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Cubs Bury Reds Under Home Run Barrage, 12-8

Aramis Ramirez of the Chicago Cubs receives congratulations after hitting a home run during the game against the Cincinnati Reds at Great American Ball Park in Cincinnati, Ohio. The Cubs defeated the Reds 12-8.  (Photo by John Grieshop/Getty Images)

Where has this been all year?

I know, I know, it's September. But the Cubs are unleashing offense on unsuspecting teams and winning with double-digit run-scoring. This was unheard-of just a couple of months ago. The Cubs have now scored 22 runs in their last two games, going into double digits in both. They haven't done that in more than two years; the last time a Cubs team scored 10 runs or more in consecutive games was July 29 and July 30, 2009, when they put up back-to-back 12-spots on the Astros at Wrigley Field. (Hmmm. Astros coming in this weekend. Maybe this streak can keep going.)

Not only that, the Cubs have scored 18 runs in their last 10 innings of play after scoring six in the ninth inning on Sunday night against the Mets in New York. Monday night wound up 12-8 in favor of the Cubs over the Reds, and thank heavens for James Russell -- because if Ramon Ortiz had been left in much longer, Carlos Marmol might have had to come into the game.

Starlin Castro -- who homered, hit two doubles and scored four runs -- and Aramis Ramirez (25th homer, matching Billy Williams as the only Cubs to have six seasons of 30+ doubles and 25+ HR) led the 16-hit barrage, which also included a home run by Jeff Baker and a double by Geovany Soto. Geo was thrown out trying to stretch the double into a triple. Usually, you'd be upset watching that, but even though the score was only 5-3 Cubs at the time, you had the sense they'd be scoring more.

Star-divide

Which they did, extending the lead to 10-3 before Rodrigo Lopez also decided he'd give up a bunch of home runs. Four of them, in fact, including one that was said to be the second-longest ever at GABP, hit by Juan Francisco (the only longer one was hit by Adam Dunn in 2004). Brandon Phillips hit two off Lopez and Reds rookie Devin Mesoraco -- who they hope will take over their starting catching job next year -- hit his first MLB home run.

Lopez has now allowed 18 home runs in 85.2 innings and has posted a 1.55 WHIP and 5.04 ERA. Extrapolate that HR pace to 200 innings and it would result in 42 dingers allowed. Seriously -- Lopez is bad. He's a fifth starter on a bad team, like he was for last year's Diamondbacks (or this year's Cubs). If the Cubs hope to even improve in 2012 (and I'm not even necessarily talking about contending), they have to find a better fifth starter. (Maybe Jason Marquis is available to return. He'll be a free agent. He'd be better.)

The Cubs' run barrage of the last couple of days has increased their season total to 608, which ranks eighth in the National League. That's decent; if the team had a league-average pitching staff (league average is 610 runs allowed) they'd likely be a .500 ballclub. However, the 705 runs allowed is just about league-worst; only the Astros (719) have given up more. In this way, this team is reminscent of the 1975 Cubs, who were third in the NL in offense with 712 runs (and set the team record for walks in a season, 650), but finished 75-87 because they gave up 88 more runs than anyone else (827). Fix the pitching problem with this team and you may very soon see a contender.

The 2011 Cubs, who hit bottom on July 30 at 42-65, 23 games under .500, have gone 23-17 since then. If they go 10-5 in their remaining games -- not impossible -- they'd match the 1975 club (and coincidentally, last year's, too). I wouldn't worry too much about a strong finish saving Mike Quade's job; the new general manager will likely have his own ideas about who should manage this team going forward.

The Cubs will go for four in a row -- a place they've visited just once before this season, when they won seven straight -- tonight at GABP. Maybe they'll hit more home runs. It's fun to watch.

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you had the sense they’d be scoring more

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by katie casey on Sep 13, 2011 7:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Oops.

I meant to say that is always nice.

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by katie casey on Sep 13, 2011 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping for more than another fifth starter.

Like a first and second starter.

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by katie casey on Sep 13, 2011 7:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Was going to post this.

If we get a No. 1 or No. 2, Randy Wells can be our No. 5.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not trying to be pessimistic, but...

No. 1 and no. 2 starters are going to be really hard to find this off-season. Very little in the Free Agent world, and probably would have to give up a lot to get one via the trade world.

Atlanta, Tampa seem to have a lot in their minor league system. Question is if we can pull off a decent trade to get some of that talent (without gutting our own future).

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on Sep 13, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

And *everyone*

wants CJ Wilson. He’s going to get PAID. Probably more than he’s actually worth (which is, itself, considerable).

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by Brett Taylor on Sep 13, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

Does anybody really want to outbid the Yankees who are (probably) already prepared to overpay?

by jerry morales rules on Sep 13, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate night games, when they do this, but seeing the W on the web when I wake up is cool.

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 13, 2011 7:51 AM CDT reply actions  

... oh and thank you for the good mornings in the game thread.

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 13, 2011 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

THIS

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 13, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not if the best day of the Winter

is the day the Cubs ink Theo Epstein or Andrew Friedman, for example.

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by Brett Taylor on Sep 13, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

the day the Cubs ink

Epstein will be the greatest day in the history of the world…sans Christmas (sorry non-Christians, but you get no props here)

by hansman1982 on Sep 13, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or Easter.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run FOR Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Sep 13, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reggie was "Mr. October," Dave Winfield was "Mr. May" with the Yankees,

and if the Cubs do go 10-5 the rest of the way, how can we deny Mike Quade the title of “Mr. September”? Don’t be so sure Q’s a goner if Billy Beane is the new GM. Remember, Randy Bush and Beane go back almost as far as Randy and Quade.

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Sep 13, 2011 7:57 AM CDT reply actions  

You meant Quade and Beane.

Well, true, Quade did once work for Beane. But remember also, Beane fired him after three years as a coach for a playoff team.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I also meant Bush and Beane were teammates at Minnesota in the mid-80's.

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Sep 13, 2011 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

True.

Do you think that means that Beane would keep Bush as assistant GM if Beane ere hired?

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

*were

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have no idea, but it did seem odd last month that only Hendry was fired...

…while Quade’s presumed champion and protector moved into Jim’s chair, albeit on an interim basis.

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Sep 13, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, they had to have SOMEONE run the shop for a couple months.

It’s not like there were a ton of people available on an interim basis.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, if Wilken or Fleita had been asked to fill-in, it would have been tough...

…to ask either man to step aside and go back to his old job at the end of the season.

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Sep 13, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Bush was told to watch the store for six weeks.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to wonder why Hendry stepped down

before the season ended or iif that was his decision when he was told 3 weeks earlier that he was on the way out. Since it seems like the new GM won’t be named until the end of the season and Hendry agreed to stay for awhile anyways – why didn’t he just stay until October?

by doofus cubs guy on Sep 13, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is a good question.

IIRC Al even stated a few times that if Hendry were fired, it wouldn’t happen until the season was over. I suppose it could have been a PR move since it was inevitable anyway?? Ticket sales etc. down, Ricketts might have figured he would ease fans’ mind by knowing that he is doing something right now.

by adam316 on Sep 13, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sheesh.

I think you guys are reading too much into this. Does it really matter?

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

No it doesn't

The whole discussion amounts to a hill of beane’s.

by adam316 on Sep 13, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

ISWYDT

heh.

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by Archie on Sep 13, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're literally reading NOTHING into it. He simply voiced a question.

You get really, really REALLY touchy when someone questions Tom Ricketts

Are you aware that it’s obvious to others?

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obvious in what way?

You’re making assumptions based on things that have happened. That’s fine — but you also seem to get REALLY touchy when I say, “Hey, it might not have happened that way.”

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's obvious in the way that others have also told you that.

And I don’t get touchy when you say “it might not have happened that way.”’

I get touchy when you say that, then proceed to behave as if you KNOW how it happened.

Or when you get all touchy because someone doesn’t agree with something Ricketts did.

Or in this case, when all the guy said was "I wonder why Hendry was fired in August, when there was no real intention of hiring his replacement until after the season and you jumped in with “YOU’RE READING TO MUCH INTO THIS!”

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

And what assumptions are you even referring to?

“You’re making assumptions based on things that have happened.”

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, maybe I jumped ahead a step here.

It seemed to me that the poster above was assuming something was going on behind the scenes because Hendry was fired in August (actually July) with no replacement lined up.

All I was saying was, “you may be reading too much into that”.

I don’t think that’s a defense of Ricketts, nor a reason for you to jump all over me for (allegedly) doing that.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps to maintain fan and media interest in the Cubs...

…by repeating the formula used last year for the six weeks of speculation that marked Rynofest. It’s a tradition!

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"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Sep 13, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

not funny!!!!!

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Sep 13, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Guten Morgen!

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 13, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

good morning!

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Sep 13, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Late afternoon here, y'all done good last night... ;-)

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 13, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

We didn't even know how to jump.

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by katie casey on Sep 13, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

First you bend your knees...

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 13, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

we celebrated the harvest moon with the Cubs...

they were trying to hit the moon last night :)

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by cooliogirl47 on Sep 13, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

It sure sounded like it on the audio archive

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 13, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wie Gehtes Ihnen?

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on Sep 13, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mir geht es gut, danke. Und dir?

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 13, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rynofest or Beano-rama...

Sadly, the end result for both may prove to be the same.

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Sep 13, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

well we have won a lot of games under Bush

I think we should hire him!!!!!!!! (NOT) I’m not a big fan of winning meaningless games. It is better than losing but I still want Q gone.

by LT on Sep 13, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe after a good September our interim GM will.... No I don't want to go there....

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 13, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I will not believe Quade will be gone until it is announced.....

We were burned by a good September last year….I am worried it will happen again.

by TJ11 on Sep 13, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know...But I am still worried.

I think whoever comes in even if its the greatest GM ever, will take a giant credibility hit if he leaves most of the coaching staff in place.

This is the Cubs and the Cubs do stupid things……So I will believe it when I see it…..

by TJ11 on Sep 13, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ricketts is amazing!!!!!

Seriously, this is new ownership and about to be at least a new GM. I think you need to give them a chance before you think stupid things will keep happening. If Q is still around a month from now I will join you in your chorus.

by LT on Sep 13, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you are correct....

I also think Quade will probably be gone….But as I said, I will believe it when I see it.

by TJ11 on Sep 13, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see what you mean...

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 13, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bush's Baked Beans?

But will they be able to keep Quade from spilling the beans?

by ddoubleheader on Sep 13, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

So if Quade was a Beane "has beane" once, we can hope he will be made a "has beane" again?

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 13, 2011 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I've beane hoping that Beane will be our next GM, for just this reason... ;-)

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 13, 2011 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

To Beane or not to Beane:

that is the question.

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by katie casey on Sep 13, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I see what you did there.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

With beanes the Cubs will have plenty of gas.

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 13, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Beane joins...

will the Cubs become the Beane Babies?

by ddoubleheader on Sep 13, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only if they go all-young.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Delmon

Eric JR, and Cy for pitching coach

I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.

by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marquis....

What contract price and # of years would you be happy seeing him signed for? The contract that Hendry signed him to seemed to be the major issue people had with Marquis during his tenure. Just curious….

by cubbiefanTN on Sep 13, 2011 8:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Marquis just turned 33.

He is finishing up a two-year, $15 million deal. I’m guessing you might be able to get him for two years and $11 million. I’d do that.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't.

Not with the Cubs’ current financial situation. I’d rather spend big money on a starter or two, push everybody else down a spot or two and therefore eliminate the need to pay $11 million for 2 years of Jason Marquis.

This was something the Cubs did a lot under Hendry - they didn’t have enough money to get premier guys, so they spent mid-range money on mid to low-range guys. The Cubs absolutely need to stop doing this — they need to fill their No. 4 and No. 5 spots from within the organization and reserve money for big free agents.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

But they don't have anyone internal.

Maybe there will be a non-tender or two they can pick up. But $5.5 million a year for a Marquis is not big money, or even “mid-range” money these days.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sign CJ Wilson ...

Garza’s your two, Dempster’s your three, Wells is your four and Cashner is your five. Or, we can try something that you’ve suggested — that I’m not a big fan of — and use Marshall in the rotation.

Let me ask you this: Would the Yankees or Red Sox pay $5.5 million for Jason Marquis? Would the Cardinals?

If you can get Marquis at HALF that price, fine. But $5 million salaries add up.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Marquis would feel like a placeholder

Unless the Cubs are going to rebuild, I’m not sure how Marquis takes the team from non-competitor to in-the-race. I suppose if the Cubs added a top flight starter, Marquis could be an acceptable 4 or 5, but so could Wells and Cashner.

Then again, if the Cubs are going to rebuild, why sign Marquis at all? In sum: I don’t see Marquis is a good option for the Cubs.

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by Brett Taylor on Sep 13, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I keep thinking about when Marquis was signed before 2007.

The Cubs had Zambrano and Rich Hill, but really nothing else. In other words, they needed a No. 2 starter (Lilly) and a No. 3/4 starter (Marquis).

Currently, we have a No. 2 starter (Garza) and a No. 3/4 (Dempster), plus some (though not a lot of) options to fill out the end of the rotation (Wells, Cashner).

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

hope not

The 2012 FA class is rather thin after CJ Wilson. I guess if it came down to it there could be worse (Lopez, Ortiz, Davis) but I side with Elgato … move some of the pieces on the roster over the winter, get one really good arm, and let whatever quality is in the minors develop. Please though, no more patch jobs.

by MoneyBoy on Sep 13, 2011 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

No thanks on Marquis

He wasn’t impressive when he was with the Cubs and would be too expensive of a risk. He’s always been overvalued IMO.

by adam316 on Sep 13, 2011 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Remember when we couldn't win 3 in a row?

We’ve taken short steps.

Marquis as 5th starter, I’m in.

We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.

by mrcubsfan on Sep 13, 2011 8:17 AM CDT reply actions  

i hope we acquire enough

that jason marquis can be the fifth starter…

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 13, 2011 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Astros are going to lose well over 100 games

Meanwhile, the Cubs have a serious chance to move ahead of the Pirates in the standings. While unimpressive, it is a goal they should definitely try to achieve.

by adam316 on Sep 13, 2011 8:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Why?

I mean, I think they ought to try to win to win. But it’s not like we’ll be talking about the surge to fourth place in five years.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because winning is better than losing.

It’s really that simple.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe that's what I said.

Win to win — absolutely. I just don’t really see the need to strive for fourth.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Goals are important.

If you just play to win, yeah okay, you win some, you lose some. Set a goal, and I guarantee you will get better results. If the management is worth their weight in salt, they have probably pointed out to the players that they should strive to move up a spot in the standings as it is a very achievable goal.

by adam316 on Sep 13, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Goals generally are important.

This goal, IMO, is not. “Hey everybody — let’s play super hard for two weeks so we can overtake the Pirates and be in fourth place instead of fifth place!”

I would be stunned if anyone associated with a big-league club would say something like that.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

They wouldn't.

But they would, hopefully, say, “Play hard every day and win.” — regardless of the ultimate destination in the standings.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

Which is what they should do.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm ok with it

as long as they give people like Colvin and LaHair the majority of playing time.

by LT on Sep 13, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

And I can't remember when the last time the Cubs were worse than the Pirates.

I would like to avoid that if possible. When I think of the Pirates, even with a somewhat improved team this year, I always think of a Minor League baseball team stuck in the Majors. And like Al says, I always want my team to win. No matter what.

by adam316 on Sep 13, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs were worse than the Pirates in 2006.

I understand what you’re saying, and you’re entitled to your opinion. I just don’t really care about upstaging the Pirates.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

As they say...

shoot for the moon, even if you’ll miss, you’ll hit the stars. But for the Astros, there’s a whole lot of the emptiness of space between the moon and those stars. But should these Astros be called the Astros or the Black Holes, because like the astronomical object, they really suck.

And the Pirates… (sigh), I was so looking forward to their 1st .500 season in 20 years. I had hoped with weak Cubs this season anyway, and the Pirates off to a strong start, maybe something really cool for baseball would come (Pirates ending the long losing streak).

by ddoubleheader on Sep 13, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

RE: Juan Francisco's home run.

Props to Reed Johnson for being a good teammate to Rolo – although Johnson didn’t move his feet, he at least glanced over his shoulder as the ball disappeared into the twilight.

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by ernaga on Sep 13, 2011 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

What?

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL, I thought it was kind of funny.

The ball was crushed, Reed knew it, and barely moved at all. I don’t think that is being a bad teammate though.

by adam316 on Sep 13, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all. Although if Z had given up that shot, we can be sure that in the interests of self-preservation...

…Reed would have been ready to play it off the wall.

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by ernaga on Sep 13, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Any thoughts on Ted Lilly as a #5?

He got light up again last night. He might be available for the right price.

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by Ihatethecards on Sep 13, 2011 9:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Really? Maybe D. Lee and Mike Fontenot, too?

LaHair is too old at almost 29, but, let’s bring Lilly back at almost 36? Seriously…we, as an organization, have got to learn to let go. They had no use for them when they let them go in the 1st place.
New rule should be put in motion upon the arrival of the new GM.
Rule 64; Article14; Paragraph 4; Line 2 should state…"Once a player has been released, traded, disqualified OR retires from the Chicago Cubs, under NO circumstances should said player(s) be approached, bargained for, traded for OR re-signed as a free agent UNLESS said player(s) have won a World Series Championship with the Chicago Cubs.
So, if Tinkers, Evers, Chance, etc wanna come back, they may. Lilly, D. Lee, Marquis, Fontenot, etc…may not.
Gitrdun Theo.

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Under "NO circumstances"?

Right. And the Bulls should have told Jordan to go look elsewhere.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think what you meant was...

“Right. And the Cubs should have told Reed Johnson to go look elsewhere.”

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by Subterfuge on Sep 13, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

Reed Johnson has been one of the few guys who has overachieved this year. He’s cheap and he’s been a good fourth outfielder.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

And it's his 2nd run on a losing team...

…and by losing, I mean a non-championship team. Get it done the first time or not at all. Gotta free this club from losing tradition, el. They keep bringing guys back … they’ll keep ;osing.

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is quite possibly the DUMBEST thing I've ever read on here.

And that’s saying something.

So we shouldn’t have brought Reed Johnson back…..because the team he played on didn’t go to the playoffs? We shouldn’t have brought back a RESERVE outfielder, because the team didn’t make the playoffs.

I mean, I thought your insane “secret contract” twaddle you’ve been going on about all season in regards to Kerry Wood was dumb, but DAMN you just beat that by a mile.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

The only way this theory holds more than a drop of water ...

is if players who leave the Cubs never win championships for other teams.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right.

It would be a very dumb policy for ANY team to institute.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was actually praise for Cubs and Reed J.

And if we were making room for the WS trophy in the trophy case when Reed was signed, then someone was highly uninformed.

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by Subterfuge on Sep 13, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jordan won...that's the difference.

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ed, seriously.

So the Cubs were wrong to re-sign Greg Maddux?

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...did he win?

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not a World Series.

He won one division title as a Cub pre-2004. So did Reed Johnson pre-2011.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Apparently, Ed wants teams to be prescient.

They can only re-sign former players if they know the team is going to win with them in the future!

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why keep beating your head against a wall by bringing back the same players...

…I don’t get that. If you had them before, and failed with them, and then you trade/release/don’t re-sign them, why try it again a couple years later? That’s why this team needs a GM AND manager with absolutely ZERO ties to this organization. It’s a professional baseball team in the business of trying to win championships. It’s NOT a fraternity where all the frat guys are welcomed back with opened arms. It needs to stop acting like one.

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are we talking about bringing back AN ENTIRE TEAM?

No. Maybe one or two players that could help.

The thought that you wouldn’t bring back ANY former players, no matter how good they are NOW, is something no sensible GM would do.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's hoping other GMs follow Ed's advice...

Dodger’s wont win this year, get rid of Kemp. Brewers might win, but if they don’t get rid of Braun and Fielder. Rockies wont win, we’ll take Tulo too. I’ll take Longoria and Price and Shields and ….

You get the idea.

by bdlugz on Sep 13, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really? You, too? See below.

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Follow along, bd...I'll go slower for you...

Dodgers still HAVE Kemp…Brewers still have Braun and Fielder…Rockies still have Tulo…none of those guys have been released and brought back. They obviously still think they can win with them. They never went and came back. Get it now?

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

But by your logic...

If the Dodgers traded Kemp, and then when he was a FA he wanted to come back, the Dodgers would be dumb to offer a contract because he never won a WS with them. The fact that he’s one of the best at his position be damned!

Still stupid, but thanks for going slower.

by bdlugz on Sep 13, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're welcome...

Seriously…and I’m sure it’s happened before…name me someone who left a team and then came back 3 or 4 years later and helped them win a championship. Cleveland brought back Thome…how’d that work out for them?

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone?

>crickets<

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for waiting a whole minute.

And I’m not even going to warrant this ridiculous comment by wasting my time looking it up.

Whether or not it has happened in the past does not indicate whether or not it should happen in the future. All you’re doing by implementing some dumb rule like that is burning bridges.

by bdlugz on Sep 13, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, come on, Ed.

Thome’s 41 years old and the Indians were taking a flyer (and bringing back a popular former player for an attendance boost).

Win a championship? Maybe not, but here’s one: Vinny Castilla left the Rockies after 1999. Five years later he came back and had an outstanding year, finished 23rd in MVP voting.

Did the Rockies win? No, but Castilla was a productive player.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

23rd in MVP voting?

I’m not sure that’s really all that notable, Al, is it?

And you’re exactly right about Thome. It was a PR move by Cleveland. Like the Wood move for the Cubs…or if Lilly was brought back.

Sentimental additions to one’s team gets that team a seat on the sofa come playoff time.

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, actually, that is pretty notable.

Go look it up. Castilla had an excellent year in 2004.

It has nothing to do with “sentiment”. If a former Cub could help the team in the future, and you can acquire him at reasonable cost (either in dollars or players or both), you do it. You don’t say no just because “the guy never helped the team win a championship”. It’s a ridiculous argument.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rickey Henderson?

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...there's one.

I’ll give you that one.

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't checked, but...

… I’m guessing that the Yankees have done this. And more than once.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they have...I can't think of any.

Not in the past 20 years or so anyway.

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyway...

… it’s a ridiculous theory. Essentially, you are arguing that NO team should EVER re-sign a player once he leaves, and in addition, NO team should EVER sign a player who has played on a team that has failed to make the playoffs.

Both are demonstrably false.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

No...that's not what I'm saying...

I’m saying that if you have a player for X amount of years, and haven’t won anything with him, and then you realize you need to make changes and either trade said player or allow player to walk via free agency without offering him an extension, you basically are saying said player isn’t part of the future. Why would 3 or 4 years later change that? It’s absurd.

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

You’re saying that player is part of the picture right then, or better yet, you’re saying you can’t afford to keep that player around.

And 3 or 4 years is a long time. A lot of contracts expire in that time, or players become cheaper than they were. Bringing them back later is worth it if they can fill a needed role and be a valuable pickup.

Cliff Lee was the starting pitcher for the Phillies in the 2009 World Series. The Phillies didn’t win though, but lo and behold, he’s back with them this year. Do you really think that was a dumb move?

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

The way he is vehemently arguing, yes he does.

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by Subterfuge on Sep 13, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess that's yet to be seen...

but, Cliff Lee is a good example. It’s the only one of late, that comes to mind.

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amazing that you can't say

“Yeah, the Phillies bringing in Cliff Lee to have a rotation with Doc and Lee in it IS a great idea!”

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they win the World Series, I will

They ain’t one jack yet.

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

They is 2 jacks. Lee and Doc.

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by Subterfuge on Sep 13, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holy shit

This is incredible.

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

I’d much rather be in the Phillies position than where the Cubs are right now.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why...because you're content with a division winner?

Well, that’s you. The Mariners won something like 115 games one year…no World Series tho…FAIL. The Patriots went undefeated a couple years ago…lost Super Bowl…FAIL.

I guess some “fans” are more easily satisfied than others, eh?

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your ideas are getting worse...

let’s talk about how awesome the new season of THE WALKING DEAD is going to be.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 13, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

First season was meh.

Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!

by shoemile on Sep 13, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Started strong

ended a little weak, rushed even

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

writer's strike

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by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 13, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would make sense

I have higher hopes for season 2 with Darabont going in and cleaning house.

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

Right when the season ended, or maybe shortly before it was over, he fired the majority of the people on the writing staff and from what I understand, he had a more hands on approach this time around. There may have also been a rumor that he was leaving, I thought I saw that, but Frank came out and said it wasn’t true.

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, wow

I was going off of the talk sometime near the end of the year. Had no idea of what happened in July.

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're not serious....

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 13, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm beginning to think that story line really isn't suited for a television show

I LOVE the books, have every single one, but the story is pretty slow moving even in the books, it’s been INCREDIBLY slow moving on the screen. And they weren’t even sticking to the story. I will watch and record every single minute, but it’s gonna have to pick up in order to get a 3rd season

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was shocked

when they got to the CDC in the first season.

Something about the show feels very disjointed.

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The ratings for it are through the roof.

I’d be shocked if they didn’t get a third season.

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by shoemile on Sep 13, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, because it had a loyal fan base to start with

AND the season was only six episodes long.

I think if the 2nd season continues the pacing they could see a drop off. Of course the network is playing it right in making the fans wait…and wait….and wait…for the season to start.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right about the loyal fanbase

But more people kept tuning in after each episode, to the point where the season finale was the highest rated cable drama or whatever of all time.

I agree about the pacing, and I’m not a big fan of the show myself. But I think they’ll coast into a third season.

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by shoemile on Sep 13, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.

Some fans just don’t make weird absolutist rules that really don’t make any sense.

If you had said something like, “Given the Cubs’ history of losing, I would be very hesitant to bring back guys from past failed teams,” nobody would have argued. But you said that the Cubs should never bring back guys, unless they went and won someplace else in between, and that it’s something that no team does, except for the ones where it does.

You dug in. We get it. But you’re wrong.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously? You, too?

I said…

"Once a player has been released, traded, disqualified OR retires from the Chicago Cubs, under NO circumstances should said player(s) be approached, bargained for, traded for OR re-signed as a free agent UNLESS said player(s) have won a World Series Championship with the Chicago Cubs.

World Series Championship with the Chicago Cubs …that’s the key, el. Not with someone else.

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, essentially, you said...

… that no active players are eligible.

It’s still ridiculous.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT: This thread is confusing my iPhone

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 13, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is getting amusing

I want to be Easy Ed though, because apparently to him, seeing into the future and knowing exactly what you’re going to accomplish is entirely plausible.

Please though, elaborate further on whatever other ideas you may have.

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

What the hell does...never mind...

the South Bend part explains it.

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, ad hominems, awesome.

Please keep it up.

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cliff Lee is a potential Cy Young winner this season

Roy Oswalt is 7-9.

Your “logic” (and really dude, you need to realize how dumb this is, and just let it go) says that if the Phillies don’t win the World Series, it’s because the team was “dumb” enough to bring Cliff Lee back.

Even better, your “logic” says that if Cliff Lee pitches twice in the WS and throws no-hitters in both games, but the Phils still manage to lose the series…it was dumb to bring Lee back.

Dumbest.Theory.EVAR

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahem
Why…because you’re content with a division winner? Well, that’s you. The Mariners won something like 115 games one year…no World Series tho…FAIL. The Patriots went undefeated a couple years ago…lost Super Bowl…FAIL.

I guess some "fans" are more easily satisfied than others, eh?

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't one all we need to disprove this theory of yours?

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure this theory

and or idea or turd or whatever Easy Ed wants to call it is easily one of the dumbest things I’ve read on here. It defies the logic of baseball, or really, any team sport.

Yeah, why would any team acquire anyone who didn’t play for a champion? /sarcasm

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just thought of another one:

Jeff Conine, 2003 Marlins.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another who...never mind...

keep bringing back the favorites.

And where did I say this…

Yeah, why would any team acquire anyone who didn’t play for a champion?
?

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not that I'm in total agreement with Easy Ed on this...

but as it relates to the Chicago Cubs players for the last decade that have left the team….I’m Ok with this approach.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 13, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

For most of them, yes.

But to enact a hard-and-fast rule to NEVER EVER EVER EVER NO MATTER WHO IT IS bring someone back?

No sensible GM would do that.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Ed's not exaggerating to make a point.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all.

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ricky Henderson with the A's, left for the Yankees after

the ‘84 season, came back midway trough ’89 to help the A’s win the WS.

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by tripdenten on Sep 13, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Carl Everett

played with the WS in 2003. Left as a FA in 2004. Was traded back to the White Sox in 2005.

by Josh Timmers on Sep 13, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

He also doesn't believe in dinosaurs.

Fun fact.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got one

Doug Mirabelli, back up catcher for 04 champ Red Sox. Traded to SDP for Mark Loretta. Red Sox then traded for him to come back in 07 and won the ship that year.

In my lifetime please!

by Kennabelle on Sep 13, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess he was a champ in his first run

So forget this example, I beg for your forgiveness Ed.

In my lifetime please!

by Kennabelle on Sep 13, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still.

A team let a guy go, then got him back and won!

I’ll bet there are plenty more examples.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's the difference?

Between holding on to them, and thinking they can win.

And letting them go for any number of a myriad of reasons, and then bringing them back because they think they can win.

Using your logic, EVERY SINGLE PLAYER on a team that hasn’t made the playoffs this year is already a failure and proven to never EVER be a winner…for that team….they can still be winners for OTHER teams…..oh god the lack of logic and coherence in your theory makes my head hurt.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

You still make zero sense

It would be one thing if you were bringing back say, three to four guys ALL AT THE SAME TIME and ALL TO START AT THE SAME POSITIONS.

Bringing one guy back, because he’s both available and cheap and did a serviceable job as a backup the first time doesn’t guarantee a loss.

This kind of logic is akin to “My girlfriend broke up with me when I was wearing this pair of underwear, so if I ever wear this underwear again, I’ll continue to be single”

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, Ed.

This is utterly ridiculous. NO ONE? Come on. That’s just wrong.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

And the ones he's OK with are Tinkers, Evers, Chance, etc.

We’d have to dig them up. That’s just wrong.

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by katie casey on Sep 13, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tinkers, Evers, and Chance, back in Cubs uniforms?!

Only if the Cubs play on the field of dreams in Iowa. But alas, when they play interleague home games against the Yankees, Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, Dimaggio, and Munson would fill their lineup. Ouch! And then the ghost of the goat and the Mets’ black ghost cat would run out onto the field too.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 13, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

More zombie talk today than I expected.

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by Subterfuge on Sep 13, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

...

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by eths on Sep 13, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

My favorite is....

Ted Lilly once visited the U.S. Virgin Islands. They are now known as the U.S. Islands.

by adam316 on Sep 13, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love the most interesting man commercials.

One of my favorites-he has dissected frogs that are alive and happy to this day.

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by katie casey on Sep 13, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some of the visuals are great.

My favorite is when his pet cat (a lion) jumps up on his counter while he is cooking and he shooshes it away and it jumps back down.

by adam316 on Sep 13, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like this one better.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 13, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

So Starlin Castro just has doubles power?

And can’t hit home runs? Yeah, right.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 13, 2011 9:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Who ever made that claim?

I think most people were just waiting for him to grow into his power, which I’ve always heard was 15-20 HR potential.

by bdlugz on Sep 13, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

He has NINE home runs.

I mean, I hope his power continues to improve, but I’m not sure him hitting his NINTH home run, on September 12th is proving those who doubt his power wrong.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

He leads the NL in hits...

I don’t really care about his power/hr numbers at all.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 13, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's all fine and good, but I was responding specifically to Vermont's comments

that insinuated that Castro proved he’s a power hitter, because he hit his ninth homer of the season.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Castro is young

he will fill out…if he is a 15 homer guy….25 steals, .300 hitter………pretty damn good. he’s DEVELOPING. That’s what’s exciting.

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by vin23 on Sep 13, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sigh.

Which wasn’t the point.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nunya's saying ...

that 9 home runs isn’t really enough to think Starlin has more than doubles power. And he’s right.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's 21 years old.

And, he has hit six more home runs than he had last year. To me, that shows an improvement in HR power.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's an improvement.

It’s not an improvement to the point where we should expect 25 homers a year from him.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't.

15-20 is probably his upside. I do think he will develop that kind of power.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, since he's on pace for 10-11 this year, I'd say 15 is a low projection for his power.

At 21, if he can get 10-11 home runs there’s no reason to assume he can’t learn to add power not only by filling out, but by being more selective and aggressive in certain counts.

I think he’s got 20 HR potential for sure.

by bdlugz on Sep 13, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

20 HR is okay.

But even with that, I wouldn’t call him a slugger, a true middle-of-order guy.

Well, okay, if he always hits .300 and hits 20 HR, there’s a chance. But that’s a few years away, if you ask me, and I think it greatly depends on his supporting cast.

by varrys on Sep 13, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

What Nunya said.

It’s hopeful — it’s not clear cut.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think that what nunya was saying...

was that starlin castro will hit 25 homeruns THIS September.

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 13, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

24?

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 13, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really think it's safe to assume Castro hits another 16 - 18 HR in Sept.

and is named the manager of the 2012 Cubs.

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by Subterfuge on Sep 13, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

right...

thats what Nunya was saying.

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 13, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Byrd

Is it just me or did Byrd look awful at the plate? Even his lone basehit looked bad, a high chopper up the middle.

by srwilly on Sep 13, 2011 9:25 AM CDT reply actions  

His plate discipline is really awful this year

If he could draw 55-65 walks per year (and hit .300) he would really be more of an asset to the team.

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by CubFanSince1970 on Sep 13, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

FA Pitchers

I would actually like it if the Cubs signed Edwin Jackson as their 4th starter. He is going to be a free agent.

by huskercub on Sep 13, 2011 9:58 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

...

Rule 64; Article14; Paragraph 4; Line 3 “Scrap Heap Clause” should state…"Once a player has played for the St. Louis Cardinals, under NO circumstances should said player(s) be approached, bargained for, traded for OR re-signed as a free agent.

See: Miles, Aaron.

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by Subterfuge on Sep 13, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Marquis

but not as part of the Cub rotation. I hope the next GM really spends long hours trying to shore up the rotation. Try to acquire by trade, FA, I don’t care how but please don’t settle on Wells as the 4 and a guy like Marquis as the 5.
 Why Jay Jackson is not up getting Lopez’s starts is nuts. I rather have Jackson go 5+ and give up 4 Homeruns. He is at least 10 years younger and has some future. Not as bright as it was 3 years ago, but still he is deserves a shot.

by Grockcubs on Sep 13, 2011 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

Everytime Rodrigo Lopez goes out there is a waste of time. I know he started bad, but has been ok since………I like when guys get experience.

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by vin23 on Sep 13, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best Game Recap Title of the Year

Because the Red outhomered the Cubs 4-3. And if we count in Total Home Run Distance, the Cubs got killed last night.

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by RiskyBusiness on Sep 13, 2011 10:53 AM CDT reply actions  

These kind of games anger me.

I wonder where this has been all season. Better pitching will make a huge difference next season, but if they had been scoring runs at this pace from the start, they would actually be competing for a playoff spot.

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by cub in louies nest on Sep 13, 2011 12:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Re-sign Ramirez or Pena?

My question presumes that the Cubs will not be aggressive players in the “Prince/Albert” market. I just don’t seek Ricketts scratching that check given the state of the franchise.

I also don’t think the Cubs will re-sign both Ramirez and Pena. But on the flip side, I can’t see us losing both of them next year. So if it comes down to Ramirez v. Pena, I think re-signing Ramirez for 2 plus an option makes sense. I think we are a better team with LaHair at 1B and Ramirez at 3B rather than Pena and a Baker/DJL mishmash at 3rd.

by perseman on Sep 13, 2011 12:49 PM CDT reply actions  

i think

we let Pena and Ramirez walk. Let the new GM build the team as he sees fit. and throw all of my optimism chips into the 2013 season.

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 13, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

LaHair

Pretty impressive at the plate so far! Has power, but also seems to like to go with a pitch.
I just wish we had him up here in early August to get a better read. But, I’m now confident we at minimum get more production from him and save $10 Million from Pena. Keep Ram, sign a starter…2!

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by vin23 on Sep 13, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

wait...wut?

Ok, first of all, we don’t save $10 million from getting rid of Pena. At most we save $5 million thanks to Gentleman Jim’s ridiculous contract gymnastics

Secondly, first you say that it’s too bad we didn’t get a better look at him and THEN you say you’re confident he’s good enough to play first base next year?

Dude

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you sign him next year........save $10 Million

Well, ya. I wrote about it last month, but LaHair never got call. Put it this way, I’ve seen Pena all year for $10 Million, and don’t need more for that cost. 1/2 this board and it seems the beat writers want Pena back…even saying 2 years 10 per year………..ugggg!

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by vin23 on Sep 13, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude.

I’m as curious and hopeful about LaHair as just about anybody on this site, and I think it’s utter lunacy to just hand him the first base job next year.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I didn't say hand

But if you sign Pena, why hand him the job? Obviously, you get a right handed guy to spell him against lefties…or an OF who can play 1st if needed.
Pena’s 10 million is an unneeded albatross.
Can you really say you would spend $10 Mil on Pena and think you can get more out of him than LaHair…for sure? i’ll be the other way.
1b are not difficult to find.

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by vin23 on Sep 13, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holy shit

That’s all I need to add I think.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know for sure that I won't get him by a meteor in 10 minutes.

But I know that I don’t have enough information about Bryan LaHair to think he’ll be better than Carlos Pena — who has had a good but not great year — in 2012.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's had a pretty mediocre 2011

I’m not even sure I’d say “good”

It was better than 2010. It would have been almost impossible not to be.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Having said that, Vin is possibly insane if he's sold on LaHair

I think LaHair has played well enough that he should get a spring invite and should he play well there, get a bench spot in 2012.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I'm in basic agreement.

Pena gets a ‘good’ label from me if you throw in his defense.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know I'm arguing semantics, but his defense was good last year too.

It didn’t IMPROVE this season.

He had a pretty damn mediocre season. It only looks good if you compare it to last year, which was pretty much the worst year of his career.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right.

You’re arguing semantics. :)

I’ll agree to disagree. Each of us has a different definition of ‘good,’ after all.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not a winner

I’m sorry, Carlos Pena can be helpful on a team with a solid 3-4-5…maybe. Guy can’t hit with RISP, he strikes out a lot…ya, he walks and hit’s homers…great…but not for $10 Mil.
Gotta factor money in the equation when you need 2 (maybe 3!) starting pitchers, re-up ramirez….I’ll NEVER understand the Pena love.

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by vin23 on Sep 13, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, you're not saying LaHair will be better than Pena.

You’re saying LaHair and all the money saved by not signing Pena will be more valuable than Pena?

That makes more sense than what you originally seemed to say — but it’s still putting a LOT on LaHair’s shoulders.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

YES!

You put it better than me. LaHair + 10 Million = better for the cubs.

"I feel great, I just wish my team played better"

by vin23 on Sep 13, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that's premature, IMO.

But I am intrigued by LaHair.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a budget

Cubs are on a budget…gotta to take some chances. Be conservative at 1b, and go crazy with starters. If you look at the cubs team stats, it’s pitching which is making them this bad

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by vin23 on Sep 13, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that pitching is the main concern.

But going with LaHair isn’t being conservative. It’s a huge leap. Sure, if he sucks, we’re not committed to anything. But this is a guy who’s a big time unknown.

That’s why I’m suggesting the Dunn trade. We move Soriano and do it in a way that saves money AND gives us a guy who might be due for a big rebound. I have concerns about Dunn’s defense, but I’d still make the move.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

dunn no way

I watch a lot of Sox games…dunn needs a HUGE mental solution….i’m sorry, no way. If you can’t have someone take sori with a lot of cash, play him against every lefty and some rightys and wait it out

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by vin23 on Sep 13, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Slow down.. not sold

"I feel great, I just wish my team played better"

by vin23 on Sep 13, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Spring training stats mean nothing

The Cubs will have to make a decision over the winter to either sign Pena, one of the other 1B on the FA market, or go with LaHair. If anyone other than BH is signed, LaHair could hit 1.000 in ST and still not grab the job. That is why it’s essential to see as much of him as possible in his limited time with the Cubs.

If it wasn't for the injuries, we'd be printing WS tickets right now.

by tharr on Sep 13, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone seen a lineup?

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Four hours to the game?

Yeah, could be.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't need LaHair to be the starting 1B

Clearly he’s not such a butcher in the outfield that he couldn’t serve as a 5th outfielder/backup 1B

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The point is

that the decision as to his becoming the starting 1B should be made before we commit to someone else as the starter. If we bring back Pena, that’s at least 2 years/$20M and LaHair as a LHB wouldn’t be any value as a platoon 1B. Personally, unless BH falls apart, I’d much rather have him at 1B next year and use the savings for pitching. That’s why he needs to play against LHP . We also need to see him around 1B defensively. Spring training is too late to decide on him at first.

If it wasn't for the injuries, we'd be printing WS tickets right now.

by tharr on Sep 13, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pena is what he is

He takes walks, he hits for some power, but he’s never been a good AVG hitter. And I think that’s what we’re missing in our lineup. We need a DLee in his prime, at least another A-Ram type batter: someone who hits for AVG and power. We have A-Ram only, and I’m not sure he’ll continue to be that kind of hitter for much longer.

by varrys on Sep 13, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the hope is that Castro becomes that guy.

He looked like that guy early in the season. But he tailed off some. I’m not sure what to think of Castro’s upside, at this point — other than I don’t think we’ve seen all he can do.

If he improves his defense, his bat will remain good enough to be an All-Star caliber shortstop, even if he doesn’t improve that much. But his bat needs to improve a good bit more before he can be a legit No. 3 hitter.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Castro eventually? Maybe.

But it’s not guarantee, and I could see him remaining at the top of the order as #1 or #2. Even if he does develop, it’s not going to be in 2012, so the short-term future is dim unless we have a good offseason.

by varrys on Sep 13, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'll get no argument here.

I know what I’d try to do if I was GM.

1) Sign CJ Wilson
2) Trade Soriano for Dunn
3) Re-up Aramis
4) Work on acquiring a cheap No. 3 starter.

I know No. 2 is controversial and easier said than done. But I think Dunn needs more of a change of scenery than a change in careers. And it’s possible the Sox would make the move thinking Soriano, as a DH for three years, would be worth it.

Even if Dunn is done, the Cubs would save $10 million in the next three years. If Dunn can get back to even 30 HR (which he had exceeded for about a decade), here’s the Cubs’ lineup next year.

Jackson, Castro, Ramirez, Dunn, Soto, Colvin/LaHair, Byrd, Barney/DJL

It’s not awesome — and it’s not good, if Dunn sucks — but I’d try it. Especially because Soriano in left in 2013-14 will be really terrible.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

But Dunn still hit 38 HRs last year.

Just because he moved from DC to the Cell doesn’t mean a change of scenery isn’t needed.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is it about the scenery on the other side of Chicago that is the problem?

I get you don’t LITERALLY think you mean the scenery, but what about playing for the Whitesox do you think make Dunn COMPLETELY bottom out?

Dunn is basically Carlos Pena. Both guys draw a lot of walks, but when swinging the bat, they either blast it, or don’t hit it at all. I give a lot more credence to the notion that pitchers just learned how to pitch him, then he just needs ANOTHER brand new team.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus his ability to play the field is awful.

Okay, we stick him at 1B. But he’s bad there too. There’s no way we stick him in the OF, so dealing with his horrible defense will hurt us as well. Castro will have more errors without a good fielding 1B like Pena to save him.

by varrys on Sep 13, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

His defense is a big, big issue.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whose fault is that?
Castro will have more errors without a good fielding 1B

I’m with ya, el. Bring in Dunn.

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

The team who brings in a guy who hit .160 AND can't field.

It’s their fault EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Unless you’re not actually trying to build a winning team. Then you can ignore reality every time!!!!

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love the logic

Why bring back Cliff Lee, especially if you’re not going to win the World Series?!?!? But Cliff Lee, hell yeah, bring him on board!

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

AWEJWHKWFJHkjf

Why bring back Cliff Lee, especially if you’re not going to win the World Series?!?!? But Adam Dunn, hell yeah, bring him on board!

There, that’s better

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Ed is trying to step into SenorGato's shoes at this point

I’ve disagreed with the guy before, but the level of fail in his arguments today has been SO epic.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then don't respond.

As far as the Senor Gato slam…do the letters F O mean anything to ya?

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's it.

You know life is good when you hear "Die Hard 5" is in production. Yippee ki-yay, &%^##(&(#&%-ers !

by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

And don't say ridiculously stupid shit and I won't respond

when you post stuff that has no basis in this UNIVERSE, I’m drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

OOOOOOHHHHHHH

Flame On!

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pitchers learned how to pitch him ...

after nearly a decade of 40-HR seasons? That’s one breakthrough discovery, Nunya.

I think Dunn got into a mental funk, couldn’t cope with mostly DH’ing and struggled with the increased expectations associated with his big contract. Moving to an NL park (one where he’s had great success) where he can play defense and get a fresh start might be just what the doctor ordered.

And if it meant shedding that guy whose defense in left will only continue to deteriorate as he enters his LATE 30s …

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Dunn is finished.

If the Cubs did make that deal, I suspect people here would be screaming just as loud about him as they do now about Soriano, within a month.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

There seems to be more than a handful of players

over the last 5 years or so that all of sudden dropped off so dramatically. It’s crazy to think about because you can understand a gradual decline, but this is just nuts. If there aren’t injuries or other issues, then what could it be?

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

***CO STEROIDS UGH***

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 13, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I've been wondering...

There have been suspicious sudden surges in some players (A-Rod in the 09 postseason) and suspicious sudden slumps (David “I always drink mysterious milkshakes handed to me by strangers” Ortiz). But that would cover home run power. Dunn is having a hard time even hitting singles and he’s batting under 4% against lefties.

Did he piss off some voodoo priest or witch doctor or something?

by ddoubleheader on Sep 13, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

There has always been a faction that whispered he lacked in the "desire" department

If that is true, and it’s playing a part or is the cause of his decline, I want no part of him.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

But, Al ...

even if Dunn is finished, the Cubs would save $10 million.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they won't, then the deal's off.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

They won't.

Why would they?

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because they're desperate to get rid of Dunn.

And Soriano, in the AL as a DH, might actually be closer to being worth $18 million per.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remind yourself, please....

… exactly WHY the Sox are so desperate to get rid of Dunn.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

His epic failure after his epic "woo-ing"

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by Subterfuge on Sep 13, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, he's been terrible.

But remind YOURSELF, please, how bad Soriano will be as a 38 year old left fielder.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bad.

But Dunn will be worse.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dunn isn't just bad, or worse

he’s historically bad at this point. Years from now, Dunn is going to be referenced at what the low point is for being a hitter.

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

In 2011, maybe.

I think he’ll bounce back. I could be wrong.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a lot to bounce back from

Then again, I thought Ramirez was done a couple years ago, and he’s still pretty good today.

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree to disagree, I guess.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'll end up somewhere in the NL next year, el

…I’m pretty sure if Kenny Williams is still GM for the Sox, he’ll move him and try to save some face. Maybe, if Fielder walks, the Brewers would take him. I don’t see him in the A.L. next year, tho.

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by Easy Ed on Sep 13, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even if Dunn doesn't retire...

What team would want him? And how much would be too much for a player like him?

by ddoubleheader on Sep 13, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and ...

I only penciled Colvin/LaHair in because I don’t think the Cubs will have enough money for a better option. I’m certainly not sold on either of them.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only Way to Contend?

First off, if you want to contend you need a #3 hitter and a #1 starter at minimum…Fielder or Pujols. I’m not saying that’s the best thing to do…but I mean just compare the cubs to other teams.

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by vin23 on Sep 13, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mostly agree.

We need another good starter to contend. We need a very good hitter for power and AVG to have a good offense (and that’s assuming we retain A-Ram—-otherwise we need two).

I can’t say Fielder/Pujols is the answer. I’m personally against giving out contracts that are expensive AND long right now. At the very least, no more full NTCs.

I don’t mind CJ Wilson, who has a good GB rate for HR-happy Wrigley.

by varrys on Sep 13, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who said it was the only way to contend?

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did

Cubs can’t contend without a #1 starter and #3 hitter in 2012…..just compare the cubs starting staff with the Brewers….Reds…..let alone the Phillies, Braves..

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by vin23 on Sep 13, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh. I see what you're saying.

I think we can safely assume that there’s no way the Cubs will sign CJ Wilson and Fielder/Pujols. That would run counter to what Ricketts has said about building from within.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then I guess I don't understand why you reup Aramis

We don’t have the pieces in place to “build from within” next year and actually win.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

See my comment below.

I don’t see the team competing for at least a few years, at best.

by varrys on Sep 13, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't either unless we go ape shit with the money

which is why I told El I don’t understand reupping Aram.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. It's a fair question.

You could also ask, why sign CJ if you’re trying to build from within? My thinking is this. Similar to this year, Ricketts needs to do something that might help the Cubs contend in 2012, that will make people think they can contend in 2012 and that will help the team in a year or two.

Signing Aramis and CJ (IMHO) fall into all three categories, but I don’t think signing Fielder/Pujols does in the Ricketts’ minds because a $200 million contract is much more limiting. I think such a deal is viewed by the Ricketts as bad in the long term, even if it’s good in the short term.

But … I could be wrong.

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by elgato on Sep 13, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

That all being said

I’d suck it up and watch a rebuilt team…personally, if I were Ricketts that’s what I would do. The veteran parts here aren’t championship pieces.
I just know that’s not going to happen.

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by vin23 on Sep 13, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the new GM has to make a decision

on:

1) Attempt to Win now and spend some money on some good and/or some great free agents.

2) rebuild. with his players and his vision.

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 13, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

It can be both....

I never get why people think it’s so black and white.

by bdlugz on Sep 13, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

they are not mutually excluse i guess

however i dont want aramis around for three more years at 30+ million or Pena for three years at another 30 million just to lose 90 games while rebuilding…if you’re going to do it. do it all the way. clean house.

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 13, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

What good does cleaning house do if there is no one to fill the gaps?

You don’t want to hamstring yourself, but there is a way to do both intelligently.

by bdlugz on Sep 13, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Flaherty/DJLM

represent as well as Barney has…

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I think CJ Wilson can be helpful for our team for a few years, for say a 3-year deal. Whether’ he’s still around when we can actually compete is another story.

The problem is, he’s been so stellar of late that I see him getting a longer deal, and I’m not sure I’d commit to that. So do you really want to pay him just to give us another “big” name for a few years? He’ll be 31 in 2012, so a 4-year deal means we have him for age 31-34. If we don’t compete for 4-5 years, then we don’t really benefit from having him, aside from saying “Look, fans, we brought a guy in to appease you.”

by varrys on Sep 13, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

"1st baseman are not difficult to find"

Unless your the Cubs. Lee struggle his last year, and even though Pena has lived up to his power potential his .183 with RISP has hurt this team tremendously. Good firstbaseman are tough to find.

by Grockcubs on Sep 14, 2011 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

We don’t know exactly how Pena’s money was split up.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

What an amazingly well thought out post

Rec’d and something for everyone to think about.

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

NOTRE DAME!!!!!

hahaahahaahahaahahahaahahahaahahahaaha

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hatred...

And I think even the most pessimistic didn’t see this many turnovers this early. I have no clue what’s going on with that team. At times the defense and offense look great, and then at other times they look awful.

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Contender for what?

83 wins might be an NLC contender in 2013. Adding Wilson and Fielder ‘puts us in position if things work out right’. We could have contended this season, we just didn’t.

We won’t really be a solid ballclub until 2014 or so, probably, unless the ne GM pulls off some slick trades. But Milko and StL may be ’due for a fall in 2012. If so, who knows?

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

How could we have contended this season?

Jesus, the Astros could have contended too, but I guess they just didn’t. You could say any team could contend, but that doesn’t make it true.

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Pena hits in April.

If Wells doesn’t get hurt. If Hendry picks up a decent fifth starter. If the Brewers don’t play out of their heads at home.

We needed things to shake out much better than they did. If we win eight more games and a couple are against the Brewers, we could have been in a five way race.

I didn’t expect it, especially after May. Baseball is such a dice-roll sport. Get a few good years. Catch a few breaks. Ride the wave.

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

5

Do you know what the relevance of that number is?

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

chances in 10,000

that 2011 could have worked out well for the Cubs?

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's the number of "ifs" you had

If you have to say “if” that many times, you’re obviously reaching.

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

see Diamondbacks, Arizona 2012

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

You meant 2011, of course.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 13, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok?

Look, things would be going even better for me if I played some different lottery numbers and if I met my wife sooner and if I didn’t get in a car accident knocking my bumper loose and if and if and if and if

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you have San Fran as a playa

last year? As late as June? Didn’t think so.

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure what the rule is...

but I’m pretty sure that if you’ve got more than three “ifs” in your scenario for success….we’re allowed to make fun of you.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 13, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

We all knew this was a flawed team.

Hence, I paid more attention to Daytona/Peoria early.

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well great

thanks for contributing then. Christ all mighty…

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 13, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

How could the Cubs have contended?

Simple. If they pulled a Tanya Harding with enough other NL Central players to make this year’s crappy Cubs better than the DLed other teams, like that Married with Children episode where Al competes in the seniors’ olympics.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 13, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Adding Wilson and Fielder puts us in position if things work out right.

There’s no way we add both. I’m not sure I’d want us to spend gobs on Fielder/Pujols. And CJ Wilson is fine, but as I said above somewhere, I wouldn’t sign him because having him for the next 3 years or so doesn’t matter—-we won’t be truly competing during that time. By the time we’re truly ready to jump to the top, in 4-5 years, Wilson won’t be a top pitcher.

I’m curious how you think STL and MIL will be in for a fall in 2012. STL might lose Pujols, but they regain Wainwright in the rotation (probably for most the year). MIL Still has solid SP and Braun, so even with Fielder likely leaving, they have more star power and top pieces than we do.

And as for your “five way race” below, that’s just sad. It seems like you’re saying we had to get lucky, and every other team had to lose more games and be mediocre, for us to have a chance. Our division is bad, but especially after 2/5 of the rotation went down in April, there was no way we could have competed this year. Even if MIL hadn’t been quite as good, I don’t see every team above us (four of them, if you haven’t noticed) all doing so poorly that we’d win the division.

by varrys on Sep 13, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

by the time 2/5 of the rotation went down, we were screwed

No doubt.

We have a bunch of money coming off the books. I trust the new GM to do what’s right. Many ifs would be needed to compete next year, though not as many as the worst-to-first Braves.

I’m not sold on the Brewers minor league depth. Or that of St. Louis.

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our money coming off the books is years away.

I still don’t see how STL and MIL will fall so badly in 2012. Aside from possibly/probably losing their elite 1B, it’s not like their entire teams are being dismantled.

If you’re saying that in 4-5 years they may not be as good, because of their minors system, then I can see it. But I don’t see any way they will drop to the bottom in 2012, nor will the Cubs rise above them next year.

by varrys on Sep 13, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yuni Betancourt and Tony Plush

are starting for Milwaukee. They are a good team, but if anything goes wrong for them, they could fall off big time.

St Louis has had Pujols for so long, if he leaves, the dynamic will be entirely different.

I’m not wagering on the parent club in Chicago being ‘all-that’ next year, but if Milwaukee and St. Louis fall off a bit, the possibility exists.

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was dealt for Lastings Milledge straight up

when Milledge had already washed out.

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, because he burned many a bridge WITH HIS PERSONALITY

He hit .299, .294, .277 and .351 in his first four seasons in the bigs. He also 58 bases and his OBP wasn’t that bad until last year. He wasn’t traded for junk because he wasn’t a major league player

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

His personality

and iirc, his propensity for stupid play

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know what...

I’m tired of this shoot for 83-85 wins and the Cubs might contend. I want them to build a team where they will shoot for 90 wins to shoot for contending.

by ubercubsfan on Sep 13, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

They can build one, and are starting to.

Most people seem most concerned about 2012, though. 85 is a reasonable upside.

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably not.

But that doesn’t mean you can’t bring in guys in 2012 who can help in 2013 and beyond.

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by shoemile on Sep 13, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

85 gets you in competition

in a weak division.if you are 5 out in July, trending to 85, you might make a trade to look for 88 or 89.

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

that seems to sum up the Cubs 2012 season.

And their competition?
Cardinals perhaps without Pujols, or him as a money magnet which might hurt other parts of the field. They’ll be a menace. When have they not?
Brewers without Prince Fielder. Still gonna have the rest of the pieces though
Pirates, well, they’re the Pirates (hoping for a .500 season at some point)
Astros will take time to go from over 100 losses to contendable
Reds seem to be a .500 team +/- .050.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 13, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reds have the most minor league

upside, short term. They also have Dusty.

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I think the new GM will do is

sign 2 ‘big’ FA. I’m guessing Wilson and Fielder would be targets. I don’t expect Aramis will be back, nor do I think Pena will accept the offer of arbitration.

We will then sign two ‘low-end’ free agents. One will be a 3B option. One should also be a SP option, who could possibly roll to RP if not needed in the rotation. These last 2 will be one year rental-types. If they bomb, or get outplayed by internal options, whatever. They would be offered arbitration if not flipped mid-season.

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 2:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I would fall out of my chair if we signed Wilson and Fielder.

In fact, I think I would fall out of my chair if we signed either one. I don’t take Ricketts for a guy who is going to pony up the kind of money it will take to get either, let alone both those guys.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

He sure

ponied up in the Amateur Draft. If TR doesn’t authorize a big pickup, Wrigley will be empty next year. Moreso.

With money coming off the books, not including Aramis, we’ll see.

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

TR wants to keep costs in line

TR wants Wrigley full

With a new GM, which wins out?

Not sure.

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's gotta make some sort of splash.

I don’t know what exactly that will be, but he can’t bring this dead ass team back in full.

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by shoemile on Sep 13, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

correct

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fielder can make a big splash

especially if he shouts “Cannonball!”

by ddoubleheader on Sep 13, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cannonball?

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 13, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right there. The question is, considering a lot of this dead ass team is due back anyway

What changes are made. No one knows, and until Ricketts proves me wrong, I’m gonna have little faith that the direction is SPEND BIG

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not like TR would ever justify the biggest ever bonus

for a pick outside the top two rounds in the draft. What? He spent $2.5 mil on Dillon Maples, a 14th rounder that slipped on signability concerns?

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

2.5 mil in that case unprecedented

25 mil not so.

We shall see.

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by timh815 on Sep 13, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's nice and all, but my point was, even though he spent heavy to sign youngsters

his “heavy spending” is still light compared to what he would be spending on free agents, especially if two of them were Fielder and Wilson.

Don’t get me wrong, I like the spending on youngsters (assuming they’re worth the money) but he might be spending more on the front end, to keep from spending too much on the backend.

That’s nice for the future, it doesn’t do much for this season or next

by Nunyabidness on Sep 13, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whatever team signs him...

or about the jockeying by teams for him, the most common headline is going to be:
Fielder’s Choice.

and if he gives a team postseason hopes:
Fielder of Dreams

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