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Cubs Give A Glimpse Into The Future In 7-1 Win Over Brewers

Matt Garza of the Chicago Cubs and Geovany Soto celebrate the Cubs victory against the Milwaukee Brewers at Wrigley Field in Chicago, Illinois. The Cubs defeated the Brewers 7-1 (Photo by David Banks/Getty Images)

As I noted in this morning's preview, three long-time Cubs -- Aramis Ramirez, Carlos Zambrano and Kerry Wood -- are the only ones left from the 2003 NL Central champions. None of them appeared today, and in fact, none may appear for the rest of the season.

Instead, we got a taste of what may be to come for the 2012 Cubs. Matt Garza, who has been every bit the pitcher any of us could have hoped for when he came over from the Tampa Bay Rays, threw his second complete game of the season Wednesday afternoon in the Wrigley Field finale for 2011. A little bit better defense would have gotten him a shutout; the only run in the Cubs' 7-1 win over the Brewers was unearned after a Starlin Castro error. I'll forgive that one, because Castro had two hits (even though he was thrown out in the first inning after ill-advisedly trying to stretch a double into a triple). Castro had one shot at his 200th hit, with a runner on second base in the eighth inning, but he walked. I was surprised Castro took a 3-0 pitch right down the middle with a six-run lead; why not try it there, since everyone wanted to see the 200th hit at that point?

Also, a big razzberry to Brewers manager Ron Roenicke, who intentionally walked Castro with two out and a runner on second base in the fifth inning of a tie game. Really, Ron? Really? DJ LeMahieu made Roenicke pay with a booming two-run double to the deepest part of the park; it missed by maybe 10 feet of being LeMahieu's first MLB homer.

Star-divide

Speaking of home runs, Marlon Byrd smashed a three-run job in the sixth that put the game away. If you were wondering, yes, that landed right on my bench. It bounced a couple of rows in front where another of our group got it. That's six seasons -- nearly 500 games -- in that section and that's the very first home run that has landed squarely on our bench. For Byrd, who has had a tough year, it was only his fourth home run since Aug. 1 and he now has a total of just 35 RBI.

Beyond LeMahieu, who had a pair of hits, the story of the day was Garza. LeMahieu even accidentally "helped" Garza by dropping an easy popup that would have ended the game. Instead, Garza registered his 10th strikeout by fanning George Kottaras to end it. It was Garza's third 10-K game of the year, but the first since April. His 3.35 ERA ranks 15th in the National League; not in the top tier of "ace" starters like Cliff Lee, Clayton Kershaw or Roy Halladay, but definitely in the group right behind them. Garza will get one more start, Tuesday in the pitcher's paradise that is Petco Park; he could perhaps even sneak into the top ten.

The Cubs head out for their final road trip of the season starting Friday in St. Louis. Because they won't be flying out until tomorrow, I am not certain when they'll be dressing the rookies in the usual rookie hazing; if I can find out, perhaps I'll try to get some photos. If the Cardinals win tonight, the Brewers could then not clinch the NL Central until Saturday, and St. Louis would stay in the wild card race, so the games this weekend, at least, would still be meaningful. If the Cubs can have a 4-2 road trip, they would avoid losing 90 games; that's something, at least, to shoot for. They are, again, tied with the Pirates for fourth place after Pittsburgh's Thursday afternoon loss to the Diamondbacks.

The paid crowd of 30,965 -- I'll post some crowd estimate data tomorrow or Friday for the last couple of months -- bring the season total to 3,017,966, an average of 37,259 per date. That's down 555 per date from last year, about 1.5%. But the more important factor is revenue. Is it down, up or flat? The Cubs did wind up selling out some of the "marquee" dates with high ticket prices. But many other games had to be discounted up to 50% to get to the three million tickets sold mark, and clearly, there were many thousands of no-shows all season long. It's an interesting question the Cubs must tackle before setting prices for 2012.

After a miserable home season weatherwise, it was probably the nicest day of the year Wednesday afternoon -- about 70 degrees with the wind blowing out, and just a few fair-weather clouds scudding on by. That's how I prefer to remember Wrigley Field and Cubs baseball; sunshine and high skies, the team putting together timely hits and good pitching and winning. That's happened far too few times this season (though the Cubs, after falling to 25-38 at home after losing to the Phillies on July 20, won 14 of their last 18 home games to finish with a 39-42 home mark). They won five of seven games from the Brewers at Wrigley this year and gave the vaunted Milwaukee offense just eight runs and 19 hits in three games. The Brewers have the best home record in baseball, but finished their road season today with just a 39-42 mark, something that could hurt them if they lose a home playoff game.

It is always melancholy to end any baseball season, even a losing one. There will, we hope, be many changes on the field for the Cubs before they take the field at Wrigley on April 5, 2012; those changes will be directed by a new GM and hopefully, a new field manager. Sadness today; hope for the future.

In the meantime, six more Cubs games remain. We will miss it when it's gone for the winter. Enjoy the off day.

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You're upset that the opposing manager walked our best hitter?

The one that everyone says needs to learn to take more walks?

I’ll wait for you to use the “200 hits” argument now.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 21, 2011 6:34 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't

see why people would be upset. What were they suppsoe to do? Throw one down the middle?

by Rey Sanchez on Sep 21, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess.

Respect given to Castro, I suppose. That much, I appreciate.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

You do understand that however close they are to clinching a playoff spot, they haven't done it yet.

The Brewers are still playing for something. It’s pretty ridiculous to think Ron wouldn’t walk the best hitter on the team with a dude who has barely played coming up.

IN A TIE GAME

by Nunyabidness on Sep 21, 2011 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I guess.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

They’re going to the playoffs. We’re going back to the drawing board. Throw us a frickin’ bone here.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 21, 2011 7:15 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I disagree with that - they aren't in yet

And until they are, they need to play to win.

Step Two: Develop an organizational plan

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 22, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know.

I was kidding. Well, mostly. I understand what a letdown that intentional walk must have been, emotionally, for those attending the game.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 22, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, that's how I would've felt sitting in the stands.

Of course, the rational side of me completely understands why they did it.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 22, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree that it was the right move

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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry

by Hammer on Sep 21, 2011 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

This was the first

Cubs game I actually sat and watched since early June lol.

Do NOt understand Johnson batting third and Baker 4th with LaHair batting 8th.

Quade is an idiot and WILL NOT be back. Sorry to say but if he comes back, expect the same old next year.

What do some people think of Soto? I’m kinda fed up with him. I would love to get Mike Napoli but he’s under contract for next year

by Rey Sanchez on Sep 21, 2011 6:34 PM CDT reply actions  

I like Soto.

I hope he is a Cub in 2012

by Grockcubs on Sep 21, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't given up on Geo.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 21, 2011 7:24 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Soto is terrible

Whether there are better options I don’t know, but the guy is a major disappointment

by BeltwayCubsFan on Sep 21, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

You realize that his WAR is in the top tier of catchers, right? There are not many Joe Mauers…

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run FOR Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Sep 21, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Geo is on the alternate-year plan.

He has had good years in 2008 and 2010.

Not quite so good in 2009 and 2011.

I’m only half joking here, but he should be on target for a good year in 2012.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.

You might be on to something.

But seriously, go look at his numbers. It’s weird.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Until he meets his Nemesis.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 21, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

"There are not many Joe Mauers…."

Even Joe Mauer may not be Joe Mauer that much longer. He’s breaking down as a catcher. His future is likely playing first. At least that way he might make it through more than half a season.

by MN exile on Sep 21, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

So out of 30 teams

Soto is 14th…in a down year. My point is that he isn’t terrible. Catchers are difficult to find.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run FOR Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Sep 21, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

But it is better than average.

Keep Soto, get rid of Hill, let Clevenger and Castillo battle it out next spring. With either of them and Soto our catching will be as good as nearly every other team.

by jpeters407 on Sep 21, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

name one team that has a top tier player at every position

Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.

by Fat Punk Kicker on Sep 21, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

you could in all honesty...

make a compelling argument for the yankees. if not all positions, then most.

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 22, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they don't really count though

Having a $200 million payroll makes a lot of things possible that aren’t possible for mere mortals.

by SouthernCub on Sep 22, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes but a 130 million dollar payroll

should get you a top tier position player at SOME positions…

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 22, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cubs & Mets

Should be doing a lot better with the very high, but sub-Yankees payroll they have. But alas, they haven’t been getting as much bang for their buck, smack for their simoleons, crack for their clams, mile for their moolah as the Yankees have.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 22, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly -- thank you.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 22, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Methinks your expectations are a bit too high, Bway.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 22, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Have you seen Johnson's SLG%?

Or noticed the amount of doubles he has, or the fact that the Cubs were facing a LHP? Johnson was not a bad choice at all if you look at his numbers and performance vs lefties this season. In fact, Johnson has raked this season.

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by tripdenten on Sep 21, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs should

They should trade or cut any position player whose last name begins with “S”. Napoli sounds good or any decent catcher who can hit RHPs. Soto is too expensive to be a backup.

If they have to do cost savings somewhere, be it for the huge write-offs for Zambrano and Soriano or for some other reason, then bring back Pena as the next best 1B option. Pena is effective vs RHPs. They can keep LaHair on board too, to backup Pena, if they think he (LaHair) has a future. They can let Baker go. There is a fairly good chance that Fielder or Pujols won’t hit the FA market anyway.

 vs RHP starting pitcher 49-64 total 113 games
 vs LHP starting pitcher 20-23 total 43 games

by AboutTheCubs on Sep 21, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

so we pay a platoon first base 20-30 million for two -three years?

that sounds like we’d be putting a winning team together…GETITDONEJIM!!!!

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 22, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course he's going to say that

Do you walk into your job saying you think you’re going to be fired at the end of the month?

by Danwood on Sep 22, 2011 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Garza is a special player..

.. so is Castro. So I guess it’s good to know we have SOMETHING to build around for the future.

And kudos for Castro for slowly improving his patience.

'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'

by Unique on Sep 21, 2011 6:34 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm enjoying this binge of BB's

that Castro’s on. Makes me hope he’s that unique type of player who is able to find his weaknesses and improve them.

"The cheaper the hood, the gaudier the talk" - Philip Marlowe

by ForTheLoveOfBiitner on Sep 21, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quade's last game as manager at Wrigley?

Let’s hope so. Lots of changes coming between now and next April. Let’s just hope that the Cubs are MUCH more competitive next season (and beyond). We fans deserve to watch meaningful games in September.

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Sep 21, 2011 6:37 PM CDT reply actions  

fighting for

fourth place isn’t meaningful to you?

by Rey Sanchez on Sep 21, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...I can't speak for DKT...

But that level of greatness the Pirates have attained has to mean something! :]

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by jeffstorm2 on Sep 21, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man, did the Pirates freefall or what?

I was hoping they would find a way to stay in the race. They were great the first half and then BOOM. Whereas the Cubs have been horribly and consistently below average all season…

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Sep 21, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It seems strange to think that one game did that.

But it appears to have done that.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, they started their free fall then.

I was cheering for them, now I want them in the rear view mirror. Somehow I have a feeling that won’t happen.

by jpeters407 on Sep 21, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pirates finish...

… with three vs. Reds at home. They are 8-4 vs. Cincy, so they could win two of three there.

Then they go to Milwaukee to finish the season. Miller Park is a house of pain for Pittsburgh — they never win there. Even after the Brewers have clinched, they could sweep the Pirates there.

I say the Cubs go 3-3 and Pirates 2-4 and the Cubs finish 4th by a game.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was hoping this would be the year

For the Pirates to end their long losing streak, especially after this was clearly going to be just another year for the Cubs.

But baseball players/teams are a superstitious lot. Cubs have the black cat, and the Bartman ball just broke their concentration the same way the blown call broke the concentration of the Cards in the 1985 World Series. That blown call for the Pirates seemed to take them out of the zone. I think the same thing happened to the 1986 Red Sox too.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 21, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're on to something here.

There’s definitely something to psychological issues in winning baseball. All the teams you mention seemed to be on their way to victory, and then something WAY out of line happened. It’s very difficult to come back from that unless you have a strong leader who can take the game and slow it down and remind the players where they are and what they are doing.

In all three cases you mention, that did not happen.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've felt bad for their fans.

I know how it feels to have my team in the race and then see them go into free fall. It’s miserable. It pervades every crack and seam of my being (wait,… that sounded wrong, didn’t it?).

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Sep 21, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here is what Q thinks....he says he will be back!

http://m.desmoinesregister.com/sports/article?a=2011110921020&f=1198

This was posted after the game. I hope the.new GM makes a splash and not a wait and see season.

Hate to see the home season end. Glad it went out with a nice win.

We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.

by mrcubsfan on Sep 21, 2011 7:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Shoot me now...

Of course I don’t blame Quade for saying that. What else is he going to say, right?

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Sep 21, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't have any problem with what he said there

He has to act as though he’s coming back and not a dead manager walking. As long as it doesn’t actually happen, I’m fine with him keeping an optimistic mindset about his chances of returning.

by SouthernCub on Sep 22, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

If someone says I'll be back...

I expect a car to come crashing through the front wall.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 21, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

On his side

is his good run in the last part of the 2010 season, a 50-50 ish late 2011 season, and a very very crappy early 2011 season (which he could argue was still not on track for 100 losses, just maybe a .400 finish give or take a few percent). Quade can argue 2 out of 3 blocks ain’t bad.

I can see him fooling the organization into signing him for a 2-3 year contract. My advice to the Cubs is, quoting Admiral Ackbar: “It’s a trap!”

by ddoubleheader on Sep 21, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I regard their taking Quade over Ryne ....

Right up there with their decision to let Greg Maddux go the first time. I was heartbroken both times.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Sep 21, 2011 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good thing I wasn't reading this

while I was drinking. Would have been quite a spit-take.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 22, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont demand meaningful games in September...

i Do demand meaningful games in May.

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 22, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seeing the Brewers team makes me sad knowing

we are nowhere close to them talent wise

Fielder (this year’s team), Braun, Hart, Marcum, Greinke

We have

Castro, Garza

anddddddddd????

by Rey Sanchez on Sep 21, 2011 6:43 PM CDT reply actions  

This year's about over.

Changes are coming. I’m not worried about now, I’m worried about what changes will be made.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

let's not overstate the impact of Quade's departure

He might have swung 6-8 games this year negatively. Win all 8 and we still ain’t sniffing the playoffs

by BeltwayCubsFan on Sep 21, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope but .500 is a lot better than where we are.

Plus, in July that would have had us in the race and maybe some things get done. If those wins are in April and May many things could have been different. Coulda, woulda, shoulda, but 2012 simply wasn’t.

by jpeters407 on Sep 21, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs

are probably going to make less changes than people want.
GM is a given
Manager isn’t necessarily
Soriano will still be there, will still be Mr. Mediocre with a peppering of games he actually performs up to par
Most of the same lineup will probably be there
Zambrano will probably be back, with the Cubs apologizing to him… unless the new GM really wants him gone

and Tyler Colvin will probably be dodging actual bats instead of wooden bats.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 21, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zambrano will be gone.

But because of that, Soriano will be back. Only so much cash can be eaten.

Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!

by shoemile on Sep 21, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends...

… on whether the Cubs can get a taker to pay some of Z’s deal, OR make a buyout where he gets some, but not all, of what he’s owed and then becomes a free agent.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 22, 2011 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

But who would want Zambrano?

The Mariners come to mind, if only because they tend to be suckers for lousy/flawed players and think if a player has a high price tag, he must be good, which might explain their eternal slump. But, who else might want the Big Z?

by ddoubleheader on Sep 22, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers.

If nothing else, he might put some butts in the seats.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 22, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Byrd? Soriano? Baker? The Franchise?!

In all seriousness… LaHair looks good as does Marshall and Barney “passable”

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by jeffstorm2 on Sep 21, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Barney is not a good starting player.

Unless we upgrade most positions, Barney isn’t good enough to warrant a starting job.

'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'

by Unique on Sep 21, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

He may end up being

‘just average’ I fear. Our options are…?

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by jeffstorm2 on Sep 21, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he can improve his defense

I’d give Flaherty a shot. LeMahieu is okay but he has to learn to take more walks.

'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'

by Unique on Sep 21, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate to sound too much like TJ11

but we’ve got a lot more ???s than solid pieces in place for 2012…

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by jeffstorm2 on Sep 21, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I look at it as a roster full of ifs?

We have a roster full of at best average players and players likely playing above their potential. IF they can put it all together next year & play like all-stars . . . That’s a huge if.

I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.

by cub in louies nest on Sep 21, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most of the Cubs team

seems average to slightly below average.
It’s Starlin Castro and….?
It’s Ryan Dempster and…?

by ddoubleheader on Sep 21, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

At this point in their careers...

… Matt Garza >> Ryan Dempster

'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'

by Unique on Sep 21, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

LaHair

has 45 PA.

He could be another Micah Hoffpauer(sp) for all we know

by Rey Sanchez on Sep 21, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

True.

After Pattersons, Pies and Pagans…history holds only fear for me…sad.

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by jeffstorm2 on Sep 21, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he's already showed better patience that Micah. He looks like a different player to me

Is he going to be an everyday starter, or a dude who hits 30 homers in the show? Probably not. Could he be Matt Stairs-like? Maybe, and that would be a nice bench player to have

by Nunyabidness on Sep 21, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

'Matt Stairs-like'?!

You mean he’ll play till he’s 55yo?! :]

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by jeffstorm2 on Sep 21, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are under-valuing Matt Stairs in this comp.

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by tripdenten on Sep 21, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

The dude has played 19 seasons in the Majors,

however his career WAR is 13, so I suppose you did not under-value him.

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by tripdenten on Sep 21, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

...and he is a Golden God.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 22, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jackson isnt here yet

but hoping he a another talented player showing up next year.

Soto might also turn around. He seems to be good every other year. Also their is still hope that Marmol regains his dominance.

by Mitchener on Sep 21, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I know.

You understand how this feels. I hope everyone does. As bad as this baseball season has been for the Cubs, we will miss it when it’s gone for the winter.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

^A thousand times THIS^

No matter how bad it gets… we know it’ll always be missed in the dark of Chicago winters

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by jeffstorm2 on Sep 21, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really won't miss this season at all. I'll be looking forward to next year

ASSUMING Ricketts doesn’t MASSIVELY eff this up…but i won’t miss this season at all.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 21, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hiya Nunya!

I guess I’m torn… I’d bet you’ll be longing for Cubbie baseball news by Mid-Jan tho!!! :]

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by jeffstorm2 on Sep 21, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

When there's 3 feet of snow on the ground in January,

you’re darned right I’m gonna be missing it. Even the bad bits.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 21, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aha! A truthful man indeed!!!

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by jeffstorm2 on Sep 21, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a photo I took of our yard

the morning after the big blizzard earlier this year.

Even my table misses the Cubs in winter apparently. It was pretty bizarre that it drifted like that.

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by katie casey on Sep 21, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Foreboding?

Tapping my Chicago knowledge, Cubs performance vis-a-vis big blizzards.

1967- .540 (3rd)
1979- .494 (5th)
1999- .414 (6th) (ouch)
and 2011, well we’re watching the answer to that

Answer: they’re all over the place. 1 pretty good season, 1 average season, 1 lousy season, 1 really lousy season.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 21, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant it more as in how "cold" they would be.

This definintion seems to fit.
Cold, adj: Characterized by repeated failure, especially in a sport or competitive activity:

Not to mention how yucky it was this year weather-wise. It’s the worst I can remember.

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by katie casey on Sep 22, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was gonna say...

…that must’ve been a bad omen. If it happens again this winter (and, please, let it not), clear off that table ASAP!

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by daver on Sep 22, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Will do.

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by katie casey on Sep 22, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even with football, basketball, and hockey

it doesn’t quite fill the gap. Might just be their 1-3 game weekly schedules compared to baseball’s 6, or maybe it’s just those 3 sports can’t produce an air, a feeling more than the sum of their parts.

Bears got the Packers, watching the Bulls can be quite nice, and Hockey’s relaxing when they’re skating around the ice and taking shots with their sticks instead of taking shots with their fists and thinking they’re in a ring not a rink, but somehow they just can’t beat that green field of dreams, the crack of the bat, the peaceful pace that gives you time to ponder things like their stats, baseball history, their recent performance. Baseball’s got something those other sports just don’t quite got.

But hey, we’re baseball fans, so obviously it has more a draw for us than those who are football, basketball, hockey fans first.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 21, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Doesn't look like we'll have the Bulls this year.

Heavy sigh.

That’s one Chicago team I can follow easily in Denver, since I get to watch them on WGN, and they’re on nationally a lot now (thank you DRose and Joakim – I’ll miss you guys this year).

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Sep 21, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, one would think

they would learn from the 1998-9 NBA lockout and the negativity from the 1994 MLB strike and the 2004-05 NHL lockout. I thought, going into what seemed like a NFL year without a season, MLB, NBA, and NHL were all licking their chops at the prospects of picking up more fans from the juggernaut. But, it seemed once the NFL solved their lockout, the NBA decided to show stupid they can be.

At least, going into it, the 2011 Superbowl and the 2011 NBA Finals were quite entertaining. Still wish we would have gotten a 1994 World Series with the Expos though.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 22, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amen

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by Archie on Sep 21, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want prince Fielder

Also Edwin Emcarcion has a 3.5 Mill option. Do you think that will be picked up?

WOuld he be a solid signing if Aramis leaves

by Rey Sanchez on Sep 21, 2011 6:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Encarnacion?

Meh.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still prefer Pujols over Fielder, Al?

Just wondering.

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by Unique on Sep 21, 2011 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Egads! Hath Good Sir Al somehow

vanished…thereby eluding this fabled question!?

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by jeffstorm2 on Sep 21, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, it was worth a shot.

'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'

by Unique on Sep 21, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh.

Dinner time. Anyway, I’m really not sure what I’d want the Cubs to do. Either one would cost a lot of money. They might be better off keeping Carlos Pena and spending the $ on pitching.

You have seen this week what good pitching can do to shut down even a good offense.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not thrilled with what is available

on the mound outside of CJ Wilson, who will carry a huge price tag. Not a good year to have so many holes to fill.

by jpeters407 on Sep 21, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pitching can be traded for also.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but do we have anything that would bring any quality?

Of course I don’t know next years potential free agents. Maybe there is someone there that we could get from a rebuilding or money saving team.

by jpeters407 on Sep 21, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the Cubs really need Fielder.

They need a power bat in their lineup and their prospects are several years away (aside from Brett Jackson).

I’d love Pujols but I’d be afraid he’d handcuff the Cubs. I guess it all depends on what Ricketts perception is.

'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'

by Unique on Sep 21, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they don't get Fielder they need a true platoon.

Either Pena or LaHair, but you need a right handed hitting first baseman since Pena’s splits are so bad. No more of the lefty/lefty platoon we had last spring.

by jpeters407 on Sep 21, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

From what I hear,

he and a girl named Mary Jane are pretty friendly.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 21, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what?

That hasn’t effected Lincecum in the least bit.

by Dcr18 on Sep 21, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lincecum has won two Cy Youngs

and Jackson goes from team to team like some people change socks. Draw your own conclusions.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 22, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perfect!

Most Cubs games start at 1:20, not 4:20. He’ll be out of the game long before then.

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by daver on Sep 22, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

he would be a better

choice than DeWitt or Baker I believe

by Rey Sanchez on Sep 21, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

/shudders uncontrolably/

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by jeffstorm2 on Sep 21, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

looks like this...

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by jeffstorm2 on Sep 21, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cuddyer could be a good stop gap

he plays multiple positions and has a decent bat

by Mitchener on Sep 21, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that KC is going to be holding on to Alex Gordon.

They wouldn’t trade him when he was bad, you know.

Now that he’s awesome…. they’re keeping him until after 2014, when he’s a free agent. Maybe even beyond that.

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by D98 on Sep 21, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also... did you just say you'd platoon Alex Gordon with DJ LeMahieu?!

Alex Gordon has a 142 OPS+ this year.

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by D98 on Sep 21, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prince Fielder...

all we need is the Burger King, the Dairy Queen, and a certified Ace to have a royal flush.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 21, 2011 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was fun watching Garza pitch today.

Wind howling out, Brewers needing wins to get the division wrapped up, and he was dominant. He should of been at 110 pitches without the two errors.
 Cubs no question need to add pieces. But there is some good solid players here that can make a interesting team next year. Of course the field manager needs to be replaced.
 I saw on ESPN the bottom line a Ramy quote " Cubs need to show that they are serious about winning and making improvements before I sign" ( Paraphrasing) That type of nonsense doesn’t sit well with me. 3 playoff teams in his 8 years. Not the Yankees with 16 playoffs in the last 17 but not the Pirates who the Cubs rescued him from. He has been paid well by the Cubs. Whether the moves worked out or not, Hendry did try to field a playoff team every year. And lastly, Ramirez needs to look in the mirror.

by Grockcubs on Sep 21, 2011 7:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't want Aramis to come back next year.

I appreciate all that he did while he was here, but he doesn’t hustle and I think that this will be his last hurrah as a power hitter. I expect him to decline next year. Better for the Cubs to turn third base over to a new guy in 2012.

by jeffmills1972 on Sep 21, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

As long as we do

what’s necessary to get compensatory draft picks

I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.

by timh815 on Sep 21, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

This X 10.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 21, 2011 7:33 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I don't mind his words.

Coupled with his flat out refusal to waive his NTC? I mind that.

Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!

by shoemile on Sep 21, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al - disappointed in your lack of hustle...

I know it was the 81st game of the season, but you have to leave your feet to get that home run ball. :)

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Sep 21, 2011 7:06 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL!

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by jeffstorm2 on Sep 21, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw that Al. Should have gone horizontal.

Hoping many more to hit your row in 2012.

We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.

by mrcubsfan on Sep 21, 2011 7:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

In Al's defense...

…I believe he did take a couple of steps toward the ball. I actually hit the rewind on my DVR so I could get a good look.

One of these days, Al. Sadly, like the Cubs, it’s wait til next year once again.

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by daver on Sep 21, 2011 7:23 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Yes.

I saw that one right off the bat. But it just hit the wrong place and got away from me.

There’s always next year.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last game Garza started i was joking that Garza had a shot at 200 innings

All he had to do was pitch 2 complete games. Now that he has 1 Complete game down and he is pitching at Petco against the Padres there is definitely a good chance he gets to 200 innings. Especially with Quade managing , he will get the chance to throw 9 innings. Quade might let him get to 130’s pitch count.

Garza is pretty damn close to being an Ace. Hes not a numnber probably a 1.5. Since the Allstar break he has been pitching like an Ace.

by Mitchener on Sep 21, 2011 7:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I told you Al...

Castro’s one hit per game in the home stand was not going to get him to 200 at home.

by jimvanders on Sep 21, 2011 7:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Sigh.

Unfortunately, you were right.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping

Dempster doesn’t approve his player option.

Please Dempster Please leave!!!

by Rey Sanchez on Sep 21, 2011 7:22 PM CDT reply actions  

And replace him with who?

Dempster is a good 3, over paid yes, but what other options are there. The new GM will not be able to make 17 trades and sign 11 free agents.

by Grockcubs on Sep 21, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yes he will, everybody says so.

I think Dempster is back, along with Ramirez. There will be a 30-40% roster overhaul at best.

by jpeters407 on Sep 21, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

40% is a lot.

That would be 10 new players. And we could use that.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed but it will easily be a half dozen.

Grabow, Hill, Lopez, Ortiz, should be no brainers. DeWitt and Baker should get replaced by kids. Minimum one outfielder will be gone. Not to mention Z. That is 7 or 28% and most of us would like to lose several others. I’ll go with 30%.

by jpeters407 on Sep 21, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ramirez sounds like he won't be back

Can we think about going after edwin jackson and CJ Wilson? Garza, Wilson, Jackson, Dempster, and Wells.

by Mitchener on Sep 21, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think starting pitching is the quickest way to turn this around.

If Dempster returns, they should consider him the 4th starter and work on acquiring or signing a top of the rotation guy. Wilson and Sabathia (if he files) seem like the only #1 quality starters potentially on the market, assuming that the Cardinals retain Wainwright. Buerhle is another starter I think the Cubs should consider, especially if Dempster leaves.

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by BucknerKongCardenal on Sep 21, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dempster is not a #4, at worst he's a 3...

a Big NO to Buerhle, I’d much rather have John Danks who is also a free agent I believe.

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by tripdenten on Sep 21, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dempster has the stats of a #4 this year.

I think he can bounce back to an extent next year, but he’s not going back anywhere close to his 2008 level.

by Dcr18 on Sep 21, 2011 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, he's definitely not the same pitcher as he was in 2008,

which was simply a career year for him and Hendry foolishly overpaid him as the ace that he wasn’t and isn’t. However, I still feel that Demp can be a solid #3 pitcher (at least on an NL Central team). I would not be in favor of extending his contract beyond next season however.

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by tripdenten on Sep 22, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Danks has one more year of arbitration.

But the prevailing thought seems to be the Sox can’t afford to keep Buerhle (face of the franchise, with Konerko) and Danks because of their other SPs and financial obligations. So many are speculating that Danks might be prime trade bait, since they would then get a return other than draft picks.

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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST

by fsuapollo on Sep 22, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to get Danks, too.

But I think Kenny Williams would be very difficult to deal with. He seems hyperaware of the whole Cubs-Sox thing, and he wouldn’t want to risk coming out on the losing end of a big trade like that.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 22, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Plus do the Cubs have anything that the Sox would even want in return?

Perhaps the Cubs are better off waiting until after 2012 to pursue Danks assuming he becomes a FA.

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by tripdenten on Sep 22, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Danks does seem like a decent pick-up...

If Kenny Williams doesn’t want to look the loser in that trade, he can just get raw cash in return and maybe some prospects. If the fanbase thinks its a fair price and that a roughly equal pitcher can be picked up from another team, they wouldn’t balk (Balk? Who called a balk?). Prospects are like unopened packs of cards. Maybe they have that chase card (will become a great player), or maybe it’s just a bunch of duplicates you can do nothing with. That + cash would mute any feeling of Cubs pulling the blue wool over the Sox’s eyes.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 22, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well if he left

You’d have an extra 13 million to go spend on another pitcher. The problem is that there’s only a few quality pitchers on the market.

by Dcr18 on Sep 21, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I’m just not a Dempster fan

by Mapmaker on Sep 22, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Changes have to be made and I hope they are coming...

The Cubs have a huge opportunity this offseason to turn this team around and it has to begin at the top. First, a new GM. And second, a new manager. The GM and manager are going to have to work together in creating a blueprint for the future and I’d like to see an emphasis made on “character” guys. No more prima donnas or lollygaggers. So that means saying “goodbye” to Aramis Ramirez, Carlos Zambrano and Alfonso Soriano. I would like to see Kerry Wood return in 2012, but if he doesn’t it might not be such a bad thing. I say that because that would mean there would no longer be any Cubs remaining from the Dusty Baker and Lou Piniella years. I think that they need to wipe the slate clean and start over with a new group of men.

by jeffmills1972 on Sep 21, 2011 7:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Third...

A new hitting coach. Jaramillo was a Hendry guy. I’m sure he is a great coach, but his philosophy seems old school. The name of the game these days is knock out the starting pitcher and get to the bullpen. The Cubs as a team need to work the counts better. I’d like to see the Cubs employ a hitting coach who places greater emphasis on working the count, even if he is a relatively unknown coach from the minors.

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by BucknerKongCardenal on Sep 21, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

And who plays 3B?

There’s no better option than Ramirez. There are enough black holes on this team that there’s no reason to create yet another one. The guy has had a pretty decent year.

Vitters may never be the guy. You want Baker/DeWitt at 3B? That’s what you’ll probably get, if you pay off A Ram to leave. There’s nobody else out there. Unless, those rumors of A Ram to the Marlins are true, and they have somebody in their system that can play third, who could be tossed into that imaginary deal.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 21, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I am not a fan when Ramy swings at first pitches it seems 70% of the time or when he does not hustle. But he is a proven bat on a team that lacks production terribly.
 Make a fair offer.

by Grockcubs on Sep 22, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not in favor of creating a black hole at 3b,

however, it depends on the focus of the new GM. not that the new GM will come out and say they are clearing the way for 2013 to really and truly contend, and not just the Jim Hendry spring training “I think we’ll be contenders this year” version, i’m okay with somebody cheap at 3b to get to 2013 where we’ll be legit.

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 22, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is Ramirez's choice at this point

And unless the Cubs get a GM in place, they may lose him by default.

by ClarkFan on Sep 23, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep the line moving
three long-time Cubs — Aramis Ramirez, Carlos Zambrano and Kerry Wood — are the only ones left from the 2003 NL Central champions.

Fading out like the 2003 post-season t-shirt that I have.

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by RiskyBusiness on Sep 21, 2011 7:26 PM CDT reply actions  

even Gary Hughes

will be leaving.

I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.

by timh815 on Sep 21, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mine's got holes in it

Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!

by shoemile on Sep 21, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

TWSS

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 22, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Clearly Wood and Z will not appear for the rest of the season

but I would shocked if A-Ram does not. Perhaps you meant none of them may ever appear again as a Cub at Wrigley?

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Me either

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 21, 2011 7:39 PM CDT reply actions  

It looks like the Cubs will decide who the wild card is

Cardinals look like they might be within 1 game of Atlanta. St. louis has a really good shot at making the playoffs. Atlanta plays the Phillies the last 3 games and Cardinals play the Lastros.

We could crush the Cardinals playoffs hope by taking 2 out of 3.
.

by Mitchener on Sep 21, 2011 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

That would be sweet

and would leave a good taste in the mouth at the end of the year. Anytime you can knock the Cards out of the playoffs, it is worth something.

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by Archie on Sep 21, 2011 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd hope so.

I’d prefer to see the Braves in the playoffs than the Cards.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 21, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cards are the only team in the NL

with a winning record against the Phillies this year. If they get in as the wild card and play the Phillies, it might get interesting.

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by Archie on Sep 21, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Teams that get too good lose.

Ask the 2001 Mariners. There’s an optimum winning percentage. And unless a team is owned by Richie Rich (cough, Yankees, cough), getting too high and perhaps they be resting on their laurels and they screw up the postseason.

Pundits predicted a Red Sox steamroller and they’re now choking on some of that nice steaming clam chowder. And their lobster rolls have become lobster rofls. Phillies are good, but let’s not just hand them the NL pennant. Same with the Yankees. How many years they got to the postseason that they didn’t make it to the World Series?

by ddoubleheader on Sep 21, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Teams that get too good lose?

Ask the 1998 Yankees about that.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 22, 2011 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

2nd line...

Set aside an exception for the Yankees because they can buy more favorable odds for themselves.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 22, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Padres last year.

Cards this year. I’ll take it.

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by daver on Sep 22, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Walking Castro in the 5th was the right move

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by Hammer on Sep 21, 2011 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

In some alternate reality...

The Cubs have won 1, perhaps even more, World Series since 1908. Of course, odds are in that reality, it would be the Southside Cubs and the Northside Black Sox, whose tainted team get called the White Sox. And there’s the Boston Green Sox… and the Cardinals have an color-correct cardinal as their mascot too, not that joke of a cardinal.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 21, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Byrd

I don’t think that you can overstate the effect that the bean ball had on Byrd this year. Hitting is an exercise in controlled fear at the best of times. When you have a bone in your face broken, it must be very hard to come back from with the same level of aggression. I was never very good at hitting because I was a pitcher too and knew how often I would dust someone and instill fear in them. A batter’s fear is your friend as a pitcher…and the enemy of a hitter. Anyway, I think that Bryd is likely suffering the mental effects of the bean ball still.

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by Archie on Sep 21, 2011 8:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I disagree, I think he simply tries too hard.

He should be a 7 or 8 hitter and his numbers would be ok.

by jpeters407 on Sep 21, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Did you compare his numbers first half and second half last year? He is inconsistent.

by jpeters407 on Sep 21, 2011 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was to Archie

I don’t have an opinion either way, it was simply a question… I don’t think it would have mattered all that much, anyway.

by daily2b on Sep 21, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, here you go.

Pre-injury: .308/.346/.419, 3 HR, 11 RBI in 182 PA
Post-injury: .263/.319/.380, 5 HR, 21 RBI in 280 PA

Result: inconclusive. (Numbers do not include today’s game.)

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Byrd had a bad 2nd half

similar to last year. He might need more days off later in the season as he continues to do poorly in august and September.

by Mitchener on Sep 21, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about this scenario.

Byrd plays up until the day BJax can be called up and not lose the extra year towards free agency. That day, he gets called up and starts the rest of the year.

by jpeters407 on Sep 21, 2011 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

fine by me...

if he tears it up in spring, I’d have no problem with him coming north with the team and starting right away.

by daily2b on Sep 21, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for doing my work for me.

I had to go do something on my son’s computer for school tomorrow. Anyway, maybe it isn’t the bean ball, but I think that it likely has something to do with it. Just an opinion. I know that it would take me a long while to get back from something like that…if ever.

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by Archie on Sep 21, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

No argument from me...

I’ve played ball all my life, that kinda thing affects people differently.

by daily2b on Sep 21, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same level of aggression?

We’ve been bitching about him being too aggressive all year.

Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!

by shoemile on Sep 21, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh. true.

I’m not talking about what you swing at, though, but the abandon and lack of care that you swing with. When you have .03 seconds to decide whether to swing and where to swing in order to hit a major league fastball, all it takes is a hint of doubt about where that pitch is really going and it will mess with the end result. I’m likely wrong as he is a big league hitter. But it is my opinion that it likely has something to do with it.

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by Archie on Sep 21, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Garza's been really good this year.

Gotta improve the defense around him, as well as his own.

Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!

by shoemile on Sep 21, 2011 8:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 21, 2011 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I follow hockey as closely as baseball

so that closes the gap for me.

4-2 Road trip? Al, they have three in San Diego. Death. Never. Works. Out. Here.

That being said, I have (free) Field boxes for Tuesday. I would not be there otherwise to see two teams that will have lost a combined 180 games. If they take 1 of three here, consider it a moral victory.

The unknown young Padres pitchers…..no book on some of these guys. Always a problem.

But the weather will be nice.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 21, 2011 10:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll be at that game as well.

First trip down to Petco. I’m really looking forward to it regardless of the fact that the Cubs look like crap.

by bdlugz on Sep 21, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait...

Quade told him to strike out on purpose? Christ, what a bush league thing to do. I don’t hate Mike Quade, but I hate the fact that he’s our manager.

by kanderber on Sep 22, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

And he told him to strike out so Cassie could reach a milestone.

Quade seemed obsessed with these milestones. I might, just might be fine if he wanted Garzie to strikeout if he was trying to win a game but the milestone obsession is idiotic. It is pretty funny that Garzie ignored Quade. I guess Quade doesn’t have their respect.

Finally, what was Quade’s comment that “you have to explain things a few times”? Is he implying Garzie is a bit dumb?

What a dysfunctional team this has become. This season can’t end so enough. Quade hasn’t just proven to be a poor manager. He is completely incompetent.

John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.

by rlpete on Sep 22, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

And if the Greek chorus here thought otherwise,

Garza would be panned for being insubordinate.

It’s pretty funny, actually.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 22, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all

It mostly comes from the “order” itself. Why would you ever tell a guy to strike out on purpose? If you are afraid of him hitting into a double play, lay down a sac bunt. Pure idiocy.

by RynoRooter on Sep 22, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

So personal milestones should be more important than winning games?

I always thought it was the other way around.

Minor League Contributing Writer, Athletics Nation.

State high point count: 4/50

If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 22, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

WOW

This is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard in almost 30 years of watching baseball. Never have I heard of a manager telling a player to strike out so another player could achieve a statistical milestone.

My loathing of Mike Quade has increased exponentially. And my respect for Matt Garza has increased the same.

There is a right way and a wrong way to play this game. Quade and Garza just gave everyone a clear picture of the difference.

Ricketts should fire him today. Quade just made a mockery of this team.

by John916 on Sep 22, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I love this quote!

“You’ve got to explain things a few times to him,” Quade said.

Yeah – because he’s probably looking at you like, “I can’t believe this fucking idiot is telling me to purposely strike out”

He must have thought he was on a hidden camera show.

Mike Quade – you are an embarrassment to baseball.

by John916 on Sep 22, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

So does Allen Funt come out after the final game

and tell everyone 2011 has been a big joke.

John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.

by rlpete on Sep 22, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope so

This trainwreck can’t possibly be reality

by John916 on Sep 22, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can't make this up.

I mean there are no rational words to explain what Mike Quade, manager is all about.

by Grockcubs on Sep 22, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Quade has a magic about him

albeit, the magic of confusion. It’s just like calculus, the more you try to make sense of it, try and figure it out, the more frustrated and baffled you’ll get. You just have to go with the flow and accept it to understand it. When I did that, it became clear Quade manages the team like a little league and it’s not about winning as much as it is about making every kid feel good, feel empowered, get their time on the field, the plate no matter how good/bad they are. He clearly doesn’t take things that seriously and while some managers take things too seriously and flip out at any little thing… umm, these are major league baseball games, at least some seriousness is required. These aren’t exhibition games for the fans.

I still wonder if Quade has taken the team out for ice cream or pizza after a game.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 22, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is just wonderful.

Not only does Quade seem to care more about personal milestones than wins, but he also throws Garza under the bus after Garza refuses to throw away an at-bat for him.

I really hope Garza is livid about what Quade said.

Minor League Contributing Writer, Athletics Nation.

State high point count: 4/50

If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 22, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

To go on with what I said here,

This is inexcusable on Quade’s part. You play to win the game!

Minor League Contributing Writer, Athletics Nation.

State high point count: 4/50

If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 22, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Get this man as far away from Castro as possible. This is the exact opposite of what he should be learning about in the major leagues.

by John916 on Sep 22, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

And I'm happier every day that Hendry is gone.

He actually hired a complete incompetent as the manager.

John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.

by rlpete on Sep 22, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

And where did he find this village idiot again?

He did come from the minor leagues right, not the little leagues?

Is there a Mike Quade out there still managing a minor league team? Is this all some giant mistake of identity?

by ddoubleheader on Sep 22, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's absolutely ridiculous

I can’t believe a manager would openly admit that he did this. It’s both insulting to Garza to tell him not to swing and it’s embarrassing that the manager would openly admit to setting his gameplan around such an individual accomplishment. It’s not like it was the last game of the season. Castro is going to get at least 25 more shots to get his 200th hit barring injury. And then it’s worse that he scolds Garza in public afterwards. Just ridiculous.

Not to mention it’s logically inconsistent. Quade says he’s playing the vets because he wants to field a competitive team (ignoring the question of whether that’s actually fielding a better team) but then puts individual accomplishes for certain players above the betterment of the team.

by SouthernCub on Sep 22, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another reason to fire Quade...

…is he seems to have lost his players’ trust a long time ago. If he ever had it to begin with.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 22, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trust and respect.

Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!

by shoemile on Sep 22, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe at that winter Cubs convention...

they can have a dunk tank with Quade in it so the fans can vent some of their frustrations with him. Maybe the tank can have slimy eels in it (not electric. Quade ain’t that bad).

by ddoubleheader on Sep 22, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quade has his own

Reality distortion field. Like a politician whose poll numbers are in the 30 percent range but still thinks he can be elected.

by Clark Addison on Sep 22, 2011 8:55 AM CDT reply actions  

That was a really nice win

Great to see the kids contribute and Garza was outstanding

by Mapmaker on Sep 22, 2011 9:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Well maybe we'll get an Ortiz start before the end of the year.

Coleman won’t start because he told everyone he gets his direction from his Dad not the Cubs and now Garza told Quade to shove it.

John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.

by rlpete on Sep 22, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

always

hope for the future.without hope what’sthe point of going on.

by NOMAR on Sep 24, 2011 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

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