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Originator name     xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Organization name     Chicago Tribune
Originator type     Journalists
Subject     Steve Bartman and the Art of Privacy   
Sent date     Sep 23 2011, 12:08 PM

I'm looking for a media analyst who can speak to anonymity and the disappearance of privacy in our times. Steve Bartman, a once-anonymous Cubs fan, has engineered this trick after becoming infamous for trying to catch a foul ball that prevented the Cubs from earning an important out in the 2003 playoffs. Nobody has heard from him since. How difficult is this? Is it the right approach?

I find it interesting that the Trib is going to do an article on privacy, and in doing so, will once again be violating his privacy by spreading his name all over the pages and linking him to the 2003 debacle.  Does anybody actually want to read this story? I wish they would just drop it and leave the guy alone.

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Yeah, I agree with you.

But essentially, they aren’t invading his privacy. He certainly won’t talk about this. Credit to Bartman for doing that and for not cashing in on this — he could have easily done so.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 23, 2011 1:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I just think...

that there are far better people who they could write about – people who have disappeared from the public eye who shouldn’t have – say mob boss Whitey Bulger – rather than a guy who was unwillingly thrust into the public eye and who has done everything to stay out of it. It is opportunistic and weak reporting by the Trib. I’m disappointed, but not surprised.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Sep 23, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am so sick of this crap. I refuse to watch any of the specials on this and am turned off every time FOX and ESPN need to bring it up.

THAT DID NOT COST US THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was a FOUL ball…..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So many ways that game could have been salvaged by the Cubs and they CHOKED!!!!!!!

That is the bottom line.

by TJ11 on Sep 23, 2011 2:22 PM CDT reply actions  

not only that...

but there were 20 people all reaching for that ball…wind blowing any harder or less and Tim Jones from Gurnee, IL or who ever is the scapegoat.

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 23, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like for them to find their names

and interview them….

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Sep 23, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

They did.

One of them is the owner of the Abbey Pub on the northwest side of the city.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 23, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Looney family owns/runs the Abbey Pub

and they are also featured on Spike TV’s delightful show “Bar Rescue”. When I watched “Catching Hell” both me and Mrs. Fukudometer recognized him.

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by Fukudometer on Sep 28, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Looney family owns/runs the Abbey Pub

and they are also featured on Spike TV’s delightful show “Bar Rescue”. When I watched “Catching Hell” both me and Mrs. Fukudometer recognized him.

Fukudometer: Created 3/31/08 Wrigley Debut 4/5/08 WGN and Japan TV Debut 4/6/08 Sun Times Debut: 4/20/08 Coffee Table Debut: 7/17/08

by Fukudometer on Sep 28, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

The fan forum I took part in that was originally going to be in this film...

… was shot at the Abbey Pub in November 2009.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 28, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yawn

and now for something else totally useless…
I’m sorry, but IMHO, and in the simplest respect for Bartman, and for the Cubs, and us, the fans, please let this die.

by chrisw95 on Sep 23, 2011 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

I wish they'd

just let this whole thing die. It wasn’t Bartman’s fault. It was a foul ball that Alou couldn’t get, Prior lost his focus, Gonzalez error and the list goes on.

It’s in the past, LET IT GO please!

by Swoosie on Sep 23, 2011 6:11 PM CDT reply actions  

It's Sad but.....

 It’s gonna take a high profile murder of a person that is constantly scrutinized by the media constantly for them to realize the danger they cause. Not trying to stir up a debate about Casey Anthony but she’s yet another example of exactly this. Sometimes no matter what, shit should be just left the hell alone FOR GOOD…no matter what.

by cubsluver22 on Sep 24, 2011 12:41 AM CDT reply actions  

There was a story in the Tribune that touched on this

Here

At one point the film brings up the moral implications of repeatedly showing images of Bartman on national television — an act that Gibney is guilty of himself, although to be fair he couldn’t make the film without showing the footage. “I think there was a certain amount of conflict in my own mind about doing that,” said Gibney, “a conflict that was pointed out rather forcefully to me by Bartman’s attorney. … But I thought that there was something important enough in telling the story that I felt it outweighed those considerations. There’s something very interesting about what we as human being do to put the blame on someone else.”

"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza

by RiskyBusiness on Sep 24, 2011 5:12 PM CDT reply actions  

You're Steve Bartman...

…and at some point in the last few years, you undoubtedly have awakened to the reality that you are more famous than Luis Castillo, Juan Pierre, Mike Mordechai, Juan Encarnacion, Derrek Lee or Ozzie Guillen.

In fact, you are more famous than Mark Prior, Kyle Farnsworth, Alex Gonzales, Moises Alou or Dusty Baker – better known than anyone else who participated in that infamous Game 6, with the possible exception of Sammy Sosa. As someone who now is better-known than any of the Alous, you also may realize that if Moises is remembered at all 30 years from now, it will only be because of you.

You certainly did not ask for or deserve any of this notoriety, and you likely are in no position to benefit from it today, but you’re still a young man and the time will come. When the Cubs finally do reach the World Series, you will be the people’s choice to throw out the first ball at the Wrigley opener. Your selection will be as obvious as choosing Ernie Banks for the honor was back at the start of the ’84 playoffs.

Meanwhile, I certainly hope you can take some small satisfaction in knowing that you will be remembered sympathetically long after all the other participants in this debacle are forgotten. I also hope the time will come for you to benefit from your great fame. Keep your arm in shape. You’re still a young man.

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"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Sep 25, 2011 6:14 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

With sympathy ?

Come on. He is a little twerp who upset a lot of Cub fans…….period.

by If we only had Hubbs on Sep 26, 2011 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

As someone who was ready to throw the nearest object at my TV in the split-second following the play...

…I certainly understand your point-of-view.

But we’ve had eight years to think about it, and from that distance my conclusions are:

   • Alou would have made the catch.

   • Even if Alou would have kept his emotions in check, millions of fans, including myself, would have been at least silently cursing the idiots that stuck their hands out.

   • The play was unquestionably the turning point of the game and series. In the famous words of the Marlins’ Mike Redmond, spoken seconds later in the dugout: “Let’s make that kid famous.”

   • Although the play was borderline, umpire Mike Everitt should have called interference.

   • Bartman and the fans around him obviously were not paying close attention to the play. Sadly, but understandably, they already had started their postgame victory celebrations, along with 50,000 other fans in the immediate vicinity, and millions worldwide.

   • The Cubs, dammit, should have had the fortitude to pull things together and get out of the inning. Even in Game 7, any truly great pitcher would have shut down the Marlins.

   • Steve’s thoughtless action was something any one of us might have taken under the circumstances. His name never should have been published, but because it was he now may be more famous than any player, coach, or manager who participated in that game. It’s a sad irony, because although he surely has been forgiven by most Cubs fans, the media will never let up on him – it’s just too good a story. I only hope he’ll be able to profit from it all someday and receive the blessings of Cubdom in a public setting, maybe at the start of the Cubs next World Series appearance.

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Sep 27, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

You've forgotten the most important thing.

The manager should have come out and calmed his 23-year-old pitcher down, slowed the game down, or better yet, brought in his closer for a five-out save.

Dusty Baker sat on his butt in the dugout. He bears the most blame of anyone, IMO.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 27, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Without a doubt...

I’m sure if interference had been called, Jack McKeon would have created a scene for the ages to rattle Prior and the umps, and to set the Cubs defense back on its heels. That’s what winning managers do. Dusty seemed paralyzed by the scene – just like most of us, he already was mentally in the middle of a clubhouse celebration, and could not #&^0%*! believe that fans would be stupid enough to louse things up.

Of course a manager like McKeon would have remained in the moment until the game was won. Dusty’s failure was inexcusable for an experienced manager.

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Sep 27, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

100% agreed.

Totally unforgivable on the part of a man who had managed in the major leagues for 10 years and had multiple teams in the playoffs.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 27, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll always blame Alex Gonzalez the most.

I never liked him anyway.

Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!

by shoemile on Sep 27, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you for being a perfect example of the problem...

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Sep 28, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

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