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Chicago Cubs vs. Houston Astros Preview, Tuesday 8/16, 7:05 CT: Historically Bad

What is Rodrigo Lopez of the Chicago Cubs saying to catcher Geovany Soto during the sixth inning of the game against the Houston Astros at Minute Maid Park in Houston, Texas? (Photo by Eric Christian Smith/Getty Images)

No, not the Cubs. It appears that the Cubs will be just garden-variety bad, about what they were a year ago or slightly worse.

The Astros have a chance to be historically bad. In addition to currently playing at a pace that would leave them with a 50-112 finish -- only one team, the 2003 Tigers, has won that few since 1965 -- they also have a chance for another statistical oddity, according to Jacob Peterson, who writes for SB Nation's Beyond the Boxscore and also has his own site, Junk Stats, a site devoted to the little statistical quirks about baseball.

Today, via his Twitter feed, Peterson noted that the Astros are about to join a select group of bad teams -- those that have scored more runs in their losses than in their wins. He tweeted:

Here are the teams to do it in the last 50 years: '61 Phillies, '62 and '65 Mets, '73 Rangers, '79 Blue Jays, '98 Marlins, '03 Tigers.

That's a pretty select group of bad teams; they lost 107, 120, 110, 105, 109, 108 and 119 games, respectively. The 1961 Phillies, in fact, lost 107 games in a 154-game season, the last the NL played under that format; at one point they lost a MLB-record 23 straight games and their percentage would have translated to 113 defeats in a 162-game season.

The 2011 Astros, he noted, have been unlucky as well as bad -- they're currently playing seven games below their Pythagorean projection for victories based on runs scored and allowed (they should be 45-77 based on that, which would still put them on pace for a 103-loss season.

Lesson? None, really; just that you are observing an historically bad season, and it's not the Cubs.

Cubs lineup:

Castro SS, Barney 2B, Ramirez 3B, Peña 1B, Byrd CF, Soriano LF, Colvin RF, Hill C, Dempster P

Astros lineup:

Bourgeois cf, Altuve 2b, Martinez lf, Lee 1b, Paredes 3b, Shuck rf, Barmes ss, Quintero c, Myers p

Star-divide

Today's Starting Pitchers
Ryan Dempster
Ryan Dempster
Cubs
vs. Brett Myers
Brett Myers
Astros
10-8 W-L 3-12
4.70 ERA 4.71
140 SO 118
53 BB 46
16 HR 27
vs. Hou -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2011 - Ryan Dempster 10-8 26 25 0 0 0 0 147.1 152 80 77 16 53 140 4.70 1.39


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2011 - Brett Myers 3-12 25 25 2 0 0 0 160.2 176 91 84 27 46 118 4.71 1.38

Ryan Dempster faced the Astros on April 11 in Houston; until yesterday, that was the only game the Cubs had won in Houston this year. Dempster threw fairly well that day, although, as happened a few times early this year (and last year, too), he was left in a bit too long and gave up two home runs in the seventh inning. One was to Bill Hall, who isn't on the Astros any more, and the other was to Angel Sanchez -- his first MLB home run. Enough of that, already. Since June 8 Dempster has a 3.07 ERA and just three HR allowed in 73.1 innings.

Brett Myers has not lost to the Cubs since he returned to being a starter in 2008. That encompasses eight starts, in which he is 7-0 with a no-decision and a 1.72 ERA in 57.2 innings. He's walked just seven and struck out 55 in those eight games. Current Cubs are hitting just .210 (43-for-205) against him. So clearly, we are even more doomed than usual. Myers has just three wins this year -- two over the Cubs. One possible crack in the armor: the Cubs have been hitting a lot of home runs lately. Myers has given up 27 homers this year.

Today's game is on WGN and FSN Houston. Here is the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today.

MLB.com Gameday

Baseball-reference.com game preview

SB Nation game preview

Please visit our SB Nation Astros site Crawfish Boxes.

Today's first pitch thread will be up at 7:05 p.m. CDT and the overflow threads will post at 8 pm, 9 pm and 9:45 pm CDT. If you need more overflows due to extra innings or rain delays, post them in the fanshot section.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Go Cubs!

Let’s win our 5th straight series!

"No enemy is more dangerous, than the enemy that has nothing to lose." Mark Grace

by GateCity, VA Cubs Fan on Aug 16, 2011 5:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Al, this isn't on the front-page.

Also, a nit-pick: the Cubs won on April 13 in Houston as well.

So they won their first series this year in Houston.

Minor League Contributing Writer, Athletics Nation.

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If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 16, 2011 5:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Sweet!!

Thanks, Sue!! A Mid-West girl come through again!

by daily2b on Aug 16, 2011 6:04 PM CDT reply actions  

You're welcome! :)

Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!

by sue369 on Aug 16, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see Colvin is starting again.

I wonder if Quade was told to play him. Please pitch well right from the start Demp.

Strange this didn’t post on the front page.

Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!

by sue369 on Aug 16, 2011 6:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I was just about to say this about Colvin

Despite the fact that he’s clearly not “earning” his playing time right now (.600 OPS the last week, .538 OPS the last two weeks) this is his 4th straight start.

Of course, they ARE all against RHP, so there’s still the question of whether Quade will give him any starts against LHP. But it does bring to mind the question as to whether Hendry has forced Quade’s hand on Colvin.

If so, that’s a positive mark for Hendry. While I don’t think Colvin is going to make it, it at least makes sense to see whether he can be an option for next year.

by SouthernCub on Aug 16, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stats mean nothing to me

as I am a casual fan of the Cubs and I pay no attention to stats. My deal with wanting him to play is we were told he would be played to see what part he may or may not have with this team in the future. I would like to see him have bats against a LHP just to see how he does.

Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!

by sue369 on Aug 16, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

[The Cubs are] about what they were a year ago or slightly worse.

This seems to make sense, seeing that they have essentially the same team as a year ago.

by Danwood on Aug 16, 2011 6:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Whew...was worried with nothing on the front page...

thought maybe Al was claimed off waivers or somethin’!

Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.

by Easy Ed on Aug 16, 2011 6:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah...I figured...

…he’ll probably stay, cuz of that monster contract he has.
I heard he's making Rick Reilly money.

Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.

by Easy Ed on Aug 16, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, but the post was DFA'd to the right sidebar.

Minor League Contributing Writer, Athletics Nation.

State high point count: 4/50

If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 16, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

doesnt matter

he still has a NTC

I'm a sad panda.

by jesus christos on Aug 16, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, everyone.

I guess I unchecked the “front page” box by accident. Was out for dinner. Moving it now.

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by Al Yellon on Aug 16, 2011 7:04 PM CDT reply actions  

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