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I'm sure we'll soon see congressional hearings and guys being kept out of the hall of fame for this!

..right?

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Obviously, the difference is...

… doctoring baseballs is not against the law of the land.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 22, 2011 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Correct....

Its baseball rules only and the umps should have caught it.

But they didnt….I wish the Cubs pitchers did the same thing and we could have a winning team.

by TJ11 on Sep 22, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

what makes you think they didn't?

I have a hard time believing that the difference between John Smoltz and Mike Harkey was that only the former used a little pine tar on his pitches.

by Orval Overall on Sep 23, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would make sense if the problem people had with steroid users was their illegality

But you don’t hear people calling Bonds and McGwire criminals – they’re called cheaters. They get asterisks not because they broke the law but because their numbers are considered corrupt. They’ll be kept out of the hall of fame because they didn’t respect the rules of baseball, not because they didn’t respect the laws of the US.

In the case of the Carribean players – for all we know, most of them were juicing in the off season in their home countries where it is legal. They may have never broken US law and yet they’ll still be held out of the hall.

That may be why congress had hearings but it’s not why people have so much indignation about what they did.

by Wreckard on Sep 22, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have a point.

But you mentioned congressional hearings in your post. That’s why I said what I did.

There won’t be hearings about this. It would be interesting to hear what the pitchers involved have to say about this, though.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 22, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Throwing an object towards someone and having that person's face caved in

is against the law of the land, and is worthy of misdemeanor battery charges should the cavee choose to press charges.

Don’t cross the streams.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Sep 22, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

That Cheater George Brett Made the Hall

using too much pine tar. Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz should also make it. It would have been something if any of those pine tar using pitchers had ever pitched against George Brett in a regular season game.

Good things come to those who wait... and wait....and wait.

by memphiscub on Sep 22, 2011 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

There's a world of difference between Brett accidentally having pine tar too high on the bat

…and altering a baseball in order to make it harder to hit. Brett’s was a technicality that he was likely ignorant of. This was a deliberate use of foreign substances to alter the ball.

by Wreckard on Sep 22, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair Enough

Maybe, I can equate what the Braves pitchers did to what Gaylord Perry did for years with throwing spitters. Perry made the Hall of Fame.

Good things come to those who wait... and wait....and wait.

by memphiscub on Sep 22, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

So why is Perry in, but Palmeiro is probably going to be kept out? Pretty similar situations – both cheated to longevity, racking up gaudy career totals that put them in line for the hall. But for some reason, Palmeiro’s cheating is awful while Perry’s gets shurgged off.

by Wreckard on Sep 22, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know (hope) you're joking about Brett

but in case not, just thought I’d point out that the rule against having pine tar too close to the barrel of the bat is a rule designed to keep the ball from getting smudged, thereby forcing it to come out of play. It’s a cost saving rule so that the league doesn’t need to change out the ball everytime a guy makes contact. If anything, having pine tar in the hitting area would be a disadvantage to a hitter, not an advantage.

(and for what its worth, the remedy provided for in the rulebook is that they take the bat out of action; the ump who disallowed Brett’s homer really screwed it up).

by Orval Overall on Sep 23, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Was Joking

Good things come to those who wait... and wait....and wait.

by memphiscub on Sep 23, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

The cheating arrived some 20 years ago, from every aspect of ALL professional sports...

…and it’s here to stay. When you’re talking about 9 digit contracts AND gazillions of dollars in endorsements, some players are going to look for every advantage they can find…honest or not…and I can’t blame them one bit.
$100,000,000 dollars. That’s a crazy amount of cash. It sets up, NOT just the player, but, practically every member of his immediate family for generations.

"When I came up to bat with three men on and two outs in the ninth, I looked in the other team's dugout and they were already in street clothes." - Bob Uecker

by Easy Ed on Sep 22, 2011 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow that's revisionist history at it's best

People have been cheating at sports since the dawn of time. Do you really think no one was doctoring baseball until the 90’s?

by Wreckard on Sep 22, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure they were...

…my point is that the money flying around nowadays makes cheating MORE of an option to the player, then back in the “glory days”.

"When I came up to bat with three men on and two outs in the ninth, I looked in the other team's dugout and they were already in street clothes." - Bob Uecker

by Easy Ed on Sep 22, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ford

Whitey Ford is widely considered a practitioner of doctoring the baseball in the 50’s & 60’s.

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Sep 23, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pine Tar

It seems to me that these days a lot of pitchers have some illegal substance on top of the brim of their cap that I believe is pine tar. On TV, its clear that there is a dark spot about the size of a quarter and the pitcher will regularly go to this spot on their cap with one of their fingers on their pitching hand and readjust their cap.

by dmlichte on Sep 22, 2011 10:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Cheating has always been a big part of the game.

Anything to gain a little edge, I’m sure tons of Hall of Famers have gotten away with cheating somehow at some point in their careers.

by Dcr18 on Sep 22, 2011 10:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe Bobby Thomson's "shot heard 'round the world" can be struck from the records

because he may have been tipped off to the pitch from a Giants spy in centerfield.

by the nth on Sep 23, 2011 1:16 PM CDT reply actions  

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