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Cubs Win: Soto, Coleman Ensure Brewers Cannot Clinch At Wrigley

For most of Monday night at Wrigley Field, it appeared the competing teams had reversed roles.

The Cubs looked like contenders, and the Brewers couldn't hit.

Where did that come from? Casey Coleman limited the Brewers to just two hits in six innings: a solo homer by Jerry Hairston (of all people in that lineup) and a Prince Fielder double. He struck out a career-high eight batters and looked -- well, he looked like a solid major league pitcher. If only he could bring some consistency into his repertoire, maybe the Cubs could use him as a fifth starter in 2012. He did appear to have made some adjustments to his windup and motion. Whatever it was, it worked.

Meanwhile, Geovany Soto -- mired in a horrific 7-for-65 slump in which he had struck out 22 times -- hit a pair of two-run homers and drove in all five runs in the Cubs' 5-2 win over the Brewers. Soto' first homer, in the third inning, gave the Cubs a 2-1 lead after Hairston's blast, and was caught on the fly by Ballhawk Dave. It was the first home run hit by a Cub onto Waveland Avenue this year -- it took 79 of the 81 games to accomplish something that used to be routine.

Chicago Cubs Geovany Soto launches a 2 run home run onto Waveland Avenue in the 3rd . Caught on the fly of course :) http://t.co/tcBWVzGd
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Star-divide

The only sour note to Monday night's win was sounded by Carlos Marmol, who gave up a home run to Casey McGehee and then consecutive singles. That created a save situation -- not for him, since you can't put yourself into a save situation -- but Mike Quade refused to get anyone up in the bullpen. Actually, why wasn't Andrew Cashner in the game with the score 5-1? Cashner hadn't pitched in five days and it would have been a perfect situation to use him. Or if not Cashner, then why not the just-recalled Rafael Dolis, to make his MLB debut?

Ah, Mike Quade. We'll miss ripping these inscrutable decisions to shreds. (We won't miss the decisions themselves, after you are no longer Cubs manager.)

Since the Cardinals defeated the Phillies Monday night, the Brewers' magic number to clinch the NL Central remained at four. Since there are only three possible game outcomes before Milwaukee leaves town (Cubs/Brewers and Cardinals/Mets tonight, and Cubs/Brewers Wednesday afternoon -- the Cards and Mets meet Wednesday night), Milwaukee cannot clinch the division title before this series ends. Good. It's never fun to watch another team clinch on your field. And it would be even more fun if the Cubs could win the remaining games in this series and make Milwaukee a bit nervous. Monday night's game seemed the one that the Cubs were most likely to lose; the pitching matchups are a little more even today and tomorrow. The win, and the Pirates' loss to the Diamondbacks, put the Cubs in a fourth-place tie with Pittsburgh.

Attendance watch: 35,076 was the announced total (maybe 19,000 or so in the house), bringing the season attendance total to 2,950,430. As noted here before, the Cubs will get past the three million mark, though they will have to wait until Wednesday to do it, and total attendance will be about 40,000 below last year's 3,062,973 (a drop in averaged announced tickets sold per game of about 500). But the real story is the no-shows. After Wednesday's game I will post the total attendance since July 22 (when I started keeping estimates) and my guess as to the total in the house. We'll have a fairly close guess, then, as to no-shows for the last 28 dates of the season, which I believe will be a good reflection on the whole season's no-show count, since there were many April and May games when the no-show count was even higher than it was in August and September (June and July had fairly low no-show totals).

Two home games to go, and they both mean something, even if not to the Cubs. I'd like to see them finish up on a high note.

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Nice to see the Cubs finally catch Pittsburgh

Let’s hope they can take fourth instead of fifth. I know it still sucks but 5th place in a 6-team division with the sixth team being the Lastros is essentially like finishing in last place.

BEAR DOWN!

by mikegncb34 on Sep 20, 2011 7:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Seeing the Cubs catch the Pirates

Doesn’t really bring me any joy. It just reminds me how bad this team was for so many months. It also reminds me of how meaningless these wins are.

/bitter

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by Brett Taylor on Sep 20, 2011 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trying to be glass half-full here but yea I see what you mean.

I wouldn’t say it “brings me joy” but it’s better than nothing

BEAR DOWN!

by mikegncb34 on Sep 20, 2011 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know it's silly,

but reading this morning that we were tied for fourth…I was like “Yes!”

Last night’s game did not feel meaningless to us at all. Not wanting the Brewers to celebrate at Wrigley really made it an important game for us. You would have probably laughed to see us so into the game. After it was over we laughed about it ourselves.

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by katie casey on Sep 20, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know what will happen now

The brewers will win the next two over the Cubs. And the cards will lose tonight. And the brewers will go to the Mars Cheese Castle and wait to celebrate their division championship.

Divisions Champions or not, Cheese will be comsumed in Wisconsin!!

"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza

by RiskyBusiness on Sep 20, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

They'll just get stuck in traffic.

And the construction on I-94.

Good.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 20, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Birds

I just want them to beat the Birds a few games this week-end. Although the pitchers for that series indicates a Crad sweep.

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Sep 20, 2011 7:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Sorry

Cards sweep.

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Sep 20, 2011 7:37 AM CDT reply actions  

About the Brewers Clinching at Wrigley

Stewie Griffin says


GIFSoup

Don’t bring that trash in here, this is our house!

If it was easy it wouldn't be the Cubs.

by Cubbinstrongsince86 on Sep 20, 2011 7:41 AM CDT reply actions  

According to a Dunston Tweet

Arizona Instructional games start on Friday.

I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.

by timh815 on Sep 20, 2011 7:45 AM CDT reply actions  

If all we had to do was bring up another catcher to get Geo to hit,

we should have done that long ago! Where did this come from? And, think for a moment if Geo would hit like this for an entire season and where this offense could go. Not sure if he will get back to his rookie season hitting form but that would certainly be a needed boost.

We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.

by mrcubsfan on Sep 20, 2011 8:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Where did this come from?

I think he read my post yesterday where I said I was disappointed in him.

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by katie casey on Sep 20, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

whats going to happen...

when we have a perfect GM in place who doesnt ever have a bad year, always win in trades, hires a perfect manager who doesnt make stupid in game decisions?

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 20, 2011 8:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Then

Judgement Day will have arrived.

by andrerogers on Sep 20, 2011 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't."
- Jack Dempsey

by infinityzero.systemerror on Sep 20, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Better off just doing this.

Why bother making people leave the site.

by ubercubsfan on Sep 20, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't worry.

I’m sure some people here will find something to complain about.

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by katie casey on Sep 20, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still like Geo

even in a off year. A good, decent catcher is tough to come by. Now here is to Clevenger getting a couple of starts ( cough – cough).
 I know Coleman had a wonderful performance last night, good for him and the Cubs. But please no ideas of a 5th starter next year. He is a 7th starter, Wells should be a 5th starter on a good. possibly a playoff type team.
 Agree about Marmol. Sometimes I wonder what in the world Quade is thinking about. Getting Marmol work so he is sharp for October? Goodness let one on callups go out and grab an inning. Have someone up in case someone gets into trouble. I wonder if the players shake there heads on some of these moves.

by Grockcubs on Sep 20, 2011 8:30 AM CDT reply actions  

It didn't seem

like as small of a crowd as you were saying Al, but you probably had a better view of it all from the bleachers than I did in the grandstand.

Always fun to beat the Brewers and it was nice to see Soto have a good game.

I still can’t believe with how bad this team has been this year they have a winning record at games I’ve gone to (3-1 overall , 3-0 at Wrigley)

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on Sep 20, 2011 8:32 AM CDT reply actions  

The only Cubs players I would bring back are

Castro, Wood, Marshall, Garza, Samardjia, Cashner

Good bye every one else

by Rey Sanchez on Sep 20, 2011 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

I ♥ Campana.

I know it’s probably too much to hope for that he gets to stay, but I do hope so.

Football? Football? What's a football?-Ralphie Parker

by katie casey on Sep 20, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Campana is a game changer, I wish he stays too.

When he is on base, the game changes and the pitcher gets nervous and has the tendancy to make mistakes and I think Campana gives us an advantage late in the game.

by adam316 on Sep 20, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Campana could be a real game changer if he went on a weight training regimen this off season.

Put a little more strength on his frame (for throwing) while getting a lot of practice at the plate somehow to learn some discipline. With his speed, if he could get an OBP of around 340+ he could be very useful. If he could learn to get it to 380 he could very well be a starter. The Cubs really need to get away from the idea of power guys everywhere and think more on the side of Defense/speed and pitching to go anywhere.

by ubercubsfan on Sep 20, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe he should try Camp Colvin.

Hmm…do they still call it that?

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by katie casey on Sep 20, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

No Camp Colvin.

We don’t need another free swinger that strikes out with pitches above his eyes!
He needs to increase his OBP not lower it!!! lol

by ubercubsfan on Sep 20, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs haven't had a speed guy

Since Eric Young. He’ll never be a regular but in late innings of close games his legs make a huge difference.

He’ll be back.

by Clark Addison on Sep 20, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would say he cant get worse...

but then we have colvin on the team.

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 20, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe he should grow some facial hair

If in fact he can. He looks like my high school neighbor!
But seriously the man can be a helpful tool for a major league squad. He brought some much needed boost to this decrepit team.

In my lifetime please!

by Kennabelle on Sep 20, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do we need Campana when

we already have Joey Gathright??
seems silly

by cozmotaylor123 on Sep 20, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Easier said than done

"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza

by RiskyBusiness on Sep 20, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

The whole attendence thing I find sorta interesting

We’ve analyzed it to death since ST.

But seriously does TR inner sanctum feeling the the pinch? They put one of the worst teams in my life on the field and still hit 3 million. There will be butt’s in the seat next year…. b/c the Cubs have a 6 figure season tix waiting list. Those people will come to some games plus some who come to Chicago to have the Wrigley experience. It’s the resale people who are getting screwed not TR.

It reminds me a bit of scene from Fever pitch when the guys are out for supper and totally bummed by BoSox loss and they see some of the players at the place where they are at enjoying their supper and having a good time.

That is us and the Cubs management.

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 20, 2011 9:03 AM CDT reply actions  

It's only a game

and it’s only a job.

Sometimes it helps to remember that.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 20, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

As lame as that movie was

I think that was a good point.

It could very easily be applied also to BCB but that is another post all together. :)

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 20, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

It might have been the only worthwhile thing

in that movie, alas. (And your latter point is an excellent one.)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 20, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

The funny thing is

You missed the entire point of that scene.

"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza

by RiskyBusiness on Sep 20, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a lame movie that is about 5 years old

so it’s entirely possible that I don’t remember the scene point properly

But my point is still the same. We as fans possibly may take this harder than TR’s inner sanctum

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 20, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are right there

Fans probably do take the losing harder. The point of the scene was that the players gave it their best shot. Why shouldn’t they go out to dinner?

As for TR, he is changing things. Probably not a a speed that people here are happy with.

"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza

by RiskyBusiness on Sep 20, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see how people can expect a massive business like the Cubs to just change everything over a couple of years.

He may very well have a 3-5 year plan to get things the way he wants them. May not be fast enough for fans, but in a business of guaranteed contracts it takes a little time to make changes for the good. He cannot let everyone go on and off the field while fielding “kids” because nobody will show up to the park to watch AA/AAA players. You all say you will ‘suffer’ through the hardship of developing kids, but how many of you would still pay the same rates to go to the game because he’s got to still pay his recently let go staff?

by ubercubsfan on Sep 20, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't blame Ricketts for being slow to change what's on the field.

But in the front office? Yeah, I do.

Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!

by shoemile on Sep 20, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

With attendence issues

what is he changing? I’m not trying to be snarky but is there any change that isn’t window dressing. Does he sincerely view no shows as a problem?

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 20, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

We should get the answer to that....

…. when we see next year’s ticket prices.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 20, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think they see the no-shows as a problem

And they see that it is directly related to the performance of the team on the field. Bad economy or not, if the Cubs were playing division winning baseball they would be selling SRO’s in September.

Team performance aside, I know they’ve been talking to season ticket holders more now and surveying fans for feedback.

"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza

by RiskyBusiness on Sep 20, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought the movie was fine

but it’s kind of the opposite of High Fidelity where I prefer that in movie form as opposed to the book, but with Fever Pitch I like the book better.

I blame Jimmy Fallon though, as he’s an awful “actor”. You put anyone better in that role, someone talented and loves the Red Sox so it bleeds through in their performance, and you probably have a better movie. As it is, it’s perfectly suited for afternoons on TBS.

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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 20, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

The book was also written 10 years earlier

So no WS ending either. I think that added to the cheesy factor of the movie

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 20, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

they planned it for no WS

but while they were filming they won it, so they had to include it.

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 20, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

I just read the book review also totally different sport and location…. I didn’t realize that either

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 20, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

You should read the book. Just substitute Cubs for Arsenal and it will be the

best book about being a Cub fan you’ve ever read. It is the best book about being a fan of any sport that I’ve read. Very funny, too.

by the nth on Sep 20, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll keep that in mind

How many of our significant others felt like she did with sports obsession also :)

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 20, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matt Damon

Marilyn Monroe "yogi your a pretty cool guy"
Berra " Marilyn you ain't so hot yourself"!

by Notsnud on Sep 20, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Castro and 200....

Al…..unless he kicks it in gear…it does not look like Castro will get 200 hits at home after all. One hit tops per game, has not been cutting it. Barring a total collapse it does appear that his overall lead in the entire league is safe, and that he will finish first whatever the total ends up being. That is huge for him.

by jimvanders on Sep 20, 2011 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Sure.

Remember he is only 21. A lot of guys his age are still playing Double-A ball. I know he will get better.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 20, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really like him

and hope to see his defense improve and hopefully next year the Cubs coaching staff will not be completly inept and that could help his development

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 20, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

We're Number Four! We're Number Four!

I’m surprised the Cubs were able to catch the Pirates given where the teams were two months ago. The Pirates really collapsed after that botched call at home plate against the Braves. As a fan which season would you rather have, the Cubs who were out of contention since May or the Pirates who were in contention for a good chunk of the year and then just collapsed?

by Chi-Fed on Sep 20, 2011 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

The Cubs season,

because we didn’t have to make anymore foolish trades. OTOH, you could argue the Cubs were foolish for not making any trades to pseudo contenders using players like: Pena, Johnson, Baker, etc…

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Sep 20, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Attendance or the market

Which has a bigger impact on TR? A slide in the market or a drop in attendance?

Drew

by SecTaylor on Sep 20, 2011 11:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh.

I think Tom Ricketts is focused on baseball.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 20, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Understood

I just wasnt sure how much either had an impact on player signings/salary/development?

Does a drop in attendance have an impact? How much? With the understanding that it is all relative.

Would a drop in his personal/family portfolio have an impact on these?

Sorry if that is still ambiguous.

Drew

by SecTaylor on Sep 20, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think the Ricketts famly portfolio having lost any value in the market...

…. has anything to do with the Cubs.

An attendance drop? Absolutely.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 20, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Attendance watch: 35,076 was the announced total (maybe 19,000 or so in the house)

It amuses me how you promote your own speculation and shoot down everyone else’s.

"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts

by bluemagic9 on Sep 20, 2011 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Non sequitur.

Guessing the attendance has nothing to do with guessing about roster move or hirings.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 20, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just don't like the attendance guessing.

You say 19k. I would have gussed a solid 25k, maybe even a tad more. Lots of Brewers fans in the house too. I just don’t see the point in promoting a random guess as some kind of reasonable estimate.

"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts

by bluemagic9 on Sep 20, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends where you are sitting.

I can see the whole park from where I am. Can you?

I’m not posting my guess as any sort of gospel. It’s just my own personal estimate. Take it for whatever it’s worth.

Or, keep bashing everything I say today. You seem to be enjoying yourself doing that.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 20, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

:: loud cheer from Salamanca! ::

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 20, 2011 12:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Hope you are having a great trip.

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by katie casey on Sep 20, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

A wonderful time - thanks.

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

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