Cubs Win, Zambrano Goes, Hendry Stays?
Game recaps are getting shorter and shorter because most of what you want to hear about, I presume, are the dramas surrounding the Cubs rather than the game results of a lost season.
So let's get the score out of the way quickly. The Cubs beat the Braves 8-4 Saturday night. Starlin Castro and Darwin Barney both had four hits, and Carlos Pena hit a two-run double that gave the team a lead it did not relinquish. Randy Wells actually managed to get out of the first inning without allowing a run and pitched credibly and, at last, got his ERA under six.
James Russell had a bit of trouble putting the game away in the ninth inning, so Mike Quade had to summon Carlos Marmol for the last two outs with the bases loaded for his 27th save.
Those are just the facts. The rest of this post are my thoughts on the two biggest news items from Saturday: Carlos Zambrano being placed on the disqualified list for 30 days without pay and a report that Jim Hendry was going to be retained as general manager.
This quote from Hendry on the Zambrano issue says quite a bit about the state of this team:
"This was the most stringent penalty that our club could inflict without a release," general manager Jim Hendry said. "There's not much worse than running out on your teammates in the middle of a ballgame, unpacking your locker, announcing your retirement. I think that is a tremendous problem with the other 24 guys, and something we as an organization could not tolerate."
It's much more serious than the placement on the restricted list was last summer. I presume the MLBPA will file a grievance regarding Zambrano not being paid for 30 days; how that will be resolved, I have no idea. I can't recall another recent instance of a player being placed on the disqualified list or whether a team can withhold pay.
That's not the biggest issue. The biggest issue is, what do the Cubs do with Big Z? As I wrote yesterday, the whole thing is really sad. Sad that a player with the talent and passion that he clearly has, cannot channel that positively into his work. I think too many last chances have been given to Z and that he's likely pitched his last game for the Cubs. 30 days from now is September 12 -- only two weeks will remain in the season at that point, and I cannot imagine he'd be back. The press release issued by the Cubs says:
During this time, Major League Baseball and the Major League Baseball Players Association will discuss recent statements attributed to Zambrano regarding his baseball future.
That's the "I'm retired" statement Z reportedly made. What those discussions will involve, no one can know at this time.
In the meantime, I assume the Cubs will probably recall Casey Coleman to take Z's spot in the rotation. And here is a photo of Zambrano sitting by himself in the Atlanta airport on Saturday, tweeted out late Saturday evening.
Then, there was this tweet from USA Today's Bob Nightengale, also on Saturday:
Well. This is one of the reasons I sometimes hate Twitter. This one tweet -- granted, from someone who is credible and does have some insider knowledge -- sent everyone here a bit over the edge on Saturday. What does it really mean? No announcement has been made, we have no information other than this random tweet. And it does acknowledge the possibility that the Ricketts could change their collective minds.
Which, in my opinion, they must do. It is time to sweep out this regime and start fresh. I have defended Jim Hendry many times here, and he did help bring three division titles to the North Side. But over the last three seasons, so many poor decisions have been made and so much bad behavior has been condoned, and this regime continues to provide a clubhouse culture that does not hold anyone accountable for his actions. Carlos Pena touched on it recently, saying the team needed a "culture" change. He's right. Mike Quade made fun of that, but Quade is part of the problem as well.
This team is getting beyond dysfunctional. Jim Hendry had a good run here, but it appears to me his time is done. I've said before that people shouldn't suggest replacing Hendry unless they had someone in mind to replace him, but at this point, I'm changing my mind. (I'm entitled to that, right?) The regime is doing so poorly that it must be changed.
I wrote a couple of weeks ago that the team needed to be "blown up". Tom Ricketts, that blow-up needs to start at the top of the baseball operation. Please -- we've waited long enough; things aren't working, and keeping things the same isn't going to bring the winner that you promised us and that we all want.
It is time.
The game preview for Sunday's game will post at 11 a.m. CDT.
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Cherington is my candidate.
He must have learned something good fromTheo Epstein.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 14, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I sat next to Tom Ricketts at yesterday's UnderArmour HS AA game
He was talking to a couple of people (they seemed to be reporter types – wearing credential tags around their necks) about how our attendance was in pretty good shape, compared to, say, Tampa the last few years – and Tampa had been in the middle of pennant races.
Then they talked about how you can get free agents coming off of terrible years and save money, like they did with Carlos Pena.
Granted, I wasn’t in the conversation. But I was sitting 3 feet away.
Also, IMMEDIATELY after the game ended they brought the grounds crew out and told the Little Sluggers contingent that they would NOT be allowed to run the bases as promised due to the day’s rain. By that point, the crowd consisted almost entirely of 5 year olds and their parents. Lots of sad faces. But I guess you can’t control the weather.
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this is just me and my opinion here, but not one part of this sounds good to me.
not just specifically what he said, but what he said might actually mean…. “attendance in good shape” == I’m selling tickets (and must be making money) even with a bad team. “getting free agents coming off of terrible years” == signing older, veteran type players who hopefully will have a few good years left in the tank. “Little Sluggers cant run bases” == he hates children——just kidding on that one :)
Please tell me I’m way off base on the other two.
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 14, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was kind of wincing too.
I mean, I wasn’t literally IN the conversation, though. And I had a 5 year old sitting next to me going “Daddy? Daddy? Who’s winning?” at the time. So I can’t provide full context. But I was eavesdropping just as hard as I could. :)
As for the last bit – Tom had already left at the start of the 9th, so it’s not as if he gave the decree from on high that the field had to be taken down precisely as the last out was recorded. Still, it was just another “aw, come ON” moment from the Cubs. 50 or so 4-6 year olds running one circle around the bases is not going to tear things up in any substantial fashion.
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2 differences
Amateur spending is up.
Ricketts could still relieve Kenney of his duties.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
I realize the man's a businessman who keeps a sharp eye on the bottom line...
but I continue to fantasize about said fans in said seats standing up with their backs to the game for the full nine innings ala those soccer fans cited in an earlier post.
It sounds like what he’s saying is, “Hey, the seats are filled! No worries!”
lalalalala nothing here, folks, lalalala.
You stinks, Carlos Zambrano!
So much for the fantasy about signing a big ticket free agent
Suddenly I’m starting to think that even Carlos Pena will be out of our price range.
Thanks Bud and Jerry-you’ve gotten us a “small market owner” in a major market city.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 14, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Who wants a big ticket free agent?
Didn’t we just do that with some guy named Soriano? How’d that turn out?
Gimme a bunch of solid players with chips on their shoulders and a pitching staff that throws strikes.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 14, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Excuses.
First, St. Petersburg has never been a good baseball site. It has never attracted as many fans as the Cubs do. That’s why the owners want to move to Tampa proper. Cubs’ attendance should be comparted to Cubs’ attendance in the past.
Second, if Ricketts expets consistent succes signing cheap free agents expecting he must be delusional. To win in the playoffs you have to spend.
Third, if those kids were not to be allowed in the field due to the weather they should have been given a trinket or something in return, like a Cubs’ decal, for instance. They weren’t that many but the club has to show they take care of their fans.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 14, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
This guy Ricketts is apparently everything we've come to expect from kids who basically inherit the family business...
It’s going to be really interesting to watch when the Cubs are once again drawing 5,000 per game. The ticket prices are too high and the quality of the product too low to be sustainable.
So tired of putting up with this crappy ballclub and its poor management. Time to move on to other things.
It's 106 miles to Chicago...
You are either part if the problem,
or part of the solution. We have a lot of problems and they are not part of our solution. Time to move on. Leo, Lou and Dallas, we need a little old school baseball like these three brought to the Cubs. Get it done.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 8:16 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I agree, Al.
The level of dysfunction on this team is inexcusable, and this isn’t a first time thing. The roster is ripe for turnover, making it a good time for change at the top as well.
However, I fear we are in the midst of one
of the cubs classic smear campaigns. Where’s an official statement declaring zambrano’s intentions? This could have been handled behind the scenes with a much better outcome.
by slink on Aug 14, 2011 8:18 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
great game last night, by the way.
Tough to lose with top of the lineup production like that. Nice work from Randy as well, though it seems he has the braves number.
by slink on Aug 14, 2011 8:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If Hendry keeps his job, does that mean we're stuck with Quade?
That’s certainly not the sweeping change this organization needs, is it??
At the end of the day, we need quality, MLB talent on the field that knows how to win baseball games. That’s the bottom line…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
True.
But getting that talent, and molding it into a winning team, starts at the top. It’s not happening now, and it doesn’t look like any improvement is on the way.
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by Al Yellon on Aug 14, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It all goes back to Ricketts...
If he thinks Hendry is the right guy to mold the Cubs into a winning team, then we’re not going to see anything change. How can ANYONE look at this organization and honestly think we’re on the right track? i.e. ready to contend for the NL Central in 2012?
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Aug 14, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's quite possible that time has passed Hendry by.
He’s never really embraced advanced metrics and he hasn’t pulled off one of his heralded horse-trader moves in years (the Harden trade is the last thing that remotely qualifies). Maybe he was in the upper half of GMs in 2003-2005 — but he certainly isn’t anymore. His moves after 2008 were clueless, and his moves in the past two offseasons were minimal.
I’m choosing not to put too much stock in the Nightengale tweet. There’s still six weeks of season left, and the cries of other reporters (who are closer to the Cubs) seem to indicate that Nightengale isn’t well sourced.
I know, I know — wishful thinking.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Aug 14, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, Fukudome is gone....hopefully you have 2 wishes left
use them wisely :)
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 14, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Jim Hendry's Tenure = Lotsa Drama with Sprinkles of Winning...
I’m not a hater, but seriously…how can an owner not look at Hendry’s full body of work and NOT make a change? While Hendry’s Cubs have had some success, even those successful years have ended in epic failure, right?
I’m tired of the drama sideshows. They may not all be Hendry’s fault…but they are happening during his watch.
So, Ricketts, what has Hendry shown you in the past 10 years that suggests he can build a championship-caliber organization going forward?
Right, seems like the Ricketts Bosox comments back when
are like his winning-it-all comments. Hot air. Does he even understand how the MoneyBall/SABR GMs differ from Hendry?
I have zero patience with Ricketts’ talk. Let’s see some credible action, starting at the top.
We should start spelling it “Wricketts”. Seems like we’ve seen this approach before.
Jim Hendry is a long distance runner that started his sprint way too early
He is toast – he is drifting back in the pack and yet our owner still approves. Sigh.
In recent down years I still was excited for the next opening day. Im not right now excited for 2012.
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He’s never really embraced advanced metrics and he hasn’t pulled off one of his heralded horse-trader moves in years (the Harden trade is the last thing that remotely qualifies). Maybe he was in the upper half of GMs in 2003-2005 — but he certainly isn’t anymore. His moves after 2008 were clueless, and his moves in the past two offseasons were minimal.
You may be on to something here.
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And yes, at this point I have to believe that he and Quade are a package deal
Firing Quade would just be underlining how badly he screwed up by hiring him in teh first place. I just don’t see Hendry willing to do that.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 14, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
QIAFI in February
“My hand-clapping is in the best shape ever.
And where’s DeWitt?"
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Yep. Clap hands.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Should make for an interesting Cubs convention.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Marketing idea
2012: It’s In The Bag!
Season ticket holders recieve a special brown paper bag with authentic Cubs logo and deluxe tinted eye holes. Also included will be a secret code for access to the Cubs alternate reality game broadcast where every day is a good day and everyday is a W.
I really feel bad for the young guys. Honestly, how much more of this crap / drama can anyone take. Play freakin baseball for crying out loud.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Aug 14, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I just saw your handle and cracked up...
I remember the TV spot with Andre Dawson holding the bat on his shoulder giving the most monotone endoresement ever: “When I hit one over the fence at Wrigley Field, I hit it over a True Link Fence…”
Back to Hendry, Ricketts, etc… – these guys seem much more interested in looking at the team on paper. “Here’s the kind of production we can expect from so-and-so, if we just get someone at 1B that can give us these numbers, as long as Ramirez, Bryd and Soriano stay healthy, blah, blah, blah…” There’s a little something called INTANGIBLES that they should also look into. Zambrano flying off the handle 1-2 times every season, clubhouse makeup, building a winning culture through hiring the right manager, pitching coach, holding players accountable on the field. I said earlier that it starts with talent on the field, but it takes a little more than talent to build a consistent winner…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
The second most monotone endorsement ever.
Major League Super Star Fred McGriff for Tom Emanski’s Back-to-Back-to-Back champions is the most monotone.
“And that’s why I give this product or service my FULL endorsement.”
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Hard to find these older spots
Here is one with Harry, Skip and Andre.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YnLlCgO-Gg
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Aug 14, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
The good old days.
I agree with your entire post. The team has to get a grip on this dysfunction that continues to bubble out of the clubhouse. Baseball, stats, performance, wanting to win. Thats all I care to know about these guys.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Aug 14, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
The team does need a cultural change.
It has to stop it’s culture of embracing mediocrity. Can’t see that changing anytime soon.
I’m sure I’m not alone in never wanting to see Carlos Zambrano pitch another game for the Cubs either. Deserting your mates in their time of need is the stuff of cowards.
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
Wake me up when
we have a baseball person in the Crane Kenney" position. Whatever that role entails?
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by timh815 on Aug 14, 2011 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Not sure why anyone should suggest...
…a specific change to replace Hendry? Hendry was given an opportunity and he has had mixed results. The opportunity has been more than reasonable given it is such a results oriented business. There’s nothing personal here, but it astonishes me that the ownership might think that there is a reasonable chance that the results will significantly improve if they keep Hendry. When you consider time, resources and results I would have no problem letting him go now, before the season ends. I hope that this ownership can find a qualified replacement from a successful organization, I’d start looking for someone from Boston and Tampa if they need suggestions.
im
sure big z regrets his actions but there wont be any forgiveness coming from the cubs.and hendry and quade will both be back because ricketts think both are doing good jobs.paying 23 mill to make z go away will really hurt this team in picking up new players.what a shame. if that does happen then i hope all 29 teams take a pass on z.i still say he will end up on the sox.watch.
question....Bradley was suspended in Sept by Hendry, but was not released.
if the Silva trade did not happen, would he have been in the lineup that next spring? Personally, I dont think eating contracts is Ricketts way. Bet they put him back in the bullpen.
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 14, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
If they keep him & put him in the bullpen...
I would keep him there for the rest of his tenure as a Cub. He’s out of chances & needs to face the consequences of his actions. Even if it means he’s an overpaid & overqualified reliever.
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by brook on Aug 14, 2011 11:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with you and think that's what is going to happen, unless he's traded
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 14, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
first off Twitter is nothing more than a column's fast tidbits
but read what was written. It’s so open-ended and so arbitrary, has no mention to time, there could a bunch of events that end up make it look true or blow it right out of the water.
Just win the next game...!
Exactly.
Which is why people shouldn’t get all excited about a random tweet. MLBTR headlined their post “Cubs To Retain Jim Hendry” when no such thing had been announced. That’s why I put a question mark in my headline.
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actually it sounds like corporate-speak
it states the obvious and current situation,
Naturally [until there is an announcement inevitably sometime in the future, (indeterminate timeframe] Hendry remains [meaning now and at least till tomorrow morning] the GM barring [meaning whenever we the Ricketts family] changes our mind [which is always our prerogative].
it also sounds like a junior or string reporter who is friends with Nightengale told him of the statement from a question and by conflating an emphasis it is meant as some kind of story.
On retrospect even answering a question is no different than saying, “Hendry is our GM and we have full confidence in Hendry for the foreseeable future.”——meaning kiss of death.
By even entertaining the question possibly insinuates something else.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
I don't think it's so much the random tweet as it is the context it's placed in
There’s NEVER been the slightest indication that Ricketts has even considered firing Hendry. Everything he’s done since he took over has revolved around sitting on his hands and maintaining the status quo.
THAT’S why I’ve pretty much always fully expected Hendry to be retained.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 14, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
hopefully
casttro and barney are the beginning in believing you need to do your job and not settle.trouble is the cubs always think they are a couple of pieces away which keep them from playing the kids. my god how long have we been hearing about josh vitters.
Been a Cubs fan my whole life, but
if the Hendry rumor is true, adding to the growing impression that Ricketts is an inept owner, I am done with the Cubs (at least until they right the ship). I live in the Philly area, and have quietly watched the Phils show how it is done (when your GM have a clue). Halliday, Lee, Oswalt, Pence(!), etc., plus the home-grown talent. Meanwhile, RIcketts mutters the usual platitudes and shows no actual likelihood of fielding a winning management team or a winning lineup. Realistically, it looks like the Cubs are in for years of woe, and unfortunately,it appears that RIAFI.
Ultimately, I am a huge baseball fan. So why am I not watching the Phillies? The question gets harder to answer every day the Cubs dither, and rumors of yet more inexplicable decisions (or non-decisions) surface. Then next year, as the fans stop showing up, Ricketts can claim there’s no money to fix things. It’s looking ugly.
Anyways, Ricketts appears to be a disaster, and it could be downhill from here for quite a while. Sadly.
Ricketts is making me miss the Tribune's ownership.
You’re exactly right about that. And not only will he say that when the fans stop showing up, he’ll use it as an excuse to raise ticket prices yet again, only driving more fans away from Wrigley.
And him standing pat with Hendry, Quade, and Kenney shows me he really has no clue.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 14, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
101% agreed.
Too long has Cubs Ownership relied on the incredible loyalty of the Cub Fan (and about a bazillion tourists looking for “The Wrigley Experience”). I kinda gave Ricketts some time to get his feet wet, to see what he’d do. If this is it…, not only are his feet now wet…but he’s decided to place them in cement and stroll Navy Pier.
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We should all be watching the Phillies!
For the love of Mike Schmidt, they are 37 games over .500
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
37 games???? wow, I didn't realize that. That sounds huge...
wonder what it feels like to be a Phillies fan at this moment…..meh, they’re probably bored as hell ;)
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 14, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
How does it feel?
Ask the 2008 Cubs. That’s how it felt around this time of year.
::: sigh :::
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seems so long ago....I still cant believe it has all gone downhill so fast since the end of that season.
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Aug 14, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
actually I wish my fellow IU alum actually had a genuine chance to buy the team
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
I was gonna mention Mark Cuban
but held back.
You can say what you like about Mark C, but he would not be tolerating this kind of mediocrity (throughout the organization), and my guess is that he would be happy to expand the budget as needed to actually compete for guys like the Phillies have been grabbing left and right the last few years.
Plus, players would be easily convinced we are serious about winning it all soon. Can you imagine Hendry or Ricketts making that case?
Which is why
other owners won’t let him buy in.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
let me tell you about Mark and mediocrity
IIRC he was an IU intramural flag football referee and he was not about being part of a crew that called a poor game.
He also would change the culture by hiring some like LA Russa if he came available…and he has personal connections to have done it.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
La Russa would be a culture change, alright
But not a good one.
The man’s too in love with the smell of his own BS to be trusted with less than a payroll five times the league average.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 14, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
let me see if I can do this right....LaRussa > Quade
:)
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 14, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
not enough >>>>>>>
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Lemme put it like this
If you give Quade the big name pitcher and a lineup that includes guys like Pujols and Berkman, I bet he’s doing better than he is now.
Baker and Piniella couldn’t get it done in this town, and both of them had a fairly free spending owner and a bad GM. LaRussa has a good GM and a mediocre owner, and when he was with the Yankees, he had both a good GM and an owner that was willing to break the bank to put all-Stars at every position. Here, we have a rookie manager with a bad GM and a bad owner so far.
Yeah, of course he’s going to be worse. But LaRussa is not worth what it would take to get him.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 14, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
When was LaRussa with the Yankees again?
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Blah, never post after work should be my motto
For some reason I was thinking of that other jerk, Torre.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 14, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Why is Torre a jerk?
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
He's not and both Torre and LaRussa would have a better record than Quade this year.
And neither would have put up with having this bad of a coaching staff either.
They wouldn't have put up with the roster assembly, either
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
He managed the Mets
Is there another reason needed, really?
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 14, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
So did Dallas Green
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Hendry's real manager botch job was hiring Lou over Girardi
Lou was about the white sugar, win now rush and only held up for 2 1/2 years. Girardi could have been a Sciosa in Chicago.
The Ricketts
bought the Cubs for a couple of reasons, and one had to be for investment. Well, they are watching the stock go down fast. We are becoming a joke in MLB. Teams in small markets get a pass when this bad, we dont.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
they bought the team to copy the BOSOX experience
but unlike how the Japanese copy technology and improve the market value they are like the Chinese simply pirating some DVD or software
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Aug 14, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You thought I said Bosox?
I said Botox.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
The protest will be empty seats when they trot out another crap team
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
the only protest Ricketts will understand is the protest of empty seats
otherwise it’s all fluff to him
You stinks, Carlos Zambrano!
And that's what they'll get if Hendry is allowed to assemble the 2012 team
Because he doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Wellsy being healthy
would have added 8 wins.
Cashner 12 wins. Looper 5 more.
It’s all about the injuries.
j/k
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
The sad thing is, some people believe all that
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Swing by and pick me up in North Carolina
I would be all in for a organized protest.
Thats cool
Ricketts will probably have the vendors out making him a quick buck
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
My suggestion
Is for Tom Ricketts to watch the Showtime series The Franchise: A Season With the San Francisco Giants. It will provide insight into how a professional baseball organization operates. In just the first episode they are forced to handle injuries, poor play and tough decisions about minor league prospects.
Ricketts is dilusional if he thinks the group in charge is the correct group to turn this mess around.
Jim's job security should have been evident to anyone who realized...
…that Hendry and at least some of the Ricketts family were acquainted going back to Jim’s days at Creighton, long before the Cubs were on the market.
It’s possible, or even likely, that the family would not have placed a bid without knowing that Hendry would remain indefinitely as GM. Also, with its ongoing minority interest, the Trib likely has a nice comfort level with Trib-hires Jim and Kenney remaining in place.
To that shrinking group of fans who actually care about the team’s performance and still wonder when the Ricketts will perform due diligence on their billion-dollar investment, it now should be clear that the family did their homework three years ago, and the bottom line is: Jim’s the man. Also, barring a 12-game losing streak before the end of this year, this means we will indeed get to witness QE2 (Quadetative Easing, pt.II).
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
You have made way too much of this Creighton thing.
I doubt that has anything to do with it.
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If Kenney is still around in April,
ernaga get 3 joeby points.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Kenney?
Kenney didn’t go to Creighton.
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I see no justification for keeping Kenney
While JH may be the best way to get Fielder, I don’t see where Kenney adds anything to future success. Replacing JH and MQ with Hahn and a retread, but keeping Kenney=Here we go again.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
The best way to get Fielder is $$$$$.
I doubt Fielder will care about which GM is doing the negotiating.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
I believe ernaga....this is not about the team being the Ricketts Family's top priority.
The WS is just an added bonus if it happens….its all about investments, losses, tax deductions, what’s on the books and what isn’t. Ask an accountant about the Ricketts and he’ll probably tell you they had to buy into something for tax purposes cause they were making so much money in Ameri-Trade and whatever.
My friends rich family had to do it (on a smaller scale) and it didn’t matter if they made money or not on their investment. In fact if they lost money the first few years, all the better….OH YEAH, guess what the first thing they did when they bought their investment——-fix the bathrooms!!! :)
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 14, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
For as much as we were sold the line of b.s. that Ricketts “gets it”, in truth he strikes me as nothing more than a casual fan who likes to sit in the sun and drink beer and occasionally pay attention to a few minutes of the game. Nothing he’s done since taking over has shown that he has much interest in the Cubs beyond 1) maximizing his profits and 2) getting his face on camera regularly.
This is a very sad time to be a Cub fan and I don’t see it getting better for a long, long time.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 14, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
This exactly how I feel about them....
Be ready for crap next year…..
I nobody goes to the convention.
It would REALLY be interesting if the convention didn't sell out
Of course, it might be worth going just to watch Tommy squirm under fan scrutiny…that is assuming he’d be crazy and clueless enough to show up.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 14, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
The spin machine will be running so hard it will be hard to hear people talk....
Many of the people showing up will be the sheep that do not ask tougher questions….
I will pay a portion of Jessica's airfare to the convention
if it means someone putting the screws to Ricketts.
In fact let’s start an official BCB “Let’s Unleash Jessica On Ricketts At The Cubs Convention” fund! Who else is with me?
In this observer's opinion, Z's actions are directly correlated to the state of this team
He’s on a bad team, playing for a bad manager who he doesn’t have an ounce of respect for. Add those things up, and a man-child will act like a child….
I also think that’s part of his declining performance. Some people in this world, who don’t have enough pride in what they do, will not perform a job well for a boss [Quade] that they, and everyone else around them [other players], don’t respect.
If he was on a better team, playing for one of the game’s best managers, in a winning organization… I don’t think he’d act this way. In fact, I think he’d enjoy one of his finest seasons in a while if he were say… on the Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox or a TLR managed Cardinals team.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Add the Reds and Dusty to that list. Z did well under Baker. With the right team, Zambrano's best years are still ahead.
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you forgot the sarcasm font
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 14, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
You may be right...
…and Hendry is responsible for the entire culture of the baseball organization and that culture is massively broken.
If Ricketts holds on to him, I’m going to need a sabitical from this team.
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I created a poll on the topic of retaining Jim Hendry.
It’s on the right sidebar. Please vote.
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wow the media PR police might not approve of this direct assault on management's decisions
I have another one:
season ticket holders are you going to buy?
individual ticket holders are you going to buy?
baseball patrons are you going to buy concessions?
MLB subscribers are you going to buy?
go to the revenue
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
At last look Hendry has 14% of the vote saying he should stay?
1 person voted for him, my guess it is a professional social network lurker for the club
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
I put it up to something else
To wit, what’s known as the Crazification Factor. (Google if you must, I’m not providing the link, since politics is a no-no.)
Knowing that 27% of Americans are head cases, I would not be surprised that there are votes to retain Hendry.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 14, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, since Senor Gato can't vote
Other than tharr, NBF and Drew, who will vote to keep him?
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
CraneKenneyFan?
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
But “Not only NO, but H*LL NO” isn’t a choice.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 14, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
And before anyone questions my sanity...
I created a poll on the topic of retaining Jim Hendry
Of course, the question on the front page isn’t “Should the Cubs retain Jim Hendry?”.
- – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – -
For the question “Should the Cubs replace Jim Hendry as General Manager?”
“Ohhhhhh, H*LL YES!!!!!” isn’t a choice.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 14, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
it is one thing for a team to have a bad season
it is another for a franchise to be in a situation this one finds itself in to be committed to the same failing players and management and, while anything can happen, what looks to be a franchise in year 2 of what will likely be a 3-4 year period at the bottom of the division.
What a fan base looks for is a management that learns from its mistakes. If Hendry is in fact retained he is going to have to pull off a minor miracle given current contracts and personnel to put a playoff caliber team on the field in 2012. If he does so I’ll be highly impressed but at this point dubious he can pull it off.
Dear Cubs players,
For the good of the fans, and for the good of your own future as players in 2012, please lose out the rest of the way. If you continue to win series like you’ve been doing in the month of August, you may once again have to play next year with Mike Quade as your manager.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Starlin Castro. Ignore this missive.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Dear 2011 7-game win streak
Oh how I hate you so much now if this rumor is actually true. I know you had something to do with Ricketts descision to “retain” Hendry as the GM. You fooled the entire organization even though it was just the reeling Pirates and defeated Reds.
Hendry and Quade are both under contract through next year
Ricketts will not part with either of them because the finances don’t permit it, especially since they’re going to have to eat a lot of Zambrano’s contract.
Sunk costs. How I hate them.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 14, 2011 10:09 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think this is a lot closer to the truth than a lot of people want to admit
by bluekoolaide on Aug 14, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Ideally, fans want an owner who's flush
Ricketts ain’t. His dad is. Something I think a lot of people forget is that the RIcketts are not an amorphous mass that dispenses cash to each other as needed.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 14, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Good point
And his dad, as has been well documented, has no interest in baseball or the Cubs at all…beyond making money.
I have a feeling that daddy cut off the money spiggot once the transaction went through and now Tom has basically nothing to spend…which is why he’d be likely to pinch pennies on GM salaries, etc.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 14, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Penny wise and pound foolish
Retaining Hendry and Quade for one more year = setting the franchise back two or three yearss
I agree.
I’ve long suspected the reason they hired Quade over Sandberg was that he was cheaper. I haven’t seen anything from Ricketts to indicate he’s willing to spend even a dime more than he has to. I agree that he’ll let these contracts run their course out of sheer frugality.
totally agree....this is how I have come to see the way Ricketts thinks, I can only hope it will be good for us in the loooong run
also, I would bet 1000 BCB points that he does not eat Z’s contract
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 14, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know about the Z thing
I think he’ll get rid of him as fast as he can. But I bet he’ll fight tooth and nail against the inevitable greivance from the union to save that $3M on Z this year, and if he wins I bet that money won’t get applied anyplace visible.
I would imagine that the contract for Sandberg wouldn't have been much different
But Brenly, Valentine, etc… yes…
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Quade is the lowest paid manager in baseball
There’s no way Sandberg would have been ok with that title.
But, a rookie manager is still a rookie manager.
He’s not going to command $3.5 mil. It would’ve been similar to Quade anyway, and I don’t think that had any impact on the decision… especially when Hendry was talking to Eric Wedge, a veteran who would’ve been paid more.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
we're talking Good Ole Boys here....Quade had it in the bag, cheap and a friend of Hendry's,
the no-compete-clause——Quade is Hendry’s yes-man. end of story. (IMHO)
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 14, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Getting ready to walk over to Turner Field in a few minutes.
Nice win last night. The Cubs seemed to be at ease and focused. Colvin’s timing and stroke looked very good, with the exception of one down-and-in pitch from the Braves LHP. Re: the Zambrano Follies – the Cubs should put him on the Disqualified (Dysfunctional?) List with no pay, one month at a time for the next 24 months or whatever it is. Tell the Players Union to go pound sand. Go Cubs, let’s win the series today!
I enjoy this website because it's so interesting to see folks pole vaulting over mouse turds.
Have fun....I was reading the Braves game thread last night and they couldn't understand why so many Cubs fans were there...
….ummm, to see their team play baseball, duh!
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 14, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Think about that for a minute...
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
what? tell me, I'm confused, and I'm not offended if I'm corrected on my grammar, facts, etc. :)
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 14, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, it's a crappy team.
So I kinda wonder, too!
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
ah gotcha....you know I laughed at that, then I wondered what the hell was so funny :(
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 14, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Your instincts serve you well, young coolio
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks much.
I was slightly worried last night that the team would (again) embarrass the snot out of all the Cubs fans there, but it was great. Especially watching both Castro and Barney get 4 hits.
I enjoy this website because it's so interesting to see folks pole vaulting over mouse turds.
by BAMACOLONEL on Aug 14, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Zambrano
I predict the Cubs and Zambranos people and the union meet somewhere in the middle and work out a settlement of his contract. Everyone saves a little face in that situation.
Do we have anyone but a clubhouse attendant to verify Zambrano said he was retiring?
And we don’t have any reliable sources that say Quade and/or Hendry are coming back next year. In fact the most reliable sources in town say its unlikely.
And Quade and Hendry probably make at most 2 million combined guaranteed next year. I really doubt this wil factor in the decision.
And as far as Ricketts goes do I have to remind people he’s owned the team 2 years!?!?!?!?
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:13 AM CDT reply actions
The Cubs are a laughing stock......
All of the front office and coaches need to go….
How long do you give him to make changes? 5 years?
He is as bad as the Wrigleys…..
Weak owner…we will be worse next year.
Again it’s been 2 years. It’s not been 5 years.
5 years is an interesting time you bring up. That’s actually when I think we’ll really have a good gauge of his ownership. When all those contracts are gone and he’s had time to rebuild the minor league system.
And we have no evidence that Hendry or Quade will be retained next year. I agree they both need to go but will reserve judgement until we find out whether they go or not. People are just guessing at this point.
Does anyone really think the final decision has been made or a 7 game winning streak will factor in?
And while I want Hendry gone people say he can’t rebuild a team. The team he took over in 2002 lost 95 games.
My dog has had as many true rumors about the Cubs as Bob Nightengale. He was one of the big pushers of the trade rumors involving Brian Roberts Jake Peavy. He kept insisting it would happen. Last time I checked Jake Peavy is on a Chicago team but the White Sox and isn’t Roberts still in Baltimore?
Rome wasn’t built in a day.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with most of what you are saying.....
But there is no reason to sit on hands and just waste years…..
I believe if he does not get rid of the manager and GM, his stock with REAL Cub fans will go down the toilet for good.
Hendry
I think you can make a solid argument to keep Hendry after 09.
A. The team had just finished up it’s 3rd over 500 season in a row which included 2 different division champions,
B. The Ricketts took over in November. Right when free agency and trades start filling up.
Less of an argument after 2010 but still it wasn’t like he was keeping a GM who had presided over 8 straight losing seasons.
Even Mrs. Hendry can’t make an argument to keep him now.
Ironically I was just by the Jim Hendry Way sign in Park Ridge.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Which players are cheap?
Did the Cubs sign Scottie Pippen?
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
You said PLAYERS were cheap
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't disagree with the basic premise, but not hiring a president was a huge mistake
And that’s not hindsight.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
What you talkin about?
Ricketts knows people fill up the park everyday… no matter what!!!!!!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
bad decisions = doesn't care
Can we also get rid of this idea that because someone made a bad decision it means he doesn’t care which seems to be a common thread of the Ricketts bashing.
The same thing as if a player is playing badly it means he doesn’t care. That’s just as goofy.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:14 AM CDT reply actions
This is one of the better comments you've posted
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks.
It drives me goofy when people say that not doing well means you don’t care. That’s goofy.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
IF he did
If he only cared about that and I’m sure he does care about it he would have hired Sandberg last October.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Again it just means he made a stupid decision doesn’t mean he doesn’t care.
TJ I hope you realize I’m not arguing with you that what he did was wrong I’m arguing about whether it means he doesn’t care.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
The way to get those is to have a good product
I think he wants that, but he’s trusting the wrong person.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
EXACTLY!
That’s what I am trying to say. Thanks Shanghai!
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Indeed it is
I think Ricketts cares. I’m not sure there is a plan in place, though.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
If he card so much, why would he bring back the same people who have screwed things up in the 1st place.
TJ
TJ have I missed some news where it’s been announced Hendry and/or Quade are returning?
Most people in baseball thought Quade was a better choice than Sandberg.
Again not making the right decision doesn’t mean he doesn’t care. Maybe he felt it was right doesn’t mean he doesn’t care.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Than I will be mad
Then I will be mad. But I also am convinced a lot of the anti Quade stuff would be less if anyone else but Sandberg had been the other choice.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
If Sandberg had
If Sandberg had done half the crazy things Quade has done this year, you’d see nearly everyone on BCB calling for him to be fired.
Trust me.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 14, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Honestly I don’t think so VCB.
While it’s a different sport people in Chicago still wish Mike Singletary was coaching the Bears instead of Lovie Smith. Most of these people are also Cubs fans.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think so.
I don’t think so. Eventually, the crazy decisions catch up with the coach in question, regardless if it’s Singletary, Sandberg, or someone else.
So we have to think there won’t be as much bashing of Sandberg because there’s no proof there would be more hating than there is now?? That’s just crazy.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 14, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Nonsense
The anti-Quade stuff is due to the fact that 1) he’s shown himself to be a terrible “in game” manager 2) he’s clearly intimidated by veterans and lets them run roughshod to the detriment of the team and 3) he routinely makes idiotic statement to the media that only serves to underline how in over his head he is.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 14, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
And we all believe Sandberg would be better or most do. What evidence do we have to support that?
I base this again on a grand total of 1 thread in almost a year asking whether anyone else but Sandberg would be better,
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Could he be worse....
Quade is the worst manager I have seen in my lifetime…
And I have seen some horrid managing…
Name one worse in the last 35 years.
Actually I put Essian behind him and maybe Kim.
And you appear to be around my age by saying 35 years. Don’t you remember PReston Gomez? Amalfitano? Excuse me while I go crawl into the fetal position and sob.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I used to call him Essian and Kimm but couldnt anymore as Quade was worse.
Essian and Kim were interim managers that proved to be not ready despite much minor league coaching experience. The GM’s that ran those teams were at least smart enough to not bring them back.
Gomez was fired during his first year. Even Wrigley didnt put up with it.
Amalfitano was also canned during the season.
I think Hendry wanted to reward his buddy with a little time at the end of last year, and when they won some games, he got excited and hired his friend. If Ricketts lets this go on, to me it shows he is ignorant of baseball.
Josh made a case
for Maury Wills
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the thing about the "doesn't care" thing is...
if Ricketts has his priorities in the wrong place or we have players who don’t play well or give 100% to the team, then I feel that there is a chance they don’t care about winning --being the #1 desire of everybody here.
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 14, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
The only things I think Ricketts cares about are...
…his image and the bottom line.
He’d better be careful though-if this keeps up, Vince Vaughn won’t want to sit next to him at Blackhawks games anymore.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 14, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Anything to keep the evil Mark Cuban from pollting our little club.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 14, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
We know this how?
Actually in Dallas people made fun of him not his team.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I’d rather have Reinsdorf own the Cubs. Look at his track record in baseball. One world series championship and the Sox have a consistently competitive team on the field.
Reinsdorf has proven himself as an owner in 2 sports. Cuban one.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Except that Reinsdorf wasn't an option and Cuban was
But there’s no question that Reinsdorf gets results (and knows what he’s doing) and would have it all over Ricketts.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 14, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Who are "most of these baseball people" who thought Quade was the choice?
I mean, i get that some people are going to defend the Cubs at all costs…even when ALL evidence is to the contrary….it’s kind of amusing actually. Like very subtle performance art.
Very few thought that Quade was the answer....
I knew he was the wrong answer by the handling of Hill and Castillo last fall….
Said it at the time….But they one in spite of some questionable managing and Hendry hired his buddy and screwed over Sandberg.
That is what happened.
There was no baseball argument for Sandberg over Quade.
I wanted Brenly over all of them. There actually was a baseball argument for Brenly over both men.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
and Brenly pulled out early because he figured out Hendry was just going to hire his buddy and it was not worth the effort.
Actually I think he didn’t want to hitch his wagon to Hendry’s star knowing the team would go nowhere fast.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes. It took two guys who wanted it with their hearts more than their minds -
Quady and Sandberg – to contend at managing the 2011 Cubs. Brenly was smart enough to see that as long as Hendry is there no long-range plan will be in place. The plan will be to keep Jim Hendry employed for another year or two and that runs against a three or five year strategy.
I wish Ricketts had as much forsight as Brenly does....
If a World Series winning manager does not want to contend for a manging job with your team becasue the GM sucks….what does that say?
by TJ11 on Aug 14, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
People outside Chicago saw Quade as the more experienced person who had more managing at the minor league success as well as actual coaching experience in the big leagues.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Who are these people?
Give me examples please of the groundswell of support that Quade had.
But, yeah, Brenly (or even, God help me, Eric Wedge) would have been a better choice. In fact, right now I can’t think of anybody I’d want more to take this over than Brenly.
by bluekoolaide on Aug 14, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
On radio and some papers I remember reading it. But think about it though,
Sandberg had 4 years minor league managing experience. Nothing at the big league level. Being a HOF player does not mean much when it comes to managing. In fact most of the great managers were not great or even good players.
I would not die dead of shock of Brenly is managing the Cubs next year or soon. I want his twin to coach the Bears although I’m not a Lovie Smith basher.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Brenly should have been hired at the All Star break....
But I do not think he wants anything to do with the Hendry circus….
I want Brenly to be forever one of two places. Broadcasting or managing the Cubs.
I’ve been pushing for him for years. I wanted him or Girardi in 2007.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd much rather have Brenly broadcasting, TBH.
He’s really doing well as a color commentator since he got the job broadcasting Cubs games.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 14, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I honestly think he’s the best color guy I’ve ever seen with the Cubs and nationally. Miles better than Steve Stone.
In fact in the fun “if you can take someone off the Cubs and put him on the Sox and vice versa argument” a lot of Sox fans said no players but please hire Brenly !
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
He's definitely up there.
Another color guy I like is Jerry Remy for the Red Sox. He’s from Massachusetts, played for the Red Sox, and now broadcasts their games, so, to many fans, he’s one of them in the booth.
Besides, he does some really funny things in the booth while trying to pass the time.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 14, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I like the fact that over time Brenly gotten comfortable telling the truth about this team.
When the Cubs are doing stupid things like loafing, making bad plays, and the horrid managing decisions, he says it…
He is getting close to 2004 Stone territory so he better watch it….
The fans love him for his honsesty, but the Cubs will not put up with having their stupid team questioned from the booth.
We'll never get back to 2004 Stone territory
Because what Stone said about the team was completely commonplace, and the team’s reaction was ridiculous and unprecedented. The front office’s decision to side with the team was…. telling.
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 14, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I love when he manages the team better from the booth
Than the manager in the dugout.
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by SackMan on Aug 14, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
at first, I thought you'd written
oh, never mind
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 14, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Sandberg
I actually think its the people that wish Sandberg was manager now who hate him.
Why would you wish this on him?
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 14, 2011 10:44 AM CDT reply actions
Seriously,
Do you have to say this about Sandberg in every thread where his name is brought up???
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 14, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
According to her,
We have to think Sandberg would be worse because there’s no proof he would be better.
Her words, not mine.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 14, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I've been a pretty big Hendry defender over the years
…but I agree he has to go.
I think he’s a good (not great) GM, but he clearly is an awful manager of people. How many of these indidents have happened under his watch? Players “running themselves” unceremoniously out of town like this? Sosa, Bradley, and now Zambrano have all made dramatic exits from town under Hendry’s watch and at a certain point you have to see it as a trend. That’s not even counting situations like Sandberg (which has some parallels), Silva, and some other smaller issues that indicate that employee management is a joke over there.
Ricketts will let the contract play out for no reason other than that he’s more concerned about spending than anything else. Likely the same with Quade. No one wants to discuss the possibility but I wouldn’t be surprised if he gradually eases the payroll down another $5-10M this year, rather than going out and spending big likely everyone expects. All he’s shown so far is that he cares an awful lot about the bottom line.
I don't necessarily think they're pocketing money
…but they certainly don’t seem to be pouring their fortune into the team a la Steinbrenner either. If I had to guess, they’re trying to get the team to post enough of a profit annually to cover the loan payments, essentially making the Cubs investment pay for itself, and nothing more.
Their dad's fortune isn't their fortune, mostly.
He is not giving them money to play with.
I wish more people understood that their dad makes Halas look like Steinbrenner when it comes to money management.
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by NobodySpecial on Aug 14, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Or worse, my fear is that Hendry is the perfect guy
(in Ricketts’ eyes) to keep a declining franchise vaguely-respectable without spending too much money.
If Ricketts tried to hire a good GM, they’ll ask “are you going to let me build this team into a contender?”, a question Ricketts does not want to answer. So, Hendry stays as ‘interim’ GM, with Ricketts (optimistically) thinking he can maintain the fan base with moderate improvement.
Welcome to the club, Al.
I don’t react to Twitter feeds so I refuse to believe it. Although if Ricketts is as clueless as he is portrayed…
The Cubs actually won a game yeaterday, are on a decent roll, and of course the big story is Z and the GM and by connection, the manager coming back...
Sadly this is how bad this team is…
Wish the owner had backbone and a clue.
This is what Cub fandom has been reduced to….
Hope you are happy Mr. Ricketts!!! Lets get those profits up!!!!!
Trying to recall an old song...
The title and artist… IIRC, the lyrics involved: ♫♪"we’re on the road to nowhere…"♪♫ Can anyone help with this?
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Thank You TJ11
(epic fail of your sarcasm radar however.) :]
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 14, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank you V C F
I guess my sarcasm was misplaced… LOL
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Any chance we can get this to
Cubs marketing Dept? ::mumbles something about “2012 It’s in The Bag” and truth in advertising…::
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In the video the lead singer is running in a corner in a little box....Can you get Ricketts to do this?
Oh...I see
I thought Tommie was doing this already…
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FYI- Talk in NW Daily Herald is Sox
should aquire Z (stickin us w/ Dunn/Rios). Seems Buerle “can’t” be retained with both those players there…
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If you were the Sox, wouldn't you do that deal?
I’d even go so far as to say they’d probably cut Z the next day. $36M owed to Dunn and $37M owed to Rios. $73M for $18M? I’d do it in a heartbeat if I were the Sox.
by jerry morales rules on Aug 14, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Zambrano and the GM
Much has been written here.
The Cubs don’t seem to recognize behavior problems. Rather, they accept and in some cases even coddle the player. A change in that culture could ideally result in the team cohesion, that they claim is so important, by recognizing and acting upfront. For example, the Cubs could have tried to trade Zambrano at the 7/31 deadline in 07’ for good talent. Or, because they were a contender or as an offshoot of the Barrett incident, they could have kept him through the 07’ season and just let him go as a free agent. If Z would have had a problem with this, then tough.
The point is that it doesn’t get easier and it was the key time to avoid the expense of Zambrano’s contract. It seems like it would have been a very unpopular decision involving a talented young player, but the Cubs could have influenced the fan opinion by not accepting the behavior and at least have made fan opinion more dispersed than it was. As it is, it comes off now like they can’t accept the lesser performance of a veteran because he’s highly paid. Rather, they should assume that performance will be less consistent or diminish to some extent over the period of any longer contract. Not all of these “buy high” contracts are deemed bad contracts and the players can still be good useful players who could be better than the majority of up-and-coming players.
The players’ union is expected to fight the no-pay aspect of Zambrano’s dismissal. The amount at-stake seems like $2.5 – 3 million. See how this comes off. If the Cubs released him now and he cleared waivers, then another team could sign him for league minimum and he could be on a postseason roster. Because it is a repeat thing, the Cubs probably think they should win the argument with the union. I don’t think they will and they shouldn’t if they plan to release him after the 30 days. If they keep him or get him to agree to a trade, then I guess I’m it’s ok but I still don’t personally like this baloney.
Behavior Problems
I’m not sure that the Cubs don’t recognize them. I think they do, but, in regards to Bradley and Z, I think they think that if they were to give these players financial security, the emotional issues would work themselves out.
As for trading Z, in retrospect it would have been the right thing to do. but hindsight is 20/20. At the time, it would have been selling low, not knowing how much lower it was going to get. When the deal was signed, Z was 26 years old and already had 78 wins. There was discussion as to whether Z could, with some good luck, become a 300 game winner. There was debate as to whether Z or Sabathia were going to be the better pitcher over the next decade.
While I believe the Cubs knew of Z’s limitations, it was also obvious that he was extremely effective. From 2003 thru 2006, he started at least 31 games, had an ERA under 3.50 each year, and threw at least 209 innings. All of that was at 25 and younger. That is rare.
This is an interesting article from when Z signed his deal. Looking at it from this perspective, there is a lot alluded in there that turned out to be true.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2978642
by jerry morales rules on Aug 14, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Responding
I think you agree that the Cubs could have recognized Zambrano’s disruptive behavior for what it was before signing him to the 5-year contract. The Barrett incident and other less controversial instances had already occurred. I suppose there is room to think that they could have tried more to change him had they viewed his actions as something that couldn’t just continue. Late teens and early twenties is a youngster. The last thing that you want to do is think money is going to change this and then worry about the money when things don’t work; hang this on the franchise.
Major league baseball generates mucho revenue. The capitalist in me says the players good enough to be in the majors should get a major chunk of that revenue. It is still disjointed, down-right wrong, to think that Zambrano needed that contract from the Cubs for financial security. For pete sake, he made $12.4 million in 07’ at age 26 and made several million before that.
by AboutTheCubs on Aug 14, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Certainly, one can live the rest of their life off of a few million
but there is a difference between the security at $10M and $100M. (Don’t forget that a lot of that money still goes to taxes, agents, union dues, other things.)
The Cubs could have recognized his behavioral issues in late ‘07 before the deal, but I feel they probably thought it was manageable. After all, up until that point, it was, at least in regards to production. That, plus as you said, he was still in his mid-20’s.
For sure, it worked out poorly. They should have traded him, but around the league there would have been a ton of interest in him.
by jerry morales rules on Aug 14, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Somebody else would have signed him
If you assume his take home was 50-60% and money managed to some extent, then he and his family could have survived and had enough to pursue whatever money can buy to thrive. There comes a point where “security” is a pretentious word to use. I think the agents get 4%.
by AboutTheCubs on Aug 14, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
This is pretty funny. I think Eths will get an extra chuckle
What is German for Doofus?
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 14, 2011 12:18 PM CDT reply actions
Success starts at the top
Ricketts is not a baseball man. He’s not an entrepreneur. He’s not even a savvy businessman. Successful business owners want to win at all costs — and think about it 24/7. Ricketts Sr was the businessman. He started a company, made lots of money — and bought the team as a present for his under-performing kids. Not sure how to get past an owner who doesn’t have fire in his belly.
Well Al,
as far as the BCB’ers on here who believed that Hendry wasn’t going anywhere…..are you ready to join us now? The angry Cubs fans that refuse to go to another Cubs game…
Al, if I were you….I’d sell all 81 of your tickets next year…..
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It's a twitter report with no real backing and an easy out...
That doesn’t mean that Hendry won’t be retained, but this hardly shows that he will be. This is as solid as Cubs getting PV or Roberts…. just sayin.
Wow...
a whole hell of a lot of people talking just to see their names on the marquee…
seriously you leap from:
Hendry is going to be retained – unless he is not
to
HENDRY IS THE GM FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE…
jesus fucking christ, I have wondered when I saw the posters that said that BCB is a shell of what it used to be meant, I now see it - everyone (and I mean everyone) is freaking out because we are having a bad couple of seasons? Who the hell didnt see this coming in 07-08 -
comments were made that the Cubs have fallen behind because they didnt get the players the Phillies did because Ricketts is cheap – guess what, our payroll would be well beyond $200 million and no team outside of the Yankees can afford that. But I guess logic and fucking common sense wouldnt let you think past a TJ-ism of “Ricketts is Cheap” “Hendry Sucks” “Ricketts Approves” Nope, just bash the organization, just say that Ricketts is dumb for not wanting to spend an extra $40-60 million so that we can be in 2nd in the NL Central…god he is dumb.
by hansman1982 on Aug 14, 2011 9:21 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
god, I hope you're right hansman...
I am one of those who see ownership as not wanting to spend money or eat bad contracts or hiring cheap managers and that freaks me out. But what freaks me out more is not knowing the direction the Cubs are going in. I can only see the same thing happening. I realize I am no baseball genius, that is part of my problem. I hope I haven’t been part of a change in BCB that is annoying people.
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 14, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions

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