Really disappointing report on Ricketts/Hendry/Quade
"With the Cubs struggling again, Hendry is seen throughout the game as embattled at the moment. But two factors lead one person who has dealings with Cubs owner Tom Ricketts to believe that Hendry will be retained: 1) Ricketts is anything but an impetuous fellow, and 2) he likes Hendry. Others connected to the Cubs agree that the rapport is strong between the owner and GM, whose tenure has been marked by some high highs -- like the first back-to-back postseason appearances in Cubs history in 100 years -- and lately, low lows, which is actually much better than most of his predecessors in the history of the star-crossed organization. And if Hendry is retained, the assumption is that Quade, a baseball lifer rewarded with a two-year deal after guiding a stunning turnaround last year, will make it to 2012, as well."
There's quite a bit more, including some new details on the Cubs' work to deal Z and Soriano to the Yankees. Also, Heyman thinks Baker is a catcher, apparently.
But overall, I feel ill. I have been holding out hope that Ricketts has more sense than to bring back Jimbo and Quade after this debacle of a season. No offense to my fellow BCB regular, but nothing would be worse in my eyes than TJ's predictions to actually come true.
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Oh hell no.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
Well, won't they be surprised when they draw 1.8 million next year
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
Then I'll be surprised
Pleasantly, but surprised nonetheless
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
No. That would just be a win.
Because he’s a Cubs fan. Here’s what you don’t get because you’re too busy attacking people while simultaneously proclaiming yourself the victim of universal hatred AND not caring that you’re almost universally despised. Those of us who think Jim Hendry and Mike Quade should be fired don’t ACTUALLY enjoy the team losing. It’s why we want them fired.
Should the team have proved you wrong this season (since you’ve claimed on more than one occasion that you KNEW they were going to be bad) would you be upset that they were winning? I know I wouldn’t have been.
If the team is actually contenders next year, almost everyone here will be happy with that.
I think you might be a little sad, because then you couldn’t come into NEARLY as many threads and shit all over them, whining about how someone on a CUBS message board posted a NEW story about the CUBS.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Aug 3, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 36 recs
I'm gonna assume this is the next post calling out SenorGato that will turn a shade of green.
So I’ll get this party started!
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
Holy shit!!
Did you stay at La Quinta? Because you NAILED IT! He nailed it!!
by Damen Jackson on Aug 3, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
And to SG, if this doesn't give you pause, nothing will
Because Damen doesn’t make statements like this lightly.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh shit then I better back up.
It is a win-win for you…You assume the worst case and fit right in, and if they pull off winning then you can just go to the “well good my team is winning” route.
Whatever, little boy.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol you've really taken that....
“I knew the Cubs would be bad” thing and run with it, haven’t you? EVERYONE was calling this club a barely .500 club who maybe could hope for that or a couple of games over it. I didn’t exactly make a reach, especially once the whole back end of the rotation fell apart during Week 1.
Way to ignore the main point of the post.
by Dcr18 on Aug 3, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Hey look another memeber of the gang!
They were awaiting your arrival!
Quick, transform this thread into the steaming pile of trash it was destined to be! You’ve got work to do!
You just can't help yourself, can you?
Not only did I reply in a non-confrontational way, I sort of defended you elsewhere in this thread.
I’ve tried being civil, I’ve tried pointing things out to you, I’ve tried ignoring you and sadly, I’ve resorted to acting like you.
What the hell is your problem?
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
::crickets::
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I said 7 words....
You interpreted them to be confrontational. To me it makes perfect sense….If they lose next year then omg how right were you you totally called 1.8 million at the park…if not then yaaaaay I’m a Cubs fan anyway so happy days…Aka win-win.
Not everyone thinks like you.
I know you love wandering into threads and pointing out how you were right about things and patting yourself on the back, and loathe admitting you were wrong about much of anything, and instead move the goalposts. The vast majority of people on this site are not like that. The vast majority cares about winning much more than they care about being right.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
by shoemile on Aug 3, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 11 recs
First rec!
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 3, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
This is what I meant by plural Nunya.
Though I just remembered I said that….that would be my cue. It was fun while the civil discussion lasted guys. I’m sorry it fell right back into the shitter because I can’t be read as non-confrontational by the people who’s butt I’ve hurt here.
Yep that's me...
Loathing admitting to being wrong. That’s the big huge difference between us…You always admit to it, readily. In fact, everyone does except me. You are all my betters.
QUICK SOMEONE GREEN THIS I ADMITTED YOU’RE MY BETTERS!@!!111
Well, I assumed you loathed admitting you were wrong since you continue to just make shit up to back up your arguments.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
by shoemile on Aug 3, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
You do realize how few times...
I’ve caught the…for lack of a better word “other side” blatantly make shit up and NO ONE calls them for it?
OH OH there’s my victim card.
F this garbage…I’m done with this thread. Right back to where we started. The 30 seconds of sensibility was nice for a change, but expecting it to last was a joke….Yuch.
It was nice.
Then you made some unwarranted assumptions about posters and it went back in the crapper. I think we’re all disappointed, to be honest.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
by shoemile on Aug 3, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
...You do realize you're the one who is turning this thread into a crapfest?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 3, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
He does it in every thread.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
by sue369 on Aug 3, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
You're right.
Maybe I should have said “every thread” instead of “this thread”.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 3, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
and with nearly zero substance
When it almost appears there is a cognative thought, he follows it up with an insult. Truly the case of not the vicitm but one of a very low self-esteem; perhaps other short comings too.
Just win the next game...!
If you were done with this thread
on Aug 3rd at 18:10 CDT, why in the hell are you still here polluting the site?
Just win the next game...!
Well
for all the ones who think TJ11 is a “whackjob”, perhaps you should observe a little more closely. When you get past the sarcasm, his perceptions seem to be right where they should be.
I just hope the above scenario doesn’t happen, since the 2011 Chicago Cubs are just not a good baseball team, unfortunately. I don’t know if I can handle another year of this level of futility.
"I lof to hit de home ron!"
by Tekboy on Aug 3, 2011 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't think TJ is a whackjob, for the record.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Aug 3, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Most people do not consider TJ a whackjob
But some people do question the manner in which he conveys his thoughts.
I think TJ is a wackjob...
But that’s why I like him.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 4, 2011 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah the daily Hendry/Quade should be fired thread.
I’ll be avoiding it at all costs if I can, but I’ll put the over/under on hateful posts at 200. Should be another fun one for you guys. It’s a topic that rarely gets touched here, so I’m sure many will appreciate the chance to vent.
My above post is not "hateful".
My 11 year old grandson can see that this team is not as good as the other ones he watches in the SE United States. They are just sad.
Blow it up!
"I lof to hit de home ron!"
Um, there was news here, and I felt like people would be interesting.
But, please — avoid it at all costs. Sounds like a good way to go.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Aug 3, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
*interested
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
It's the same news we hear everyday.
Maybe Ricketts fires Hendry…wait maybe he doesn’t….maybe he keeps both him and Quade….should they be fired? I heard he likes Hendry, is he stupid or something? Do we have the right ownership?
It’s a daily topic, and anyone who’s read this board once knows the very obvious direction this thread was and is heading.
I think the link EG posted offers more insight than the standard "Can whoever" story.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
by shoemile on Aug 3, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Agreed
I’m going to defend SG in a way here — he seems to feel Hendry deserves another shot, so the theme probably is getting old.
However – yeah, this one is different. There is some added insight that gives credence to what some of us are really dreading might happen.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks.
I do think this is a significant advance in the story.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
No problem
I’ve agreed with a majority of what I’ve red from you (NFL allegiance being an exception…).
I wish I could be as measured in my responses. Something to work on.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
NFL allegiance?
I don’t remember talking about that. I’m not a big NFL guy anymore …
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Oh, I think I'm confusing you with shoemile
It’s easy to do . . . I agree with both of you often and you’re both reasonable.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Not that this isn't true with others
But we seem to have a lot of the same thoughts regarding the Cubs
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey Shoe!
Somebody thinks we’re reasonable! We fooled Shanghai!
:)
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Which one of you is getting the scotch from me for telling Hendry he doesn't know what he's doing at the 2012 convention?
I think it was el
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
That does sound like something I'd say ...
but I don’t remember saying it. Hmmm.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I think it was earlier this week
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Starting to look like rail drinks at Kitty's....
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
This is getting expensive
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Bastid!
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't this news always around?
I think most of us knew that Ricketts and Hendry have worked with each other very closely since Ricketts has been here. I even think I knew that Ricketts liked Hendry quite a bit. I also think most of us knew that the Cubs were willing to kick alot of money in to get rid of Soriano and Zambrano, and that this year’s team fell apart quickly when injuries hit the rotation the first week of the season.
Iunno….to me it’s just today’s daily “BLOW. IT. UP.” thread…it seems to be the whole BCB agenda at this point. Some people here don’t even want to win games because it MIGHT lead to Hendry and Quade staying, even thought that decisions probably been made a while ago.
The news is that Ricketts STILL feels this way about Hendry ...
despite this trainwreck of a season. It’s also significant that this isn’t boilerplate talk coming straight from Ricketts. If the report is to believed, it’s an unfiltered analysis that says Ricketts is still OK with the job Hendry’s done.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Aug 3, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Which is why it's discouraging
If the report is to believed, it’s an unfiltered analysis that says Ricketts is still OK with the job Hendry’s done.
It means the ownership of our favorite baseball team really isn’t all that astute and barring a total fluke or another spending spree, we aren’t going to be toasting a W.S. championship any time soon.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe you should take your grievance
up with SI, who thought there was enough fresh info here to run the piece in the first place.
by Damen Jackson on Aug 3, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
"I’ll be avoiding it at all costs if I can"
You have like 20+ post already in here
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
by Hammer on Aug 3, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
THANK you.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
He did say "if he can"
Clearly, he can’t…..for some reason
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
Lot of green in the thread.
That’s how you know SenorGato’s made his presence known.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
Ah the daily Hendry/Quade should be fired thread.
I’ll be avoiding it at all costs if I can
Well, this was a blatant lie. Can you tell us how it is you were unable to avoid it?
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
by Ross on Aug 3, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You said
Ah the daily Hendry/Quade should be fired thread.
I’ll be avoiding it at all costs if I can…
at 14:00 on 8/3 but kept posting anyway.
So even your proclamation of avoiding it at all costs if you could was a failure.
Dude, seriously you need some new material. You’ve had a few good points before. Try that again but stay away from the “I’m a victim” thing. Totally discredits anything good you state.
Just win the next game...!
Another one
And I have to say that I’d consider switching my allegiance if this happened.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010) and Ron Santo (February 25, 1940-December 2, 2010).
If you disagree with me in any way, you are wrong.
by Ace Venom on Aug 3, 2011 2:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Me, too.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I'll never stop being a Cub fan
But I sure as hell won’t pay as much attention.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
...
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
by shoemile on Aug 3, 2011 2:08 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
steve austin is not amused
I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
Totally agree
Those were some great years -
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Where does it say Baker is a catcher there?
Anyway, Heyman is right on, as was Jonah Keri yesterday. There’s too much trust in the current thinking that “just a few tweaks” will fix things.
They need to make wholesale changes. Period.
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Are they really that out of touch?
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't call signing the best available free agent a "tweak"
It’s been speculated that they’ll spend big in the offseason of guys like Fielder and dump Soriano and possibly Zambrano. That’s not really tweaking the team. Those are pretty big changes.
That's true.
However, the Cubs’ failure to do much at the deadline despite a fifth-place showing so far makes it seem like the Cubs are pretty comfortable with the current state of things.
And if the reports are true that the Cubs are zeroing in on Fielder, why wouldn’t they at least listen on Pena?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Here's the thing about the trading deadline:
- Nobody offered anything worth giving up Marshall/Marmol/Ramirez or even Pena for. Pena + cash for Aaron Baker would be embarrassingly bad for the Cubs, and if that’s what could be expected then making a trade to make a trade would be dumb.
- Nobody wanted to take on Soriano/Zambrano mid-season like that. It’s perfectly understandable for them not wanting to do that. There’s also the possibility that teams wanted them, but only if they got a whole lot of cash and didn’t have to give up anything as far as prospects are concerned.
- Pena could still be traded this month, as can someone like Grabow. Don’t expect much of a return for them either…The gain on that is that they only have to play Bryan LaHair or someone like that for one month at 1B (the back to school month).
- Pena’s on a one year deal anyway, so he’s not in the way of a pursuit of Fielder.
Wait a freaking second.
How do you know this?
Nobody offered anything worth giving up Marshall/Marmol/Ramirez or even Pena for.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Aug 3, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Well in Pena's case...
It’s obvious. The Pirates got turned down for him and got Lee + Cash for a 23 year old 1B in High A.
The rest…well then they’d probably have been traded. I think teams this trade deadline didn’t want to give up prospects, and in fact the Yankees announcers were talking about just that during last night’s game. I also believe that they’d charge exorbitant amounts of money just to give up even a decent prospect, which isn’t worth it for someone like Marmol or even Ramirez. Marshall probably got a better offer than most, but my guess is that doesn’t mean it was a good offer for him…As we saw in the Pence and Beltran trade…even when a team gave up a top prospect it was a top prospect years away with a hole or two.
So you don't know.
Okay.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
by shoemile on Aug 3, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Lol true.
I assume you’ll also acknowledge that it works both ways. You don’t know that Hendry was offered any kind of appetizing deal.
I'm not the one making up crap to support my BS arguments.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
by shoemile on Aug 3, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
What a pile of unadulterated bullshit.
You completely pulled every word of this out of your ass. You really don’t know what you’re talking about regarding Marshall, who Hendry said, repeatedly, was not available.
I suppose it’s possible that the return for the others wasn’t good enough, but you have no proof to back up your incredibly bold statement.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Aug 3, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 15 recs
You have no proof the other way too....
So, maybe we’re both just spewing unadulterated bullshit with yours happening to fit the more popular opinion of the day?
Oh and Pena being here on a one year deal therefore not getting in the way of Fielder...
is not unadulterated bullshit. It’s a fact. He was given a one year deal for a reason…
I was referring to this unequivocal comment:
Nobody offered anything worth giving up Marshall/Marmol/Ramirez or even Pena for.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Aug 3, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Oh well...
Both my points on Pena still stand. The return the O’s got for Lee + cash would have been destroyed here.
As far as the rest…well sure I’ll give it to you and I’m full of bs. I’m sure Hendry didn’t state he wouldn’t trade Marshall because he wasn’t getting offers for him…I mean that makes some sense, no?
Now, can you do the same and admit you have no clue what was offered for those guys?
Why would it have been destroyed?
As Keri pointed out in his article, better to get twenty cents on the dollar than zero cents on the dollar.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
An Aaron Baker-esque prospect is not worth 20 cents.
I know that’s probably not the exact offer they got, but seeing as it’s what the Pirates gave up for a veteran 1B….and it took the O’s paying money to get that….
Plus, the window isn’t closed on trading Pena. The rumor was that the Cubs were looking for pitching in a deal…maybe the Pirates just didn’t offer pitching?
Pena has had a better year than Lee.
Now, I do agree that there would have been some who would criticize Hendry no matter what. I’m not among them, but I know they’re around.
But SG, here’s the thing: I don’t know what was offered for Byrd, Pena, et. al. I also didn’t make a ridiculously sweeping statement with a complete lack of information.
You did (and it’s why I’ve been jumping down your throat. More importantly, you do this kind of thing a lot. You should stop.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Aug 3, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
::crickets::
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Aug 3, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
You did make the ridiculously statement...
that they seem to be happy because they didn’t do anything. While you covered yourself by throwing in “seems,” it doesn’t cover your overall point that they woulda/shoulda/coulda done something, and since didn’t something is wrong.
I said 'pretty comfortable'.
Not happy.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Do we really have to argue semantics?
Either way you’re implying that they feel it’s fine to sit back, and that doing nothing is a sign that something is wrong when it’s not.
You are the one who made the unequivocal statement.
I didn’t say something like, “Hendry turned down great offers for those players.” Or, “Hendry botched negotiations multiple times.”
This is what I said that spurred for freestyling:
However, the Cubs’ failure to do much at the deadline despite a fifth-place showing so far makes it seem like the Cubs are pretty comfortable with the current state of things.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
You know that's an unequivocal statement right?
You’re making a major assumption that Hendry and the Cubs are comfortable with the way things are now. It’s totally based on not making trades at a mid-season trade deadline for which very little info is available to us.
Perhaps he just doesn’t want to sell his talent off for pennies on the dollar while paying real dollars to do so…
Do you know what 'unequivocal' means?
I couched my comment by saying the lack of moves “make it seem.” That’s called hedging — and I did so because I’m not privy to all the facts.
You, OTOH, has as much information and said without equivocation that the Cubs didn’t get good offers on several players.
If you can’t see the difference, I genuinely feel sorry for you.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
::crickets::
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Aug 3, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Fine...
You made the hefty assumption based on a very small period of time for which you have even less info.
BTW: I also admitted to bs on my non-Pena points.
You have yet to do the same despite having no more info than I do.
I didn't make the sweeping, unequivocal comment that you made!
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Aug 3, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You made a different one!
Then covered it with “seems” so that you’re not officially all in.
You're hopeless.
Seriously, seriously hopeless.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Aug 3, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
*had as much information
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Do I get anything for being the 10th rec here?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 3, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
10 BCB dollars
I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
by jesus christos on Aug 3, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs said Marshall and Marmol were off-limits.
Try again.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 3, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/7/21/2287024/mlb-trade-rumors-mike-adams-padres
Mike Adams has and hasn’t been told he’d be traded.
But what about Marshall and Marmol?
The Cubs said they were off-limits, yet you said the Cubs hadn’t been offered enough to trade them.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 3, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
Still waiting SG ...
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Sorry -- this was before you responded. Disregard.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
You can't say any of this unless you were on the phone with Hendry
Stop right now. Just because you don’t see it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
Just win the next game...!
I have no idea why Pena wasn't traded.
It’s possible that the money was complicated, or that no one was really offering much for him. Perhaps they want to stay on good terms with him, as he may be plan b, or Boras, who represents both Pena and Fielder.
I doubt he would have returned much anyway. He really only would have saved money, which I don’t really care about (not my money).
the Cubs’ failure to do much at the deadline despite a fifth-place showing so far makes it seem like the Cubs are pretty comfortable with the current state of things.
This is really only true if you believe our window to trade those pieces has closed. And it really hasn’t – the pieces of value (Marmol / Marshall / Soto / Byrd) will still be valuable in January. The low value pieces we’re losing (Grabow / Pena) are tradeable in August, and not really going to give us anything but salary relief anyway. It’s possible they’re waiting to see if they’re able to land the major pieces they would need to compete (Wilson / Fielder / Beltran) and that their plans with guys like Byrd depend on what happens with guys like Soriano.
by Wreckard on Aug 3, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd.
Not sure if it matters at all, certainly I don’t expect you to give a damn, but it really is refreshing seeing some perspective and critical thinking in a poster here.
Wreckard's arguments are more than welcome.
He’s an intelligent poster who has the ability to offer up opinions that aren’t consistently abrasive, don’t leave out important facts, and keep the goalposts cemented. Some people may disagree with him, but they don’t jump to the conclusion that he lacks perspective or critical thinking skills. You have proven you are the exact opposite type of poster.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
by shoemile on Aug 3, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 12 recs
I like him because his ideas fit right in with mine when it comes to this team
and what should be done.
And so people who disagree with you lack perspective and critical thinking?
You realize that’s a pretty mean spirited assertion, right?
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
by shoemile on Aug 3, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's a pretty foolish, closed-minded assertion.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
It is.
Damn you shoe and your ability to point out how I’m an ass without actually being an ass yourself.
by SenorGato on Aug 3, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
rec'd for accuracy
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Aug 3, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I also like him because....
when he types out these similar ideas he has to mine, people listen. It helps to have people like that, and it’s good to know that some exist here.
I wonder why they listen to him and not you
Couldn’t be that he actually is civil, right? Naw, that’s crazy talk!
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 11 recs
And ... that's a rec!
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
preposterous
I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
by jesus christos on Aug 3, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe.
Though after today’s “I hope the Cubs play spoiler” discussion, I wonder. A blatant example of how my words get twisted to create a moment of controversy to push the “fire everyone” SSDD agenda forward if I ever saw one.
As someone who defended you there ...
trust me when I say that your words being twisted are the exception, not the norm.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Honest question
Can you point out where your words were twisted in this thread? I’m not saying they haven’t been, but where?
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
That's exaggerated...
but no editing means what can be done.
Yeah. WHY did SG make enemies?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
we hate people with spanish SBnation names
oh wait..
I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
by jesus christos on Aug 3, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait.
I’m mean? But Shanghai confuses us, shoe.
Think about THAT.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I am mambochicken!
Wait, this isn’t 2009 anymore.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Jim Frey, Andre Dawson, Domingo Ramos, Aramis Ramirez, Ryne Sandberg, Jackie Robinson
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoops. Frey wore 8
Dang.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Jeff Blauser wore No. 4.
It has subsequently been retired, strangely.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Nothing for the Domingo Ramos reference?
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
As SWL would say ...
Clap. Clap. Clap.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Whoo-Hoo!
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a good post -- and a well-thought response.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Ugh...
Now I apologize that such a good comment will get lost to the gutter conversation below because of me. I gave them their out and they took it gladly.
Sorry to disappoint, but your powers of annoyance aren't that strong
Wreckard’s comment already has two recommendations and will probably get a third.
The only comments that get lost by your attitude are your own.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
I know you were.
I was the second.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
holy narcissicism
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 4, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I can't help to think, though, that something useful would have come from Pena
I don’t know what any of the offers were, so I could be wrong, but “salary relief” isn’t nothing no matter how small the amount. Maybe they could get $1M that they could then apply to next year or even to signing minor leaguers.
However, a legitimate prospect wouldn’t have been out of the realm of possibility. Of course it wouldn’t have been a “Top 5” guy, but I could see Pena going for a “Top 10” guy.
I do think that the Cubs missed an opportunity there. I don’t think that Pena will be a Type B FA either, so they won’t get draft picks.
by jerry morales rules on Aug 3, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not salary relief isn't a worthwhile reason
Just that I don’t actually care about it, since it isn’t my money. Generally I as a fan am not going to benefit from that.
Now, Pena’s situation is a little different since the majority of the money owed to him will count against the 2012 payroll. That would be a good reason to move him, but it’s also a potential obstacle.
How do you know that?
I’m referring to the majority of money owed to him being counted against 2012? I know the way the payments are structured, but I think it’s just a cash flow issue. I would guess that operationally, it’s all being put against 2011.
I’m willing to change that opinion with some information, but I haven’t seen that info.
by jerry morales rules on Aug 3, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoops, I take that back.
I had it backwards:
Pena will receive $5 million in 2011, and $5 million in January 2012, which will count against the ’11 payroll.
My mistake. Additionally those numbers have been disputed by Levine, who claims it’s $3M last December and $3M more in January. Either way looks like it’s against this year’s payroll anyway.
I might be jumping in on this late ...
but there’s been some talk that Pena will only be paid $3 million in 2012.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Love it when substance makes it’s way to BCB’s doorstep. Prepare to be shunned.
Anyway, I agree that signing a 27 year old 1B who is capable of hitting for average, power, and will get on base (without striking out a ton either) can be filed as better than a “tweak.”
You're doing an incredible job of avoiding this thread.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Aug 3, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Meh, it's under control for the time being....
I have to say it’s alot less vile than what I’ve come to expect here.
I’ll get out once my followers show up to offer their uh….“input.”
Input
GFTO
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Aug 3, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
So you DO have a use?
Good for you big guy!
Followers as in plural....
You need to get the rest of the gang in here!
Wreckard usually engages in a discussion and can be civil with those he disagrees with
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah meanwhile I rip you guys apart...
I’ve heard. I am an insult machine.
I wonder why the community singled you out
Is it your stunning good looks? Your unbelievable wealth? Your feats of strength?
I can’t imagine it would be anything that you’ve brought on yourself. Ah, well. Keep fighting the good fight. It’s not you, it’s the 20,000 rest of us.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
You've officially become the Frank Burns of BCB.
Congratulations.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Aug 3, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Is it because I don't date myself with references to
Frank Burns? ;) It’s a joke before I have to hear…forget it I’ll just hear it.
Huh?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
MASH was before my time.
It’s a reference I only get because of the Googlez.
Other than COPS ...
there isn’t another show you can find on TV as often as you find MASH. Look for it.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I don't even think that depiction is accurate
Frank Burns had hotlips.
SG is clearly a virgin.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
I WANNA KNOW WHAT LOVE IIIIIIIIISSSSS!!
AND I WANT YOU TO SHOOOOOOOOOW ME!
Don't watch too much TV but I used to see it on....
I’d then change the channel.
To Sponge Bob Square Pants?
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
never liked it
I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
by jesus christos on Aug 3, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
youre begging to blocked, man
I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
by jesus christos on Aug 3, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
rofl
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I do have you to thank for me watching
All That, Kenan and Kel, and Doug last night, so gracias. I skipped out on that lame Clarissa stuff.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
Skipped the Spongebob phenomenon.
Now Rugrats? Hell yea.
by SenorGato on Aug 3, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
Sense of humor and participating.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Skipped also.
Are You Afraid of the Dark? …SCARIEST STUFF EVERZ.
I always wanted to know what that powder was that they threw into the fire.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
give me a high five
I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
by jesus christos on Aug 3, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Another hell yes...
Speaking of the muppets I remember this vividly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ii-Df1Hs8
Still the best version of that song ever in the history of ever.
I think it's hilarious you feel the need to convince people you don't watch MASH
as if it’s that important.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
I only watch it for the articles.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Yeah I really went crazy there to prove....that.
I find it hilarious that you won’t admit you have a crush on me.
How old are you?
Between calling people a “girl” as an insult, and the “people are stalking me!” “you have a crush on me!” junk
It’s hard for me to believe you’ve graduated grade school
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
No,
I’d put my money square on 21. Those post-graduation reality checks don’t seem to have hit yet.
by Damen Jackson on Aug 3, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow...the are you afraid of the dark really threw me...
plus as irony would have it your comments, as obstinate and stubborn as they are, i always read them in the frame of older 20’s…you’re still mostly annoying…it just makes a little more sense as to way you’re mostly annoying….
Feeling's mutual...
Glad and not glad to hear I know enough to pass for late 20’s….not really, but w/e.
That explains a lot.
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by Al Yellon on Aug 3, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
turn this green so everyone gets it
:)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Possibly explains why I can run circles around you
in a baseball argument.
OTOH, you, the old mature gentleman and leader, can run circles around me in the bullying and propaganda department though. So I guess in the end we all have our skills….
Al seriously why do you
let him disrespect you like this?
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
by sue369 on Aug 3, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, Al has no baseball discussing skills.
Which is why he owns you in every baseball-themed argument here.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 3, 2011 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Skills?
No, you have a Knack
♫Ooh you’re an obnoxious one, a toxic one
You argue like this all the time, Sir Gato.
Ooh you’re an unpleasant one, unpleasant one
Refusing to change your mind, Sir Gato
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Biggest Hendry fan. Always getting up for the chance
Post a strawman. See see see ee ee woo. S S S Senor Gato♪
♫Listen to another’s point, don’t self-anoint.
You are not better than all, Sir Gato
Acting like you are won’t get you far.
You think you are Mr. Baseball, Sir Gato
Never gonna stop, give it up. Such a closed mind.
Always getting up for the chance
To be unkind. See see see ee ee woo. S S S Senor Gato♪
♪When you gonna polite, be polite
Will it be in a thread tonight Sir Gato
Do you just like to fight, like to fight?
Or do you think you’re always right, Sir Gato?
Never gonna stop, give it up. Biggest Hendry fan.
Always getting up for the chance
Post a strawman. See see see ee ee woo. S S S Senor Gato♫
♫Oooh woah Senor Gato♪
♫Oooh woah Senor Gato♪
♫Oooh woah Senor Gato♪
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Put down the pipe
and walk away SLOWLY.
Little man, you haven’t a fucking clue then of the knowledge in a one Al Yellon’s noggin.
Sorry for that the one word, Al. But this is a guy I would relish slamming into the corner boards so damned hard, he was out before he hit the ice.
Just win the next game...!
I don't either.
My children are younger and don’t act like that. At least I hope they don’t.
Fasten those seat belts...
It's a contributor
but for him, a couple decades from now still may not help much.
Just win the next game...!
That's like me questioning your age and maturity because...
You follow me around in the fashion that you do…and even opened up your posting to me with a troll picture. It’s the internet….we say stupid shit.
As presently constructed?
2-3 years.
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Could you clarify that, Al?
Do you mean the Cubs are 2-3 years away if they don’t make some big moves this offseason, or they’re 2-3 years away even if they make moves this offseason?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Good question.
And what should be done in the 2-3 years? How closed is the door on 2012?
Depends on how many players are replaced with better ones.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
Hm?
What should be done in the span of 2-3 years? Does 2-3 years mean the door on 2012 is closed?
Sorry, I was only responding to the closed door question.
My bad.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
That's a good question..
…. and I’m not sure of the answer. It depends on how much they want to really retool, because with only a tweak or two, this team cannot do much better in 2012 than they’re doing now.
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There certainly are going to be a lot of questions.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
What if, as Wreckard suggests,
the tweak is adding one of the biggest and best bats in the game?
D'you think they'd be finished after that move?
What wouldn’t it be enough to do? Win more games? Win alot of games? Win a WS? Win anything at all?
Not that you'll listen, but this is exactly why people can't stand you.
You offered up a specific hypothetical, he answered it non-confrontationally, just matter-o-factly and you came back with sarcasm, acting like he was an idiot for answering the very question you put forth.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Aug 3, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
You can't be serious....Actually, since it's you I know just not to take it as such.
What sarcasm is in that post? Those are follow up questions. Like the questions I asked above (what should be done over 2-3 years and is the door to 2012 closed), he’s not obligated to answer if he doesn’t want to.
I guess I'll rephrase then...
If a Fielder/Pujols move isn’t enough, what else can be done to make the team competitive in 2012?
This team needs more than Fielder/Pujols.
IMO, they need to get Pujols and a pitcher like CJ Wilson, and possibly another mid-rotation starter. They’d also have to bring back Ramirez or add another mid-order bat.
And even then, they’d be reliant on two guys to revert to their rookie forms — Colvin and Wells.
If they had all of those things, and if a bunch of guys had strong years, the Cubs could contend in 2011 in the weak NL Central.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I still think we'd be an outfielder short of real contention
But I suppose in the NL Central we could make do.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
If the Pirates can make do with a
Garrett Jones – McCutchen – Tabata OF….
The Pirates are fading badly.
I’m not sure they’re the model we want to follow.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Oh I know they're fading and even called the fade...
The point is that this division sucks donkey balls, and even a pretty bad team can contend if things break right.
I suppose.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I agree with him, actually.
Which to me is why Hendry needs to go.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
Oh you know dang well it stretches beyond that...
Not only within the past ten years has this division produced one of the worst division winners ever (the ’05 Cardinals), but that team went and won the WS anyway.
This division is well within grasp with the addition of a Fielder/Pujols + Wilson signing, especially since having them probably gives the FO confidence to make an addition at the deadline.
The 2005 Cards won 100 games
THEY SUCKED!!
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Well, we won 97
So teams in the Central have had some good seasons, but I agree that on the whole the Central has been bad.
As Shoe said, it’s why seasons like this are infuriating.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
What was the year the Cardinals won the division with 83?
Maybe ‘06…it was ’06..they beat the Tigers in the WS that year….that was Verlander’s rookie year….OK remembered now.
Yeah 2005 was the White Sox
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Ah the "every pitcher is going to have a career year"
The '05 White Sox...
will always be famous to me for how hot their pitching got in the playoffs. IIRC they got something like 4 complete games in a row in the ALCS…
Statistically IIRC most of their staff had a career year.
Um ...
I don’t see how offseason acquisitions give the FO confidence to do anything at the deadline. Wins and ownership backing usually prompt adding at the deadline.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Adding good talent in the offfseason...
contributes to adding wins to the team’s record…which in turn adds incentive to better the team at the deadline.
Note that we saw two very good. high upside young vets (Pence and Jimenez) hit the trade market this trade deadline too….so the talent at the deadline could be significant.
Well, of course, 'talent at the deadline could be significant.'
It also might rain tomorrow. And the sun MIGHT come up.
But you’re essentially saying that offseason acquisitions DEFINITELY make the Cubs better and prompt July/August trades. Again, no hedging.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Well yea....
If the off-season acquisitions definitely make the Cubs better…and Fielder/Wilson offseason would do just that…then there’s plenty of incentive to look to add talent at all possible opportunities to do so.
It's a matter of whether the moves make them better ENOUGH.
Let’s say the Cubs sign CJ and Fielder, but still are five games under .500 at the deadline (which is possible). Then, the offseason moves wouldn’t give the FO optimism to make trades at the deadline.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Of course but...
while 5 games under .500 is possible….with an everyday big bat, another TOR pitcher to go with Garza and Z….how likely is it really in this scenario where both are here?
Not to mention that if the right talent…like a young vet in the mold of Pence/Ubaldo with years under team control….hits the market and they’ve already added Fielder/Wilson….I’m sure they’d jump on the chance to pick up a long term talent.
Hypothetically…say your scenario plays out and Fielder/Wilson still has left us 5 games below .500…if Justin Upton were to hit the trade market…do we pass? I say no chance in heckaroni.
Hence
But I suppose in the NL Central we could make do.
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Could be a weird division next year.
If Pujols leaves St. Louis, if (when) Fielder leaves Milwaukee, if Aramis/Soriano/Z are gone …
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Exactly why it's foolish to
give up on 2012.
Especially since it’s likely one of FIelder/Pujols ends up here…
Soriano and Z won't be gone
I would almost guarantee that
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
Yeah they're not going anywhere...
without a whole lot of luck.
I wouldn't be shocked at all ...
if the Cubs ate Soriano’s remaining salary and told him to go on his merry way. Z’s another matter.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I would be shocked
I would be flabbergasted, astounded and completely blown away,
Nothing the Cubs have done financially indicates to me they’d be willing to eat that kind of money. Hell, we couldn’t even just give Pena a regular old $10 million contract for one season.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
Apples and oranges.
Soriano is a sunk cost at this point. Pena was an added cost.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
It's really not apples and oranges
The team has been in penny pinch mode for years now. I don’t see any indicator they’re willing to eat a massive amount of money just to make someone go away.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
Come on, Nunya.
Apples: Cutting an unproductive player doesn’t cost anything more than what you’re already budgeting.
Oranges: Signing a new player costs more money.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
The penny pinching....
I think was all the culminate in this year, when so much money comes off the books. It’s why Pena only got the one year.
I agree that they probably won’t eat Soriano’s contract like that…It’d be nice though.
They already don't have enough pitching.
Dumping Z would be very surprising.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
Or add at the deadline.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
You know what?
I can re-read your comment above and see where you didn’t intend it to be taken the way that it was.
Perhaps it’s unfair, but your larger body of work contributes to that.
Definitely unfair, but the way the world works – perception becomes reality.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks and sure...
I don’t mind so much though.
i think the point that he said they were 2-3 yrs away
suggests not much more realistically (in his opinion) could make them immediate contenders
one of the problems people have with discussing the Cubs with you, is that you don’t listen to their opinions. You dismiss them and try to fit pieces of their comments into your pre-conceived framework for what’s possible.
So instead of respecting that Al’s opinion is they cant realistically compete for a WS within the next year, you continue to pound away at a way that they could. Asking him to provide more evidence to further your opinion.
There’s a lot of reasons I’ve been less active on this site of late, most of which have to do with juggling an increasingly difficult schedule. But one of the big ones was the way you choose to derail threads by not listening to others posts.
You’ve shown you have a good grasp of baseball. You’ve shown you have a passion for our system and for trying to find ways to make the team better long-term (thinking like a GM). These are qualities that most on the site would love and I personally would love to exchange ideas back and forth
but your tact, and the way you choose to deal with others is vastly overshadowing any knowledge of the game or the team you have. In a setting which is built for conversation and discourse, you need to be willing to actually try to understand and respect another individuals opinion
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 4, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 12 recs
If you honestly weren't trying to be sarcastic, then I'll admit I was wrong
But as I said in the other thread, when 99% of your time here is spent acting like a horse’s ass dishing out nothing but sarcastic comments, people begin to read ALL your comments as sarcastic gibberish.
You don’t get to play the victim because your own behavior has led others to see you in a certain light.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Aug 3, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Looks for a beer.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Looks for trash can.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 3, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm invincible.
Too much of you was already in said trash can.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 3, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Need at least two starters, no matter who they sign at 1B
Right now the rotation is Garza-?-?-?-?. Zambrano and Dempster are both on the downsides of their careers (Z’s upside got used in 2003-2007), Wells is an enigma, there is no #5, and Cashner is missing the whole season with a bad shoulder. A team can hope for the playoffs with 3 solid starters and a couple of questions marks, but not with one.
The noncontending Cubs seemed oddly possessive of several of their coveted veterans, including outfielder Marlon Byrd, first baseman Carlos Peña and catcher Jeff Baker, before the trade deadline. But while they declined trade overtures for those players and more, they did at least make some attempt to move on from the era of Alfonso Soriano and Carlos Zambrano, by trying to negotiate trades for the two high-priced stars.
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I will say that I don't get why they kept one of Baker/DeWitt....
And dang that Kerry Wood for not going to the Phillies.
Highest-priced guys
Sori first, then Z. Dome is already gone and Rami is sure not to be extended.
Makes sense they get the biggest salary out(Sori) AND open the opportunity to put others in that position that can actually play offence and defence.
Just win the next game...!
Wholesale Al?
Really? They’ve been doing that and no-go.
Overhaul is needed, starting in the front office.
I say this as we’re exiting the ballpark after the 7-game win streak was ended.
Just win the next game...!
It wouldn't surprise me to see Gillick brought in as President to pacify calls for change
with Hendry retained through his contract. Don’t like it, but what can you do.
At least the Ricketts are spending big on player development, so there’s that.
If I had to guess, I'm thinking this is what will happen.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
I think this is close to what will happen.
I wonder if Gillick will take the official title of President, but I do think someone like him will be brought in to placate complaints and serve as a guide for the rebuild. I’m seeing/thinking that Gillick’s last team, the Phillies, are a team the Cubs are looking to imitate.
I agree, though
If it leads to the kind of team the Phillies have constructed, the Cubs can do literally every single thing identically – mistakes and all.
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Every team makes mistakes.
It happens. Some team’s mistakes lead them to having a bad contract or two. Other team’s mistakes lead to back to back fifth place finishes. One is obviously preferable to the other.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
Exactly.
The window is so small for anyone that I think the Phillies find the Ibanez/Howard deals worth it.
And maybe in a couple of years...
We’ll hear that they don’t. That’s the price of competing, and I’m sure they’d do it again and again if presented with the situation over again.
Well, the Howard deal was unnecessary probably
and will look really bad over time unless they win a couple more rings. The Ibanez deal is going to be pretty forgivable. Obviously, nobody complains when you win a world series.
Yep...
For their sake they’ll need to win a WS within the next 2-3 years, because I don’t think their infield (specifically Rollins and Howard) have too many really good years left.
Those guys will eventually be the supplementary talent to Brown/Pence/the pitching rather than the guys who carry the team. Hell, they’re there now really, but Brown isn’t anywhere near his ceiling yet.
Phillies are going to be in a Cubby style salary purgatory in 2-3 years
basically they’re entire roster outside of 2-3 players are on the wrong side of 30 years old.
Maybe.
But they had a pretty good run, and if it continues for another 2-3 years …
Keep in mind this is much more of a run than the 2007-08 Cubs.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I don't think that was his point.
It’s pretty true that they’ll probably be in salary purgatory in a couple years. Those contracts might even cost them Hamels…by that I mean I hope it does because the 2013 Cubs will be looking for an ace.
Yup, that and a few WS trophies...
they’re in trouble… :^)
Ask this question: Would you give into a salary purgatory a couple years down the road for a couple titles now? I would.
Already lived it with the ‘Hawks after the 09-10 cup. Last summer’s “cap-ocalypse” really put a damper on the ‘10 cup, but they already had that title. They’re now re-tooled and ready to make another run in ’12.
Gotta like the Phillies ways, at least for me. How they attempted to stack up on pitching with Lee, then Holliday, getting Lee back, adding Oswalt…I’d love to see that methodology at Clark & Addison. To boot they already have one title under their belt and are a favourite for the next couple seasons, as you cite.
Just win the next game...!
If that happens
And he teaches Jimbo not to offer ancillary players $5M/two years, I’ll feel better.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 3, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know what all you guys are complaining about!
I blocked two people and now it’s just like Family Flowbee Fun Part 1 – everyone’s comments are thoughtful and polite and worth my time!
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From Rickett's Peoria Chiefs press conference this afternoon:
Ricketts on if he’s anticipating any changes: “I don’t know just yet. It’s something we’ll decide at the right time.” #Cubs
Certainly not a vote of confidence.
Or a ‘vote of confidence.’
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
A more in depth writeup on Hendry's comments
sounds like the statement was more in regard to the roster than management
http://blogs.pjstar.com/capie/2011/08/03/cubs-top-man-in-town/
Well, in his defense, asking if he's going to be making any changes ON THE FIELD
is sort of a dumb question. Of course there will be changes on the field
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
That means "Yes, there will be changes,
but we don’t want to pull the rug out from under Hendry yet. We will at the right time though."
by jerry morales rules on Aug 3, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Still saying the right things about player development
http://twitter.com/#!/KevinCapie/status/98864992929067008
Ricketts: “We want to be known as a team that drafts and develops players better than the other teams.” #Cubs
I really like this Ricketts guy.
I’ll like him more when he buys a couple FAs this year, but I like where he’s going with player development. He really does seem to be using the Red Sox as a map….
...except when it comes to building a team.
The Red Sox are the example he wants to follow, but he seems to have switched the priorities they used in order to get Fenway Park to sell out every game.
Build a winner on the field, then upgrade the park. He’s doing it the opposite way … upgrade the park, then build a winner. He’s going to find out how quickly we Cubs fans care about wins if he keeps this up.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 3, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah he's been the owner for less than 2 years...
I’m a little less jumpy when it comes to making judgements. You feel free to judge away, as you already have. There aren’t even many, if any, upgrades in Wrigley right now…lol…w/e you’re thriving on the misery and that’s your thing so…enjoy.
A pity you had to take a good post and throw in insults at the end.
You feel free to judge away, as you already have. There aren’t even many, if any, upgrades in Wrigley right now…lol…w/e you’re thriving on the misery and that’s your thing so…enjoy.
Talk about rude and insensitive. I’ll make it simple. Those of us who don’t like the direction the Cubs are going care just as much about wins and losses as anyone else who claims to be a Cubs fan.
I personally don’t like who is in charge at this point. But I will always be there, cheering for my team, no matter what happens because, if I cheer for someone else, I will no longer be a Cubs fan.
And take it from me, living near Red Sox fans has given me something of a unique perspective of them. Fenway Park is a bonus of going to a game in Boston. Most Red Sox fans would tell you they care more about winning at baseball than the state of Fenway.
There are plenty of bright young stars on this team, but right now, they’re not developing in a good system, which comes down on them for minor missteps and allows veterans tremendous leeway.
And lastly, if there aren’t any upgrades planned at Wrigley, why is Ricketts focusing on the toilets and asking Illinois for $200 million to help construct the Triangle Building?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 3, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Outstanding points
don’t expect a substantive reply.
Well written.
Rec’d.
Just win the next game...!
My beef
with SenorGato ir primarily that the results of his behavior are ruining this blog, and less about the behavior itself. His “issues” are well-documented, but he and the people he fights with are really making it hard to read this blog. I saw the post title and a bunch of comments, and thought it might be an interesting discussion (one of the first since the trade deadline let-down). But if there is an interesting discussion, it’s hard to find.
Instead, we have about 200 posts of bickering between SenorGato, who seeks out negative attention for some reason, and the people who can’t step away from his baiting and antagonism. I don’t know that SenorGato has done anything, at least nothing over the top, to violate the community guidelines, but he sure is taking away from a lot of people’s enjoyment of the blog.
Blogabull has a regular purging of people who are serving to detract from the quality of the discussion, rather than adding to it. Not to tell anyone how to run their blog, but if a person is really here to argue, antagonize, bait, and belittle, and not to have conversations, then why allow them to post? We are all here to have interesting conversation about the Cubs, right? If someone is taking away from that experience from just about everyone, why not give them the boot. It’s not censorship, it’s community policing.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Aug 3, 2011 8:52 PM CDT reply actions 9 recs
Dude, too many of us have been calling for this for awhile
and months ago, he had already done far more than others who had been banned. Now he’s gotten to the point where he freely insults Al and others, and still nothing happens. And rather than warning him, it’s those who speak out against him who are warned for namecalling, which I get, but cut the head off the snake, and the snake dies. No more bitching and fighting. I mean, who else are we always fighting with? There is no one else. So I don’t know if because of Al’s position it would look bad if he banned SG, or if he just doesn’t care, but he’s going to lose a lot of good posters from this blog because of SG’s behavior.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 3, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Well said Craig.
I just don’t get why he is still here.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
I'll vote to ban
sorry SenorGato, but even the blocking doesn’t help…when I found out your age I was convinced this was just for attention, nothing else. The threads are getting ruined.
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 3, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Agreed about the threads getting ruined.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
by sue369 on Aug 3, 2011 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
we can block people now?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 5, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree that things are going downhill lately
However, I honestly don’t think SenorGato is the only one to blame. Everyone complains about him, but I’ve seen plenty of people using unnecessarily harsh language aimed specifically at him, trying to bait him, and then not letting anything go. Even if he deserves it, be the bigger man/woman and walk away, and then he’ll be the lone responsible party.
I challenged him yesterday in one of his threads, listened to his rebuttal (which was very reasonable and he owned up to his mistake), and we agreed to disagree. Since then I’ve noticed that it’s not just SG who is making things miserable. There’s plenty of blame to go around, but seriously, do we have to keep going over this issue in every thread? There’s a time to speak and a time to keep silent, and I think a lot of us need to hold our (digital) tongues for a while, even if someone says something obnoxious.
For what it’s worth, SG is very active in the minor league wrap threads, and the problems I see in the other threads do not occur in those. I think that speaks volumes about what is going on. Everybody trying to have the last word is as much of an issue as is SenorGato IMO.
by Bradsbeard on Aug 3, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
As I said
it’s not just him, it’s everything around him.
DEJESUS!!!
Rec'd
Does SG bring some of this upon himself sometimes? Sure, sometimes. But is there an immediate volatile response to almost whatever he posts? Yes. Look at this thread, just about every response to any of his comments got greened just because everybody has a good ’ol time kicking SG around and portraying him as the bully.
Bullshit.
I’m growing more tired of your BS than his, to be honest. This was his first post:
Ah the daily Hendry/Quade should be fired thread.
I’ll be avoiding it at all costs if I can, but I’ll put the over/under on hateful posts at 200. Should be another fun one for you guys. It’s a topic that rarely gets touched here, so I’m sure many will appreciate the chance to vent.
Real friendly. When he responds respectfully without making up stuff or taking snipes at other posters, people generally respond in kind.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
by shoemile on Aug 3, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Huh. When people try to be friendly they generally get kind responses?
That’s weird, cause I just got a response titled “Bullshit.” and then the first line saying “I’m growing more tired of your BS than his”. Weird, isn’t it?!? Jesus shoe, I felt like I’ve tried to be friendly with you, but you’ve been nothing but a prick. Just ignore me or block me or something, please.
You're purposefully making misrepresentations.
Was my opening harsh? Yeah, it was. Probably too much so, so I apologize for that. But you said this:
Does SG bring SOME of this upon himself SOMETIMES? Sure, SOMETIMES. But is there an IMMEDIATE VOLATILE RESPONSE to ALMOST WHATEVER he posts? YES
Emphasis mine.
As Nunya points out, you’re seriously painting over his role. SG can be civil, and when he is, things usually go fairly smooth. But this thread is him bringing a lot of this upon himself.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
by shoemile on Aug 3, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think he's completely innocent.
That kinda thing happens pretty often. But like I said to NYB, I think he’s victimized much more than anybody would care to admit, and I know that’s not an argument we will agree on, so it’s probably best if we just don’t have it. But I will say this, if you look at (I believe) the preview to tonight’s game SG posted something along the lines of “I’d really like to see the Cubs be spoilers for the rest of the season” and was immediately greeted with “You only want them to play well so Hendry and Quade to return!” WTF is that? His style could use work, I agree, and I’ve stated that to him several times (draw more flies with honey than vinegar). That’s enough though, idc about this enough, and my thoughts are getting really scattered, Cubs won, I don’t want to be arguing, I’m out.
I think you're talking about a comment he made in the recap thread earlier today.
And if so, I completely agree. Nothing he said originally warranted that.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
I think one of the problems I see in the threads is that SG takes almost every comment made
as an opportunity to start a huge debate. People just can’t make a comment without him jumping on it…he’s all over the place, everywhere.
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 3, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
SG can be a really funny dude.
And he’s got some knowledge, too. I’d prefer he just act like that all the time instead of getting banned. He can be a valuable member of this community.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
by shoemile on Aug 3, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope you're right
this thread started out very interesting and then devolved. Dont get me wrong, I love a silly thread as much as the next person, but “having the last word” goes on forever and gets annoying very fast. I know it can happen with anyone, I guess lately it’s been with SG fairly often. One other thing, his funny side?…..well it must be lost in all his other comments cuz I haven’t seen it. I’ll take your word for it and give it a go :)
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 3, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
He and I are from a different generation than you (and most folks here, I assume)
So I get the jokes he makes, at times. Just a generational thing. But look at the comments he made in this thread:
Civil, respectful, contributed to the conversation, offered compliments without putting down others at the same time. He’s clearly capable of it. Can he be consistent? I dunno. We’ll see.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
He and I are from a different generation than you (and most folks here, I assume)
There are quite a few people his age here who don’t act like he does. It’s a simple matter of respect.
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Well, I agree with that.
Which is why I was confused about your comment claiming that his age explained a lot.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
it very well be an age thing cuz I truly can't tell when he's serious or not....
I’m willing to try to understand SG, but to tell you the truth, there has been no one who has done anything on this site to make me as annoyed….I don’t know why, I think maybe because I can’t keep up with the thread/conversation, which I guess is really my problem, not his.
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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 4, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll agree with that
In fact, he’s shown signs of interacting differently. That’s why I recommended your comment above about all of us being disappointed.
I think that people do probably read into things he says because of his well-earned reputation — I know that I did at least once in this thread — but because it’s gotten to the point that it has, the onus is going to be on him.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 4, 2011 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions
This chick nailed me.
Sadly, it was with words and on the internet.
In fact, how the hell is this not green?
I broke my no new comments rule in this thread to rec and comment on this.
You're defense of him would be a lot more convincing if you weren't painting over his role in it quite a bit
Did I get sucked into a slapfight with him? Yes. Did he ABSOLUTELY bring it on himself? Yup.
His FIRST post, was to call out EVERYONE. His second was a snide comment about what a nice “win-win” it would be.for Shanghai if the team won next year. There isn’t a single person who could think that was all innocent
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Aug 3, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wait, didn't I say he brings it upon himself sometimes?
He’s not completely innocent either, but he is victimized a lot more than anyone here says. I’m not going to try arguing this because I’ll never convince you anyways, so it’s completely pointless.
If he is victimized it is again, because of his body of work. I remember when he first came to this site
And I watched him go on the attack day after day, until I finally called him on it.
His rhetorical style from day one has been “you’re an idiot because you dont agree with me”. And he takes that tact with EVERYONE. If he backed off of that, he wouldn’t get “victimized”
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem
by Nunyabidness on Aug 4, 2011 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hey look, SG's alter ego
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Aug 5, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who is that guy anyway?
I swear I noticed him for the first time last week, and it’s all been posts of similar quality. Looks to me like someone just wants to be one of the cool kids here.
no jackass, just someone else calling you on your bullshit
It’s amazing how you and your alter-ego have such a great repoire with one another. Do you go to the bathroom together too?
Just win the next game...!
Yes, we go to the bathroom together. WELL DONE!
Also, very interesting spelling of rapport, haven’t seen that one yet!
Please post comment titles on your pics so we can collapse them.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 8, 2011 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, Senor Gato?
I gave you a two-day timeout, and asked you to behave when you came back. You have not done so.
This is your last chance. If I continue to see the combative attitude you have toward every single person on this site, particularly me, you’re out of here.
Your response to this comment will be instructive.
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by Al Yellon on Aug 3, 2011 9:41 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Punish him the way
my Grandfather punished my Dad. Make him spend the night in the back yard trying to catch the Snipe.
Almost 50 years later – my Dad is still pissed about that.
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Well, checked back in today
checking from the phone down the RF line down 6-2 and see not much has changed.
To his “credit” he hasn’t gone after Sue yet.
Just win the next game...!
Wow
I saw all the recs and was excited to read a great thread….instead I stumbled across 30-minutes of garbage.
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by wrigley12 on Aug 4, 2011 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
There are plenty of good points made
Sadly, they didn’t deal with the original topic.
I hope this goes green.
That said, you shouldn’t be mad that the vultures got their daily meal. They need it. Heads must roll, dammit, and we should hear that everyday until it happens.
You just can't help yourself can you?
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
Nobody else comments about working to avoid this thread.
Nobody, but you.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Eh, for the most part I did.
Got out as soon as the rest of the cast showed up for the feed.
But you came back,
Over and over. Called yourself a victim while constantly bashing everyone in here for not agreeing with you.
How many comments did you post in here after repeatedly saying you would avoid this thread? 30? 40? It’s time to face facts, you aren’t even trying to avoid this thread. You keep coming back in here to see what people are saying about you, and then, when they take issue with the things you say, you get pissed again and say you’re leaving the thread again.
Total drama. Either put up with us on BCB or leave.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 6, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Better idea.
Ignore him.
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by Al Yellon on Aug 6, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Right?
I’m not losing much on my end of the spectrum either. If anything, it’d be a huge gain for me since I wouldn’t have to deal with the constant, incessant whining about how I hurt butts.
And lets face it here…you people claim that I claim to be a victim more than I actually do. The fact is, I have a target on my back here, anyone who denies that is as full of crap as well…as is to be expected…and it’s because I’m awesome and can hang with anyone here in intelligent baseball discussion. Notice that those 30 or 40 posts by your count…most…damn near all…were baseball posts, and I ducked out when this thread became a toilet for my fans to come crap in.
Oh and finally, props to alkappy for not falling into the line hybrid sheeple/vulture breed.
by SenorGato on Aug 6, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
...
The fact is, I have a target on my back here, anyone who denies that is as full of crap as well…
Plays victim card!
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 6, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Really?
I have a target on my back here, anyone who denies that is as full of crap as well…as is to be expected…and it’s because I’m awesome and can hang with anyone here in intelligent baseball discussion.
You don’t think the attitude has anything to do with it? Really??
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 7, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
And this isn't a reply fail - it was meant for alkappy
Because SG isn’t going to get it, but he might.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 7, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
The bolded part shouldn't have been said
I agree that was not appropriate. I said above SG brings it upon himself too, but I don’t think he deserves as much hate as he gets back.
When he puts himself above everyone
and continually mocks people who don’t share the same opinion, then yes, he does deserve that hate.
Here's the thing
When you more or less make it your personal mission to belittle anyone and everyone who has a differing opinion, people aren’t going to like you.
Then, when you say something that is meant to be innocuous, after diligently building a reputation as a condescending know-it-all, it could get misconstrued because of your prior actions.
Senor Gato spent a lot of time doing this. He still does. He thinks he’s the victim because some of his comments get taken the wrong way — some of them do. I’ve seen it and I’ve done it in this thread. I admitted as much earlier.
But the onus is on him. If he can’t curb the smarminess for a while, people aren’t going to see past the reputation. Right or wrong, it’s human nature and it’s how the world works.
I’d bet $10 if he went a month without acting that way that people would accept him. But I’d bet $100 that he doesn’t have the ability to do it.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 7, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
C'mon.
Why do you think people don’t like him? Is it his username? Other people have similar opinions, yet aren’t hated because they can express their views in a respectful and understandable way, without dismissing the opinions of those who disagree with them. SG asks for it everytime he makes a sarcastic remark about how dumb it is for us wanting Hendry and Quade gone. If he could make any kind of arguement backing up why they should stay without mocking those who disagree, he would be tolerable, but sadly I just don’t think it’s possible.
You're responding to SG with this
mutiple user accts. Douche-bags like that can’t even be cloned let alone exist naturally.
Just win the next game...!
I have seen very few backers of Quade and Hendry
that are not immediately attacked for having that belief (in a discussion on that matter). Can you imagine if I made my signature “Keep Jim Hendry!” in response to all of the “Fire Jim Hendry” ones? Actually, that’s an interesting idea…
Any backers of Quade and Hendry who show it respectfully
are not blasted like SG. He stands out not because he backs them, but because of the way he treats those who don’t. People who back management respectully may have other posters disagree with them and argue the opposite point, but the conversation can stay civil and not become full of personal attacks and mockery.Look no farther than Wreckard’s comments justifying why Pena wasn’t traded higher up in the thread. He stuck to the subject and wrote well thought about posts without personal attacks and jokes about people who don’t agree with him. And guess what? He was met with respect and civil counter-arguements, it didn’t turn into a pissing contest. It is possible to disagree with the majority without conflict and attacks, especially when you treat others with respect and don’t carry an “everybody is out to get me” attitude.
by Dcr18 on Aug 7, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah?
Any backers of Quade and Hendry who show it respectfully are not blasted like SG.
I wonder where NBF is these days.
He's around.
He says civil things. People respond in kind.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
Yeah I've seen it.
Things get real civil in an 1860’s kind of way.
Good to know.
You really like my hack stuff.
Anyway, I’d believe your point about treating those with a different opinion from the hive’s with respect if it was actually true.
If = were not was
Sorry – English PhD wife
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Wreckard has opposing opinions to us, yet somehow we all get along.
But keep cherry picking to prove your point.
Ah, so there's an us?
Anyway, that’s true. That makes it a 2:1 ratio of named posters.
Yes.
As in everyone in this thread who has opposing views to you and Wreckard. But keeping dodging the point, it’s one of your specialties.
See, now this...
is avoiding a point.
Respeck!
What, you want me to go through and write a dissertation on BCB behavioral issues?
I ain’t got a lot of great things to do, but I got better things to do than that.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
Yeah I want a dissertation.
Get it to me by tomorrow or I’ll be forced to fail you.
What a crock…I’m going to try that out:
I respect everyone who disagrees with me, and treat all in a perfectly civil manner at all times no matter what. This has been written. There’s no need to acknowledge this isn’t true, because all I’ll do is chuckle in the glory of my own bs/troll.
I've been in plenty of disagreements on this site.
Most are civil, some aren’t. You’re kinda the opposite.
FIRE JIM HENDRY. Injuries aren't the problem.
That is true..I do try...
And NBF gives me more material…My spats with him are I like to believe more highbrow than the ones with SenorGato and alkappy…
There is a certain amount of respect for NBF….
its late and I will never post that again!
Oh come on.
Page up to my discussion with him when I talked about Ricketts following the Red Sox example. Have a look at the insults SG flung at me in reply. None of them are even remotely true.
Minor League Contributing Writer, Athletics Nation.
State high point count: 4/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 7, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
SenorGato?
Is that you?
Come on, even if what I said is bad, it doesn’t come anywhere close to the things he has said to me.
Minor League Contributing Writer, Athletics Nation.
State high point count: 4/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 8, 2011 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Not accepted:
This from a guy who’s done nothing but go for the insult in any conversation I even vaguely remember between us here.
So, the discussion in the "are teams overvaluing young players" doesn't count?
Nor does the discussion about Samardzija?
Come on.
Minor League Contributing Writer, Athletics Nation.
State high point count: 4/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 8, 2011 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions
lol
I personally believe that damaged ligaments and tendons (among other abrasions) aren't the reason for the team playing so poorly relative the rest of Major League Baseball, so accordingly, James Hendry should be relieved of his highly important duties as General Manager of the Chicago Cubs franchise.
by jesus christos on Aug 6, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
like normal, bullshit
when do you go back to school? Think you’ll make through the 11th grade?
Just win the next game...!
Yup, a disappointing report
but really now is it unexpected (the performance, not the report)? Everything they seemed to do from the end of ST onwards pointed towards a dismal season. The non-events leading up to the end of the NWT deadline only cemented our feelings the Cubs’ direction is misguided.
Just win the next game...!
Well, an interesting post.
And an interesting set of comments.
Even a homer like me knows that the season is lost by this point — although, you know, it ain’t over till you’re mathematically eliminated!
I would like Ricketts to put a unique stamp on things.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
jim
will be back along with mike.money inthe bank.
Wow
I can’t remember another thread that had so many green posts.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 7, 2011 11:35 AM CDT reply actions
The thread about Jim Hendry a few weeks ago.
Where we all spoke in British accents.
Minor League Contributing Writer, Athletics Nation.
State high point count: 4/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 7, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Well this was an interesting read!
For the record, since I was mentioned in the original post…….
As for my prediction…..I too, hope I am wrong…..But I will be shocked if I am.
I think this was an excellent fanshot from elgato….Had more info than the regular firing calls…anything with possible trades of Soriano is news…
by TJ11 on Aug 8, 2011 12:40 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
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Enough, already. Move on.
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