Goal for rest of 2011
This is has been one of the worst years to be a cub fan in a long long time. It's a lost season, with no joy. Besides the record, it's the proverbial slam of the window of contending (or being .500). Ricketts better make it clear to Hendry/Quade that there are things to accomplish still in 2011.
* Can Colvin work with Rudy and get back to his 2010 self, or is he lost?
* Tryout one of the up and coming catchers. I don't know much about Clavenger, but from most accounts that guy plays good defense and his offensive stats are outstanding for a catcher. Would he or Castillio be good enough to try and shop Soto? (Plus I don't have to look at Koyie Hill).
* I know this is crazy...........but work Soriano at first. Look, he's going to be here and he's expensive. Isn't first the natural progression for old guys who hit 25 homers a year? He played 2b for years, so how hard would it really be? His speed is down, give him the mitt for a week and see what happens. Besides that, get Lahair up here. Guy is 28, but hitting the crap at of the ball. Waiver deal Pena, don't want him here for next year.
* Get Brett Jackson up here in September. Let him get the feel for MLB pitching.
* Get Carpenter up here against MLB pitching...why waste innings on Ramon Ortiz or even John Grabow
* Get Lamahieu and flaherty up here...both aren't tearing the cover off the ball in AAA, but get them up here and some at bats to get the feel. Waiver deal Ramirez, rumors say he will go in August, once his family is back home. Probably could get something for him. For anyone that says keep him...please review the tape from April and May from this year and last.
* After the last game of the season send Kenney, Hendry, and Quade, packing.
* Ricketts has to have realized, he is presiding over the quickest dismantling of a fan base in a long long time.
Usually, I wouldn't advocate "reach" moves, but how much worse could the cubs be? It would at least be fun to watch a young team, plus it would accomplish something!
I would advocate bringing up a starter to test...........but there are none! What other goals need to be accomplished in 2011?
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work Soriano at first.
No. Just no. The two things a good 1B needs are good hands and good footwork. Soriano has neither. He was a bad second baseman. He’s a mediocre left fielder. He would be a disaster at first base.
Want Starlin Castro to make 75 errors next year? Put Soriano at 1B.
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Oh, and LaHair?
Micah Hofffpauir v2.0. No thank you.
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Why Not?
My point is about first base is, it needs to be filled with a player that is either awesome or cheap…not expensive and bad. The cubs need a #1 starter to even get to .500 next year. I bet LaHair would at least bat .250 and hit 25 homers. Which is 9 million + cheaper than pena.
There's almost no chance LaHair would do that.
People said that about Micah Hoffpauir, too. How’d that work out?
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Imagine if Jake Fox only had a chance...
25 HRs would’ve been easy for him!!
You're too focused on the batting average.
Pena has value far beyond that simple statistic.
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Exactly.. can he put up a .350+ OBP?
I’d bet he can’t!
I can only imagine a bunt up the first baseline
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Oh, thanks for that.
Now I have to go bleach my brain.
by MN exile on Aug 2, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So what about Clevenger?
I see everybody is smacking down the poster about the Soriano at first idea. But what about some of the other suggestions? Al, I see you noting almost every day that this kid Clevenger has one or two or three knocks. Yet he toils in anonymity. Let’s talk amongst ourselves about who Clevenger is and what he might add.
Clevenger ought to get a shot in September, definitely.
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Valuable Time
Al- While, you may be correct, what do the Cubs have to lose? I believe Pena is overrated on D anyway, and a .216 in the middle of your lineup is disgusting. How many RBI get missed because of Pena? I think the Cubs have to be smart with Soriano. What would it hurt to try? Why can’t the cubs be like other teams and press their players to succeed? Do you think every cub wants to be a cub because of the relaxed atmosphere and comfort zone?
Plus, I really don’t see the joy if the cubs “go .500 the rest of the season”. If anything, that disgusts me. My whole post was…let’s not waste 2 months of baseball by just playing out the string.
My last point is, people have to relax about Castro at SS. He’s improved a lot. Ya, he makes errors, but he also gets to balls no one else does!
Pena is NOT "overrated" on defense.
He’s one of the better glove men in the league. If you put Soriano at 1B every day, every one of our infielders would make at least 40 errors next season. Cubs defense would be a joke, and the staff would lead the league in unearned runs.
If you’re OK with that, then sure, put him at 1B. I say no.
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Also
Looking at Pena’s BA takes in only a small fraction of his value. He draws lots of walks. That has value. His RBI count isn’t great… but that’s because the rest of the team doesn’t take walks.
I’m not advocating, necessarily, to keep Pena. But Soriano would be a serious downgrade.
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Middle of the order
I just said a 1-2 week tryout…that’s my point of the post. Let’s try some things out and not waste 2 months of “playing out the string”. My eye test tells me Pena has average range, doesn’t pick up grounders like a gold glover…but yes is tall and stretches nicely. I’ll never understand the Pena love. He had about a 2-3 week offensive surge and has been absolutely disgusting on both sides of that stretch.
Cubs need payroll to fix that rotation, because there is no help in the minors that is ready for next year…they can’t waste $10 Million cause the guy reads a lot of books.
Seriously.
Soriano would be a disaster. A “tryout”? You do that in spring training, IF you do it.
I wouldn’t. I repeat: the two most important things you need as a 1B are good hands and good footwork. SOriano has neither.
Pena is a plus glove at 1B. Why you can’t see this, I’m not sure.
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Better Than Spring
This is better than spring………..I’m focused on average and salary. Cubs are on a budget, and a .216 hitter who strikes out a ton, shouldn’t take $10 Million off the books. We will agree to disagree, Pena is a professional, but I just don’t see his place on a winning team with that kind of salary.
Right.
And the salary is about half of what the Cubs might have to pay Prince Fielder. Or what they already pay Soriano.
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get your eyes checked
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 4, 2011 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Sell my remaining games for 50 cents on the dollar?
That is my goal
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
Good luck
My buddy is struggling brutally and he lives on Kenmore and works from home. So its not like anything is in his way selling them.
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Um I live 750 miles away
The internet works wonders. There is stubhub which is evil but useful and season ticket holders can transfer tickets via email to anyone they choose.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 2, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Careful. I suggested the Soriano at first scenario last year and a lot of people, Al included, went nuts.
He obviously can’t play the outfield for three more years and no other team wants him. Outfielders who slowed down used to move to first all the time. It’s not a pretty scenario but at least it’s a realistic scenario given his eroded speed and completely absent outfield skill set.
Cubs aren’t contending next year anyway. Oops, I see this didn’t get up there fast enough. Al has already chimed in. I knew the Castro throws all over the field so we need a gold glover at first argument would come up. What is needed also are coaches that can help Castro with his hands and footwork.
And I will take that 50 cents on the dollar for my tix the rest of the season.
I'd rather release Soriano outright than see him at first base the next three years.
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Yeah, his bat hasn't warranted a corner outfield spot, much less 1st base.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 2, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely
if he can’t play left, he should be released. Soriano at 1b is a bad idea.
One of the things that the Cubs desperately need to do is to improve defensively. I think they could live with a bad LFer, but not a bad 1bman.
by jerry morales rules on Aug 2, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd love to see him released too but I doubt that will happen. So if you can sign a first baseman
that’s good offensively, keep Sori in left. If you don’t, be prepared to hold your nose and move him to first. He’s with the team and with his salary stands to be with it for three more seasons. Talking tough like, “If he can’t play left, cut him,” is fun to type, it just doesn’t reflect reality.
Soriano at 1b is a horrible idea
It’s simply not even a possibility, but releasing him is. It’s not “talking tough” as you write, but it’s an acknowledgement as to what’s the best for the future of the team. I don’t “want” the Cubs to release him. It would be a sad ending to the story. I hope the Cubs can work out a deal with an AL team where they’d take a few million of the contract, maybe $5M a year. I can possibly live with Soriano in left field, but, no, not 1b.
The Cubs are in a precarious position. They can’t continue to field bad teams until Soriano’s contract is up. They have to make the best baseball decisions from here on out.
by jerry morales rules on Aug 3, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
it's not even that good
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 3, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Designated Hitter.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 3, 2011 5:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone figured he'd play CF forever.
Remember, that was before the injuries. And when he turned out to be bad in CF, they got him out of there pretty quick.
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Anyone else just a little worried that Castro has not improved in any phase of his game this season?
His defense stinks and he seems to have a not so high baseball IQ. In almost the same number of ABs as last year his average and power are flat and his OBP has dropped. I don’t now if this organization knows what to do with a guy with his talent. They just don’t come along much. I’m afraid the default mode is to squander it.
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As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 2, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I hope the Cubs consider
putting someone with Starlin this offseason to work on his footwork.
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I'd go for the patience at the plate thing first.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 2, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
That too -
but the footwork can be worked on every day.
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
it does not have to be an either or thing
if he cannot handle working on both, he must be incredibly stupid and or lazy.
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 3, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Goal for the rest of 2011
Lose as much as possible.
Also, give Cashner at least 10 innings.
Come on Lisa, I'm trying to impress people here. You don't win friends with salad. ~ Homer J. Simpson
I think you'll get at least one of those to come true.
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I think we get it, the Mariners win 2 of almost every 5 with King Felix and Pineda.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 2, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
After Aug 10th
Ron Santo Day is the last thing to look forward to unless We decide to take revenge on Holliday.
Rudy
Curious but there does not seem to be much talk about Jaramillo’s job with this club…any reason?
I don’t believe for one minute that Soriano will be starting in left field every day the last year or two of his contract. He’s fading quickly. I expect him to eventually get released. I don’t expect it to happen next year, but I won’t be surprised if it happens in 2013 (regardless of his salary). I’m just hoping enough young players pan out in the near future so they can afford the opportunity to release him sooner than later.
by A Home Run in a Telephone Booth on Aug 2, 2011 6:19 PM CDT reply actions
Goals
- - Just win. Assuming the Cubs win today and get to 45-65, even if they go .500 the rest of the way, they’ll end up at 71-91 and should be locked in for a Top 10 pick. This team has the resources and inclination to sign guys who fall due to signability concerns, so I don’t think it’d be a huge loss if the Cubs were picking at 7 instead of 3.
I want to enjoy watching the Cubs the rest of the way. I’m not expecting miracles, but if they go .500 the rest of the way, get a handful of winning streaks under their belts, and make life miserable for contenders, it’d be so much better than watching the bottom drop out. 71-91 would still be enough to have changes happen in the front office and management, to boot.
- - Work the waiver wires. I don’t think this team will be able to unload Soriano, but if teams are willing to claim Pena and offer a good return for him, I’d be fine seeing him traded. Deadline day was a disappointment, but there’s still time to make trades and clear space for 2012. Heck, maybe the Cubs can unload Soriano or get decent deals for guys like DeWitt, Baker, or Johnson.
- - Sign as many of the big name draftees as possible, maybe make another splash in the international market while they’re at it. I know Selig’s holding things up, but I’ll feel a whole heck of a lot better about this team going forward if guys like Maples and Dunston get signed.
- - Get Colvin out there as much as possible. Determine if he should be in the Cubs’ plans for 2012 as a starter or bench guy.
- - Kick Koyie Hill to the curb and call up Castillo for spot duty. Let Soto continue playing, but use Castillo frequently in September to help Geo rest his knees and back. Determine if Castillo is a viable backup plan going forward.
Did not expect the board software to do that
Just assume that list is from 1-5.
by Outshined_One on Aug 2, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs first round pick will probably suck anyway.
I kid (not really), but I think 7 to 3 is a big gap.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 2, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Considering the Nationals got Rendon at 6
I really don’t think the gap is as big as people think. Top-flight talent falls every year because of signability concerns. The Cubs apparently are showing a willingness to spend this year and hopefully will continue to do so down the road. If that’s the case, the Cubs can conceivably still get a Top 3 draftee at 7.
by Outshined_One on Aug 2, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Win a few games but not enough to save the triumvirates jobs
and screw up a top ten draft pick. Sign the rest of our top ten picks. Give some of the kids (even LaHair) a look see in September.
LaHair isn't a "kid".
He’ll be 29 in November.
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Then give him a cup of coffee
It’s not like he’s standing in anyone’s way to the ML roster.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 3, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
What's the point?
He’s Micah Hoffpauir part deux.
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Because your team isn't going anywhere and you have no natural replacement at first
What, exactly, is the big harm from having him come up and play in 10-15 games at the end of the year?
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 3, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
It could be the difference whether or not Pena is a type B or not.
Assuming he’s not traded in August.
Because he's not part of the team's future, either.
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Then, assuming you move Pena, do you put Colvin at first?
What’s your solution for the end of this year?
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 3, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess Colvin could play 1B...
… the days he’s not in the outfield. Or Baker. We’re not talking about a longterm solution here.
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If you're playing Colvin at a postion you don't want him for long term
Then you’re wasting him, because ideally he’s an everyday outfielder, especially now that Fukudome is gone.
If you’re playing Baker as an everyday 1B when you don’t want him there long-term and he has other roles to fill, then you’re limiting your roster and filling Baker’s utility slot with someone even worse.
It sounds to me like you’re letting what happened with Hoffpauir unduly influence you in regards to this lost season.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 3, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't do that.
Only saying what the team might do.
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I know you are not high on LaHair but
if he was 22 and put up the kind of numbers he would be the #1 prospect in baseball. He is 28 and since he has put up these numbers doesn’t that at least warrant a chance to see if it translates. If he had 75% of the production in the majors it translates to roughly 34 HR, and take his .250 BA from his one chance and maybe you catch lightening in a bottle. You can’t say it has never happened.
Yes, but he's not 22.
He’s 28, nearly 29, and if he were any good, some MLB team would have given him a shot by now. The six/seven year difference matters.
75%? You’d be lucky to get 30%.
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There's no standard dropoff.
There’s a formula called “MLE” — major league equivalencies — used to try to estimate what MLB stats would be for players based on their minor league stats. It is (or should be) adjusted for level, and ballpark.
I am not sure where to find how this is calculated; if anyone has this, post it.
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LaHairs MLEs this year are good - but again,this doesn't take into account career trends, age, actual ability, etc.
.270/.336/.502 with 21 doubles and 22 HRs, 36 BBs and 89 Ks
I know you are not high on LaHair but if he was 22 and put up the kind of numbers he would be the #1 prospect in baseball.
and if i had wheels i’d be a wagon
I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
by jesus christos on Aug 3, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
you miss the point on Colvin
where he plays is less important than getting regular at bats. Whether he gets the ABs playing the OF or 1B, is immaterial, just get him the ABs and find out if he is worth keeping around next season.
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 4, 2011 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions
You never know: He might be the new Al Heist.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
Wow.
Heist’s 1961 season looks very much like Hoffpauir’s 2009.
And that’s pretty much what you’d let from LaHair.
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Goals for the rest of this year
Castro:
- Continue learning when to eat the ball on tough grounders
- Continue improving his throwing mechanics on easy grounders
- See more pitches per at bat
Barney:
- Improve plate discipline in the #8 spot and take more walks
Colvin:
- 25 PA/week
- More balls hit to LF/LCF – get the ball in play, let BABIP do the rest
Campana:
- A start against each opponent’s #5 starter (who should be near replacement level and not that much of a jump from AAA)
Russell and Carpenter:
- Alternate which one pitches the 7th every game. Pitch the full inning regardless of LH/RH matchups.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Aug 3, 2011 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I like these.
Of course, that means we need to get Carpenter back on the team.
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It's the smart thing to do...
So the Cubs… in all likelihood… won’t do it.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Aug 4, 2011 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I think i've heard this idea thrown around before...
-Try Soto at 1st base for a week or 2 and bring up Castillo or Clevenger
1.We can extend Soto’s playing career.
2.We will have more money to spend on Free agent pitching.
3.Soto will cost less than Pena for about the same value. Save about 6-7 million next year.
Soto has shown good footwork and instincts blocking balls i think it would translate well at 1st base.
by Mitchener on Aug 4, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My goals
if I’m being honest is for the team to lose whatever number of games is necessary to make the owner make drastic changes and not tweaks to management and personnel.
DEJESUS!!!
My goal for the rest of 2011
is to invent a flying carpet that reaches Pluto
"It's all in the game, yo"
I reached my goal!
I learned how to keep score this year. Well…for the most part. I’m still finding some unusual plays tricky to record. It has been making the games much more fun for me.
Fasten those seat belts...
2011????????????
win as many games as you can.with the reds and pirates faltering theres always the chance to move up if you can win games.you know quade will be managing for wins.he knows if he does’nt have a good season next year he’s gone.


























