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Hey if we're going to overreact to his stats the first half of the month surely everyone is doing the same for the second half of the month.

...right?

8 months ago Kool1_tiny Wreckard 49 comments 2 recs  | 

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Seriously, enough already.

This kind of stuff is just clogging up the posting lists.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 27, 2011 3:50 PM CDT reply actions  

But not the bases!

(sorry, I had to)

Step Two: Develop an organizational plan

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 27, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hurricane Hazle

Bob Hazle came up late one year (I think to replace Billy Bruton) and he just hit the cover off the ball. A lot of Braves fans thought he was the second coming. Tagged him Hurricane Hazle. He was 26 or 27. Just a flash in the pan.

by Bad Dogs on Sep 27, 2011 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

FWIW

Hazle has the most at-bats of anyone who hit .400 or better in a season since Ted Williams did it. He was 54-for-134: .403.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 27, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

although he has passed

Ill bet he enjoyed telling his stories in MLB. Not too shabby. Your best season you hit .403?? I know some people (me) who still brag about their best season.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hazlebo01.shtml

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by Hammer on Sep 27, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since 9/16 Carlos Pena has put up vastly superior numbers!!!

PENA: .120BA .371OBP .240SLG .611OPS!
VS
LAHAIR: .179BA .250OBP .321SLG .571OPS!

And note that Pena gets the luxury of playing his natural position that doesn’t have strain himself running down those fly balls!!!

by ubercubsfan on Sep 27, 2011 4:44 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, it was.

I’m not fond of posts directly mocking other posters.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 27, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well to be fair

Ivy does constantly posts silly fanshots citing ridiculously small sample sizes. I don’t feel strongly about Bryan either way, but I understand why Ivy’s continuous LaHair updates would draw mockery like this.

by Dcr18 on Sep 27, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I understand not wanting those updates any more.

Honestly, I don’t need ’em, either.

But the mockery just pushes other more relevant posts down the lists.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 28, 2011 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good point on things being pushed further down the lists.

At least this is not a place where the posts are listed by how many responses it gets. I love when people know this and complain about a post being listed up high when posting there makes it go high!

Nothing happens unless it's first a dream

by puckishcubsfan on Sep 28, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't mocking any specific poster

…any more than I was with this post. Just drawing attention to the fact that people get excited about the small sample sizes of players sometimes without paying attention to the other side of the coin.

by Wreckard on Sep 28, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.

Your headline format was identical to the other poster’s. Looks like mocking to me.

Your point is valid, however, it didn’t really need to be made in that way.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 28, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Four months ago?

Sure. But this has been done about six times this month. Maybe it’s time to retire this meme.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 28, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ummm....

Wouldn’t the Kool-Aid drinkers be those that are eating up the boy-wonder’s stats and think he is the second coming of Mike Morse. The same Kool-Aid drinkers of Murton, Fox and Hoffpauir?

The rest of us have seen the likes of LaHair many times before.

John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.

by rlpete on Sep 27, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

So they both stink.

Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!

by shoemile on Sep 27, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know who

stinks way less than either one? Prince Fielder. He hit 3 MONSTER homers last night.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Sep 28, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Would you sign him if it means ...

signing him through 2019 (eight year deal) with an average salary of $24 M per season?

Because that isn’t all that far-fetched. Make that bet on Prince, and he better deliver for you, not just in 2012, but for at least six or seven years. The Cubs made that gamble recently on a fellow named Soriano; how’s that working out?

All of which isn’t to say “Don’t Sign Fielder.” I just think there’s a tendency to look at this in a vacuum (Fielder > LaHair) rather than thinking about how it affects other options and the long term contract status for the club. The one thing you can say for sure about going with LaHair and a mid-priced veteran for an insurance policy is that you could sign a whole lot of pitching for the money you don’t spend on Fielder or Pujols. Those other guys are far more likely to deliver bigtime offense at first base, but you’ll probably need that offense even more because there won’t be any money to upgrade the rotation.

by Orval Overall on Sep 28, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's also going to cost about $12-18million more next year...

Than Pena and LaHair combined. And then another ~$25 million per year after that.

Not saying it’s not still worth it. But it’s not as simple as saying “these guys suck, this guy is awesome.”

by SouthernCub on Sep 28, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those actually aren't vastly superior...

in fact, they’re slightly inferior. But the main idea of your post still stands (I guess).

LaHair’s awful stats since Sept 16 are based on an awful last 4 games (2-15, 0 BB, 4 K, 0 XBH). His previous 4+ games in that time period were pretty solid (3-13, 1 2B, 1 HR, 3 BB, 6 K).

It’s all small sample size (both good and bad).

by SouthernCub on Sep 27, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gee it's almost like you can't judge a player by a small sample size

It’s almost like that was the point of this post.

But don’t let me stop you from TJing all over the place here.

by Wreckard on Sep 28, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just poking at you for a little fun.

Pena has been just as bad as well. Seems like LaHair is crushing the ball but it meets up against the wind in Wrigley last series, or dies 1 foot from the top of the fence in left center in SD.

by ubercubsfan on Sep 28, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

I don’t really have much love for either of them. Pena’s league-average for his position, and Lahair’s best case is that he could end up similarly valuable.

A team with a payroll like the Cubs should be able to do better at what should be your premiere run-creating position.

by Wreckard on Sep 28, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

GREAT POST!

I love it.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Sep 27, 2011 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

LaHair doesn't play every day, could be part of the problem

I'm going to the 2012 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp!!! Who's with me?

by VegasCubFan on Sep 28, 2011 12:48 AM CDT reply actions  

lahair

LaHair is most likely another September flash in the pan. There’s a reason nobody wanted to trade with first the Mariners and then the Cubs as a throw in.

Nothing happens unless it's first a dream

by puckishcubsfan on Sep 28, 2011 5:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Hatred is not pretty

Long ago, I loved the stories about someone coming from nowhere and doing well. The scrappy underpaid, under-appreciated guy not just having his one moment in the sun, but immensely enjoying it.

Looking at advanced metrics and more careful analysis has, of course, led me to place those stories more in context. Some of the best stories lack significance when it comes down to it, not just in the reversal of the initial small sample size, but also in the sense of that player, even when he burst out of nowhere and confounded the pundits, not actually contributing that much.

Still, nothing about my more reasoned recognition has led me to feel other than good about these stories, these seeming emergences. I loved when Sam Fuld went all out for the Cubs, crashing into walls and having fun. I may even have beaten Jessica to respond to someone posting that Sam like Soriano will soon learn where the walls are: I said he already knows. I loved it when Sam get his chance in Tampa and started strong; his chance came at the banishment of Manny and it may be fair to say he is the opposite of that player: enthusiasm over numbers. Sam Fuld cape day – how great was that although I have to admit I never participated in the discussions of whether he deserved it.

I am very happy with what have learned about how teams win and players contribute to that in the statistical sense. However, I am even happier that this knowledge has not made me jaded or hateful when someone is lauded, who it can be argued is overrated.

I know you have posted any number of these and seem to have done so gleefully. I recall one in particular. To the extent, Sam Fuld contributed to the success of the Rays (and at this point a single WAR back then may mean the playoffs) it was with taking pitches, speed and playing defense. Yet, your headline trumpeted his batting average and RBI even though he was the leadoff hitter on the team. This was buffoonery on your part. Buffoonery plus hatred is very ugly indeed.

by WhistlerWilliams on Sep 28, 2011 11:28 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Oh my.
Sam Fuld contributed to the success of the Rays (and at this point a single WAR back then may mean the playoffs) it was with taking pitches, speed and playing defense.

Actually it was almost entirely defense and none of those other things. Nearly all of Fuld’s 1.7 WAR this season comes from his fielding, and not from his -2.9 runs above replacement on offense.

This was buffoonery on your part. Buffoonery plus hatred is very ugly indeed.

There’s absolutely no schadenfreude here at all if that’s what you’re impying. I have no problem with Sam Fuld, take no delight in the regression of Lahair. My problem is with people who overreact to a small sample size and then ignore the inevitable regression that follows.

I hope Fuld and Lahair succeed in the majors. I don’t hate either of them, they both seem like ok dudes. I don’t really hate any players, or wish them failure, except for maybe Jeter. Because fuck that guy.

by Wreckard on Sep 28, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh.

You’re about the only one I know who hates Derek Jeter. Somehow, this does not surprise me.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 28, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

He’s OK by me.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 29, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Asking for way more money than he was worth

And then complaining about it getting out to the media rubbed me the wrong way.

Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!

by shoemile on Sep 29, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I can't disagree with that.

I think Jeter was wrong to do that. For his career as a whole, I salute him.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 29, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disliked Jeter for a long time

Mainly because he was a Yankee and even more with all the contract garbage. Then I watched the special on his 3000th hit and, well it was not a complete 180, but I do not mind him anymore.

Seems like a good guy to me.

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by Hammer on Sep 29, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t really hate any players, or wish them failure, except for maybe Jeter

high five

I'm a happy panda.

by jesus christos on Sep 28, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

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