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Chicago Cubs vs. St. Louis Cardinals Preview, Saturday 9/24, 12:10 CT: Beat 'Em Again Anyway

Darwin Barney of the Chicago Cubs dives for a ground ball against the St. Louis Cardinals at Busch Stadium in St. Louis, Missouri.  (Photo by Jeff Curry/Getty Images)

The Cubs actually have a rare opportunity this weekend; as I noted in the recap of last night's game, they have a chance to eliminate the Cardinals from both the division race (which they did on Friday night) and the wild card race. St. Louis' elimination number is three; if the Cubs can win twice and the Braves once the remainder of the weekend (or one Cubs win and two Braves wins), the Cardinals will be home for October.

I don't usually revel in other teams' miseries, but in a mostly awful Cubs season, that would indeed be sweet. Go for it, Cubs, and finish the season on a high note. Also, two Cubs wins would clinch a winning month of September. Three more wins in the remaining five games would avoid a 90-loss season; and they are also in a race to finish fourth, currently tied with the Pirates at 70-87.

We'll take small victories when we can get them, and hope for change to come after the new general manager is hired.

Cubs lineup:

Castro ss, Barney 2b, LaHair rf, Pena 1b, Soriano lf, DeWitt 3b, Byrd cf, Soto c, Lopez p

Cardinals lineup:

Furcal ss, Jay cf, Pujols 1b, Berkman rf, Holliday lf, Freese 3b, Molina c, Schumaker 2b, Lohse p

Star-divide

Today's Starting Pitchers
Rodrigo Lopez
Rodrigo Lopez
Cubs
vs. Kyle Lohse
Kyle Lohse
Cardinals
6-6 W-L 14-8
4.71 ERA 3.47
53 SO 103
27 BB 42
18 HR 16
vs. Hou -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2011 - Rodrigo Lopez 6-6 25 15 0 0 0 0 91.2 112 56 48 18 27 53 4.71 1.52


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2011 - Kyle Lohse 14-8 34 29 1 1 0 0 181.1 172 79 70 16 42 103 3.47 1.18

Mike Quade had a choice today. He could have started Casey Coleman; it should have been Coleman's turn in the rotation. Admittedly, Coleman has made one start against the Cardinals this year and it was not very good. So he chose Rodrigo Lopez. Lopez has been horrific against St. Louis this year; in four appearances (two starts) he has a 10.13 ERA and 2.25 WHIP, 19 hits and five walks in 10.2 innings and SIX home runs, including two by Albert Pujols (one of them a walkoff). He's been even worse in Busch Stadium: 11.81 ERA in 5.1 innings over three games (one start).

Now why would you do that? We already know that Lopez is bad against the Cardinals. He's not part of this team's future. Casey Coleman might be. If Coleman is ever going to be good against contending teams... he's got to start against them, especially since his last start against the Brewers was pretty good.

But no. "Respect the veterans." Start a pitcher who has been mostly bad for a decade. This is just one more reason I'm glad that Quade's Cubs managing career has just five games to go.

Kyle Lohse has made two starts against the Cubs this year and posted a 3.38 ERA. The last of those two starts was a matchup against Lopez on July 30 in St. Louis. Don't click on that link. Trust me, you don't want to be reminded of that game. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Today's game is on WGN and FSN Midwest. Here is the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today.

MLB.com Gameday

Baseball-reference.com game preview

SB Nation game preview

Please visit our SB Nation Cardinals site Viva El Birdos.

Today's first pitch thread will be up at 12:10 p.m. CDT and the overflow threads will post at 1:15 pm, 2:15 pm and 3 pm CDT. If you need more overflows due to extra innings or rain delays, post them in the fanshot section.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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"Finish the season on a high note"

For me, that would be seeing Quade get fired about 30 seconds after the final game ends!

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Sep 24, 2011 10:56 AM CDT reply actions  

regarding Q

Should he be re-assigned? Could he be?

I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.

by timh815 on Sep 24, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I suspect he probably will be.

He could wind up as a minor league coordinator of some kind. The Cubs are paying him for next year regardless, they might as well get some value from the deal.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 24, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

My thought as well

No upside in firing him. I thought we should have kept Riggleman similarly.

I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.

by timh815 on Sep 24, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not all for seeing The Quades life 'ruined'...

I just want to see his hands off our team! He continues to demonstrate he’s incapable/unwilling to learn from past mistakes IMHO.

"So sad, This Cubbie Thing" Courtesy of E-Man, 6/25/2011

by jeffstorm2 on Sep 24, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, no, no!!!!

Nothing about his behavior this year says that he will be any good at working with young players. Sometimes it is just cheaper to eat the money. Give him clearance to talk to any team he wants, especially in the NL Central….

by ClarkFan on Sep 24, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, he has been very good with young players...

… in the minor leagues. The problem is that he’s treated managing this team, like managing a minor league team.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 24, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

'especially in the NL Central'...

Any chance of a trifecta? a) We end the Cards NLC Champs bid. b) We end their WC chances. and c) TLR bows out and we substitute The Quade in StL?! /must be off now…just wet myself…/ :]

"So sad, This Cubbie Thing" Courtesy of E-Man, 6/25/2011

by jeffstorm2 on Sep 24, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about sending him scouting...

in Japan, Cuba, Puerto Rico. Someplace far away.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 24, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they do remove him from manager...

…they can re-assign him somewhere, but, I don’t think he has to go. He signed the contract to manage. Or am I wrong about that?

"When I came up to bat with three men on and two outs in the ninth, I looked in the other team's dugout and they were already in street clothes." - Bob Uecker

by Easy Ed on Sep 24, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Manage?

Can they assign him to inside a giant wet paper bag. We’d the be able to see if Quade has the skills to manage his way out of a wet paper bag.

Can Ricketts buy an ice cream or pizza franchise place and make Quade the manager of it? He’s still be managing. He can still make the big decisions like when to replace the anchovies or how to arrange the lineup; you know, chocolate, vanilla, mint, stawberry, rocky road. Of course, this is Quade, so of course he’d find a way to screw up the order and play some flavors that aren’t performing as well as other flavors.

by ddoubleheader on Sep 24, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about during the game?

Quade walks out to the mound, gestures in a replacement for the pitcher, turns around and sees Ricketts behind him gesturing for a replacement.

Is there anything against a pitcher who has pitched and was replaced on the mound going on to manage a game? Maybe let Starlin Castro manage the game?? Why the hell not? Would he really be much worse than Quade?

by ddoubleheader on Sep 24, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm there!

Out in the bleachers, watching warmups. Hoping for a better day than it looks.

"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10

Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.

by sicubsfan on Sep 24, 2011 11:07 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Enjoy the game!

Go Cubs Go!

"So sad, This Cubbie Thing" Courtesy of E-Man, 6/25/2011

by jeffstorm2 on Sep 24, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a beautiful day.

Wish someone else was pitching though. Anyone but Lopez.

"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10

Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.

by sicubsfan on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I'm 4-0 on games I've been to when he pitches

so I kinda like him.

Football? Football? What's a football?-Ralphie Parker

by katie casey on Sep 24, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Any news on when they start Clevenger?

I will be at the games Mon. and Tues. in San Diego. It would be cool to see his debut.

Football? Football? What's a football?-Ralphie Parker

by katie casey on Sep 24, 2011 11:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Monday, from what I hear.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 24, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome sauce.

Football? Football? What's a football?-Ralphie Parker

by katie casey on Sep 24, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry. Should have read your recap first

and then I would have known that.

Football? Football? What's a football?-Ralphie Parker

by katie casey on Sep 24, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Cards lose today...

…to Lopez they are totally toast!! I didn’t realize Cards had pounded him so badly….Pujols just seems to treat him like it’s BP. but maybe he can eek out 5 good innings and we can get to Lohse. cards are choking since that terrible loss to Mets and pressure is all on them; maybe a crafty (??) veteran can take advantage of their anxiousness.

by QuincyCub on Sep 24, 2011 11:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Going to see Moneyball

later today.

Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!

by sue369 on Sep 24, 2011 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Hiya Sue

The flick is getting good reviews…enjoy!

"So sad, This Cubbie Thing" Courtesy of E-Man, 6/25/2011

by jeffstorm2 on Sep 24, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks jeff.

Hubby wants to see it more than I do but we have heard good reviews too.

Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!

by sue369 on Sep 24, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

We might too.

We were going to go last night, but decided to watch the Cubs instead since there are so few games left. Have fun.

Football? Football? What's a football?-Ralphie Parker

by katie casey on Sep 24, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks katie.

Hope you have fun in SD.

Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each morning the devil says, "OH CRAP, SHE'S UP"!

by sue369 on Sep 24, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

Football? Football? What's a football?-Ralphie Parker

by katie casey on Sep 24, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I need to somehow convince my wife to see this

but it may be doubtful. I would probably have an easier time convincing her to see a Jackass flick than I would a movie that not only is about baseball, but the sweet nerdy goodness of numbers in baseball.

www.facebook.com/craighudak

by Craig in South Bend on Sep 24, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

me too!

You stinks, Carlos Zambrano!

by Emelie on Sep 24, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

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