Wilken will NOT leave with Hendry
As many of us suspected, the "Wilken will leave if we fire Hendry" meme was a lot of hot air and baseless speculation.
Does Wilken still want to see it through and watch his draft picks grow up and form the core of a contender?
"Hell yeah," Wilken said. "Without a doubt. That was my goal when I came here. Jim hired me, but I work for the Chicago Cubs."
That settles that. It will, of course, be up to the new GM. But (edit) Ricketts will recommend that they keep Wilken on, and he's hoping to stay.
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I think Maddux will have that same attitude
At least, I hope so
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It's not Hendry recommending Wilken.
It’s Tom Ricketts. Let’s hope the new GM takes this recommendation. Wilken has done an excellent job.
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"Solid" job
I’m not sure anyone can claim that he has done and “excellent” job.
Nit picking.
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I wholeheartedly disagree
But I’m not going to get into a debate about semantics.
Of course you do.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
Isn't it an established fact here
That Ricketts knows nothing about baseball and should not be listened to in regards to baseball operations?
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
I think he is too
I’m in neither the pro- nor anti-Ricketts camp, but on this one I believe Wilkens would be a good piece to keep around.
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Listen or not
He’s the owner of the team. They have to listen to what he says or they find another team to go work for.
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The concern was always that the new GM would relieve Wilken of his duties...
not that he’d quit when Hendry was fired. So this isn’t exactly news to anybody.
No the concern was he would leave with Hendry
I never believed , but that was how it was usually stated here.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 24, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Your right...
…and I always thought that was total BS, that Wilken and Fleita would take off because of Hendry.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
If so, that's dumb
I thought the concern was always: if Hendry’s fired, the next guy would replace the staff. Which is still a threat.
by SouthernCub on Aug 24, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Is there a recent example....
… of a team that hired a new GM who then went and replaced every one of the underlings?
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Doubt it
But why should that stop baseless speculation that rivals “the moon landings were all fake”?
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by RiskyBusiness on Aug 24, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Every one of the underlings? No. But some? Almost certainly.
The new GM doesn’t have to replace ALL of the subordinates. He just has to replace the specific one. There is definitely the chance that the new GM will want his own scouting director. That’s all I meant when I said it “is still a threat.”
The concern by some was most definitely that Wilken would show misplaced loyalty and LEAVE
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by Nunyabidness on Aug 24, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
And I think that's dumb
I can’t imagine a guy quitting such a limited-commodity job over loyalty to Hendry. I think someone who has been in the business as long as Wilken has understands that this is a business, and that Hendry was treated pretty well to have had as long a run as he had with such mediocre results.
Well, I thought it was dumb too
In fact I got in a pretty lengthy discussion on here the day Hendry was fired or the day before (I can’t remember which)
That guy was CERTAIN that Wilken would leave the day Hendry was let go. I kept asking him to back up that claim and he kept coming back at me with what amounted to “because I think so.”
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by Nunyabidness on Aug 24, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe a SenorGato alias.
It was the Hendry apologists who raised that dumb argument.
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by rlpete on Aug 24, 2011 5:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Nah, not obnoxious enough and the victim card wasn't played
Also no Elephant feces
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by Nunyabidness on Aug 25, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Should it really be a concern
If people are hell bent on hiring an Andy Friedman type GM, don’t you want him to bring in his own guys. Guys that share his long and short term visions. If you are going to hire this big name, you don’t want him to be handcuff right out of the gate.
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by TheRiot Police on Aug 24, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
'Ricketts will strongly recommend'
is different from ‘Ricketts will require’
If Friedman, Cherington, or someone else is TR’s choice, but he insists on bringing in 5 or 6 new guys, so be it.
I doubt it will happen that way, but if a guy with cred brings in a guy with cred to replace a guy whose cred relies on being compared to people before without any cred, so be it.
My thought is, who is responsible for creating the thought-process that drawing walks and taking pitches that aren’t strikes are good ideas. I don’t think it’t all on Wilken. It’s not all on Flieta. But someone has to train patience, even if Josh has to stay up twenty-five minutes later to finish off Boise results.
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No way!
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by Josh Timmers on Aug 24, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
well friedman and wilken worked together
in the past, so i dont think it would be an issue here.
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 24, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
In fact, it might be a reason Wilken would stay.
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I think Wilken is staying because he'll get used to 10 million + draft budgets VERY easily
It’s hard to walk away from an owner that not only says he’s committed to what you do but backs it up financially.
No, there was a sizeable contingent claiming that Wilken would quit immediately if Hendry were fired.
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That was the whisper campaign. I bought into it.
I’m glad I was wrong.
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Yeah, like D98 said...
there were many, many people here who thought Wilken would automatically quit.
Castro only hits doubles.
I think the bigger concern
was that the new GM would want someone in that position he (or she in the case of Ng) would be more comfortable with.
I’m sure that Wilken will run the 2012 draft, but we’ll see what happens after that. If it’s Andrew Friedman, he worked with Wilken before he came to the Cubs.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 24, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's hope...
…the new GM is more concered with “winning” as opposed to “comfortable”.
We had comfortable for the last 10 years, time for a change.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Comfortable
means “someone who agrees with my philosophy on winning ballplayers” not “who I go drinking with.”
by Josh Timmers on Aug 24, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
To some yes...
…but to others, it means someone who will be “my buddy” and someone who will agree with me.
As the old saying goes; If everyone is thinking the same, there isn’t much thinking going on.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Well, if everybody thinks the same and the team is successful,
then I guess it’s OK.
I’m glad to read this, too. I had heard (and repeated) the Wilken-will-leave meme, but I’m happy to see I was mistaken.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 24, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
A few things
First, the idea that Wilken and others would lave if Hendry were fired is predicated on Hendry actually getting another GM position. He might eventually, but with the long line of young prospective GMs getting a lot of publicity, the odds aren’t in Hendry’s favor. Rumors abound that Hendry will likely end up working for one of a handful of teams as a special assistant to a GM. Point being while Wilken may have been rumored to leave if Hendry were to leave, its not like Hendry is going to be given the opportunity to run another organization any time soon and while Wilken likely will land somewhere if he were to leave the Cubs, the idea that Wilken, Fleita, Maddux, et all will “follow Hendry” just isn’t realistic.
As for Wilken and others, it certainly seems as though he has done a good job recently and he has a great track record. That being said, if you’re bringing in soneone like Friedman, Hahn, Cashman or Epstein, you need to give them the opportunity to shape the organization. Its been said for quite some time now that one of the problems with the organization is that it lacks a real cohesive vision, mentality and way of doing things. I honestly question whether, if Andrew Friedman is reeled in, whether Tim Wilken fits into the vision. Its beyond letting a new GM bring in “his guys”, its that new GM putting together the organization, from development to drafting to acquisition based on a philosophy and having people head up those areas that have the same vision, using the same metrics.
Nothing behind this, but
Wilken may well stay, but Flieta may end up re-assigned.
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IMO...
…Flieta may need to go to change the philosophy on how the young guys are developed on the farm. Let Wilkin draft and have a better guy oversee development.
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Someone
somewhere is discouraging long counts when we’re hitting.
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Here's the story ...
of a coach named Rudy …
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
who had
zilch to do with our teams in A Ball
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Oh, no question.
I didn’t mean to say it’s ALL on Rudy.
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Hitting coaches...
…the most “overrated” commodity in all of professional sports.
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What is it exactly that Bullpen coaches do?
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by Nunyabidness on Aug 24, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Not much...
…but at least no one talks about them lke they make much of a difference. So, they aren’t overrated because no one even mentions them.
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wake David Patton up
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Is David Patton still in baseball?
god what a ridiculous GM we had.
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by Nunyabidness on Aug 24, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone else think it's odd
that Wilken compared Hendry getting fired to a Neil Young song about the death of a heroin addict?
I did...and I read it over and over to try to see the comparison....I don't get it. Or......
maybe he’s referring to “the damage done” :)
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 24, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't seen Wilken
do anything that makes me think it’s essential he be retained. If he is, fine, but I’m not going to wring my hands about a guy who hasn’t brought in a single difference making player through the draft.
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