Cubs, At Last, Outlast Astros 4-3
It would figure, wouldn't it, that a game between teams that have lost as many as the Cubs and Astros have would end on a ball hit about 60 feet that no one was quite sure was fair or foul.
About an hour and a half after the game should have ended, with a masterpiece thrown by Matt Garza, Marlon Byrd bounced a ball down the third base line that appeared to be touched by Chris Johnson -- who had just taken over at third base in the 12th inning -- with the bases loaded, scoring Starlin Castro with the winning run. The Cubs won 4-3 over the Astros in a game that took three hours and 52 minutes, but that could have ended in the ninth inning if Garza had just been able to throw one... more... strike... past Carlos Lee.
He couldn't, and Lee tied the game with his second home run of the day and 23rd all-time at Wrigley Field. He trails only Albert Pujols and Adam Dunn among active visiting players in Wrigley home runs.
Can you imagine all the home runs he might have hit the last five years if the Cubs had signed him instead of Alfonso Soriano? Ah, we can dream, can't we?
The story of the day, at least until the ninth inning, was Garza.
Through the first eight innings Garza gave up just four hits, walked nobody and struck out four. One of the hits was Lee's first home run, a rocket of a solo shot in the second inning that briefly gave the Astros a 1-0 lead. Geovany Soto hit a similar bomb of his own in the third to tie the game, and the Cubs took a 3-1 lead in the sixth when Aramis Ramirez hit his first triple of the season (with some help from some poor Houston outfielding), and was singled in by Jeff Baker. Baker scored himself three batters later on a Soriano single.
And that's where it stood entering the ninth inning, with Garza having thrown 96 pitches. We have had many discussions here about Mike Quade's "respect" for veterans and trying to get them wins, or other statistical achievements, sometimes at the expense of winning the game. In this case, he was clearly trying to get a win for Garza, who has had the bullpen blow seven leads for him this year.
Really, I didn't have a problem with it this time. Garza threw an outstanding game and deserved to win it. If he doesn't throw that one pitch to Lee, he's got it. Even after that, the Cubs had the chance to win the game in the last of the ninth, with the winning run on third base and two out, which would have given Garza a win (and a CG, too).
Now, here's where I quibble with Quade. I've been lukewarm on Bryan LaHair, but he has hit well so far. Why not put him up there instead of Blake DeWitt against Fernando Rodriguez? DeWitt's been decent as a PH this year, but why not try something else?
DeWitt walked, and Starlin Castro didn't have a good at-bat; he was called out on strikes to send the game into extras.
So the game continued. The announced crowd of 35,318 was maybe half that actually in the park on a cloudy, coolish day with a couple of sprinkles. Many left after the ninth. Carlos Marmol threw two very good innings today -- only 19 pitches, very efficient, even while striking out three. Jeff Samardzija gave up a leadoff single in the 12th but then got out of it. He got the "win" -- and eventually, people will de-emphasize individual pitcher "wins", because they simply don't mean what they did decades ago, except for guys like Roy Halladay and Justin Verlander and Cliff Lee, who pitch deep into games every single time out there.
Anyway, the Cubs had a shot to win in the 11th when Carlos Pena led off with a double. Tony Campana walked, but Soto struck out. Finally, we saw LaHair. He struck out, too.
That led to the weird baseball in the 12th. Castro walked and was sacrificed to second. Aramis Ramirez was intentionally passed, after a totally unnecessary mound meeting. Then a wild pitch put the runners on second and third -- but it took quite some time for the outfield to come in, and then another mound meeting (to a chorus of boos from the maybe 3,000 people left) before they decided to put Reed Johnson on to load the bases.
That led to the winning hit by Byrd, at least once everybody figured out that it was a hit.
Hey, it's a win. The Cubs still do have a chance to finish with a winning home season if they can win the remaining five games.
If you missed my tweet earlier today, the Cubs handed out 2012 pocket schedules (link opens .jpg of both sides of the pocket schedule) which indicate that single game tickets don't go on sale until March 9, 2012. That's about two weeks later than in recent years; I'm not sure of the reason for the change. Incidentally, today's announced crowd brings the season total to 2,839,727 with five dates left. The Cubs must average 32,055 per date to break three million. While they may do that, for the last couple of months there have been far fewer than the announced totals actually in the house. That's what the Cubs must worry about for 2012 ticket sales.
In the meantime, they can give the Astros the first 100-loss season in Houston franchise history if they can beat them Saturday. Go for it. It's history, at least.
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The ball was foul.
Ball hit the dirt foul then the glove of Johnson. Oh well, glad Shark got the win. Campana had a nice game. I hope Castro is not thinking “200” every time up.
Did notice and so did Len and Bob that Garza shook off Geo twice before giving up the jack to Lee. I really like Garza. The guy was on steps of the dugout in the 12th. This is the right type of player the Cubs need going forward.
I watched the replay twice.
Looked like he touched it fair, first.
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Foul
The third angle on the reply on mlb pretty clearly shows it foul. The ball hits the chalk first, then touches the glove clearly foul, the ball even seems to hit the dirt then foul, then back to fair.
That said – you certainly can’t blame the umpire – it was very close.
Once the Cubs started running on the field...
… I don’t think any of the other umpires would have overruled the original call of fair.
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true
And it was extremely close. There was only one angle that showed that it was actually foul
We'll win... Someday!
by karlitodj79 on Sep 16, 2011 7:20 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
It was foul, but...
the replay showed the third base umpire quickly signaling fair. Not sure if the home plate umpire also made a call – or whose call it is to make in that situation – but the view of the third base umpire was probably blocked quite a bit. I’m guessing all he saw was Chris Johnson’s back. Why he didn’t just let the ball roll foul I’ll never know…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
The glove
is really obstructing the view of the 3rd base ump. Its Chris Johnson’s dumb stab at the ball that blew it for them. True that it looks foul, but he didn’t play it well.
In my lifetime please!
Even in super duper HD slow-mo...
It was only a nano-second after the ball hit the ground that Johnson’s glove made contact with the ball. I would guess the umpire thought the ball never hit the ground – and that he knocked the ball (back) into fair territory. Fair ball, game over – according to the umps…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
I sure agree on Garza
He gives it 100 % and is a team player . From where I was sitting i could not tell if it was fair or foul . It is a much needed W !!
I sure agree on Garza
He gives it 100 % and is a team player . From where I was sitting i could not tell if it was fair or foul . It is a much needed W !!
A little bit about a lot of things.
Who was in Marmol’s uniform? 19 pitches in two innings??
Byrd’s hit was fair. 30 foot hit wins the game with the bases loaded. Who could guess anything about this season.
Why in the world are we putting tickets on sale after spring training games have started? I don’t like this, would rather get them in February. I can’t figure out the strategy.
Aramis moved ahead of Castro for B.A. for first time all season. Too bad he had two bad months. Do we sign him? Probably have too. He’s actually been a bright spot lately.
Days like today make me miss summer.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Sep 16, 2011 6:38 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Some bits on your bits.
Great Marmol today!
Didn’t see it, umps called it, so it is fair.
Good for the STH’s who want to sell some of their tickets, bad for single game buyers.
Aramis has been ahead of Starlin several times.They have been going back and forth for quite some time. I hope Starlin wins in the end. I think we do re-sign him, there is no way we can replace his bat.
I like fall, but will miss the Cubs when it is over. But I am looking forward to the off season.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Sep 16, 2011 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
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What this has to do with this thread, but I love it!
Lee would have been more productive than Soriano. Although he would have
been playing in Wrigley Field without the luxury of hitting against Cub pitching.
Cubs pitching has been good much of the time during that era.
Not now, but at times. He’d have been able to hit against other teams in other parks, too.
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Career splits as of yesterday...
Carlos Lee @ Wrigley: .298/.343/.582 (.925)
Soriano @ Wrigley: .262/.313/.473 (.786)
Add a couple of Lee HRs today and his line starts to look epic.
The problem I always had with the Soriano acquisition is that aside from the huge money commitment they missed out on a player uniquely suited for Wrigley Field in Lee, which had already been clearly established at that point.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Sep 16, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Cost comparison?
What would the cost have been for Lee? Would it have been significantly less, a little less, or similar? I’m assuming less b/c Soriano had speed (then he did) and athleticism (again, then he did).
In my lifetime please!
actually WAR says Soriano far better than C Lee but it also shows how much Soriano has fallen
Lee (’07—11) WAR: 3.4, 3.6, 1.2, -1.0, 2.8 =10 (2.0 ave)
Soriano (‘’07-’11) 7.0 (his career high), 4.1, -0.1, 3.0, 1.0 = 14.1 (2.82 ave)
Soriano is figured to have produced 4.1 more wins
or
100 runs vs 141 runs
the problem is the extra years on Soriano’s contract
A friend once told me: "I don't buy the idea that a team learns anything from a loss, the only thing they learn is how to lose games."---Knight
+1
the contract is the problem, not the player. I would take Soriano in a heartbeat over Lee for the past five years.
by PrincetonCubs on Sep 17, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, Lee had gone on record as saying he wanted to play in Texas.
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I know, Al. It was just a tiny joke.
People always have pined for Cub killers from Mike Lum to Jeff Blauser (and those are just the Braves!) without thinking that the Cub pitching staffs for the most part are usually below average.
That said, here’s a park-by-park breakdown of Carlos Lee from the time he joined the… zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I agree Lee would have been nice but remember Lee was coming off a year past some pretty major issues with his leg and understood why many teams shied away from signing him. A lot of people thought he would wind up staying in the AL since he could Dh.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Sep 17, 2011 6:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Al, what exactly is your fascination with attendance?
I actually think it’s rather embarrassing to see this organization with this pathetic suck ass team approach 3,000,000 in attendance. Win or Lose baby!! Win or Lose…..
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It's an interesting topic to me.
If you’re not, move on by.
The point will be shown later when I post my no-show estimate.
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no shows mo snows
3 million tickets sold is 3 million tickets sold
by doofus cubs guy on Sep 17, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
but no shows
don’t buy hot dogs, beers and T-shirts.
Obviously no-shows are better than having the tickets not purchased at all but there is an impact.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Further
…. that many no-shows translates, most likely, into UNSOLD tickets next year.
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Nice to see the 9 walks today for the Cubs!
Where has that been all season?
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Sep 16, 2011 8:25 PM CDT reply actions
I don't have a quibble with leaving Garza in. What I think is monumentally idiotic
is that apparently, with Lee coming up, there was no visit to the mound to talk over strategy, or just walking him with first base open.
He is the ONLY remotely dangerous hitter on the Astros. Why let that one guy beat you? Some in the game thread were claiming that was on Garza and I couldn’t disagree more. If the manager and the pitching coach aren’t on the the team for moments EXACTLY like that, then I don’t know what they are there for at all.
It was another really decision by Quade and I so want his time with the Cubs to be up
by Nunyabidness on Sep 16, 2011 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Garza was set on challenging Lee with his fastball
He shook off soto twice. You can read this article at the bottom. Youhttp://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/6502/garzas-new-approach-yields-success
Maybe Garza could of been persuaded by Quade to pitch away but it sounds like Garza was set on challenging Lee.
Dear Al,
When are you going to write a “The Cubs have a great new GM and he just fired Quade” post? :)
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by cooliogirl47 on Sep 17, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
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by cooliogirl47 on Sep 16, 2011 9:21 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
oh yeah, it's OT
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by cooliogirl47 on Sep 16, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
heehee
I love it!
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by Gibbon Jockey on Sep 16, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 16, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Holy cow!
I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Maybe the umps just wanted to go get dinner?
The call was debatable. But, in all seriousness. At the end of a long season, in a game featuring two teams well under .500 why let it go on any further?
Hey Al...
I know you aren’t putting up the count down for next season til this one is done, but how about a countdown to when the misery ends?
Speachless...
11 more games.
It’ll be over soon enough.
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Actually in my case
the misery starts when the off season begins. I will be missing Cubs baseball from the time the last pitch is thrown to the 1st pitch of Spring Training.
by sharkfan on Sep 17, 2011 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
when the season ends...
I’ll start watching my recordings of games. It helps pass the time until Spring Training
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you said it!
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by cooliogirl47 on Sep 17, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Off to the game.
Let’s get them to 100 losses! I bet that’s what their fans are hoping for anyway.
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imagine
what a beast garza would have been with a good team behind him this year.this guy’s a keeper as i knew he would be.now let’s get a good team out there behind him so hecan win some games.

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