Why You Shouldn't Get Excited Over Bryan LaHair
Written by me for Baseball Nation. We've discussed this quite a bit here, but here's a lot more detail.
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can i be exited for a guy getting a cup of coffee in the bigs?
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Doggie Stalker: Matt Garza
Al Yellon: Brian Lahair
So i you can give you can take it.
by epsilon on Sep 1, 2011 8:22 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good story.
Nice to hear another person express their views on LaHair…wait a minute…I see what you did there. :)
by Don't Fear the Reaper on Sep 1, 2011 8:23 AM CDT reply actions
You didn't read the article, did you?
I found dozens of players exactly like LaHair in the minor leagues. When they got a “chance”, they did… pretty much nothing.
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I think that being a Cubs fan has rotted your outlook on life
If LaHair was given a “chance” on did nothing, what do have to lose. The season is lost, if the Cubs lost every game for the rest of the year, would it really change anything?
by Don't Fear the Reaper on Sep 1, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
What I want is to see the Cubs move on and get actual players who can help the team.
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That isn't going to happen this September.
So in the meantime, how about you chill about LaHair?
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by Nunyabidness on Sep 1, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously.
The guy (LaHair) has worked hard and is getting another shot at the big leagues. Stories like this just make you feel good. No one is suggesting that he’s a viable candidate to start next year. Writing an article like this is just stupid and waste of space.
by kanderber on Sep 1, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Why? What magical things do you believe will happen between now and the 2012 season...
that will make paying Brian LaHair a very small amount of $ to play 1B and OF a mistake?
Giving Pena an new mulit-year contract isn’t going to make this team a contender in 2012 or 2013. Unless we get one of those fantastic shiny FA 1Bmen this offseason, there isn’t anyone so great that we couldn’t at least let LaHair or anyone else in the system have a month trying to see if they’re a bust or not at the ML level.
This team is going to start at the bottom and have to work it’s way up the ladder Al, paying Pena $10 million per for the next 2 or 3 years isn’t going to change that. I’m not calling for a Brian LaHair bobble head night, I’m pointing out that you’re position of “We’ve seen this guy before, he’s just (fill in the blank) 2.0” is EXACTLY the kind of thinking our former GM seemed to enjoy taking. There is ZERO harm is giving Brain LaHair another shot with this team…ZERO. The worst possible thing that could happen is that he fails and get’s released. Why is that such a dangerous thing?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 1, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
My problem with your stance on this issue
is that your set in stone about it. It’s like you can see into the future and you know he’s not going to be any good! Do I think he is going to be? I don’t know, probably not, but it seems like giving the guy 10 starts in September this year sure won’t hurt! Heck maybe the guy plays well enough to get a few starts next year, and ph appearances. Am I excited about lahair. Absolutely not, but I think there is a very very small chance he could be the exception to your article.(which was well written by the way)
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by Notsnud on Sep 1, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I'm wrong about LaHair, I'll be happy to say so.
But I don’t think I’m wrong.
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Fair enough
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And Fwiw
I think most people on this site when it comes to lahair don’t think your wrong. We just think he deserves a shot to prove your right!
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LOL
Let me be clear. I’m not ROOTING for him to fail. I just don’t think that Triple-A performance will translate to MLB. (And, he’s bad defensively.)
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Odds are you're not wrong but I'm convinced you're not a soothsayer..
..so I’m willing to give him a few weeks in September.
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Well, you'll never know unless he's given a chance.
Have you ever heard of Casey McGehee? He was in the Cubs system for six years, and finally at age 26, he was given a few at bats and quickly removed from the 40 man roster. The Brewers picked him up in the Rule V draft and he quickly had a nice year the following year. Then he drove in 100 runs and now bats behind Prince Fielder on a real team.
The Cubs have proven that they have difficulty with developing young talent. Under the past few managers they have trouble getting them into games and they are singled out for things while veterans are excused.
The point is, that most Cubs fans are sick of watching this bunch. THE SEASON IS OVER. It doesn’t matter who is out there anymore. What are we playing for, fourth or fifth place? Bring up Jackson already, and let him play in the OF with Colvin EVERY DAY. Give Campana a majority of the starts in LF. Let LaHair play most of the games at 1B. Tell the veterans that they just didn’t get it done this year and that they can sit.
It doesn’t matter how many games we lose. The call-ups will gain valuable experience. I won’t hold my breath for this though, because our management seems to be on target to bring back pretty much the same team next year and then they’ll wonder why we finish in 5th place again and have even less attendance. Some people in the Cubs management need to wake up.
That's a little harsh, don'tcha think?
There does seem to be a certain contingent of the Cubs’ fanbase who have taken up LaHair’s case — just like the presumably same contingent did for Micah Hoffpauir. Al’s just trying to lend some historical perspective.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
Except that for the most part, people are taking up his case to play this September.
With Hoff, people were claiming he should have been starting in April, over Derek Lee.
HUGE HUGE HUGE difference
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That's true to a certain extent.
Maybe I’m just unclear on what the argument is about here. I read Al’s article as simply a warning to not read too much into LaHair’s video game stats at Iowa this season and to not look at him as a long-term solution at first base next season.
Personally, I have no problem with LaHair getting a September call-up and, as I mention below, I can even see a certain amount of financial sense in giving him a shot at the job in 2012 if it helps the Cubs have another productive draft.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
Given that LaHair's name has come up every day
for the last month – whether it was here or every single paper and/or site – it seems worth discussing on a regular basis.
(And Al’s take is spot on.)
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by Brett Taylor on Sep 1, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks.
I presume we’ll get to find out, starting Monday or Tuesday. I haven’t heard for sure, but I’m guessing LaHair will get a callup.
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You're right about that.
Quade said in the paper yesterday that he’d get a spot start here and there at 1B and the OF. It’s clear that we will continue to watch the same bad baseball (and management) for the rest of the season.
Hopefully we get a GM with a brain who ends all of this complete nonsense. Do they not understand that we are the laughing stock of baseball?
In the last 5 years, who has been the Cubs 1B?
Derrek Lee, Xavier Nady, and Carlos Pena. LaHair only could have replaced Nady on the big league team for 1B contention. There has been cases where a prospect rots in AAA because there is no place to put in in the MLB.
by Don't Fear the Reaper on Sep 1, 2011 8:40 AM CDT reply actions
LaHair hasn't been in the Cubs system for the last five years.
He was with Seattle as recently as 2008.
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At Seattle, their starting 1B from 2005-2008 was Richie Sexson on a 4yr/50MM contract.
He was blocked by, at the time, a 15.5MM/yr guy. I don’t think Seattle at the time was ready to eat that and play LaHair. Everywhere LaHair has been he’s been blocked.
They could have played LaHair at 1B and put Sexson at DH, right?
But they didn’t do that.
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Oh.
Well, that would be a problem.
Vidro could have played another IF position, right?
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He used to play 2B some. But that would mean moving Jose Lopez off of 2B.
Vidro was their DH in 2007-2008 spot starting at 2B(10 times) and 1B(20 times).
The Seattle Mariners.
The Chicago Cubs of the Pacific Northwest.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Both teams have won 116 games in a season.
So there’s that.
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It had nothing to do with eating Sexson's contract...
which they eventually did anyway. Sexson was sucking and/or injured, and still LaHair never stood out, and didn’t do anything with the shot they gave him. The Mariners acquired Russell Branyan for peanuts, and he beat LaHair out for a job. Vidro also sucked from the moment the Mariners acquired him… basically the worst DH in the league. The Mariners didn’t play LaHair because he wasn’t worth playing at the time. They didn’t let him go because they had some stud 1B prospect that needed to play at the AAA level. He just wasn’t worth the effort to keep on their roster. Good job to whoever with the Cubs signed him to stock their AAA roster. Good job to LaHair for getting that far, because he didn’t look like he’d even amount to that when I saw him stink in A-ball in 03.
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by jameslcrockett on Sep 2, 2011 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm on the fence...
maybe because I’m reading Moneyball right now. LaHair seems to be exactly the guy you would at least take a look at. First of all, I don’t get the age thing only because Pena is 33. Thing is, I would not like to see Castro with anymore errors next year, would be bad for his confidence IMO. We need a guy like him defensively at first, mostly because of Castro. This is just the way I’m seeing it.
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Pena has been a major league regular and has had success.
LaHair is nearly 29 and hasn’t.
I didn’t even mention LaHair’s defense in the Baseball Nation article. It’s… not good. That may be one of the reasons he’s never made it.
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How bad is it?
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Pretty bad.
I have seen him play in two spring trainings. Balls that Carlos Pena swipes out of the dirt or stretches to catch, LaHair cannot make plays on.
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see....that's the part that sways me
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My suggestion
Keep reading the book.
As for the age issue, the point is that Pena did not start his MLB career at 29.
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I will keep reading...I really like it :)
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I would have preferred if you would have said
“I will keep reading it” and just stopped there.
The smiley face is unnecessary since I was intentionally being a dick.
Its OK to drop the super nice act once in awhile.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
how's this....you really are a dick....good job! :D
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by cooliogirl47 on Sep 1, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Thank you!
Made my morning, and I am dead serious.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
Dude.
Unneccessary.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
You and jmr are right
I make many mistakes.
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thanks TJ, cat and jerry for sticking up for me...
I thought being nice to each other was what this site was all about, my bad
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No matter which way I am going on the Cubs...CG has always been nice.....
No reason at all to go after her….
gotta be the most unnecessary comment I've seen here, ever...
Did you consider that perhaps it’s not an act? Grow some class.
Agree coolio has always seemed genuinely nice
never seemed like an act. And I enjoy the :). It’s a breath of fresh air after scrolling threw the grumpy people
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Come on.
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Al, while I sometimes disagree with your aversion to journeymen ...
I agree with you on LaHair — to a point. There’s no way that the guy will ever be a star in the bigs and I doubt he’ll even be someone who holds down a starting job.
That said, I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing if he has any Daryle Ward-style skills. If he plays well as a callup in September, I’d definitely be interested to see if he could make the club as a reserve next year.
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I do believe he's played some OF too.
by jerry morales rules on Sep 1, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Only a little.
And I bet he’s as good as Micah Hoffpauir was out there.
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Just wondering
Isn’t LaHair actually pronounced Kila Ka’aihue?
by krummy12 on Sep 1, 2011 9:05 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
OK, so I was wrong about Kila.
So were a lot of people. I should point out that Kila was 27 this year and was essentially on his last shot.
If he tore up Triple-A next year, I’d say the same thing about him that I have said about LaHair.
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At the time, you attributed the reason he couldn't be played
on the fact that there were highly paid veterans standing in front of him at first.
I have no data, but I feel confident that the hardest position to move into from the minors is first base, given how important they are both defensively and offensively in the modern game. People are just not nearly as willing to take a flyer on what’s considered a marginal prospect at a key position, so guys like Pena (Kingman-lite stats and all) hold those jobs forever.
IF he has a successful callup and also does well in ST, I could easily see him like elgato does – off the bench, giving rest to the starter, and the occasional left handed PH. I don’t see him mashing Pujols type numbers, but at least a decent shot in September after the year he’s had in the minors isn’t going to break the Cubs.
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by NobodySpecial on Sep 1, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
A well researched article, Al.
And I absolutely positively agree that the chances LaHair “turns into anything” are awfully slim.
But there’s one thing… that leads to one small possibility… that I just can’t get past: what does it hurt to bring him up in September and give him some starts?
Will it hurt Carlos Pena’s feelings? Will Starlin Castro’s confidence be shattered when LaHair can’t scoop one throw Pena would have?
Again… I have absolutely no belief LaHair is the answer or that it is very likely he is a major league contributor in any way, shape, or form.
But I just don’t see any harm in bringing him up, giving him some starts (~8…. two a week?) and taking a look (along with ST) to see if maybe he could be a LH PH with some power (a la Daryl Ward) for a couple of seasons?
I mean… by not trading Pena to the Yankees, they’ve functionally told him they would strongly consider bringing him back (pending the new GM, of course), so it’s not like you’d bring up LaHair to take his job.
While there’s very, very little upside to LaHair… I just don’t see the downside in a little September time, either. He either plays well and you give him one more flyer in ST to make the team off the bench or he doesn’t play well and the general suspicions about his AAAA-e-ness are reinforced.
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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
by fsuapollo on Sep 1, 2011 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Agreed
Will he be the next Daryle Ward? Probably not, but you never know.
Good things come to those who wait... and wait....and wait.
this, to me is a great compromise :)
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I agree
I don’t think there’s much upside there, but also, what is it going to hurt? Would it really be the worst thing to promote a guy for a month of MLB experience at least in reward for the season he’s had?
If there was someone else that might be able to benefit from some Sept AB’s that might be a good part of the future, I wouldn’t suggest LaHair getting some playing time, but I don’t see who that would be.
by jerry morales rules on Sep 1, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Or, you play him ...
…and some other team (that Al doesn’t blog for) sees an upside in him and he’s used as a trade “throw in”. If he hits 40 HRs in AAA and he’s not in the Cubs future…then why keep him?
Good job, Tom...now on to the manager problem.
"Needling"?
Hardly. Just trying to back up my position.
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I think he's being called up
because Hendry (and Fleita) told him that if he came back with Iowa again, and did well, they would give him another taste of the majors. I hope for his sake that he gets to start a few games, doesn’t embarrass himself defensively, and hits a couple mammoth taters. That will top off what should have been a fun season in AAA, and be a good message to the rest of the minor leaguers that the Cubs follow through and reward players who work hard and keep up their end of the bargain. Then his agent can shop around for a spring invite as a DH/ph, or look for a contract in Japan. Baseball players are people, too. I agree with Al that fans shouldn’t be expecting much, but with that said, let the guy have some fun.
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by cubzfan on Sep 1, 2011 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This is a valid view to take.
Understood and appreciated.
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Solid historical perspective, Al.
The only thing LaHair really offers the Cubs is cost savings. If the team decides to move on from Pena (which seems doubtful at the moment) and chooses to stay out of the Pujols/Fielder sweepstakes (or loses out in those sweepstakes), it could set up a LaHair/Baker platoon at first base and channel those savings into another great draft.
I’d expect LaHair to look a lot like Hoffpauir at the major league level. Nice looking swing, occasional pop…but overall a disappointment and pretty shaky defensively. I guess I’d at least hope he’d look better than Brad Snyder. Man, that was just sad.
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I don't give a shit about this...
I wish we had more than one player I cared about. 2014 can’t get here soon enough.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 1, 2011 11:41 AM CDT reply actions
Why...you going to Sochi, Russia for the Winter Olympics?
Good job, Tom...now on to the manager problem.
Who's the one player you care about?
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by Unique on Sep 1, 2011 12:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Koyie Hill, duh.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 1, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish
the Cubs had called up Andres Torres in 2008. He was 30 when he tore up the PCL for the Iowa Cubs. He never got a chance here, signed with the Giants and gave them a season and a half of superior play in the majors. He’s been worse this season and hurt, but he’s still in the Giants plans for the future.
Good example
that you shouldn’t just give up on people because they are older. Sometimes the light comes on later on.
Michael Morse
One comparison I didn’t see in your article. It’s also one that would be very difficult to reconcile with the hard-line view against giving LaHair a chance.
Nothing about Morse’s history would have caused you to think that this year, at 29, he would suddenly put it all together and be a force for the Nationals. He reached the big leagues at 23, and played fairly well, but didn’t hit for much power even though he played a power position. He then spent his age 24, 25 and 26 seasons in the M’s minor league system; and spent most of his 27 year old season between the M’s and Nats’ minor league systems. At 28 he was on the Nats’ big league club, used mostly as a reserve/platoon player (on a team that was filled with guys who were not ready for prime time). That was the plan for this year too, but then what do you know, Adam LaRoche gets injured and Morse, at 29, gets his first real shot at playing everyday in the big leagues. And what does he do with that chance? Oh, nothing special: .317/.373/.559/.933 with 24 HRs and 77 RBI in basically four months of baseball to this date.
You have a very good point when you say we’ve seen this before, both with the Cubs (Hoffpauier, Jake Fox) and with other teams. And maybe the odds are not in LaHair’s favor. But the idea that LaHair is just too old to have a breakthrough doesn’t stack up. You just don’t know until they give him a shot – a real one, not just a September cup of coffee – and let him show what he can do. If he actually plays well, you won’t find a lot of people in the District of Columbia who consider that news to be surprising.
by Orval Overall on Sep 1, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I thought about Morse.
But as you said, nothing in his history suggested he’d do what he’s doing this year. I looked at guys who DID have big minor league numbers, but didn’t get a major league chance.
It remains to be seen if Morse can repeat his big year this year.
I stand by my point, that the overwhelming majority of guys who do what LaHair has done in Triple-A are simply not major league players.
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And there are some who are.
And since playing him in September hurts this team not one iota, your drumbeat against him is bizarre
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Call it what you will.
I just don’t think he is a major league player — having actually seen him play.
You disagree. Fair enough.
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Several times over two spring trainings.
How many games? I dunno for sure, maybe a dozen. It’s not a lot, but I’d wager it’s a dozen more than anyone else here has.
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I've seen Alfonso Soriano play dozens of times...
he sucks.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 1, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I have to wonder if he's being penalized from the Cubs spring training because he had the likes of Theriot throwing from SS and couldn't get the ball to him.
As you likely know, errors aren't the best way to evaluate a 1B.
Did players make throws to him that someone like Carlos Pena would have handled, but LaHair couldn’t, resulting in an error to the thrower?
ISTR some things like that.
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But if that's the distinction between Morse and LaHair
it’s one that gives LaHair a BETTER chance for success than you would have assigned to Morse at the same point of their career. The fact that LaHair has torn apart AAA pitching in a way that Morse never did is, if anything, a point for the other side of the debate.
by Orval Overall on Sep 1, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Possible, I suppose.
Was Morse injured? I’m not sure why he never put up numbers like this in AAA.
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Question, Al.
Don’t you think it’s worth looking at LaHair in a lost season for a few weeks just to see if he could even be a valuable bench player?
I’m with you that LaHair’s not any kind of answer at first. But if the Cubs think he could be a fourth outfielder/backup first baseman/pinch hitter in 2012, they might be freed up to, say, trade Tyler Colvin in a package for pitching.
You’re right that we shouldn’t get excited. But there’s no harm in giving the guy some September at-bats.
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I suppose not.
But he really isn’t a good defensive player. Trying him in the outfield is like giving Micah Hoffpauir OF time — you remember how mediocre he was playing outfield.
So he’s a DH. We don’t have the DH in the NL. And if we did, we already have a guy who’s first in line for that position.
Unless you expand rosters this offseason, there’s no room for a guy who is strictly a lefthanded power bat on the bench.
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Actually, there is precedent for this.
Daryl Ward, when he got to the Cubs, was essentially what you’re describing. He also earned (IIRC) $1 million to do it. Now, that’s relatively small when it comes to MLB salaries. But it’s a lot more than LaHair would make next year.
In retrospect, the real bad move here was to not have LaHair play first last year after Lee was traded. I suppose the Cubs wanted to see if Nady was worth considering for the job in 2011, but that sure was dumb.
Lastly, in deciding about the other bench players — notably, Blake DeWitt and Jeff Baker — it’s important to know what LaHair can do. Baker can’t hit righties, and DeWitt would be a long-term black hole at first given his bat. And if Colvin never figures it out, he might not stick, meaning the Cubs could have a serious lack of depth at first should their starting 1B (whoever that is) go down.
I guess what I’m saying is that it would be very good to know if Bryan LaHair is good enough to remove any reason the Cubs might have to keep DeWitt AND Baker. So, we ought to give LaHair some at-bats this month.
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by elgato on Sep 1, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Daryl Ward, when he got to the Cubs, was essentially what you’re describing.
Wait, what? Daryle Ward, when he got to the Cubs, had almost 2000 MLB at-bats, had hit 76 MLB home runs and been a part of two playoff teams with the Astros.
That’s way, WAY different than what Bryan LaHair brings to the table.
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I mean, the role that Ward played.
Obviously, he had much more MLB time than LaHair has.
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What do you base your assessment on about him being bad defensively?
Because you saw him in a few spring training games? Sometimes people just have a bad day.
If the 2012 GM were on hand presently,
he could arguably justify call BL up see if he could drum up some trade value. Since he isn’t, calling BL up is a reasonably harmless shell game. At his best, we’ll try to run him through waivers (see McGahee, Casey) and bring him back in 2012 as a Non-Roster Invitee. The problem is, few teams are clamoring for a hitter that can barely play first.
If I thought we could showcase him in September and get another Abner Abreu-type in trade, I would be less inclined to be upset about him stealing ABs from Tyler Colvin (who actually does need September ABs).
The only upside I see would be ‘wise usage’ (see Quade, Mike ?) of BL may keep Carlos Pena a Type B free agent. If picks can be netted from using the arbitration system to our advantage on Pena and Ramirez, something good may come from this season yet.
We have 8 guys (or so) that need to be added to the 40 Man roster to avoid inclusion in the Rule 5 draft. I don’t imagine our new GM will value BL over Ryan Flaherty, Matt Szczur, or Josh Vitters. Andrew Cashner will need to be re-added at some point as well. Yeah, we have quite a few disposable pieces to DFA/Release. Unless LaHair can show he can represent against lefties, he will add to the list.
Will LaHair’s 40 ABs make or break the Cubs? No. Could they be better invested? Probably. Would I prefer to see LaHair on the 40 Man Roster over Jeff Beliveau? Not a chance in ……
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Fine points one and all.
There are roster considerations to, uh, consider as well.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
Ways to free up 40 man roster spots
John Grabow (free agent), Marcus Mateo (DFA), Koyie Hill (non-tender), Carlos Pena (free agent), Marlon Byrd (trade), Ramon Ortiz (release), and Lopez (release).
Man.
Maybe I should reconsider the Fielder over Pujols thing. He’s back to being not human again.
And oh.. I’m tired of discussing LaHair. He won’t be at first for the Cubs next year.
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by Unique on Sep 1, 2011 5:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
We're not getting either of them.
Fielder will play in the playoffs this year, and I think the Brewers will go far with their pitching, bullpen, and powerful line-up. Especially if they are as hot as they are now when they enter October.
I think Fielder will stay, as will Pujols, after both of them use the Cubs and other teams to drive up the price. So it looks like Carlos Pena, Tyler Colvin, or someone else at 1B next year. Why not examine all of the possibilities?
To even argue against a September call up for LaHair is beyond ridiculous.
AAA MVP? Regardless of how you feel about it, he’s earned the right at another look, as a fan of baseball you should be championing what could be a nice story.
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by troutfishin on Sep 1, 2011 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
But seriously, what kind of "nice story" is this?
He’s not going to get much playing time, not the way Mike Quade operates. He’ll pinch hit twice a week and probably strike out both times, and maybe get a start against the Astros.
We’re not going to see the guy who pounded Triple-A pitching anyway.
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Has he not earned another look at the MLB level?
and what you’ve just described another inadequacy of this current coaching staff. He gets brought up and Quade should be told "your playing the kids to see what we have, regardless. "
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
Agreed on the coaching staff problem.
Who’s going to tell him that?
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Ricketts should.
Or Bush should. Honestly, why did we name him the acting GM anyway if they’re not going to allow him to do his job?
They mine as well named Kermit the Frog or Fozzy Bear as GM.
You're right about his pinch hits.
He’ll get to play like most of the other rookies under Quade and Piniella’s watch. Bat 8th (with nothing to hit) when they rarely do play, and pinch hit a few times a week against the other teams’ closers. And then all of the geniuses on here will scream about how they can’t hit.
It’s not his fault that he isn’t given a fair shake like other teams would give him.
While I do agree that he should get a few starts with the Cubs...
It’s not always as easy as “could be a nice story.” LaHair would need to be added to the 40 man roster. Yes, there are players that could easily be removed (and will) at the end of the year, but there are also a lot of players rule 5 eligible this year. You’ll likely have to try and slip LaHair back through waivers to get a minor league assignment. Yes, it’s likely he’ll make it back to AAA, but what if you lose him to another team and our 1B next year gets injured? LaHair may not be great, but he’s a decent insurance policy. Being nice for 5-6 games may not be worth the risk.
This is a weird argument.
The Cubs didn’t even have 40 players on their 40 man roster at any pertinent time during this discussion. Even now, 18 days later, with LaHair hitting everything in sight, there are like 5-6 spots on the 40 man that are entirely dead weight.
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Play him in September.
Goodness. What a waste of a baseball season anyways. This year only proved that Castro has the shot of being a consistent All-Star, Barney maybe a second-baseman, Cubs still suck with runners on, take no pitches, run bases like they belong in Williamsport and Quade can’t manage. Why in the world would it hurt to play LeHair 4 games a week.?
Who would LaHair be blocking
if he was brought up this September? Quade’s view of Campana sitting next to him on the bench.
If it wasn't for the injuries, we'd be printing WS tickets right now.
Al, I don't get your lack of consistency
Last offseason, you were lobbying to try out Kila Ka’aihue, who was 2 years younger than LaHair is now and whose numbers in the PCL over multiple seasons were not as good. If Kila was worth acquiring for a low level prospect, why is it not worth trying out LaHair when it is free???? Is the grass really that much greener in Kansas City’s pasture?
To be fair...
Kila had 2 of his previous 3 years where his wOBA (.456, .368, .458) was higher than LaHair’s career best wOBA (.442) from this year. Add that to the fact he was 26 and only in the PCL for 3 years, he did look much more promising than LaHair does right now.
With that said, I wasn’t a backer of Kila taking over the 1B job this year anyway, but at least just pointing out why that isn’t exactly inconsistent.
And Kila was younger then, than LaHair is now.
Obviously, I was wrong about Kila. So were the Royals.
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Al, I read your work all the time and greatly admire it,
but don’t post here much so please understand that I mean no disrespect when I comment on this Lahair saga. I understand your stance on Lahair, although I disagree with it, and when I opened this post I fully expected you to sway me to your line of thinking. You said nothing new here and in fact more or less convinced me that view is flawed.
I don’t care how many times you say it we’re not gonna learn anything about Bryan Lahair by learning about Jack Cust, Ernie Young, Micah Hoffpauir or anyone else for that matter. I understand your point here but they aren’t him.
And giving him playing time in the 22 games the Cubs have remaining after Labor Day won’t really tell us much about his ability to hit major league pitching, either.
Excuse me, by using your logic here then there will be no late blooming minor league pitchers getting a chance in the last 22 games either. Well we all know this isn’t true and the pitching will be somewhat watered down.
So if he hits in the last 22 games what will that prove?
It will prove that he can hit somewhat watered down pitching in those games!
And until you show me that at this point in his career, that he can’t hit regular major league pitching in April, May or June or the rest of the season then I guess we’ll never know wiil we?
You made this quote down below your article.
It would just mean more if LaHair were putting these sorts of numbers up and he was 23, instead of almost 29.
Yes, but he isn’t and it still doesn’t take us away from the crux of the argument.
Look, I understand that we’re all looking for stars here but how can we find out if Lahair has the slightest chance of being a star if we aren’t willing to find out if he’s serviceable
by Lomez969 on Sep 2, 2011 10:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If September doesn't mean anything...
then why did we hire Quade in the first place? Double standards to me.






















