Cubs Minor League Wrap: August 7
Conversations at my home today during the Cubs game:
Me: What self-respecting Cub fan would marry a White Sox fan?
My wife: If they were self-respecting, they wouldn't be a Cub fan.
My three-year old daughter: "Chicago! Chicago!" followed by uncontrollable giggling.
What I have to go through . . .
Iowa Cubs
Brett Jackson cracked two solo home runs as the Iowa Cubs defeated the Sacramento River Cats, 6-1.
Dave Bush got his first Cub win with five strong innings. He allowed a solo home run to the second batter he faced, Andy LaRoche, but that was the only run he gave up on three hits. Bush walked two and struck out two.
Blake Parker got his first save with two shutout innings. He allowed one hit. He did not walk anyone and struck out four.
Jackson was 2 for 3 with a walk. The two home runs were hit in the first and eighth innings. Jackson now has seven home runs for Iowa and 17 overall.
First baseman Scott Moore hit an insurance home run in the ninth inning with the bases empty. He was 2 for 3 with a sacrifice fly. Moore scored twice and had the two RBI. He has hit nine home runs this season.
Catcher Steve Clevenger was 2 for 4 with an RBI. DH Matt Spencer went 2 for 4.
Tennessee Smokies
The Tennessee Smokies blasted the Huntsville Stars into orbit, 11-4.
Trey McNutt pitched the first four innings and allowed two run on seven hits. He walked one and struck out six.
Jeff Stevens threw two shutout innings of relief and got the win because McNutt did not go five. He was touched for two hits, but he did not walk anyone and struck out four.
First baseman Blake Lalli cracked a solo home run in the fourth inning; his eighth of the season. Lalli was 1 for 4 and he was intentionally walked once. Lalli had two RBI and scored twice.
Center fielder Jae-Hoon Ha was 3 for 5 with a double. Ha scored once and batted two in.
Shortstop Junior Lake went 2 for 4 with a double. He also scored once and had two RBI.
Left fielder Jim Adduci went 2 for 5 with a double. Adduci scored twice and had one RBI.
Daytona Cubs
Greg Rohan hit two home runs as the D-Cubs speared the Clearwater Threshers, 8-6.
Angel Guzman had a rough inning to start the game today. He allowed three runs on five hits, including two home runs. He neither walked nor struck out anyone.
Dae-Eun Rhee got the win with six innings in relief of Guzman. He allowed three runs on seven hits. Rhee walked three and struck out five.
Fireman Frank Batista pitched the final two innings to get his 22nd save. He gave up but one hit and no runs. Batista neither walked nor struck anyone out.
Rohan hit his two home runs with men on base: two in the first inning and one in the seventh inning, giving him five RBI on the game. Rohan has six homers for the D-Cubs in 18 games, and 11 overall. He was 2 for 5.
Second baseman Logan Watkins was 3 for 5 with a stolen base. He scored twice. Shortstop Elliot Soto went 2 for 4 with a double and two runs scored.
Catcher Chad Noble went 3 for 4. He scored once.
Center fielder Matt Szczur was 2 for 5 with a stolen base. Szczur had two RBI and scored once.
Peoria Chiefs
The Peoria Chiefs detasselled the Cedar Rapids Kernels, 8-6.
Starter Eric Jokisch got his eighth win with a 5.2 inning start. Joksich allowed three runs on five hits and a walk, although one of the three runs was unearned. Jokisch fanned five Kernels.
Daniel Berlind tossed a scoreless ninth inning for his third save. He gave up a two-out single, but nothing else. Berlind struck out one.
DH Rubi Silva was 3 for 4 and scored twice. First baseman Richard Jones went 3 for 4. He scored once and had one RBI.
Third baseman Dustin Geiger had a double in a 2 for 4 game. He scored twice and had two RBI.
Shortstop Rafael Valdes scored twice and had two RBI in a 2 for 4 game.
Boise Hawks
The Boise Hawks pitchers only allowed three hits, but that was enough to lose 2-0 to the Tri-City Dust Devils.
Willengton Cruz allowed but one hit over five scoreless innings. He did walk four and struck out four.
Jean Sandoval allowed two unearned runs after a Zeke DeVoss error in the seventh inning. Sandoval allowed two hits during his three innings of relief, a triple and a double after the error. Sandoval did not walk anyone and struck out four.
DH Pin-Chieh Chen went 2 for 4.
AZL Cubs
Marco Hernandez went 2 for 4 with a double, extending his hitting streak to 14 games.
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Marlon is just practicing up on his Bernie
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Marlon is limbo king of Chicago.
by Don't Fear the Reaper on Aug 8, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Would you believe
I did that intentionally just to see if anyone was reading?
No? OK, would you believe my laptop crashed in the middle of writing this up, I hadn’t saved in a while and I had to retype a good chunk of it and by that time I was in no mood to do anything other than a quick proofread?
Corrected to Blake Parker.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 8, 2011 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I like that there's a hype machine for a prospect here.
Good to see Jackson garnering that kind of excitement.
McNutt with strong K:BB with more K’s than IP to boot.
Lake and Ha are making me interested in what happens to him in 2012. Both showing they can be nice sleepers in this system.
Here’s hoping the AA Stevens is Beliveau.
Weird line for McNutt
Kind of like an early season Garza line. Lots of Ks, but lots of hits. Must’ve been around the zone all night, but you don’t usually see a guy striking out that many guys and getting hit hard at the same time.
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Cool observation...
Makes me optimistic on McNutt. Sounds like somethings being built.
Now if only some kind of video of McNutt existed…
by SenorGato on Aug 8, 2011 2:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The major league team frustrates me so much..
They’re absolutely terrible all season and all of a sudden they start playing good again?! For what? I don’t care if they win a few, I’m just going to be pissed if we don’t have a top 5 pick after the season we had. And I don’t know if we can handle Jackson right now. Quade won’t even keep Colvin in everyday and that frustrates me too. No one warrants that PT over him. It’s a lost season. Let him play. Both could play everyday if Byrd was available, but nope. He’s too valuable! I wasn’t even against Hendry until this trade deadline stunt. If Colvin and Jackson get their PT, we have a top 5 pick, and Hendry/Quade are gone, I’ll be happy, but I don’t expect any of those to happen right now. Just venting.
Anyway..good games from Jackson, Clevenger, Ha (got his average back to .286), Lake, Vitters another XBH, Szczur solid day, Watkins, solid start from McNutt got the K’s tonight, but tons of pitches, Geiger solid, Cruz nice start, Hernandez and Amaya good games.
I really don't think the major league team should have most of those goals you just listed.
They certainly shouldn’t want a top 5 pick, and no franchise actually wants to fire the GM/manager.
The goal of the MLB team is to win games, and for a short week span they managed to do that. It was the most fun the Cubs season has been (I assume). The casual fan, and most hardcores, weren’t leaving the park last week bemoaning the fall of our draft pick or that this might mean they won’t make a head roll. They were excited to see winning baseball.
I think the point he's making
is that since the season is lost, he wants things to set up as well as possible for the future. Finishing eighth worst in baseball instead of fourth worst won’t impact anything at all except our draft postion, so lets shoot for something while we’re shooting for nothing.
Finishing 8th worst is better tha finishing 4th worst.
Shooting for a draft pick just doesn’t make sense to me. One because it’s the MLB draft, and two because we have no idea who’s going #1, let alone #4 or #8 or w/e it may be.
Maybe the casual fan sees it as better.
I don’t. I see it as a non competitive team. Still. No matter where we finish it was still a terrible season. If 4th place in the Central makes you feel better, so be it.
4th place would make me feel better than 5th place, yes.
In May when a certain young pitcher was getting a look on a completely non-competitive team over the likes of guys like Diamond/Ortiz/ADB, there were those who pushed for those three in the name of possibly upping the team’s win total. I made the same argument that you’re making now, as that certain young pitcher has legit ML ability unlike those other three currently. No different now from then to me, except that the team happened to put together a nice winning streak lately that they didn’t pull off then.
I don’t want to imagine the baseball team that chooses to bomb for the sake of draft position and making sure people are fired.
Also,
the point was understood. I don’t agree with it, and I see nothing to be gained from losing. A winning streak isn’t going to save anyone’s job unless it’s in question whether it’s the move Ricketts should make or not, which it is.
I'm not talking about just one winning streak.
I’m talking about if they finish this way. You don’t believe Ricketts could be convinced that this is way they should have played all season? And usually the more highly sought guys are drafted higher. It doesn’t matter if you what their name is right now.
Top 10 is pretty high.
I’m sure Ricketts is already convinced that this past week is how this team woulda/shoulda/coulda played more often.
by SenorGato on Aug 8, 2011 8:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But it's the truth.
The talent level of the individuals on the team shouldn’t add up to close to 100 losses, and that shouldnt be the way he analyzes the team. For instance, if Ramirez isn’t helping the Cubs next year he’ll almost certainly been a gain for another team.
by SenorGato on Aug 8, 2011 2:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree with Ryno...
…most hardcore fans at this point want a plan for the future, and seeing prospects rather than fading vets is a part of that. Don’t focus so much on wins and losses or 4th worst or 8th worst, but put some semblance of a 2012 mini version out there asap. That’s the point Ryno may ultimately be getting at. The Cubs, and in particular Quarry seem most focused on winning now with the opening day lineup to appease the casual fans who want to have fun at Wrigley and enjoy seeing their team win when they go. Many others want to see a plan of how we might get back to the playoffs the next few years.
by jtcitrus on Aug 8, 2011 6:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But other than Jackson
most of the AAA guys that would be called up to showcase 2012 aren’t part of the future either. I suspect Jackson will be up in September but I don’t care either way whether someone like LaHair gets a callup. I know some want Soriano benched for the entire month of September so he can be shamed into retiring. It isn’t going to happen.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
I am with you.
Besides Jackson who else is worthy or truly fits into the plans for 2012? I guess you could argue DJ or Flaherty, but other than those 3 there is no one else. AAA has no one to get any outs in the staff. McNutt is not ready to come up to the big club. It is what it is.
I think Steve Clevenger
should be given a chance to show what he can do. Welington Castillo too, but he’s injured at the moment.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 8, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
One or the other will likely be called up.
Teams like to have three catchers in September.
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Only issue with Clevenger there
is that he isn’t yet on the 40-man. I see a handful of guys who could be bumped, though. Of course, if memory serves, the Cubs are going to need to add a whole mess of guys in the offseason for Rule Five Draft purposes.
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I would like to see
either Clevenger or Castillo get at least half the starts in September, I have little confidence that will happen but it seems to me that Geo Soto’s defense gets worse and worse as the years/games go by, I think he has been given more than enough opportunity to be the Cubs #1 catcher. It pains me to say this because he was at one time one of my favorite players on the team, things have regressed heavily from his first full year in the majors.
People need to step back from the Soto ledge...
The change of heart with him is unbelievable. I’ve never seen a player go from loved to hated to loved to hated so quickly and so often.
It's not LaHair...
It’s Colvin and Jackson. If those guys are splitting time as the third OF in September, I think that’s a mistake.
I believe the manager is Quade.
I believe the majority of the prospects are in A or lower. As I mentioned below, DJ, Jackson and Flaherty are possibilities for 2012. McNutt is on the fringe. If he can get squared away health wise he could battle for a spot in the rotation next year.
I am not a Quade fan by any means. However he is trying to win to save his job. I have no beef with that. Now baseball decisions, I believe we all could go on for hours about his in game moves.
Are you referring to the Human Punching Bag, Jerry Quarry?
And has anyone seen him and Quade in the same room at the same time?
Of course they don't go into the season thinking that
But things change. And I don’t care at what the casual fan thought. I see a little deeper than just “yay we won”
I agree
at this point in the season W’s are counter-productive to the future – the tickets are sold, the fans who are coming are going to come regardless, the only things that matter are the draft pick and the status of the manager/GM
And if Ricketts
hires a Gillick-type to drive the car.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
You know I do too.
If the Cubs have a long term plan winning some games isn’t going to throw it off. Their focus should be on luring Fielder/Pujols here, and making this franchise look like something MLB talent wants to be a part of. That’s as much a part of the future as a high draft pick, if not way more.
I am not a casual fan and I will never push for any team I root for to lose games in the name of a future. That doesn’t signify a plan of any kind to me. I also can’t ever support an MLB fighting for a higher draft pick.
by SenorGato on Aug 8, 2011 9:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You know I do too.
If the Cubs have a long term plan winning some games isn’t going to throw it off. Their focus should be on luring Fielder/Pujols here, and making this franchise look like something MLB talent wants to be a part of. That’s as much a part of the future as a high draft pick, if not way more.
I am not a casual fan and I will never push for any team I root for to lose games in the name of a future. That doesn’t signify a plan of any kind to me. I also can’t ever support an MLB fighting for a higher draft pick.
by SenorGato on Aug 8, 2011 9:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Playing a bunch of young guys
to determine what they can provide to next (and subsequent) year’s team doesn’t signify a plan to you? I’m on the record as saying I would be fine, nay, HAPPY, if the Cubs were winning games with Castro, Barney, Colvin, Flaherty, BJax in the everyday lineup. We need to see more of these guys.
There's a pretty good chance you will...
Which is why I’m saying what I’m saying. Jackson is almost a lock to be up in. September with playing time, and he’s arguably even on pace to be the starting CF next year.
Even then, winning > losing.
by SenorGato on Aug 8, 2011 11:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We've disagreed on this point already
but there honestly is no benefit to winning these meaningless games. No more tickets will be sold because of them. No FA’s will be swayed by a few more wins. They are just pointless. But this is the minor league wrap, so back to the topic at hand!
Why won't FAs be swayed but
Ricketts might be convinced to keep Hendry/Quade? So the only effects winning will have are negative?
I don’t buy that, and can’t.
by SenorGato on Aug 8, 2011 9:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He's saying losing 96 games compared to 100 doesn't make a difference in what FAs think about coming here.
It won't make it worse either.
Nor is it better to lose 100 games just because were almost there anyway.
by SenorGato on Aug 8, 2011 11:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But seeing a 7 game win streak at the end of a rough year may show the FAs there's at least some hope/promise.
Little things can sometimes add up to make a big difference.
Exactly.
Players will notice that. Players will notice 100 losses too, and it’s not likely to turn them onto the idea of coming here even if we have money. No one wants to play for a franchise who just rolled over and died for a season in the name of draft position and firing people.
No one is saying roll over and die
I just don’t want to see Byrd, Soriano, Pena, Ramirez, winning the games. I want the young guys to win or lose.
Young players need vets...
Vets need young players…Its part of the whole concept. It’s never smart to be extreme on one side or the other.
by SenorGato on Aug 8, 2011 2:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We'll just agree to disagree
I agree with a lot of your stuff, but not even close in this situation.
I'm not sure a seven game win streak in early August will sway anyone.
Maybe if they play over .500 ball the last two months it would make a difference to FAs, but I’m not confident that it’ll happen.
There's no way losing 100 games is good unless
the team should have lost 101+.
On Guzman
The Cubs had him throw two innings every fifth day, then recently moved it to every fourth day. His poor outing may indicate that he wasn’t able to recover with one less day.
Angel Guzman is the man.
by cubzfan on Aug 8, 2011 7:11 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I wonder why he's staying at Daytona so long
I would have thought the idea would be to work him back toward the upper levels by now. Is it fair now to assume that a September call-up is unlikely? Or was that always unlikely now that he’s off the 40-man?
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I would hope they wouldn't...
good story and all, but no reason to burn up a 40-man spot until the winter.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 8, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I really like Jackson.
However two guys intrigue me. Marco Hernandez, and Dustin Geiger. I find there names everyday in the boxes.
Geiger is looking like the man.
His ceiling seems pretty high.
by SenorGato on Aug 8, 2011 9:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, he's an interesting one
He doesn’t have much defensive value, so his prospect status is all in his bat. He could really break out next year.
you do mean
DeWitt would get more at bats, no?
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
For once I did not think of that....I forgot we have a manager would play a backup IF over young OF's for no reason.
My mistake
Going soft
on QDog
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
I've had this conversation!
If they were self-respecting, they wouldn’t be a Cub fan.
When i got married, I told my wife, “so now you’re a Cubs fan,” to which she basically replied, “Um, sure?” Five years later, she still hates baseball and is still trying to understand why all of her favorite players play for our rivals. My favorite line this season was, “Why did you pick such a crappy team?” So yeah, I feel you.
Always check the words with the red squiggly line. They mean you probably screwed up.
The thing with my wife
is that she really is a Cubs fan. The Angels are her favorite team, but she cheers for the Cubs with me.
I got lucky. She wasn’t a baseball fan until we me. I just kept taking her to baseball games until she fell in love with the game.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 8, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Your kid was an easier sell
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
What're the chances that Trey McNutt is in the Cubs rotation next season?
"And away we go..."
-Pat Hughes
Probably fairly good
if he pitches like he belongs.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Very little chance he makes it out of spring training
but if he starts out strong in the minors he could be up fairly quickly.
Going to depend on his health
If healthy, he has a very good chance of being in the rotation some time next season.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 8, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
I saw some struggles coming for him this year, and personally as long as he walks out healthy I’m glad he went through them.
I’m really curious to see what kind of pitcher this guy is. He’s got the be one of the most mysterious legit prospects in the minors….His scouting reports read pretty much like Archer (hard fastball, hard breaking ball, change up is developing, has a chance to be a #2 starter but also has a solid floor as he can translate to the bullpen really well), but he’s bigger and throws more strikes so I think he can last as a starter if he makes it at all.
Constantly been battlign blisters on his pitching hands.
which obviously affects the breaking ball, and the velocity on the fastball. also had an injury to his ribs on a defensive play.
deadline for signing our draft picks?
Can someone please tell me when this is and also I haven’t heard any info on progress signing Baez and anyone else besides Gretzky. Any one know any info? Thanks
by bleedinblue76 on Aug 8, 2011 5:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Why can’t I find this thread?
by bleedinblue76 on Aug 8, 2011 6:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Weird but I don’t see a link only the word LINK. Lol
by bleedinblue76 on Aug 8, 2011 6:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions

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