Cubs Lose Third Straight Game By One Run, 5-4 To Nationals
by Al Yellon on Jul 6, 2011 9:30 PM CDT
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When the Cubs gave up runs in the first inning again Wednesday night -- for the third straight game to the Nationals -- that got me thinking: how many times had they done that this year and what was their record in such games?
So I looked it up, both what the team record is when allowing and scoring runs in the first inning in 2011. In some games they did both, so these numbers can include games on both lists.
Cubs when allowing a first-inning run or runs in 2011: 5-26
This isn't really surprising. When you go behind in a game early, you're much more likely to lose. What's more shocking is this:
Cubs when scoring a first-inning run or runs in 2011: 9-15
This team can't stand prosperity, either. It doesn't seem to matter to them whether they go behind or ahead early. Further, tonight was their fourth straight loss that was by one run, going back to Saturday's loss to the White Sox. That makes the team record in one-run games 10-17, which is approaching the awfulness they had last year at 15-30 in mid-August before recovering to win seven of their last nine one-run games last year.
The Cubs lost 5-4 to the Nationals Wednesday night, and it was on a totally unsurprising play. Catcher Wilson Ramos had swung and missed on an attempted suicide squeeze; Michael Morse, the baserunner, slammed on the brakes so he didn't get hit in the head by the bat.
Why weren't the Cubs ready for the squeeze again on ensuing pitches when it seemed really clear how much Davey Johnson and the Nats wanted to do it? On the next pitch, Ramos laid down a perfect bunt and Morse scored.
This after a pair of two-run homers, by Carlos Pena and Aramis Ramirez (the third time both had homered in a game this year), had erased the Cubs' first-inning deficit and brought the game into the seventh inning in a 4-4 tie. Really, Kerry Wood should have known better on the squeeze, maybe throwing a pitch low and outside or high to see if the Cubs could catch the Nats in the suicide again -- even a pitchout on an 0-1 pitch.
Randy Wells wasn't very good today either; he threw 92 pitches to get 12 outs, giving up ten hits and a matching pair of two-run homers to Nats Danny Espinosa and Ryan Zimmerman. Wells looks nothing like the guy who finished sixth in Rookie of the Year voting less than two years ago; I can't figure out what's wrong with him, but his ERA sits at a season-high 6.80 after this miserable outing and he's really had only one decent start (out of eight) since he came back. Could he still be hurt?
So the Cubs have to win Thursday to avoid a four-game sweep. The Nats actually look like a good up-and-coming young team and the Cubs have to go play another one, the Pirates, after this. This road trip is not looking good, not at all.
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Hmmmm...
“I can’t hustle for the ball…my pants are too tight!!!”
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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 6, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will try to help Soriano here
In wrestling there is / was a duo known as DX. Knowing Soriano’s love for wrestling makes me think he may be imitating their little gimmick… Or maybe he is just making a rude gesture.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Jul 6, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Becoming pathetic now
this is the Gnationals…not StL, or Reds, or Sox, or Yanks…
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The Nats are a pretty good young team.
That’s what is scary.
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Yep.
They could be REAL good next year.
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True. And have made
great strides in the last couple years…unlike the cubs.
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He definitely has
taken to the 8th inning role. With Storen closing, the Nats are winning a lot of close games.
I don't think they care too much.
I like Clippard alot though. He was always a really loose athletic pitcher so you’d imagine more velocity coming. Now he’s maxing his talent and building himself a nice career. I’d say the Yankees would be happy for him.
by SenorGato on Jul 7, 2011 12:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd say the Yankees would be happier if they had him setting up Rivera.
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there was an article somewhere else on the internets
Clippard is considered as having the best fastball in the majors. I’ll try to find article.
I'm going to the 2012 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp!!! Who's with me?
3 hits for Reggie Golden tonight
cheap-ish, but whatever.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Another loss that screams...
…fire Quade and Hendry. The reason their blames? Read on…
I had this gut feeling that when Wood was pitching, that he would giveup a homer and we’d end up losing. But to lose by a suicide squeeze is not what irks me. It’s the fact that they tried and almost botched the first attempt. Why didn’t Quade or Riggins tell Wood to keep in eye out for the runner? The infield wasn’t even playing bunt depth. I know, doesn’t matter because that was a perfectly executed squeeze….but at least show the opposition that you’re prepared for it. Who knows, maybe by playing the corners in, they might’ve tried to swing away on that AB.
Ok, let’s go with not playing the corners in after an attempt to squeze bunt: Kerry Wood is a veteran, there is no excuse for him to forget about that runner. A few looks and maybe a fake throw to third, and the idea of suicide-squeezing again, might not look so tempting.
Quade, Hendry(for signing Wood) are to blame as usual.
But in the eyes of Ricketts, everything is ok!
I hate it when ordinary Cub fans can out-manage Quade and his staff.
Two Words: Salty Saltwell
I am not knocking your post at all
….but seriously I do not EVER remember Wood throwing over to 3rd since 1998.
On that note – pitches rarely do. I wonder how that is fit in to PFP. On top of that – if they ran through that it’s now 3+ months into the season so when was the last time they ran through those??
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
no offense taken....
but i meant a fake throw…..yeah no pitcher really throws to 3B unless he catches the runner having a brain freeze….
a simple glance at the guy….or get off the rubber and stare that way…..that’s all I want to see.
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Soriano and Wood are dragging this team down. I don`t think there is a team that could use either one of them. They`re certtainly not prime time players anymore. The Cubs are so screwed with their contracts right now. Sorry, but Barney isn`t the answer at 2nd either. He makes way too many errors!!!! I`m tired of the sugar-coating for these players. You simply catch the ball and hit the ball. They do neither. It`s easy to blame Quade but he doesn`t catch the ball or hit it. I`m more apt to blame Jim Hendry. He`s the one responsible for signing the players and putting a competitive team on the field which he has failed to do!!!!!! It`s time to make some changes!!!!!!!
Wood, really?
Woods not been great and has given up some leads and that bases loaded walk was rough, but his E.R.A. is 2.63 has only given up 3 runs over his last 11 outings. That’s not great, but there’s no way you can accuse him of weighing this team down. And they’re screwed with contracts. All you’ve mentioned is Soriano and Wood and Wood is a great contract.
by Ken T on Jul 7, 2011 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're going to take issue with Barney?
his .300 batting average? his 7 errors? 7 for a rookie? compare that to our all star short stop who has 16 in his second year…Barney may not be the answer…but he’s definitely not the problem.
Yes, it’s time to make changes, but lets make changes where they are desperately needed and not one of the best fundamentally sound defensive (and offensive for that matter) players on this team who is cost controlled for the next 5 years!
Quit being angry just to be angry.
Barney is also the best
fundamental player on this team. He understands the game much better than the options at 2B. I don’t think I’ve seen him make one TOOTBLAN. Aside from a few errors for a rookie, I would argue he’s been a brightspot this year (easy to do this year though).
by portlandcubfan on Jul 7, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Hi. Welcome to BCB. I hope you enjoy it here.
And I hope with time you realize how inane that comment about Wood really is.
by Orval Overall on Jul 7, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
It's becoming a
pygmalian theory nightmare. We believe we are going to lose and we do. The games are actually ok to watch. They are close with twists and turns. But we just keep on losing. Night after night after night. It gets old but I still enjoy watching. It just doesn’t seem fair. I never thought in spring training we would.be this bad.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Jul 6, 2011 9:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The owner is still singing kumbaya
along with telling the world that the Cubs are nothing but seashells and balloons these days. The assistant GM had the gall to tell us today that the manager is going a great job. The Cubs are a complete and utter disgrace from top to bottom and that includes the overmatched owner.
We are only 27-47 away from 100 losses, very doable for this bunch.
If this team loses 100+ games...
and Tom Ricketts announces that Hendry and Quade’s jobs are safe, then I recommend a BCB live streaming meeting with Tom Ricketts. Have it via Facebook or USTREAM. I’d love to give him a piece of how I feel as a frustrated Cubs fan that believes their FO ignored accountability…
Two Words: Salty Saltwell
Randy Bush
The guy has been in baseball forever. It is not HIS time or place to make a comment that shakes the organization.
With that said – I get it. We are in a free fall and the idea of our second chute opening is in flux.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
We are not even at the ASB yet
Your expectations of public floggings are misplaced.
Is Quade the worst hire in modern Cubs history?
Essian and Quade are the worst I have ever seen, but Essian was a mid season guy.
It was comical watching Davey Johnson versus the in-over-his-head Quade tonight. A true mismatch of mega proportions.
Why, just why
can the Cubs not manufacture runs, like squeeze bunting or executing sacrifices. Can anyone tell me the last time the Cubs actually squeezed in a run? Ladies and Gentlemen, that is how you win ball games…
Because this team...
only has a handful of guys that knows how to execute a bunt…
Two Words: Salty Saltwell
including a guy who NEEDS to know how to bunt in Campana
oh wait he failed the other night and grew that into an extremely rare DP on his behalf.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
very true.....
when or if Campana becomes a good bunter…he will be a deadly and potent lead-off man.
Two Words: Salty Saltwell
Campana's best chance at being a major league regular is to invent a time machine
and return to the artificial surfaces of the 70s and 80s so he can just beat the ball into the ground and beat it out.
And view a Brett Butler career retrospective
so he can understand he also needs to walk.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Three times the Nationals tried to squeeze
Yet there wasn’t one f’ing pitch out. What a complete joke. This has to be the dumbest team in the league.
by Bad Midget on Jul 6, 2011 9:50 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Quade is doing a great job....
The Cubs management is trying to force-feed us to believe crap like that. Like we are sheep….baaa….
Two Words: Salty Saltwell
Why is that on Quade and not Soto/Wood
Or is Quade calling every pitch from the dug out?
Becauae that detracts from the anri-quade hivemind.
by Arbusto on Jul 7, 2011 8:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Whoever has the torch and pitchfork concession at BCB
does a land-office business 24/7.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 7, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHA!!! :-D
And be sure to stop by my pitchfork-sharpening booth, on the other side of the Addison Station.
I'd like to play poker with the guy
You could probably show Quade the royal flush in your hands, and he’d still keep raising the pot. How much more of a tip do you need than the botched squeeze? I only saw it on Sportscenter this morning, and I hoped it was editing that made it look like they retried on the next pitch….I guess not.
Sound fundamentals does not this team become.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Randy Wells?
I can’t figure out what’s wrong with him.
I don’t know…
He sucks?
He would not start on any contending team? Except the Cardinals where Duncan would work his magic!
This team, after all the scrutiny of last year, and all the best intentions of this crappy coaching staff, has not improved in any way. Well, BA, I suppose.
Terrible ERA, terrible risp hitting, atrocious fielding, poor management judgement.
This stacks up with the 2002 team and some other stinkers. Not the worst, but just not a major-league quality big-market squad for $140MM.
Go Pirates!!!
You may have to print a retraction at the end of the season...
I do believe this team IS the worst…from top to bottom. Sad, for sure, but, I’ve seen alot of very bad Cubs teams, but, I think this one may have the title after it’s all said and done.
With the 1st pick in the 2012 Baseball Amateur Draft, the Chicago Cubs select...
I don't know...
there was some doofus on this board who bet me the Cubs would be “within 5-7 games of the Cardinals”.
He hasn’t showed since April though.
I lived through Elia, Marshall, and every other crappy team since 1968. This team is not as bad as some. But they do suck ass.
I lived through some of those bad teams especially in the 70s
I know this sounds strange but this team seamed to have more talent. The injuries to starting pitchers is bad , but the near total inability to get hits when it matter and to swing at anything is what drives me insane about this team , well that and Quade’s line ups and in game moves. I thought I would so happy with Lou gone and now I have a bald Lou who talks a lot nicer to the media and remembers players names.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 6, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
You keep railing about the hitting
but the Cubs are 4th in the NL in batting and 8th in runs scored.
Pitching is the real failing of this team. Only the Astros are worse in runs allowed and ERA.
It's not just the pitching.
Situational hitting is another area where this team fails mightily. It doesn’t matter how good your hitting is if you can’t hit with RISP and open up a big inning against the opposing team.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 6, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you watched the games regularly
You would see how time and again the Cubs simply can not score runs when they need them, they can bunt , they can not take walks, hell they can not take pitches. They are 30th out of 30 teams in walks. They also have no speed and are 29th in walks They allow a stream of mediocre to bad pitchers to run over them. Obviously the ERA situation is exacerbated by the non existent back up pitchers but they are losing games more because they can not score than their crappy pitching. Tonight would be a good example. They can’t advance runners or get hits when needed and even though the bullpen gave up only one run in 5 innings they lost by that run. This past week has been just brutal in terms of losing games though poor hitting and execution.
Simply looking at ERA and runs scored stats in isolation does not tell the story. The pitching has been bad with a bit more of an excuse but the hitting & running has been brutal.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 6, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
WTH?
29th or 30th in walks?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 6, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
write this one down folks: JESSICA IS RIGHT
Cubs are ranked dead last in all of MLB fewest walks allowed. With a sizeable lead on 29th place Toronto, at that.
OOPS 30th in walks 29th in stolen bases
They are obviously MUCH better at stolen bases.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 6, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
and yet ANOTHER typo
They can NOT bunt. Jeez I am bad tonight.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 6, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on, Jessica.
Give Quade (or Hendry or Kenney or Ricketts) the boot off your account. We need the old Jessica back!
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 6, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Since I got the MLB package this year
I have watched a ton of Cubs games.
The stats don’t lie. Yes, tonight’s game was typical. The Cubs came back twice from 2-run deficits to get back in the game with the long ball. What they needed to win this game was for their bullpen to match the Nats bullpen zero for zero. With the guys the Nats ran out there from the the 7th inning on…1.59 ERA, 1.91 ERA, closer…it was going to be a struggle and the best shot the Cubs had to win was to get the game into extra innings. The bullpen coughed up the win tonight, not the offense.
Sure the Cubs walk less than anybody else. But, the Brewers don’t walk much either.
No question the Cubs struggle offensively, but if they got even halfway decent pitching, they have enough offense to where they could be within shouting distance of .500. It’s the fact that their pitching is awful that has them 18 games below.
15th in ERA, 15th in runs allowed, last in walks allowed, last in On Base Average against, last in WHIP, 14th in slugging average against, 14th in Total Bases allowed, 14th in HBP, etc etc
Pitching and defense
has to be the vocal point of improving this team.
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The reason I am a Cub fan forever
which is sad
because pitching was considered a great strength coming into this year…
Oh Larry, where art thou?
whenever I see 85% and "fans" in the same sentence...
…I keep hoping another Lee Elia rant is just around the corner.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
there's fixin to be one...
“the name of the game is hit the ball, catch the ball and get the F***ing job done. right now we have more losses than we have wins…”
I think the words you are looking for are FOCAL point
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by Nunyabidness on Jul 7, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
If they were more patient and could execute batting/running fundamentals
they would be be in whispering distance of .500. They don’t take pitches and swing at crap which has the double bonus of not scoring AND letting a bunch of struggling pitchers off the hook. Inning after inning, game after game the Cubs have not only a chance to score but a pitcher on the ropes only to go down on 3 pitches in the next two batters.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 6, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
The most telling stat
is run differential. Cubs are 2nd worst in baseball, only the Astros are worse.
Since the Cubs are right in the middle of the NL in runs scored, that clearly indicates that their piss poor run differential is much more about their pitching than their hitting.
But, the Brewers don’t walk much either
……but they have Prince! (just daydreaming)
by DavidArthurKingman on Jul 7, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it's the worst
But it’s definitely the worst $125 million team of all time.
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And Hendry still believes that....
by “plugging a few holes” this team can be competitive……
Two Words: Salty Saltwell
Heard on ESPN radio this morning from Buster Olney
That the Cubs will be sellers at the trade deadline but no team wants their players…ha
There isn't many players on the team to sell....
I really don’t any of the players being dealt…..unless you’re talking about Dewitt or Baker. Wow.
If Hendry manages to deal Fukudome, I’ll applaud him for that. One of the few times I would.
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I heard him on Mike and Mike.
And while Buster’s sources are a million times more worthy than my opinion — the Cubs have a couple of players that teams could use.
Marlon Byrd, and Ryan Dempster to name two. Ramirez also, but I don’t think he waives his NTC.
I wonder if Ramirez would accept a trade to the Angels, though.
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The reason I am a Cub fan forever
It is going to be
more of the same next year unfortunately.
There are 5-6 real “keepers” on this team from which to build.
Even with Fielder, the team still does not have enough to win the NL.
It is so sad that the window closed in 2009 on Hendry’s fingers.
The Brewers are a FAR better team than the Cubs
and although they do have a chance to win – they most likely will not. As good as he is – the Cubs will not win in the next couple prime years of his.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Ok, I'll bite.
Keepers
Starlin Castro
Matt Garza
Sean Marshall
Darwin Barney (?)
Chris Carpenter (?)
Aramis Ramirez (?)
Geovany Soto (?)
Carlos Zambrano (?)
Guys like Brett Jackson, Andrew Cashner, Ryan Flaherty and Trey McNutt aren’t here yet or haven’t had enough of a sample size to judge.
I think we have GOT to trade Marlon Byrd and Fukudome to find out what Jackson and Flaherty can bring to the table. I think you stick Flaherty at a combination of 2nd, 3rd and RF. If he hits, we’ll find a permanent position for him.
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Um how does trading two out fielders (if you actually could)
help open up a spot for Flaherty? In general rushing up guys who are not ready ( and I don’t think Jackson is) does not help them or the team.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 6, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Because..
Flaherty can play RF. Jackson will be ready, IMO, if Byrd is traded.
Even if Flaherty doesn’t play right primarily, he could play multiple positions such as 2nd, 3rd and the corner outfield spots.
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The reason I am a Cub fan forever
Decent game for Gorzo
but a little off from his usual start. Ironically this is the most runs the Nats have scored in his last 3 starts.
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Me either
Still has a lower ERA
than any of our starters…
He and Garza were basically tied before the game
Gorzo’s went up slightly so Garza now has a better ERA.
Of course we had such depth we did not need to keep him after we got Garza.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 6, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
We missed by only one day...
… having “Gorz vs. Garz”.
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Just as well, the earth would have flown off it's axis.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 6, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes because
of fabulous Randy Wells, Fat Boy Slim, “Welly”, and the other rag-armed-out-of-baseball-for-a-year-guy Hendry gave a NRI to. Of course it was a bummer Cashner got hurt.
Can’t blame Hendry for that.
I blame Hendry
for not having the pitching depth that the Cubs need. Yes, you can say he had Wellemyer, Looper, etc but you can’t seriously say they were legit backups.
Well remember
Hendry kicked the tires on Brandon Webb.
Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don’t make.
Indeed...
he has a few of those, Jake Peavy included.
But his bad moves far outweigh his good ones after ten years.
just dumb luck then
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 6, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
that’s the way it goes sometimes.
I think the Brandon Webb thing had some luck attached to it, too. My understanding was that Hendry wanted to tie Webb up for two years and Webb’s agent insisted on a 1 year deal so that Webb could renegotiate after he had what he thought would be a bounce back year.
After the top 4 guys, in Spring Training we had...
Wellemeyer, Looper, Silva, Cashner, Coleman as a fifth starter and depth. Its not Hendry’s fault that 2 of them retired, one is an arrogant now out of work jerk, one did something crazy to his arm, and the other still needs a little more work at AAA. Add to that Diamond who could have provided some depth but was absolutely atrocious in AAA this year for us, and we had depth. As it turns out, our depth needed depth. When you have that many guys that can provide help, its not your fault if they all fall through, its bad luck. Don’t get me wrong, I think Hendry needs to go, but the pitching injury situation was not his fault.
by Mulhollandmania on Jul 6, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Wellemeyer and Looper were just guys invited to ST
to give them a flyer. No one would have relied on them for any kind of depth. Silva was iffy and certainly after the start of ST they had a clue he was not going to make it. Coleman was the only one of those who one could reasonably be thought of as someone you could go to as fill in and counting on Cashner as the 5th starter to begin with was certainly no sure thing.The Cubs chose to trade Gorzo as soon as they got Garza and before being able to asses to the reality of the situation. The Cubs had basically no one in their entire system who could spot start except Coleman by April 1. More than a few teams had a vet stashed either in their bull pen or their AAA team, the Cubs were left scrambling for Davis & Ortiz when pitchers went down and it took them weeks to get up to speed and Coleman was no good. They ended up with disastrous Russell starts, followed by the rest of them. Again if you can’t get ONE single pitcher to fill the 5th starter spot ( let alone the 4th) over the entire first half of the season, from within your system or by making a trade than Hendry is not doing his job.
Bad luck was Wells & Cashner going down, bad organization was when you can’t even find a warm body to go five innings in their place.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 7, 2011 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Well that they would score more off the Cubs is not ironic
that they would score more runs for Gorzo pitching against his old team and he STILL would not get the win is kind of ironic. Gorzo has been a hard luck pitcher on run support,
I am sorry he disappointed Senorgato by not sucking while the actual Cubs starter did.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 6, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha - makes sense
Should have looked into it deeper then just this post. I would give my opinion on GORZ but I am thinking better of it.
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
So a few notes after attending tonights game:
- The Nats have absolutely fantastic food at the club level.
- Wood really was not at fault at all. Soriano should have made the play on the double and simply jogged over to the ball. One of his more pathetic plays of the year. Morse was doing a decent job concealing the squeeze, and Wood really had no chance against it. Really, I’d prefer them to stick Koyie Hill out there in left instead of Soriano.
- Reed Johnson is an awesome fielder!!!! Pena made some incredible grabs of errant throws.
- Carpenter had REALLY good stuff tonight and was routinely reaching 98, 99, finishing up with a slider. He’s definitely going to be setting up sooner rather than later.
- Gorzo actually looked pretty bad, except that cubs hitters naturally swung at everything. Soto, Ramirez, and Soriano all had really long fly balls to the center field wall that were near misses and he just did not look sharp.
Agree on Carpenter.
I told people about him earlier this year when some were asking for a power arm. He needs to have a better control of his pitches, though.
But if he gets control of them? Watch out.
R.I.P. to my grandfather, Andrew Wiley
The reason I am a Cub fan forever
About Carpenter....
I had a discussion with one of my co-workers today about him. If a team wants Marmol and the Cubs would get 3-4 prospects with two being top, would you pull the trigger?
Carpenter has the goods to be a closer but he needs the grooming to become one. It will take time and along with it comes risk.
The state of the Cubs right now, with the record and the direction of how the future will be,(will the Cubs actually be contenders next year? I highly doubt) I would take the gamble.
Two Words: Salty Saltwell
I'd trade Marmol in a second.
Especially for top prospects. He’s going to need a raise soon and I think the Cubs strength in the future is their bullpen.
And remember Guzman is rehabbing. He has closer’s stuff also. Got to stay healthy first.
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The reason I am a Cub fan forever
Let's hope so.
7.1 innings pitched, 1.17 ERA at Daytona. Hopefully he’s recovering nicely.
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No problem at all.
He’s also got 6 Ks in those 7.1 innings. It’s High-A ball but hey, at least he’s showing he’s healthy.
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For now.
Guzman is just like Prior to me. The Cubs should never count on him. If he pitches then it should be considered a bonus.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Exactly
Great if he comes back, but don’t count on it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 6, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Carpenter is a Tommy John surgery case waiting to happen
I’m not sure how he can sustain throwing that hard.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 6, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
But it appears he throws mostly fastballs??
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
NBF and Hammer
Carpenter already had TJ surgery in college. Looks to me like he is not a “max effort” delivery pitcher so I’d think he could avoid that again. Hammer.. I’m pretty sure that as a rookie, he’s going to throw whatever finger the catcher puts down. Just my theories here.
A-ha ... thanks, skeezer
He throws so hard, maybe he’ll need TJ in his OTHER elbow … :)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 7, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Hell yes
but no one is giving the Cubs that for Marmol. Closers are not drawing 2 top prospects + others.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
The market for closers is certainly wacky
Not a great of money and the ability to fizzle out is too easy.
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Wood really was not at fault at all. Soriano should have made the play on the double and simply jogged over to the ball. One of his more pathetic plays of the year. Morse was doing a decent job concealing the squeeze, and Wood really had no chance against it. Really, I’d prefer them to stick Koyie Hill out there in left instead of Soriano.
Yes it was on Kid K. We all know how Soriano hustles for balls. Everytime the manager plays him, that gets a pass.
Yes Wood had no chance, because he never took any glances or stepped off the rubber and look over there. Veteran pitchers usually don’t make those mistakes. The element of surprise was taken away once the tried attempt at a suicide didn’t work.
“fool me once…….fool me twice……”
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No it's not.
These Cubs can’t score 8 runs without giving up 7.
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Dude.....man....
I was out of toothpicks……where’s my son so he can sit on my lap?
Two Words: Salty Saltwell
Ahhh, I don't care
much about him anymore. But, if he ruins a couple pitchers arms, I wouldn’t mind.
HEY GUYS! 88 GAMES IN!
ONLY 74 GAMES LEFT! WE CAN DO THIS!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
74 games until Year 3!
Blake "The Franchise" DeWitt will lead us to the promised land
by jesus christos on Jul 6, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
We have 74 more games of this crap to watch???
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Jul 7, 2011 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions
And
236 games until any resemblence of competing is possible. Not probable mind you, just possible.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
2011 cubs
Inlife, if something is broke you have to fix it. The 2011 version of the Cubs is busted flat. Time to call the handyman!!!!! Let`s start at the top and work our way down!!!!! It will somewhat keep our fanbase for at least till next year!!!! It`s a no- brainer!!!!! We Fans want CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Three Games
… And I think all I really have to say is that Reed Johnson at least looked good.
Davey Johnson said in the postgame that this was the first squeeze he had ever called in the majors. Don’t know if true or not.
The failure of Marmol
to check the runner on 2nd and Wood’s failure to check the guy on 3rd tonight are both evidence of this team’s poor fundamentals. We seem to be shocked when other teams do anything out of the ordinary. Castro’s failure to get the ball over to 1st on the opening play of the game showed he didn’t expect their fastest runner to beat his play.
We’re unprepared to face good or bad teams. It’s an ongoing problem that shows no appearance of being solved. Players aren’t prepared, primarily because coaches aren’t prepared. We need a whole new set of people in this organization to set the bar higher. Too many years and too many repeated mistakes. We’re just not very smart.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
by tharr on Jul 6, 2011 10:37 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
True on Castro in the first. He acted like Mark Grace (the announcer, not the player) was running
to first and it cost them a run. Do they sit down and talk about the lineup before a game? Do the players listen if they do? I know the Cubs usually don’t have lead-off men who can run but Castro may have noticed that the first guy batting on other teams is usually pretty fast.
After the Cubs flew out three times to the wall I rightly figured it was not our night and I decided to do something more fun: clean the basement.
HEY!!! I can use the reply button.
I thought I was typing in it until it was too late. If only there was an edit/delete feature as long as nobody has replied.
especially this page
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Who cares?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Year 2
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
by SackMan on Jul 6, 2011 11:51 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If we get swept by the Pirates
which appears likely, is there management change at the All-star break?
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good point but something has to give
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in all seriousness
that excuse holds no water. Look at the Cardinals, the Indians, and the any number of other teams. It is not injuries, I think we all know that. It is the manager’s job to
-have his team ready, which the Cubs never look like they are
-know who their opponents are, which the Cubs never appear to know
-coach fundamentals, HAHAHAHAHA
-manage the bullpen, bwaahahahaha!!!
-hold players accountable, applies only to Castro.
end rant.
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Billy Martin was an all star manager and coach
and he was hired, fired and hired many, many times.
You do what is in the best interests of the organization.
Right now, the Cubs aren’t even close.
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
a simple - "close the door behind you"
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Why is Q an all star coach?
Did every other coach already have plans for the week?
Jim Riggleman resigned.
And Bruce Bochy said he wanted to give the slot to someone who had never been there and would appreciate the honor.
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Are you sure others didn't decline the offer...
to be with their families for the break?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
And will....
never again have the opportunity?
Why would there be? And who in their right mind would wanna take over a team...
…that’s on it’s way to 95 – 100 losses? There’s 3 months left…then “Tom Ricketts, you are on the clock!” His credibility will be tested BIG time. Is he “in it to win it” or just another suit in charge of something he has NO clue about. I’ve never looked forward to an off season before…until now. Will be interesting.
With the 1st pick in the 2012 Baseball Amateur Draft, the Chicago Cubs select...
The Pirates? You don't think we can beat the Pirates?!!!!
Oh wait, the Pirates own us…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Jul 7, 2011 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions
my buddy is a huge Pirates fan
he’s had this series circled since March. Can’t say that I blame him, Pirates are going to pwn the Cubs I suspect.
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Something something
Hendry, Ricketts, Quade. The end is near while they are here! The sun don’t shine where they draw their lines! The team won’t fly because they want it to die!
by SenorGato on Jul 7, 2011 1:00 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
so...
you also agree this is a terrible team/organization. I guess we all have our ways of dealing with it
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
My expert analysis:
Cubs suck.
Keep that Q Train rollin' in '11. Let's win it for Ronnie.
by mikegncb34 on Jul 7, 2011 1:22 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Amateur analysts agree with you.
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
I really don't know why, but I'm about to start the audio archive. Al's recap sounds very depressing.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
...and the game wasn't much better.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
It took you five hours to listen to that?
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other things eths does:
wringing of hands
kicking of puppies
extended periods of profanity
quizzical looks of dismay
drying of towels for more sobbing
I'm going to the 2012 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp!!! Who's with me?
Not mention doing some work, e.g. pause game, go to meeting, explain why tears are flowing, ...
explain who the Cubs are,
explain what Baseball is (this is Germany after all),
explain why it’s important,
feel misunderstood,
talk about stuff,
talk about more stuff,
leave meeting,
return to desk,
continue audio archive play back,
wringing of hands,
write some code,
kicking of puppies
write some code,
extended periods of profanity,
get some coffee,
quizzical looks of dismay,
write some code,
drying of towels for more sobbing,
pause game,
go to meeting…
ad nauseum
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Oh and, how could I forget,
…gnashing of teeth…
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I'd like to see...
just for 2 frickin’ weeks solid…A-Ram, Pena, Soriano and Soto ALL get hot and go on a tear at the same time. I know it won’t happen, but, it sure would be great to see. Pena is slowly but surely playing his way to an extension, I’m thinkin’. A-Ram may be playing for a 2 or 3 year contract, too…just for a lot less money per year. Soriano is done. This is gonna be brutal the next 3 years. He needs to do himself AND the Cubs a favor and come to some sorta buy out agreement and retire…he’s lame. If he was a horse…2 in the head. Soto went from the best catcher in the NL to not even being in the conversation. What’s up with him? Wells needs to go away. If he’s the “future” of the Cubs then they got some serious issues. Wood? Whatever. ‘Nuff said there. 100 loses is very reachable and these people in management just don’t see it.
With the 1st pick in the 2012 Baseball Amateur Draft, the Chicago Cubs select...
While I think you continue to be too hard on Wood (TWSS) ...
I pretty much agree with everything else, particularly Soriano.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Oh they see it
They see it alright, they just don’t have enough baseball people making decisions. Of course Hendry is going to feed Kenney and Ricketts that things are running their course…he’s trying to hold onto his job. That Kenney and Ricketts may actually buy into such nonsense is where fantasy and reality overlap. Meanwhile, the rest of MLB points and laughs at the worst front office in baseball. While the real joke remains on the fools that absent-mindedly hand over dollars to watch this club flounder without direction on a daily basis because the sun is out.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
We don't yet know whether the Ricketts buy into it or if they are absent minded.
Public comments in support of Hendry don’t mean that much, because a) they haven’t been ironclad and b) if Ricketts wants Hendry to finish the season, he won’t throw him under the bus midseason. Remember 2006? The Cubs were floundering under Dusty Baker and ended up losing 96 games. We learned later that Dusty had been told (in August?) that he would not be re-signed, but we didn’t know he was gone for sure until the final day of the season.
Now, sure, you can argue that the Cubs should fire Hendry right now. But if the Cubs aren’t going to do that, if they plan on letting the season end first, then Ricketts’ public comments are about what I’d expect.
Barring a miracle turnaround, there’s no way in my mind that Hendry should be back in 2012. If Ricketts is actually happy with the job Hendry is doing, if he can put up with a team looking at 90 losses and attendance falling off badly — in other words, if Ricketts’ public statements are his honest opinion, and Hendry is retained despite the season heading where we think it’s heading — well, I’m gonna have a tough time still pulling for this club.
I know the first two years of the Ricketts era haven’t been much fun. But we still don’t have much of a sample size to predict this owners’ actions. I’m holding out hope that a guy who fell in love with the Cubs sitting in the bleachers won’t retain a GM whose moves empties them out by Labor Day.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Jul 7, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very good point. Only thing I disagree with is:
Now, sure, you can argue that the Cubs should fire Hendry right now.
No, there is no legitimate argument to firing a GM on the 7th of July unless he does something severely out of line. We are in the middle of the IFA period and signing our draft picks, not to mention the ground work for trades has likely already been laid down. You absolutely can not fire your GM in the middle of such processes, because it simply invites the possibility of failure from the next GM. Imagine if we fired Hendry and didn’t sign Baez or Vogelbach? Or if we had an IFA that Hendry was working with that didn’t sign when he was let go?
What does the club possibly have to gain other than the peace of mind of the fans at the firing of the GM? Nothing, the only thing that can come from this is more trouble. Yes, you can argue if you fire Hendry that Randy Bush should know what is going on and not miss a beat, but he’d have none of the rapport that Hendry has, not to mention he’s basically Hendry-lite.
For those of you who say, “I don’t want Hendry dealing players at the deadline,” you’re lucky, because we have literally nothing of value to offer. Pretty much anyone we would trade would simply be a dump, so you’ve got almost nothing to fear there. Yes, Hendry does need to be shown the door immediate after this season, but to come here every day and see the, “Hendry needs to be fired today!!” posts is ridiculous. It can’t and wont happen. It’s one thing to be upset, but at least be realistic with it. And people need to stop being pissed off at Ricketts for not firing him mid-season – it was never going to happen.
I don't think he should be fired midseason.
Hell, it probably doesn’t matter that much either way. But I can understand why some would think he should be.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Nah. If you have no faith in Hendry whatsoever ...
then you don’t want him touching anything. If you think he’s done a bad job and needs to go — different than having an no faith and how I feel — letting him end the season isn’t that big of a deal.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
But do the people with no faith in Hendry REALLY have any faith in Randy Bush??
You’re basically trading the real hendry for a fake Hendry with less connections.
It’s not like Cherrington or Hahn is our assistant…
Bush has a more favorable rating than Hendry around these parts.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Only because his name isn't Hendry...
Which is a terrible reason.
That's not it.
Hendry has had 10 years as GM (and several years as minor league coordinator). In addition to all the bad contracts, the minor league system has only really started to produce fruit.
Bush, meanwhile, has only been with the Cubs since 2005, and he is credited with helping revive the farm system.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I've rarely if ever heard Bush credited for reviving the farm system.
And much more frequently heard Wilken credited with that feat.
Where have you heard that information, wouldn’t mind reading something positive for once.
It's been common on this site.
I believe Al has been among those crediting Bush (though I might be wrong there).
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
No, I haven't really given Bush the credit.
That goes to Wilken and Oneri Fleita, in my opinion.
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Maybe I'm confused.
If I am, I’m sorry.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Before firing him, they need to have a replacement lined up.
Who, right now, is available and good?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
This is exactly the problem, you're not going to get anyone mid season...
You can’t take a teams assistant GM in the middle of July and you’re not going to find a better candidate on the street.
unless they fire Hendry just to appease the fans and media
and fill the gap with front office roster fill until the season’s over, when they can actually hire a better candidate.
I don't see the Ricketts doing that.
Nor would I want them to.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Right.
If you fire Hendry now, Randy Bush takes over.
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If Rickett's does anything to appease the fans and media
He needs to sell the Cubs today.
If part of the reasoning is to bring in fans ...
I don’t see that as a problem. PART of the reason.
OTOH, how many people going to Wrigley every day even know who Jim Hendry is?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
"(I) never bought into, 'I should have a baseball guy to watch my baseball guy and his baseball guys.'"
This comment by Tom Ricketts has concerned me from the second he said it. It makes him sound like he doesn’t understand how a competitive MLB front office works, and it suggests he won’t prioritize the right qualifications when it comes time to hire a new team president and/or general manager.
Not all front offices have or need a baseball first president to oversee their GM.
If the GM is a smart baseball mind, there really shouldn’t be much of a need. Unfortunately, in the case of the Cubs, something is badly needed.
It’s fine if the president is focused on the business side of baseball as long as the GM is good at what they do.
true, BD (see: Jim Finks)
However a President with a sharp baseball mind would make the GM hire a bit more foolproof.
You can argue that, but can't you also argue that if Rickett's is able to pick out a sound baseball mind for President he can pick one out as GM?
It’s one of those, “either he can do it or he can’t.” I’m praying he can, but if he mucks ups the GM, wouldn’t he have been just as likely to much up the president who hires the next GM?
Pardon my language, but shit rolls downhill. You can make the hill taller (adding more layers), but it’s going to reach the bottom sooner or later.
I see your "shit rolls downhill" and raise you a "fish stinks from the head"
Bottom line being I agree with you. Just hoping the next guy in charge – GM or Pres or both – is on the ball.
Hendry is obviously a lame duck.
I wouldn’t want him making the deadline deals that will influence the future of the Cubs.
Fire him now and let the new GM make those deals.
As Buster Olney said this morning ...
the Cubs are sellers, but nobody really wants what they’re selling.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
what are you suggesting
the Cubs are selling swampland in Florida? A bridge in London?
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I got dibs on the bridge...
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Not sure if Ricketts
can pull the trigger on Hendry . However a new GM is not going to deal with Quade and his coaching staff . That would be a huge mistake given the mess this club is in .
I'd rather wait until end of the season
and get a bigger group of candidates. I don’t see a flurry of deadline deals for this team.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
what?
Wood has pitched in three games since returning from the DL, with two being game changing. But he hasn’t pitched “bad.”
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
No, that's mediocre.
A WHIP of 2.0 would be bad. And we’re talking small sample size here.
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No we're not. He's been been pretty bad all season
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jul 7, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Have you watched him?
He’s been atrocious each time.
Wells' MO has been pretty consistent this year
bad first inning, then he gets it together for 3-4 innings, and then falls apart around the 5th or 6th. He was true to form last night.
Other than the enjoyment of watching both Ramirez and Pena locked in at the plate and hitting the ball hard, not much else positive. Barney really struggled in the field last night, and frankly the Nats bullpen is dominating us this series. Rodriguez is like Carpenter except the difference is he’s got a nasty breaking ball – Carpenter will need something else or that ridiculous foul ball battle with Gorzelanny will be a preview of things to come.
Man...I really don't like this team.
I got nothing else.
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