Chicago Cubs vs. St. Louis Cardinals Preview, Saturday 9/24, 12:10 CT: Beat 'Em Again Anyway
The Cubs actually have a rare opportunity this weekend; as I noted in the recap of last night's game, they have a chance to eliminate the Cardinals from both the division race (which they did on Friday night) and the wild card race. St. Louis' elimination number is three; if the Cubs can win twice and the Braves once the remainder of the weekend (or one Cubs win and two Braves wins), the Cardinals will be home for October.
I don't usually revel in other teams' miseries, but in a mostly awful Cubs season, that would indeed be sweet. Go for it, Cubs, and finish the season on a high note. Also, two Cubs wins would clinch a winning month of September. Three more wins in the remaining five games would avoid a 90-loss season; and they are also in a race to finish fourth, currently tied with the Pirates at 70-87.
We'll take small victories when we can get them, and hope for change to come after the new general manager is hired.
Cubs lineup:
Castro ss, Barney 2b, LaHair rf, Pena 1b, Soriano lf, DeWitt 3b, Byrd cf, Soto c, Lopez p
Cardinals lineup:
Furcal ss, Jay cf, Pujols 1b, Berkman rf, Holliday lf, Freese 3b, Molina c, Schumaker 2b, Lohse p
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Mike Quade had a choice today. He could have started Casey Coleman; it should have been Coleman's turn in the rotation. Admittedly, Coleman has made one start against the Cardinals this year and it was not very good. So he chose Rodrigo Lopez. Lopez has been horrific against St. Louis this year; in four appearances (two starts) he has a 10.13 ERA and 2.25 WHIP, 19 hits and five walks in 10.2 innings and SIX home runs, including two by Albert Pujols (one of them a walkoff). He's been even worse in Busch Stadium: 11.81 ERA in 5.1 innings over three games (one start).
Now why would you do that? We already know that Lopez is bad against the Cardinals. He's not part of this team's future. Casey Coleman might be. If Coleman is ever going to be good against contending teams... he's got to start against them, especially since his last start against the Brewers was pretty good.
But no. "Respect the veterans." Start a pitcher who has been mostly bad for a decade. This is just one more reason I'm glad that Quade's Cubs managing career has just five games to go.
Kyle Lohse has made two starts against the Cubs this year and posted a 3.38 ERA. The last of those two starts was a matchup against Lopez on July 30 in St. Louis. Don't click on that link. Trust me, you don't want to be reminded of that game. Don't say I didn't warn you.
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Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Q's pitching plan today
Lopez first two times around the order then bring in Casey!!!
by doofus cubs guy on Sep 24, 2011 10:48 AM CDT reply actions
Except Coleman is scheduled to start Monday in San Diego.
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"Finish the season on a high note"
For me, that would be seeing Quade get fired about 30 seconds after the final game ends!
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
regarding Q
Should he be re-assigned? Could he be?
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
I suspect he probably will be.
He could wind up as a minor league coordinator of some kind. The Cubs are paying him for next year regardless, they might as well get some value from the deal.
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My thought as well
No upside in firing him. I thought we should have kept Riggleman similarly.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Riggleman would make a fine bench coach.
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I'm not all for seeing The Quades life 'ruined'...
I just want to see his hands off our team! He continues to demonstrate he’s incapable/unwilling to learn from past mistakes IMHO.
"So sad, This Cubbie Thing" Courtesy of E-Man, 6/25/2011
No, no, no!!!!
Nothing about his behavior this year says that he will be any good at working with young players. Sometimes it is just cheaper to eat the money. Give him clearance to talk to any team he wants, especially in the NL Central….
Actually, he has been very good with young players...
… in the minor leagues. The problem is that he’s treated managing this team, like managing a minor league team.
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'especially in the NL Central'...
Any chance of a trifecta? a) We end the Cards NLC Champs bid. b) We end their WC chances. and c) TLR bows out and we substitute The Quade in StL?! /must be off now…just wet myself…/ :]
"So sad, This Cubbie Thing" Courtesy of E-Man, 6/25/2011
How about sending him scouting...
in Japan, Cuba, Puerto Rico. Someplace far away.
by ddoubleheader on Sep 24, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
If they do remove him from manager...
…they can re-assign him somewhere, but, I don’t think he has to go. He signed the contract to manage. Or am I wrong about that?
"When I came up to bat with three men on and two outs in the ninth, I looked in the other team's dugout and they were already in street clothes." - Bob Uecker
Manage?
Can they assign him to inside a giant wet paper bag. We’d the be able to see if Quade has the skills to manage his way out of a wet paper bag.
Can Ricketts buy an ice cream or pizza franchise place and make Quade the manager of it? He’s still be managing. He can still make the big decisions like when to replace the anchovies or how to arrange the lineup; you know, chocolate, vanilla, mint, stawberry, rocky road. Of course, this is Quade, so of course he’d find a way to screw up the order and play some flavors that aren’t performing as well as other flavors.
by ddoubleheader on Sep 24, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
How about during the game?
Quade walks out to the mound, gestures in a replacement for the pitcher, turns around and sees Ricketts behind him gesturing for a replacement.
Is there anything against a pitcher who has pitched and was replaced on the mound going on to manage a game? Maybe let Starlin Castro manage the game?? Why the hell not? Would he really be much worse than Quade?
by ddoubleheader on Sep 24, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm there!
Out in the bleachers, watching warmups. Hoping for a better day than it looks.
"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10
Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.
by sicubsfan on Sep 24, 2011 11:07 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
It's a beautiful day.
Wish someone else was pitching though. Anyone but Lopez.
"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10
Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.
by sicubsfan on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm 4-0 on games I've been to when he pitches
so I kinda like him.
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by katie casey on Sep 24, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Any news on when they start Clevenger?
I will be at the games Mon. and Tues. in San Diego. It would be cool to see his debut.
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Awesome sauce.
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by katie casey on Sep 24, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry. Should have read your recap first
and then I would have known that.
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by katie casey on Sep 24, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
If Cards lose today...
…to Lopez they are totally toast!! I didn’t realize Cards had pounded him so badly….Pujols just seems to treat him like it’s BP. but maybe he can eek out 5 good innings and we can get to Lohse. cards are choking since that terrible loss to Mets and pressure is all on them; maybe a crafty (??) veteran can take advantage of their anxiousness.
Going to see Moneyball
later today.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
Hiya Sue
The flick is getting good reviews…enjoy!
"So sad, This Cubbie Thing" Courtesy of E-Man, 6/25/2011
Thanks jeff.
Hubby wants to see it more than I do but we have heard good reviews too.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
We might too.
We were going to go last night, but decided to watch the Cubs instead since there are so few games left. Have fun.
Football? Football? What's a football?-Ralphie Parker
by katie casey on Sep 24, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks katie.
Hope you have fun in SD.
Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!
I need to somehow convince my wife to see this
but it may be doubtful. I would probably have an easier time convincing her to see a Jackass flick than I would a movie that not only is about baseball, but the sweet nerdy goodness of numbers in baseball.
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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 24, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions

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