Cubs Win 6-3 In Ordinary, Run-Of-Mill Game, Except...
by Al Yellon on Jul 9, 2011 9:17 PM CDT
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I wish I could report to you that there were no controversies or other issues in tonight's 6-3 Cubs win over the Pirates in front of a packed house at PNC Park in Pittsburgh.
And, in fact, the Cubs played a solid game, taking a first-inning lead that they never relinquished.
Starlin Castro, headed to the All-Star Game, had three hits and drove in a run. Aramis Ramirez, not headed to the ASG to replace the injured Chipper Jones (Scott Rolen is going instead -- what a joke, Ramirez is having the best offensive season of any NL 3B) -- had two hits. Koyie Hill did a nice job of blocking the plate to keep the Pirates scoreless in the first inning. Kosuke Fukudome, Carlos Pena, Alfonso Soriano and Darwin Barney all also had a pair of hits Saturday night.
And the Cubs bullpen threw four innings and allowed just one hit; Carlos Marmol posted his 19th save, just a day after he spectacularly blew one Friday night, ending it with adouble-play ball.
No, of course, the 2011 Cubs can't just win quietly and await the final game before the All-Star break Sunday afternoon. No, the 2011 Cubs have to have controversy.
When Mike Quade decided to lift Ryan Dempster after five innings with a 5-3 lead and Dempster at just 87 pitches thrown, Dempster wasn't happy:
As Dempster came off the field after the fifth against the Pirates, he was greeted at the dugout steps by Quade, who apparently told the pitcher that he was finished. This was Dempster's first start since June 29. He missed his scheduled outing last Monday because of back problems and a stomach ailment.
Dempster was obviously upset at Quade's decision and argued in the dugout before disappearing down the steps.
True that Dempster had to wait five extra days for this start, though he wasn't placed on the DL. Also true that Dempster was yanked after 83 pitches in his previous start on June 29, the eight-inning gem he threw against the Giants.
But as Paul Sullivan pointed out via tweet:
And if Quade loses Dempster, does that means he's lost the team? Dempster was the first to lobby for Quade to keep job last September.less than a minute ago via web 
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This is a valid point. Quade has been a players' manager (just as Jim Hendry is a players' GM) and if he's lost the team, what happens the rest of the season to the club? What happens to Quade? In 1999, with the Cubs in a tailspin, it was pretty clear that the players quit on Jim Riggleman, leading to Riggs' firing just a year after he led the team to the wild card in 1998.
Maybe it's nothing. But maybe it's something. This team just can't seem to get through an ordinary week, even with a nicely-played win behind them Saturday night.
One more game Sunday afternoon and the Cubs hit the All-Star break. We fans need the time off as much as the players do, I think.
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I don't think this is a big deal, Al
They showed it on TV but put forth no ulterior motives or drew the irresponsible conclusions Sully did.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 9, 2011 9:20 PM CDT reply actions
True.
But five innings and 87 pitches really isn’t “too long”, considering he doesn’t go again until next Friday.
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The other thing that should be mentioned is the 9 spot was leading off that inning.
We'll all miss you Ron.
I also agreed with pulling Demp
Pitcher’s spot leading-off the 6th, Dempster coming off illness, and he wasn’t throwing that great anyway. This smells like yet another manufactured hit job on Quade. Transparent and predictable.
I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
yabbut 87 pitches could turn into 107 in 1 inning easily
especially with Demp.
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
My point = fresh start
Q treated this like a first start/last start out of ST. I am not going look at this as a big deal.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
But the game perhaps already lost.
Not going to hear it much, but based on Dempster’s performance this year, and his propensity to implode at light speed, this was a sound decision by Quade.
"The cheaper the hood, the gaudier the talk" - Philip Marlowe
by ForTheLoveOfBiitner on Jul 10, 2011 3:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree
I sure hope Demp would be fired up about this. More Cubbies need to show some fire like Demp. Too many sleep-walkers otherwise. Dempster is a mature vet and everything will be fine. If not, Quade is screwed.
Paul Sullivan must be stopped....
I am not a big fan of pointing fingers at media, but I really think “Sully” muckrakes as much as possible. He seems to like to be at the center of the story.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
Agreed
I think Sully is making a mountain out of a molehill.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 9, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't just Sullivan.
Was tweeted by all the beat writers.
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Then they're all guilty of doing that
Talk about flying off the handle.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 9, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe so.
Dempster doesn’t usually do that, though. Uncharacteristic for him.
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True
Campbell pointed out that Quade might not have liked Dempster walking the leadoff man in the previous two innings. Perhaps that was a reason to get him out of there before he did any additional damage.
A normal start and maybe Demp doesn’t react that way. Maybe skipping a start gave him something more to prove.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 9, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Aghh Tweeting
something that should be disallowed by the beat writers.
Never would happen – too much attention and potential BS stories.
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Muckraking isn't a bad word...
don’t confuse what Sullivan is doing with that.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Muck faking?
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
I guess.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Muckracking means investigative journalism. This is speculative gossip. Might be correct, might not be. But it’s not muckraking which does not mean “spreading dirt.”
by Josh Timmers on Jul 9, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
It serves public good.
This just serves Paul Sullivan… and since people are talking about it, he wins.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I stand by the word.
The term derives from the word muckrake used by President Theodore Roosevelt in a speech in 1906, in which he agreed with many of the charges of the muckrakers but asserted that some of their methods were sensational and irresponsible.
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/society/A0834319.html
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
...and then people who were doing real public good...
when the politicians (including Teddy Roosevelt) and bureaucrats of the day weren’t… took that as a badge of honor and carried on. Stating just a member of the government’s view of it doesn’t really help convince anybody you didn’t misuse the word.
Sullivan isn’t doing anything positive for anyone other than himself. He’s just a self-serving sensationalist. When he attempts to be a journalist, it’s only of the tabloid persuasion.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
see my comment below
I believe muckraking is the appropriate word.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
Fastest recap ever?
On another note, nice W. Nice hitting and pitching. I’ll take it, controversy and all.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Jul 9, 2011 9:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
BTW, I tuned in late and didn't realize Dave Campbell was doing color
I thought he did a real nice job. It was obvious he did his Cubs homework, and he had some good, constructive things to say.
He and Len seemed to get along well. Pretty cool, since I’m sure they’ve never worked together before.
Campbell has no obvious Cubs connection, right? I guess after that disaster of a Buckner appearance in Boston, they decided to try something different.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 9, 2011 9:22 PM CDT reply actions
Anyone know who's doing tomorrow's game with Len?
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Campbell again
At least that’s what I thought I heard them say tonight.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 9, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
That'd be good.
Campbell has a lot of experience and does a good job.
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Correct...
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 9, 2011 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus it caused Len to really give some analysis of the team
I thought Len did a great job of striking a balance that properly reflects the team’s record. Didn’t rip them, but didn’t pull any punches either.
Although I’m sure that some here were disappointed that neither Len nor Soup made the QIAFI assertion.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
Agreed
I thought it was a very fair, professional telecast overall.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 9, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Always liked Campbell when he was on ESPN.
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I liked Campbell better tonight
than I did on ESPN. That’s probably ESPN’s fault.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 9, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Who was he working with then?
Len (as I think we’ve all seen) is very professional in his approach to the job. Some of the folks at ESPN over the years…haven’t been as professional.
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yes. Both good. Soup surprised me how good
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Jul 9, 2011 9:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Question.
Is everyone named “Campbell” in the public eye nicknamed “Soup”?
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I think so.
haha. The recently ex-Blackhawk comes to mind. Len called him Soup a few times so I’m going along with it!
We'll all miss you Ron.
Quade would have called him Soupy instead
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
I enjoy listening to Soup
if anything as a temp – he has a nice perspective. Fresh eyes.
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Ugh. For that you get hit with a Felix Pie.
Angel Guzman is the man.
by cubzfan on Jul 10, 2011 7:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes. In fact I think it's a law
For a few years I was in a band called Toad Soup. Started by a couple of brothers named…wait for it….Campbell. So there’s your answer.
It's not much of a cheese shop is it?
Maybe...
but that’s been his nickname for many, many years.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I used to listen to Soup on Sunday night radio a bit
I’m usually in the car for the 8th/9th innings of Sunday night baseball, and Soup is a very good broadcaster. The type of guy they could have used in the radio booth for 3-4 years if Moreland had turned the job down.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
Campbell was with the Rockies for several years...
and it made it bearable for me to watch their games in Denver. Now I can’t stand Drew Goodman who makes a game-winning single in May sound like they won the World Series. He seems like a good guy in local radio interviews, but he just rubs me the wrong way. But Soup is knowledge and class all the way…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Jul 9, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, but Campbell
reminds me of the 1984 Padres way too much. He’s a professional on the air, but his demeanor off the air led to his dismissal (or, probably more correctly — non-renewal) from the Padres in a era when changes were rare in the broadcast booth until Joan Kroc sold the team.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 10, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't hear Hollandsworth yesterday
Was he considered for the Santo spot? I seem to remember he was.
I like his studio analysis, but that doesn’t always translate to in-game color.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 9, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Hollandsworth was ok
I think his voice is a little grating over a full game.
He was pretty furious about Castro’s 8th inning error, which as a fan was good to hear.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
I thought the controversy...
was going to surround the horrendous call at 1st to end the game.
I’m not ready to read anything into the Dempster/Quade spat…yet. Just seemed to be a heat of the moment type thing.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 9, 2011 9:23 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, pitchers get hacked all the time when they think they have been pulled early
And they get over it. Quade has done some dumb things with pitchers this year. This wasn’t one of them.
Especially given Dempster’s tendency to turn into a pumpkin at precisely the wrong time.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 9, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Bingo
His spot in the order was up and the Cubs were looking at a 2-run lead (that could have not been there, but for Dome and Hill). Lost in the shuffle here is that Demp was only at 87 pitches – through 5 freaking innings. He wasn’t exactly mowing ’em down.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Well, let's bitch about the non-selection of Aramis to the ASG, then.
Rolen? They might as well have taken Blake DeWitt — his OPS is almost as high as Rolen’s.
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Well...
so much for Quade’s campaigning abilities.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 9, 2011 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
So who decides on Rolen over Aramis anyway? My guess would be Bruce Bochy,
but did Bruce give any reason to this selection?
It depends on who selected Jones.
If the players selected Jones, then MLB gets to choose. If Bochy picked Jones, then Bochy gets to choose.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Jones was a player selection.
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Looks like it...
or whoever Bud put in charge of making All-Star game selections.
For the record, I’m ok with Rami getting some time off. I don’t deem this club worthy of multiple All-Stars, anyway.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
The team has little to do with it.
If there are players with All-Star worthy performances, they should go.
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All you just said (SARCASM)
makes the all-star count!!
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
I really don't think Bochy is putting that much effort into this...
as he did the same with putting Ethier on the team replacing Victorino instead of McCutchen.
This is weird since he has a lot to gain by winning this game.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, McCutchen ended up on the team anyway.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 9, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't explain Ethier being on the final vote at all.
He should have been one of the last OF to make the team. Seems to me like almost every NL OF got some All-Star love from Bochy.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Shouldn't matter.
His numbers are better than any other NL 3B.
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True...I understand that...But Rolen has had a decent year on a good team.
It seems like ARam just remembered it was a contract year
Rolen has had a pretty bad year.
And the Reds are muddling around .500.
Like I said above, Rolen’s OPS is barely better than Blake DeWitt’s.
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His defense makes up for a lot.
Not enough to deserve the spot over Ryan Roberts, but it still matters a lot.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
TJ, come on..
I know you don’t like Ramirez that much but he’s had a MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better year than Rolen.
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The reason I am a Cub fan forever
for sure
if the cubs were in it, this would be the perfect time for him to be getting hot anyway
by NorCalCubsFan on Jul 9, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Has Aramis played like an All-Star all first half?
Or just shown up the last 3-4 weeks after the Cubs have been buried in 5th place and anywhere between 15-18 games under .500? Sure, you can’t ignore Andre Dawson’s MVP season for a last place Cubs team but usually those awards/honors go to the guy whose team is at or near the top of the standings…
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by DKT on Jul 9, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Not necessarily.
Ramirez was actually hitting for a decent BA the first two months, just with no power.
He has the highest OPS of any regular NL third baseman. He should be on the team.
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Rolen has yet to start.....
This must be a “gold watch” ASG for him. After a nice revival in 2009 and 2010, he is looking done this year.
Not a good reason to pick someone.
The way players are opting out, they’re going to have to start raiding Triple-A rosters.
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That type of selection...
makes the whole “This One Counts” concept even more of a farce.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jul 9, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Maybe they should just open the stadium and draw fans at random from the stands to play the game.
Very high entertainment value, anyway.
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Only to pitch - each fan selected gets one pitch, with fans continuing to pitch until the designated AB is finished
That holds for 2 ABs for each team. The precise ABs are unknown beforehand, and be revealed as they start like “Double Jeopardy.”
Can we please end the lie that Ramirez only plays well when the Cubs are losing?
His best seasons were 07 and 08.
And also the idiotic idea and complete lie he only does well in a contract year. Those years were AFTER he signed his last contract.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 9, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There's no way to make him look good talking about this...
none at all. It would just be best if he played his hardest all the time. We’ve seen him not do that regardless of what the calendar says. Good for him for turning it on after the Cubs are so far back it only will be positive for him.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
But its still a complete and total purposeful lie to say he only performs on contract years or when the team is out of it.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 9, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh
Play good… give full effort… argument won’t exist either way.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
When were the Cubs ever "in it"?
Basically Ramirez had about 6 weeks where the Cubs were “in it” so even if he’s good the rest of the year you’d still call him a failure.
I know Al loves your “performance art” but how many awful posts do you have to make before we can conclude you’re simply awful?
Don't you ever get tired of playing the fucking dick in every situation?
Where did I leave my No Troll script again?
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I need you to stop the namecalling and profanity.
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by Al Yellon on Jul 10, 2011 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope they have someone making the decision...
that actually wants the NL to win.The AL got Peralta and Youkilis as replacements. The NL gets Rolen? I think they should have the selection process completely in the open. This almost looks like stacking the deck.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
It's fine with me to leave Aramis off...
An AS game selection goes directly into his agent’s leverage pocket, should the Cubs try to buy him out this year and re-negotiate a 1 or 2 year deal.
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I believe....
…. the players voting was followed and that made Rolen next. When Mariano Rivera dropped out and the AL added the Angels’ Jordan Walden was added that’s how it went.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Dempster had 87 pitches through 5
Sure, he could have started the 6th, but it was no slam dunk that he’d finish it. With his spot coming up in the inning, it was a pretty easy call on Quade’s part.
Props to Shark for pitching two solid innings to get to the back end of the bullpen.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
agreed
granted I think dempster has thrown some of his best pitches when he is “emptying the tank” but with the way the pirates were hitting him in the first 5 innings I think it was the right call, if only to try to get some more offense
by NorCalCubsFan on Jul 9, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I have to admit that I was really excited for the Pirates fans
A full house two nights in a row, and 10 so far this season. Good for them, and Tom Ricketts should take note that winning brings fans to the ballpark and losing keeps them away.
I was supposed to be at this weekend’s series but a family matter came up. It would have ended up being a tough ticket.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
I was there at a very, very empty midweek afternoon Cubs-Bucs game two years ago
Sat one row in front of a diehard Pirates fan (we were the only two people in our respective rows), and had a nice conversation for him. He didn’t blame fans for not coming out. But he did think that once the team showed signs of life, the fans would come back.
It is good to see. PNC Park is fantastic, and Pittsburgh is a very, very underrated city.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 9, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I was there for the Sept. 2009 series, which the Cubs swept. They drew a decent crowd on Labor Day, another decent one the next night (it was Arnold Palmer 80th birthday night, which drew some people), but the third day, a day game, there couldn’t have been more than 3,000 people in the stands.
Good for the city and team. Those are good fans who have been waiting a long time for a good team.
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That day game was the game I was at, Al
It was so empty there I can’t believe I didn’t run into you simply by accident, since I probably got a good look at everybody in the ballpark that day.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 9, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Surprising.
I think I could have counted the crowd that day.
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I actually did run into a co-worker of mine
and his family at that game. He’s been a Pittsburgh sports fan since the Pirates/Steelers glory days of the ’70s. Neither one of us new the other was going to be in town. Small world.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 10, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
*knew* the other was going to be in town
Leave it to me to not know how to spell.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 10, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope, for baseball,
The Pirates excel – that park is very nice and its better when packed.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
I was there on Saturday.
My wife and her family are Bucs fans from Pittsburgh. We went with her brother, his wife and a cousin. I have to say that it was a lot of fun to be there both for the energy from the Pirate fans and for the fact that I was there the night we won.
The place was packed and excited. It was a great atmosphere, even for an opposing fan in Cubs gear. It’s interesting to see what it’s like at the ballpark early in the success because a vast majority of the Pirate fans there were die-hards. There are, of course, a few bandwagoniers, but not too many at this point. It makes for a great baseball environment.
"Sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes..."
One thing I noted in the game thread about the Dempster thing
I believe this exact scenario played out last year and Demp was pissed, but later he said he gained a lot of respect for Quade that night, which leads me to believe it is no big deal. Anyone else remember this? I think I saw it in a Muskat piece or maybe Bob mentioned it. Definitely remember hearing about it though.
We'll all miss you Ron.
One of the things that we're going to miss when newspapers are no longer with us
Is professional editors.
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Ortiz starts tomorrow. Two in a row?
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by #1 iowan cubs fan on Jul 9, 2011 9:37 PM CDT reply actions
Rami to the AS game??
Sure I agree. I also blame Bud for making it even matter. Nothing else to say once again. Bud decided to make the All Star game count – what an idiot.
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Nailed it...
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Not sure if this has been discussed, but does anythink think...
Samardzija could be our future closer? I know Marmol can be lights out, but I think if any contenders come looking at Carlos JH has got to make a deal. To me, he just isn’t smart and crafty enough to be a great consistent closer. Wicked stuff – yes.
Samardzija has to stop walking so many people first.
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So does Carlos
(not defending Shark)
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Samardzjia
Is looking better all the time. Right now I have more confidence in him than in Wood or Marmol.
Russell is also on a good run the last month. Take away his disastrous starts and he’s got some excellent numbers in relief.
by Clark Addison on Jul 10, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Campbell mentioned tonight how all three slider-closers are slipping
He put Marmol, Lidge, and F-Rodriguez all in the same category, and pointed out that they are all starting to slip a bit and all need to get better command of their fastballs.
Campbell has watched a LOT of baseball and seems to know what he’s talking about. This confirms for me that I’d be ok with Marmol being traded at the deadline for a team’s #1 prospect and a couple of B+ prospects.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
Prepare for another one
I watched Daniel Bard confound the O’s with some truly nasty stuff last night. If Papelbon ever retires, we’ll be hearing that guy’s name a lot more.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
We'll start hearing it next year when...
Papelbon is a FA.
Al, please
stop listening to Paul Sullivan.
Any pitcher is going to complain about being pulled that early. Quade hasn’t lost the team. Pete’s sake.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
Good win
Good win.
On a side note I had lunch at a place called Soriano’s pizza.
The food was pretty good but overpriced. Only 3 of the 8 slices were good. And the cook did a hop after he threw the dough into the air and caught it.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
And
And then the chef refused a trade to the other place down the street.
Actually the food was delicious. And no relation to ALfonso.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 9, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
A fun thread
Would be imagining businesses modeled after players.
Marmol would own a White Castle Sliders.
Soto would own a place that has a reat first year a bad second year a great third year and a so so fourth year.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 9, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I had a great idea
Fire Quade Monday. Bring Brenly down to manage and have Campbell take over for Brenly. I always liked Campbell of the national guys.
And fire Hendry too.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 9, 2011 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Our owners are still less useful than a box full of rocks.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 9, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe I am dead wrong but
next year at this time Hendry,Quade and crew might still be there . This year a total disaster and we await next year .
Wow, that's a busy Monday...
I thought it was supposed to be the All-Star BREAK?
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
I know I'm not the only one
I know I’m not the only one who is rooting for the Pirates this season. IF they had won tonight and I think Milwaukee and St Louis lost they would have been in a 1st place tie.
My sister in law’s family is from Pittsburgh and they are Pirates fans. They can’t believe what is happening.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
LMAO how bad the last out was
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
LOL - watching it again. Awful
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
He was safe and it wasn't even close,
but the Cubs could use a break or 15.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 9, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
I saw the replays, too. Clearly safe. Still, the Cubs will take it.
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I think the ump
Was desperate for a potty stop.
by Clark Addison on Jul 10, 2011 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with Soup
After the FROD and Lidge comparisons – I would not mind a Marmol deal asap
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
I think both you and he
Are underestimating how tough it is to get even a competent closer. Need I remind you of Kevin Gregg?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Stone and Bernstein
Steve Stone and Dan BErnstein were on the Score Friday afternoon hammering HEndry about ntc for Ramirez and Zambrano completely forgetting that as 10 and 5 men they’d have them now anyway.
Made me love Brenly more.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
The longer Stone is around buying his our (often self-manufactured) hype
the more he gets exposed as a one-trick hack. And that trick hasn’t really worked in years.
So glad to see that tool on the South Side.
"The cheaper the hood, the gaudier the talk" - Philip Marlowe
by ForTheLoveOfBiitner on Jul 10, 2011 3:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind if this lead to Quade's firing.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 9, 2011 10:11 PM CDT reply actions
Demp's used to getting what he wants out of Quade.
Hence why he lobbied hard for him.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Dug out camera shots...
… I wish they did away with them. They’re kind of like reality TV. However, I know they’re going nowhere and there are cool celebratory moments and funny times which I appreciate. But then with situations like this I think it’s TMI.
Dempster and most other professional baseball players are competitive by nature and this kind of stuff arises. BFD
They like to get paid millions upon millions to do very little...
It’s a minor inconvenience compared to that.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Would you be happy
without the Z vs. DLEE blowup??
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Or those shots of Brian Wilson last week...
that was awesome!
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
There are no fights in White Sox town
because the knee bone is connected to the Kenny Williams bone
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Re: Wilson
Do you agree that was him trying to make SC??
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Possibly...
not like he really needs more pub though. I don’t care either way. I loved it.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That's you... and maybe the King of France...
but it’s not most people.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 9, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
It might be debatable if Quade has lost respect from players...
but I don’t think Riggins has EVER had any respect from the players. Dempster completely ignored him in the argument.
Coaches are sometimes overrated, but Riggins just has not impressed me at all.
R.I.P. to my grandfather, Andrew Wiley
The reason I am a Cub fan forever
i could grow the same stache
i do not hide behind it tho….Riggins fault is he is…..he is…..he is…well we do not know
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
What can we really say about
Rudy Jaramillo? That hire was supposed to move mountains.
In my lifetime please!
It's been obvious all season
That letting Rothschild walk was a huge mistake.
I wonder if we’ll ever find out the real story on his departure.
Riggins has got to go. Sooner is better.
by Clark Addison on Jul 10, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
The story goes something like this:
Rothschild, a NY native, is probably preparing for the usual… the inevitable… another season as a nicely paid coach with the Cubs. Even though, he would have to coach along side a manager who has absolutely no business managing a major league team. He’s been trying to tell himself it’ll be alright, I’ll just have to manage this team on the down low. Then, on day…. the Yankees suddenly call, and he says, “Thanks for the good times Chicago, but see ya!”
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
First of all...
…when you have players lobbying for a rookie manager to get the job, that usually means they know he won’t make their life difficult.
Lastly, I have noticed several mound visits this year where the pitcher gives Quade a look like; “what do you want?”, when he is out there. Quade is a really nice guy, but he is in over his head.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
What a bunch of psychoanalytical BS
You don’t know any of that, Mr. Freud.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 10, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Could be...
…I have been wrong many times before.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Demp was probably pissed because...
he knows other teams are scouting right now, prior to the deadline and he probably wants off this train wreck of a team…not too many teams want a 5 inning starter. I’d be pissed, too.
With the 1st pick in the 2012 Baseball Amateur Draft, the Chicago Cubs select...
All Star Scott Rolen?????
The All Star Game is such a waste. I wish they would get rid of that garbage.
by Mulhollandmania on Jul 10, 2011 1:03 AM CDT reply actions
I'm fine with the ASG
but I’m not at all ok with ASG selections being part of the reason to elect or not elect someone to the hall of fame, especially since the ASG now is basically like the NFL’s Pro Bowl, where a lot the guys selected don’t even go.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 10, 2011 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions
damn
right we need a break.i have seen more cub games this year than the last 4 combined due to working 2 jobs. its been a tuff 1st half. and dempster should just shut up and hit the showers.leave your ego at the door guys.quade is trying to win games here.
amazing
to see pirates park packed like that.good for them. i always thought when the rays finally had a good team the fans would pack the trop.wrong.these bandwagon jumpers down here only fill the park for playoff games.you gotta feel for the rays players.
That's because there are no Rays fans. They're all transplants from the northeast
They’re all Yankee and BoSox and Phillies fans…
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Ryan Dempster polices the rest of the clubhouse and prevents mutiny
against a manager that is in way over his head… or so, that’s what Barry Rozner said the other day on 670 The Score. Whether it’s opinion, or partly factual based on a reporters insight, it’s humorous that Dempster has now blown up on the manager in question.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Nothing Rozner says about Quade can be taken seriously
Rozner is Ryne Sandberg’s water carrier.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 10, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
The Pirates and Dempster
First the industry thing. It didn’t take fans long to find PNC once the Pirates started winning. Those fans deserve to have a winning team for a change.
Dempster should get over this. He was lifted to have Campana pinch-hit, but he was coming up against the part of the lineup that scored 2 runs in the 4th. Contrary to what Dempster said, the relievers were fresher than he was at that point. Good move by Quade.
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