Cubs Lose To Pirates In Excruciatingly Dull Fashion
by Al Yellon on Sep 2, 2011 5:40 PM CDT
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I love baseball, but in the words of Yankees first baseman Mark Teixeira, that was brutal.
It was kind of like the Yankees and Red Sox playing, only without the playoff race. Three hours and twenty-four minutes on a hot and humid afternoon at Wrigley Field produced 13 hits, four runs, a handful of walks, 20 strikeouts and 316 pitches, some of which were even thrown for strikes.
The Cubs managed just one run off a pitcher who spent the entire season in Triple-A.
Ryan Dempster threw all 316 pitches in the game. No, wait. That's not right. It only seemed like he did that -- in the first three innings. Why Dempster was sent out for the seventh inning after having thrown 113 pitches in the first six on perhaps the last steamy day of the summer is beyond me -- yet another inscrutable Mike Quade decision. Then Quade failed to bring Sean Marshall in to pitch to Neil Walker with a runner on third base and two out in that inning; Kerry Wood walked Walker, setting up Jose Tabata's RBI single that iced the Pirates' lead.
Ice. This entire game should be frozen and thawed out to show young players how baseball should not be played.
The Cubs simply could not solve Brian Burres; Carlos Pena hit his team-leading 25th home run leading off the second inning. I could probably stop there, because the Cubs had just four more singles the rest of the way and got only three runners past first base. After Burres was lifted, the Pirates bullpen did an excellent job; no one reached base at all against Jason Grilli, Chris Leroux, Jose Veras and Joel Hanrahan, who probably would be pitching for another team if the Pirates hadn't still been fairly close to first place at the July 31 trading deadline.
As most of you know, I haven't been a big fan of Bryan LaHair, who blasted Pacific Coast League pitching and set an Iowa franchise record for home runs this year. But LaHair was recalled and in uniform today as rosters expanded for September.
I still don't think LaHair is going to turn into anything special, but since he is on the roster now, why on Earth wouldn't you give this guy a chance to pinch-hit instead of Blake DeWitt in the ninth inning? If LaHair is here, it would seem to me to be useful to give him playing time against another non-contending team. We already know what DeWitt can do.
I guess the big race for fourth place was on Mike Quade's mind as he sent DeWitt to his doom against Hanrahan. It was so dull that Pirates manager Clint Hurdle sent a relief pitcher, Brad Lincoln, up to pinch-hit for another relief pitcher in the eighth inning. He hit the ball harder, grounding out, than most of the Cubs did on Friday.
Attendance watch: the announced attendance of 35,153 (maybe 20,000 in the house) brought the season total to 2,613,877 over 70 dates, an average of 37,341. The Cubs must draw 386,123 on average over the season's final 11 home dates -- an average of 35,102 -- to make it to three million. It'll be very, very close. While this weekend may draw fairly well, the two night games vs. the Reds next week probably won't, especially with cooler weather heading this way.
And, at the very least, perhaps tomorrow's game will be a little more... interesting. (And shorter.)
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I wouldn't mind the losing as much, if it were done in style.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
by eths on Sep 2, 2011 5:51 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I know the love and respect that Marlon Byrd gets,
However he should be a piece that the Cubs should try to move in the off season. .417 Slugging, and 25 RBI’s from a position that needs production. I understand the clubhouse leader aspect, however going into next year with the outfield as is, you may as well count on another season like the one we are witnessing.
But there are a lot of upgrades needed, I don’t mean to signal him out. This is just a very poor offensive team. If they don’t go deep, they just don’t score.
It’s pretty cheap to call a guy out on RBI’s when he missed a large chunk of season due to a fastball to the face.
Listen, I understand the situation.
I like the guy. 397 at bats and 25 RBI’s. Geez, Byrd is a class act. Cubs need to upgrade in center.
Sorry, it has more to do with swinging at almost everything.
Brett Jackson should have been playing CF for the Cubs for the past several weeks, at least starting yesterday. The management of this team is horrendous.
byrd is such a nice guy
he doesnt want the opposing pitcher to have a large pitch count
I'm a happy panda.
by jesus christos on Sep 2, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a lame excuse.
Byrd missed a month. He didn’t miss THREE months.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Sep 2, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
well let's approach this 2 ways
I’m not a big Byrd fan, and his run production given where he is batting in the order is nothing short of abysmal. That said, there is no rule that says he needs to return next year and bat 3rd, or 5th or whatever. If he’s my #7 or #8 hitter I can live with him.
And therein lies the rub with this offense. There are 4 guys (Soriano, Soto, Byrd, Pena) that should be batting no higher than 6th in the order. What are they going to do with these guys next year? They should all be buried deep at the bottom of the lineup, yet there isn’t room for all of them down there.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Sep 2, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd probably toss Barney in that group, too
I don’t really get all that excited seeing him in the #2 spot.
As for Pena, he might be gone, right? I mean, it’s not a certainty that he’s back. If we have, say, Fielder 3rd and Ramirez 4th (I’m not expecting this, but hypothetically), we’re in good shape even with Soto or Soriano batting 5th. Especially if Soto has one of his good years.
Too many foul balls prolonged the game.
I suggest that MLB limit the number of foul balls to 3 per at bat. Seriously, it;s so aggravating watching someone foul off pitch after pitch after……….
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
Are there any stats as to how foul balls are hit in each game?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
I haven't seen any.
But there must have been at least 100 of them in that Yankees/Red Sox game Thursday night.
Give me a couple minutes and I’ll count up how many there were today.
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OK, I counted.
Of the 316 pitches today, 85 were fouled off. I have no idea if that’s a lot, but it seems so.
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26% of pitches fouled off-that's ridiculous!
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
I'd love to see numbers on more games before I would state that's ridiculous.
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According to this article (somewhat dated), the average is about 50/game and about 16.5% of pitches.
http://www.fangraphs.com/forums/topic.php?id=3302
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
The NFL and NBA change rules all the time.
Why can’t MLB do something about the foul ball situation. Baseball is the only major sport without a set time limit. Something must be done to end these excrutiatingly looonnnggg, boring games.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
that makes no sense
When have foul balls ever been out when gone uncaught or a bunt third strike? What if there’s bases loaded, 2 outs, and the Cubs are down by a run, and the batter fouls off a certain number of pitches, so many that the ump has to call him out for “fouling to many balls”. It would ruin the game. Baseball is supposed to be long, and when 2 boring teams meets up with nothing to play for, it will seem more boring and long. Rules shouldn’t be changed to speed up the game, though.
by braziliancubsfan on Sep 2, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
What if it was the other way around?
The Cubs win because of someone fouling off too many pitches. Bet you wouldn’t be complaining then.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
You're suggesting that we change one of the things that makes baseball baseball.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Well elgato
damn you for looking @ the big picture!
Next what are you going to say…. something like we should a walk being 4 pitches and not change it to 2 b/c that is what makes baseball baseball
:)
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 2, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I would. That would be a ridiculous way to win a game.
As Elgato said, it’s one of the things that makes baseball, baseball.
The only idea that would be worse is if we decided to shorten the games to 8 innings
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Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
It wouldn't of been as boring..
If the Cubs were actually, ya know, good.
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
by Unique on Sep 2, 2011 6:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The Cubs have played some exciting games this year even while being bad.
This one… wasn’t.
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I guess.
My attention span is reduced as a whole when they are this bad.
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
by Unique on Sep 2, 2011 6:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I listened to most of the game
while doing housework and stuff. This game was almost like listening to bad american league game with as slow as it went.
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 2, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn, to hear you all talk I was glad I was at work.
No wait. If you were there it was better than work. Like they say about fishing… a bad day at Wrigley is better than a good day at work. I wish I could have seen a bad game. Don’t forget how lucky you are to watch a baseball game at MY favorite park.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Sep 2, 2011 6:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
True enough.
I still enjoy being at the ballpark. But man, that game was boring.
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LaHair
is going to rot on the bench while Quade tries to save his job.
Doesn’t he realize he’s a dead man walking?
He’s going to be paid a million bucks for going fishing next year.
by Clark Addison on Sep 2, 2011 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The Cubs aren't really in the "realizing" business.
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by D98 on Sep 2, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Al, If I'm Rickets I'm firing Quade tonight
He’s done after the year and he needs to know that now. Stop playing these games as if they are the seventh game of the world series with the same dead ass players (Bob Brenly quote) who are a combined thirty two games under .500 the last two years. I don’t want to watch Marlon Bryd and his twenty four RBI’s in center anymore, I don’t want to watch Pena and his 210 batting average at first anymore, I want to see less and less of Soriano, I’ve seen enough of Soto, Lopez and Ortiz too. Enough, I’f I’m going to attend anymore games I wanna see some kids out there. Enough of this roster and enough of Quade.In fact, I’ll give him his dignity and even let him finish the year If Quade will start benching players the rest of the way, If not, he needs to go tonight.
by MikeJW on Sep 2, 2011 6:46 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
and put who in his place?
Our current 3rd base coach or our stellar bench coach? It’s 24 games who’d come in for that?
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 2, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
it doesn't matter I'll put Al in charge
if he would do the right thing and start benching these underachieving players who are thirty two games under .500 the last two years.
Castro does need to shore up his defense.
He can’t expect his 1B to bail him out for sloppy throws throughout his entire career.
by Bled Dry on Sep 2, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You said you wanted a replacement
If you want a replacement I am curious who you think would actually do it?
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 2, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
My objective is to let Quade finish
but if he won’t do what’s right for the organization and continues to put this lineup out there every day, then tell Listach to take over the last 24 games with the mandate to play the younger kids.
Who is going to mandate that?
Randy Bush? He wouldn’t. Listach would be like Quade, only younger.
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Tom Ricketts
he needs to step in and do it, this is totally unwatchable with these guys the last twenty four games.
And if Listach goes 18-6 the last 24 games...guess who's managing next year?
No thanks. Seen this movie last year. Let Quade twist in the wind one more month…THEN go get a REAL proven MLB manager.
You know life is good when you hear "Die Hard 5" is in production. Yippee ki-yay, &%^##(&(#&%-ers !
I'm on board with this.
It’s exceedingly rare for a manager to be replaced this late in the season. The Brewers did it in 2008 when they were heading to the playoffs and Ned Yost was being Ned Yost, but that’s very unusual.
Sometimes a manager quits or gets dumped in the final few games, but again, that’s pretty rare.
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It's not going to happen
But it is SO frustrating to watch a team day in and day out that:
- Plays baseball dumb
- Homer or nothing, very little advancing runners, hit/runs…I mean, Quade just realized Castro can steal because he was in all-star game!
- A terribly managed pitching staff/bullpen
It’s my opinion, but I see a team that doesn’t respect the manager (which I can understand), and I see a manager with no idea what the heck he is doing. We watch every cubs game, and walk away like we’ve wasted 3 hours.
"I feel great, I just wish my team played better"
Anyone, even Listach. Maybe even Dernier.
The Cubs should send a message that they are serious about change.
Agreed. Quade has to go.
My concern is that if the Cubs finish strong in September that this will lend credence to the Quade supporters who will then say, “See? The team played well the last couple of months. Quade deserves another year.” No, he doesn’t. I can only hope that Ricketts or the new GM fires Quade and the search for a new manager can begin ASAP.
by jeffmills1972 on Sep 2, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Bring up whoever was at Iowa this year, have a fan lottery at the start of each game
Whatever. Just show Quade the door.
Where does one end and the other begin? The Quad Cities?
Over the last 2 years or so, I have wondered where the Iowa Cubs end and the Chicago Cubs begin, particularly with the parade of young faces they brought up here and there. Bobby Scales was a good fill-in player (in the substitute teacher kind of way), though Quade seems to manage the games like he’s playing a rubber game in the town of Podunk in the middle of Nowhere, not in the big leagues. The Cubs of late Pinella & current Quade feel like an AAA team at times.
Where do people think Quade will go to next? I somehow doubt he’ll be managing a major league team. Maybe tertiary coach to a MLB team. Will he manage an AAA team again or perhaps even an AA team? Air freight to Japan?
by ddoubleheader on Sep 2, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Reminds me of a Cubs game in '99 where Gaetti pitched
I think it was July 4, 1999 and Chip Caray was interviewing a couple of young kids in the booth who said they were pitchers. He jokingly asked them if maybe they wouldn’t mind helping out the Cubs. I think the Cubs could find a kid who rolls Strat-o-Matic games who could figure out how to manage a lineup and a bullpen better than Mike Quade.
by jeffmills1972 on Sep 2, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
The reason why LaHair didn't pinch hit is clear.
This team doesn’t seem to want to give young kids a chance to play, or show confidence in their abilities. This team has literally been broken since the 97-win team was dismantled in order to get Milton Bradley, and it was obvious to pretty much anyone who knows something about baseball that this year should have been a rebuilding year.
The perfect person to watch over that would have been Sandberg, who has managed a lot of these kids and who has had a lot of success doing it thus far. Hopefully that wrong will be corrected this offseason.
Pena and Byrd, in the least, should have been gone by July 31st if not sometime in August through waivers. Both of them seem to be good character guys and I have nothing against them personally, but it’s time to see what the future holds. Guys like LaHair and Jackson should have been up to see what they can do. Anyone worrying about service time is just a cheapskate.
I’m tired of hearing about how LaHair isn’t going to be a part of this team’s future. The Cubs had a guy in their minor league system for about six years before giving him a quick cup of coffee and then losing him in the Rule V draft. His name was Casey McGehee, and last time I checked he’s batting behind Prince Fielder on a real team. He started in the majors at age 26 (two years younger than LaHair). Sometimes people develop later. I’m not saying that LaHair will be a star. I’m just saying that you’ll never know until you give a guy a chance.
My guess is that we’ll be watching Pena, Byrd, and Soto throughout the rest of the year instead of LaHair, Jackson, and Castillo, which is probably making other MLB executives just shake their heads and laugh.
by TheGrinch13 on Sep 2, 2011 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I stopped reading once you said LaHair and young kids in the same breath.
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
by Unique on Sep 2, 2011 7:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
LaHair isn't a "kid" but at least he isn't "same old, same old"
Guy has hit a bunch of HRs this year. Gotta be better to pinch hit him that DeWitless.
I'll say it again..........
Let’s see LaHair for a month…maybe he can hit .250 with 25 homers next year and save almost 10 million to go towards a starting pitcher. Unfortunately, we will never know.
So Pena has started almost every game, cubs are 20 under…how much worst would they be with LaHair? I would doubt any worse at all. At least, it would be productive for the cubs, and a reason for me to be excited to turn on the tv
"I feel great, I just wish my team played better"
I think what everyone is afraid of is he'll make Castro look even worse at his position.
If this team brings back Pena next year, they are admitting this anemic offense is sufficient. I’m with you on this, if LaHair can put up even 85% of what Pena does offensively I’d rather have that 10MM (Yes, that is what Pena will get at least next year or maybe slightly less if he comes back on a muliyear deal) put torwards beefing up pitching. If the Cubs are really not going to play Big Z they will have to trade him eatting at least 75-80% of 19MM also having to pay someone to take his spot in an already weak rotation.
Al, I like how you make note of the difference between paid attendance
and how many you are actually seeing at the ballpark. That attendance game they play on the radio is such a joke.
Cracker Jack does not have an "s", even in the plural.
by katie casey on Sep 2, 2011 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I have been keeping track...
… since the Houston series in July, of my estimate of in-house attendance, and the announced count.
So for at least the last 28 games, we will have an estimate of no-shows. I’ll post it after the last home game.
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Quade reminds me of Danny Ozark from the '70s Phillies...
One year there were about 6 games left in the season and the Phillies were 7 games behind first place. Ozark said, “We still got a chance to win it.” I can appreciate that Mike Quade wants to win games, but he hasn’t won with the veterans that he continues to play. So why not give the guys up from the minors a chance?
agreed that's my point
what about the people who had to sit in 95 degree temps today forced to watch the same players who have lost so many games the last two years? Pathetic and enough.
Quade feels Little League
Quade has a managing style that feels like he’s managing a little league team. Clap for your team a lot, always positive whether it’s a 6-0 win or a 10-3 loss because with little league, games usually don’t matter; it’s about playing/teaching baseball and keeping the kids’ spirits high.
A sports reporter in those postgame interviews should ask Quade what he thinks the team’s chances are for getting the wild card. We all know the answer, but it would be interesting to get a look at his interpretation of the team’s performance. We could tell if he’s just putting on a positive face or if he’s Heavens Gate cult crazy about the team’s odds.
by ddoubleheader on Sep 2, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, we've got Penzy, DeWittzy, Cassie, Rammie, Sori, Byrdie...
I just want Quad-e to become former employ-ee.
by jeffmills1972 on Sep 2, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he isn't playing Lahair because he is jealous.
LaHairy might make him feel inadequate.
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Sep 3, 2011 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but in Little League the mgrs tend to play everyone on the team...
Not bench the younger kids.
by jeffmills1972 on Sep 2, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if he takes them all to Dairy Queen after a win, like my Little League coach did?
You know life is good when you hear "Die Hard 5" is in production. Yippee ki-yay, &%^##(&(#&%-ers !
they get pizza
lucky SOBs
I'm a happy panda.
by jesus christos on Sep 2, 2011 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It sure has been painful watching the Cubs this year...
The only thing I got to look forward to now is the hope that a new GM and manager are on the horizon either next month or in November. I’m not too worried right now about getting Fielder, Pujols, Wilson, etc. Let’s get it done step-by-step. First, bring in a new GM. Then get a new manager and go from there.
by jeffmills1972 on Sep 2, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Is any team...
going to get both Fielder and Pujols? I would think with their price tag (and the Yankees not buying, AKA throwing money out of a gold limousine with Waterford Crystal for windows, for their positions), no team can afford to put both on one team. And that 2-3 superstars + a roster of nobodies model is currently under scrutiny in the NBA (Miami Heat).
Fielder on the Cubs would be great, Pujols… I just don’t get the right feeling about him. Smells too much like ‘90s slugger spirit (McGwire, Sosa). Better to be on the safe side. And besides, tying too much $$$ up in 1 player would be bad. The Cubs aren’t 1 piece short of a postseason team.
by ddoubleheader on Sep 2, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
People just never learn....
Never, EVER, underestimate the “Evil Empire”.
You know life is good when you hear "Die Hard 5" is in production. Yippee ki-yay, &%^##(&(#&%-ers !
If they can sign Fielder, do it.
I don’t understand the “one piece away” logic. The Cubs have no middle of the order bats anywhere in the minors that will be ready in the next few years. They cannot play the kids for two years, lose a lot of games and then hope the right piece is available when they need it. Who knows if the current kids will even be good enough to get one piece away. Other than Jackson there may not be a starting player in the high minors.
Improve the team when they can.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
by rlpete on Sep 3, 2011 9:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The Reds games are going to be empty
I picked up two Infield Terrace Boxes for $30 total on Stubhub for Tuesday’s game, and a third of that was the StubHub fees. One could buy an entire near-the-back row of 17 Infield Terrace Reserve seats for under $75. If it wasn’t a school night, I would have considered buying the row and donating it to a local Boys and Girls club of some sort.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
how about donating it...
To all the Cubs players who don’t show up to their potential on the field? But I guess their on-field standing room only seats are the best view of the game.
by ddoubleheader on Sep 2, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Did LaHair drive himself to the game?
If that was the case, I can see maybe not having him bat. Big guy cooped up in car probably doesn’t stretch too well.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
Tomorrows line-up (and most the rest of year) should be as follows...
Castro @ SS
Barney @ 2B
A-Ram @ 3B
LaHair @ 1B
Soto @ C
Colvin @ RF
Johnson @ LF
Campana @ CF
Zambrano @ P…..psyche!!!! Just kiddin’. ; )
You know life is good when you hear "Die Hard 5" is in production. Yippee ki-yay, &%^##(&(#&%-ers !
You really want Big Z in CF, don't you?
Or SS. I’d pay to see that…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Sep 3, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
eh, reed? no thanks
He’s at best a 4th-5th outfielder, no reason to see him out unless against a lefty. I know he makes good plays in OF, but he also makes some really dumb ones too. Yesterday, he played the ball so dumb off the wall to give the pirate a triple instead of a double.
Need Byrd out there to hope he gets hot and can be tradeable.
"I feel great, I just wish my team played better"
pretty
much the way they’ve played all season.dull uninspired ball.this lineup cant score runs.why i dont know. but we need some major changes next year. i think we’ll see a lot of familiar faces gone. i hope the new gm will go after pitching.with the staff we have you’re most likely looking at 5th place again.
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