Chicago Cubs vs. Milwaukee Brewers Preview, Wednesday 9/21, 1:20 CT: The 2011 Wrigley Field Finale
This really is the end of an era.
There are three players who have been on the 2011 Cubs who also played for the 2003 NL Central champions: Aramis Ramirez, Carlos Zambrano and Kerry Wood.
One of them almost certainly won't be back next season and there's uncertainty about whether the other two will return. So the team that takes the field April 5, 2012 against the Nationals will likely look very different from the one that finishes up this afternoon against the Brewers. This is a positive thing, as it is time to look forward into (hopefully) a brighter future.
None of those three will play this afternoon; Ramirez and Wood are both hurt (A-Ram hurt a quad Tuesday night and is day-to-day and may not play at all the rest of the year, and Wood will be having knee surgery soon) and Zambrano is ... well, somewhere other than Wrigley Field. So we'll say our farewells and hope the Cubs can at least finish the season on a winning note.
Another man who may not be back is manager Mike Quade. He continues to make decisions as if this team were in a hot pennant race; Tuesday night John Gaub warmed up, but when it came time to put another pitcher in to throw the ninth inning with a 5-1 deficit, it was John Grabow. Now we hear that Rodrigo Lopez is going to throw against the Cardinals on Saturday; that should have been Casey Coleman's turn. Never mind that Coleman just threw the best game of his career against a top offensive team, and it's much more likely that Coleman is part of the Cubs' future than Lopez.
Nope. Skip the kid. Play the vet. I will be glad when the new GM names a new manager.
Cubs lineup:
Castro SS, LeMahieu 3B, Johnson RF, Baker 2B, Soto C, Byrd CF, Soriano LF, LaHair 1B, Garza P
Brewers lineup:
Hart rf, Morgan cf, Braun lf, Fielder 1b, Weeks 2b, Hairston 3b, Betancourt ss, Kottaras c, Wolf p
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Matt Garza has started twice against the Brewers this year with a 7.71 ERA. In his last start against them, June 16 at Wrigley Field, he gave up home runs to George Kottaras and Ryan Braun, but the Cubs won anyway. The Cubs are 5-1 in Garza's last six starts and he's posted a 2.55 ERA and 1.25 WHIP in those games, while allowing just three HR in 42.1 innings. Individual pitcher W/L records don't mean that much any more, but Garza will have today plus one more shot at getting his record evened up for the year.
Randy Wolf has had a good year for the Brewers, similar to the season he had in 2009 when he helped the Dodgers to the playoffs. He has a 1.37 ERA in three starts against the Cubs this year. Current Cubs are hitting .253 (45-for-206) off him, with 10 home runs. The wind is supposed to be blowing out today. Could be fun times. (Just what is Wolf looking at in that photo?)
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I am really really going to miss Baseball.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
by eths on Sep 21, 2011 11:32 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Yeah..
but I won’t miss the 2011 Cubs. Ever.
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
by Unique on Sep 21, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Excellent book title, sir.
Let’s add the tagline: The 2011 Chicago Cubs.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
Unfortunately
I think most people wouldn’t need the tagline.
Yeah, those last two words would sorta give it away.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
+1
I enjoy football and basketball but I hate having to wait several days or a whole week between games (especially after a loss). During winter, I always miss the daily nature of baseball.
by Jody Jody Davis on Sep 21, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is this a quote by Soriano during an AB?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 21, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Saying goodbye to Wrigley for another year is always tough.
Watching Lopez pitch over Coleman is just plain unexplainable.
In this changing baseball climate where teams like the D’Backs can win the west and the ’06 Cubs can turn and make the playoffs a year later, I am really thinking with the right moves there is hope we can be in the race next year. A lot of work to be done though.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
When I go by Wrigley Field on the L in the winter,
it always looks so sad, like it’s waiting for summer to come and bring all the people back into the park.
Every day is a beautiful day for baseball!!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 21, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Unbelievable
I sure am glad we hired a manager who had experience as a major league bench coach! Otherwise, he wouldn’t know that guys like Gaub, Dolis, Clevenger and Coleman need to master bench-sitting before they can get into games.
ISWYDT
Step Two: Develop an organizational plan
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 21, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Quade seems to be applying one of Yogi Berra's maxims to the call-ups
He must figure there’s no reason to play them because, “You can observe a lot by watching.”
Yeah, I know there should be an apostrophe in "Vails," but punctuation wasn't an option when I signed up.
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Sep 21, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, man.
This is the first I’m hearing of the RoLo over Coleman decision. I only hope and pray the Ricketts have someone on staff who’s been taking note of Quade’s many managerial blunders and is able to attach his or her report to Q’s termination papers.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
i really think
that Quade knows he is gone. He may have already been told. He is showing no interest in trying to see what the Cubs have for 2012 because he knows he done.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
by rlpete on Sep 21, 2011 11:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Very possible.
Ricketts did, after all, give Hendry an early heads up on his dismissal.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
Not according to this
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;ylt=An2GV1EPbIK.pHMQxH.sjQ5nYcB?slug=ap-cubs-quade
And I hope that this is wrong.
Mere speculation, this is nothing...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 21, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
My gut tells me that Quade won't be back. I can't see him returning...
BUT anything is possible. I just think that there already is an organizational shift going on right now and the “old school” guys (Jim Hendry, Gary Hughes & Randy Bush) are on their way out. Add Mike Quade to that list. The new GM will likely want to bring in his/her own guy.
by jeffmills1972 on Sep 21, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
you really think they have to make notes?
Just open a couple of box scores. His mistakes are right there in black and white
by Nunyabidness on Sep 21, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
But you'd be missing all of the subtle awfulness of Q's job performance.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
I dunno, you open the boxscore and see Reed Johnson batting third and Jeff Baker batting cleanup
you see Blake DeWitt getting A LOT of time in left field, you see Wellington Castillo sitting behind Koyie Hill last year and Steve Clevenger doing it this year.
You see him starting Rodrigo Lopez over Casey Coleman.
His awfulness isn’t that subtle. It’s out there for all to see
by Nunyabidness on Sep 21, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
He's clinging to the rumor
of a possible start in San Diego. Possibly in 2011
No
But I’ll bet he appreciates how much more comfortable the benches are in major league dugouts.
Who knows, Clevenger may end up being the next “Moonlight” Graham, and someday a great actor like Burt Lancaster will portray him in “Field of Dreams 2”.
by Jody Jody Davis on Sep 21, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
i saw him back in august in Tennessee
and he was wearing ripped pants to start the game….he probably really does appreciate the big league amenities.
So i you can give you can take it.
The problem is for Clevenger is
that the dugouts at Wrigley suck.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
But major league dugouts are still superior to minor league dugouts.
Do minor league dugouts come with a mustachioed pitching coach affixed to the bench? I think not.
by Jody Jody Davis on Sep 21, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah,,,he has been catching all the ceremonial
1st pitches that are thrown out…
by cozmotaylor123 on Sep 21, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Another fantastic lineup from our fantastic manager!
Reed Johnson’s Sept. OPS is .487, so let’s bat him third.
Jeff Baker’s OPS since the All-Star Break is .565, so let’s bat him cleanup.
At least he put LaHair in the lineup, even if it’s in the 8th spot.
If Ramirez wasn’t hurt, I’m sure DJ wouldn’t be in the lineup either.
(Fingers crossed) Only one more week of the Mike Quade error.
by Jody Jody Davis on Sep 21, 2011 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Hehe! I like how you said "Mike Quade error"
Every day is a beautiful day for baseball!!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 21, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand the reluctance
of Ricketts to interfere with lineups but Quade’s arrogance has gone off the charts. 2011 is over and fans deserve a glimpse of the future.
If it wasn't for the injuries, we'd be printing WS tickets right now.
I read that
and hope it’s only posturing or media talk or whatever you want to call it. If he’s back as manager there’s no way I’ll watch this team. He’s been awful. Hopefully the new GM will bring his manager with him.
"I plan to be back, and I plan to do a good job next year," he said.
Maybe he just had a bad plan coming into 2011.
I've made fun of Q as much as just about anyone...
but I’m not really sure what anyone would expect him to say.
I mean, we’d all love the refreshing honesty of “I’m just going to enjoy my last seven games as a big league manager”… but it’s not a terribly practical answer to the question of “do you expect to be back next year?”
"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."
by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
Of course he's going to say he'll be back
He has a multi-year contract, what else would he say? I’m a crappy manager, I’ve alienated the players, management, fans and made the team worse than it was a year ago so please fire me Mr. Ricketts sir?
Don’t be surprised if he IS in fact back – first year managers generally are given a couple years to fix the problems of their predecessors before they themselves are shown the door. Of course this is up to old man Ricketts and the new GM, whomever he/she is and not the disgruntled fanbase that are us.
how in the Hell can you bat Reed Johnson 3rd
and put a kid who has hit 43 homeruns this season 8th!!!!!!!
So i you can give you can take it.
Well
He continues to make decisions as if this team were in a hot pennant race
Perhaps he’s just trying to win games so that his overall W-L will look good come end of year?
PASS10N
The Cubs have seven games left in 2011.
It’s literally impossible for Quade to make his overall win-loss record look good at this point.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
It's possible he doesn't know that.
He’s.That.Dumb
by Nunyabidness on Sep 21, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
True.
This is the same guy who thought the Nationals were contenders this season.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
OT: I saw a game at Nationals park this last Saturday
Aside from them playing the Marlins which was boring, it’s a really nice ballpark and the fans were friendly. And we got to see Strasburg from over the third base dugout. You could really get a view of just how hard he throws.
Sounds cool.
The Nats could actually have a decent team in the near future. And I guess the Phillies can’t be this dominant forever…uh, can they?
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
If the Cubs win out, Q's overall record would be 99-100.
True, it wouldn’t be “good”, but it would be so close to mediocre!
by Jody Jody Davis on Sep 21, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, didnt connie mack end up with a losing record?
like a .430 or something? Mike Quade > Connie Mack
So i you can give you can take it.
Mack ended up with a .484 winning percentage as a manager.
Bucky Harris is also in the HOF as a manager, and his overall record was under .500 too (.493). So that must be what’s driving Q – the possibility that he could have a better winning percentage than two HOF managers.
by Jody Jody Davis on Sep 21, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Entirely possible/probable.
But one of the problems all season is that Q thinks he is putting line-ups together that give him the best chance to win.
"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."
by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
I didn't want this guy managing the team.
Gave him about 2 and half months, then I saw what a mistake this has been. But the mistakes keep compounding day after day. I never thought it would be this bad, but boy it sure is. Skipping Coleman is just dumb.
Goodness Ricketts can’t bring him back can he?
If Tom brings him back
he may lose this fan.
I moved from Chicago this past year and its been great being away from those losers.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Mel Hall is in jail
for 45 years somehow I missed that!!
Back from Hawaii
and its good to see the Cubs are still a hot fricken mess of suck and they are run by absolute fucking idiots.
Theyd be better off without a coach for the rest of the season.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
I envy you.
I was there around this time last year. Which island were you on?
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
That sounds like heaven!
Every day is a beautiful day for baseball!!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 21, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
It was amazing
I swam with sea turtles and a pod of dolphins. Plus I got to go with my best friend and his wife.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Very cool.
My wife and I spent a week on the Big Island last year. Swam with a sea turtle myself!
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
Lahair 8th and RJ 3rd in the order
WTF is Quade doing.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
WINNING.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 21, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You watch The Roast of Charlie Sheen?? Funny stuff!
Only Charlie Sheen will pull a knife on a women already having sex with him!
by ubercubsfan on Sep 21, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Still no articles I guess asking Quade WTF he is doing with this lineups
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
The stark reality is...
that nobody really gives a shit about this team right now.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 21, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I know the Brewers are in a pennant race but I noticed they rarely if ever rest players
And Randy Wolf has been pitching out of his ass mind all year
It takes a long time to get past multiple poor management decisions...
2011 was a great example of that fact. 2012 & 2013 are likely to be also.
Ridiculous decision.
That said I really don’t care about Coleman missing his start. He’s about as uninspiring as they come and I don’t think missing one start is going to sabotage his chance (and it’s only a chance) to become a servicable 5th starter.
by English Cub Fan on Sep 21, 2011 1:04 PM CDT reply actions
Buckner
calling the plate…..long day for Garza.
"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields
I hate Quade.
I mean, what a f’n moron.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Sep 21, 2011 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Listening to ESPN radio...
…and they are saying Epstein/Francona could be in trouble if Boston continues collapse. I would take that combo any day with the Cubs.
F*ck those f*ckin' fans who come out here and say they're Cub fans that are supposed to be behind you, rippin' every f*ckin' thing you do.
Agreed. And I had suggested the Cubs hire Francona back in 2002.
I posted it on the Cubs newsgroup on Google (formerly Deja) and I was laughed at by the posters. 2 years later he wasn’t such a loser, was he?
by jeffmills1972 on Sep 21, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions

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