:27 AM CDT reply actions
All right, I'll be the asshole in the group.
Caption’s wrong. Based on the facial profile as well as the jersey number, I believe it’s Thomas Jefferson, and not George Washington, who won this race. It appears President Washington was a close second, with President Lincoln bringing up the rear. Not pictured: TR, who was doubtlessly flashing his famous smile at all the ladies in the park.
I would put Tim McCarver
in the top 5 as Cub bashers also. He is after all an ex – Cardinal.
ITS 2011, TIME TO GO TO CUBBIE HEAVEN!
Anybody else notice Mateo gets hurt the first time after throwing 5 innings for the first time?
Same thing happened to Stevens last last year…..
Is there any accountability going on with this worthless team?
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