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Tbird's rebuilding the 2012 Cubs plan, part #1: Infield

As the first part of this series I am going to start today, I look at what my ideas would be if I were to advise whomever the new Cubs GM will be going forward. I'm starting with the infield, and will progress to the rest of the team, coaching staff, and front office in the upcoming days. I will be interested to see what kind of feedback I get both on the merits of my ideas, and how realistic that you are that all or some of them could actually happen. When projecting trades, of course you have to take into account the thought process of the other teams, which is sometimes difficult to do for those of us who really wear Cub blue tinted goggles, but I have tried to do that here.

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First base: This is one of the tougher calls of the offseason. Carlos Pena is in his mid 30's, but has been one of the few Cubs who has basically done what we projected him to do, and in my case he has even exceeded my expectations for him. He is a solid clubhouse guy from what we are told, hits for power, fields his position better than expected, gives us a strong left handed bat, and will not break the bank in 2012, and even possibly would agree to another 1 year contract. His ability to walk and see high pitch counts carries major value in my way of thinking and building a team that produces runs. However, his age is a concern to me, and I see it being likely that at his age he is likely to decline some in 2012-2013. Plus, while he is likely a fairly valued player at around his current salary, I believe I'd rather have the money he'd make to spend elesewhere on the roster. Therefore, I'd let Pena walk with a hearty thank you, and whatever compensation int he draft (if any) we'd get for letting him go. That means we need a replacement in 2012 and beyond. My solution is the following trade idea:

 

 Cubs trade P Carlos Marmol to Cincinnati for 1B/OF Yonder Alonso

 For them, this move makes sense, as we trade Marmol to a team that would value him as a replacement for Francisco Cordero, and which lets them get a legitimate MLB pitcher for a player who is primarily blocked by one of the best players in the game, Joey Votto. The Reds could either choose to let Marmol close for them and move Chapman to their rotation, or they could move Chapman to closer and use Marmol as a set up man, a position which suits his abilities much better in reality. Marmol is due less money in 2012-2013 than it would take for them to re-sign Francisco Cordero, so it allows them to use their limited resources better as well. For us, we get a cheap 1B replacement who is young and has upside, and who appears to be tailor made for Wrigley Field to me. Alonso to me looks like a higher average, 15-20HR, 80 RBI type at first base and would be under affordable team control for a few years, allowing us to allocate resources to other areas. He is only 24 years, so he makes long term sense in a rebuilding era for us.

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 Second Base: I would keep Darwin Barney obviously, with the following caveats:

1. I would heavily pursue Brandon Phillips if the Reds don't pick up his option. I am sure they will, but if for some reason Cincinnati doesn't do that (he is due 12M in 2012) then I'd make his a priority signing. -

2. Assuming Phillips isn't available, I'd make a "trash for trash" trade with Seattle: Cubs trade P Carlos Zambrano to the Mariners for INF Chone Figgins Yes, I know Figgins basically has sucked since going to Seattle. And I know his contract status is 9 million for 2012 and 8Million for 2013. But Zambrano is a cancer that has to go, and at least theoretically we could get Seattle to pick up some of the difference in 2012's contract, so we save some this year and get a reclamation project in Figgins. For the Angels, Figgins was one of my favorite players. He has speed to burn, can play multiple positions including 3rd base, and would give us some payroll flexibility while getting rid of Big Z. I think Figgins is about as much in return as we will get for Zambrano unfortunately. Barney continues to start, but Figgins can get around 40 starts a year at 2nd base, and the occasional start at third base plus be a useful pinch hitter and pinch runner hopefully off our bench.

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Shortstop: Obviously nothing to do here, keep Starlin Castro. Hopefully he turns into our version of Derek Jeter.

 

 3rd base: I love Aramis Ramirez, but I think his time has passed in Chicago. I think it is time to get younger and cheaper at this spot temporarily, and allocate more money to the draft, minor league development, and primarily the starting rotation. In 2012, the key for us will not to totally try and replace his production with the bat, but to instead somewhat make that up in other ways, primarily by RUN PREVENTION. Ideally that means getting a cheaper 3rd baseman who hits for league average ability, and using the savings derived from that to improve in other areas of the team. Plus I like the idea of adding a draft pick for letting Ramirez move on to greener pastures.

 

 So, I'd let Ramirez go and instead sign as a free agent: Edwin Encarnacion, 3B Toronto. Encarnacion likely will give us I project around a .265 average, somewhere around 20 HR and 70 RBI. I believe his defense to be enough of an upgrade over Ramirez that he'd save us some runs at 3rd base as well, plus he is still in his late 20's. Considering that I think we can sign Encarnacion for around 3 yrs at 12-15Million total (4 to 5 million per season)that makes him more productive than Ramirez per dollar going forward, in my opinion, when you consider what other moves that kind of payroll flexibility can provide us.

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 So, for our infield next season, I like: 1b Yonder Alonso 2b Darwin Barney SS Starlin Castro 3B Edwin Encarnacion Backups: Chone Figgins, Brian Lehair Next up in this series will include analysis of all other position on the team, and the manager/front office suggestions I have.

 

Thoughts so far on part 1?

 Tbird

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Cannot read this
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by Hammer on Sep 28, 2011 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, that's true.

I can’t make any sense of this. If the OP would edit it and put in some paragraph breaks, that would help.

I can see I definitely need to make a post soon about how to post.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 28, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's sad that you even have to consider teaching people how to make a post on a blog.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Sep 28, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I could, but I'm kind of busy.

And that would make me read the whole post and edit it, guessing where the OP wants them.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 28, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's possible (though fairly unlikely) that this is the greatest plan ever...

Unfortunately, it’s so poorly structured that it’s rendered virtually unreadable. Do people who write stuff like this not take a moment to look at what they’ve written? It would take like 2 seconds to realize that it’s nearly impossible to read.

- Use paragraphs to break up separate ideas. If you’ve got more than 3-5 sentences in a paragraph, you should start checking if it’s time for a new paragraph.
- Avoid run-on sentences. If you’re trying to say more than two thoughts, you’re probably going to want to use more than one sentence to articulate it.
- Number/bullet your steps.

This isn’t that hard. You put a lot of time into coming up with your plan and writing it down. Take the extra 5 minutes to edit it so that people will (potentially) take the time to read it.

by SouthernCub on Sep 28, 2011 2:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Jesus Christ.......

The poster takes some time, puts some thought into it, and the 1st five comments are about the format? C’mon.

by jballgame on Sep 28, 2011 2:29 PM CDT reply actions  

That's right.

Because I have multiple posts on the sidebar about how to format a post, and how to write good posts. I put considerable time into doing that so that everyone could have information that is here permanently and make posts that are both readable and contain good information.

This one has good information — I think. But I can’t read it. It’s not that hard to format a post on this site. Like I said, I think I need to post another tutorial.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 28, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al......

You have every right as the mod to do so, but a pile on from others? A bit over the top.

by jballgame on Sep 28, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

It wasn't over the top

It was a 75-sentence paragraph. That’s very difficult to read, and not worth my energy to do so. If someone wants me to read something, posting all of the thoughts in a ridiculously long paragraph.

And the poster clearly took it in stride and fixed the formatting, and now it’s very legible. And if you’ll notice, once he fixed it he got responses on the actual content. Imagine that! It’s like the comments on format led to a positive outcome!

by SouthernCub on Sep 28, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got an email from the OP.

He wasn’t sure what happened, and neither was I. I asked him to tell me how he formatted it, so that maybe I can help him do his next post with better formatting.

Formatting DOES matter. This is a visual forum with text on it. If it’s going to be useful, it has to be readable.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 28, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

You miss the point

1-2 comments = not over the top. 5 = over the top. If you didn’t want to read it-don’t read it. No need to pile on, especially given the OP TRIED to format it correctly and failed.

by jballgame on Sep 30, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't miss the point

Nobody made 5 posts criticizing the poster’s formatting. A few people made a single post about it each. I don’t see why 5 posts about a horrifically formatted post is over the top.

As for the “OP tried to format it correctly” argument, all of those comments happened BEFORE the poster clarified the issue. And why should it matter whether he tried to do it correctly first? The end product was (at the time) still incredibly hard to read.

And my post was because I would LIKE to read it. But I didn’t feel like fighting through the jumbled text to do so. So I asked him to correct the problem.

I’m sorry that my desire for legible fanposts offends your delicate sensibilities. It doesn’t seem like the OP was nearly as offended by the comments. He seemed to understand that the legibility was a real problem. And he took the time to edit it after the fact (which I appreciate).

by SouthernCub on Sep 30, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

There were.......

7 posts discussing the formatting. One comment makes the point, no?

You didn’t ask him to fix the problem, unless you qualify “Take the extra 5 minutes to edit it so that people will (potentially) take the time to read it” as a request. More true to what really happened, you berate him in your post, assuming he didn’t know how to format it, without considering there might be (and in fact, was) another plausible explanation for the formatting.

And I’m sorry you can’t re-read your post and actually find the truth in the matter.

by jballgame on Sep 30, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lighten up Francis

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry

by Hammer on Sep 30, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry you're so offended by it...

But seriously, get over it.

If I accidentally make a post that winds up with that formatting, I won’t be offended if someone berates me for it. And I’ll then fix it (just like TBird did).

by SouthernCub on Sep 30, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not offended in the least......

Just pointing out how ridiculous people can be around here sometimes.

by jballgame on Oct 2, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was one criticizing.

I received an email from the OP indicating that he didn’t know what happened and would fix it, which he did, and said he’d try to format better in the future.

Problem solved, right?

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by Al Yellon on Oct 1, 2011 5:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes Al.

But that doesn’t change the fact that there were 7 posts that said the same thing. I’m trying to make the point that A) I’m sure it was well understood after the 1st or 2nd. B) It would be MUCH MORE FUN around here if people weren’t so (insert adjective here). There doesn’t need to be a pile on when someone makes a mistake.

by jballgame on Oct 2, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did you read it??

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry

by Hammer on Sep 28, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was it hard to read??

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry

by Hammer on Sep 28, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

Reading comprehension skills are your friend.

by jballgame on Sep 30, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, it was hard to read

which is why so many people commented on it.

I don’t know why you’re so adamant about defending bad formatting. The original poster seems way less offended by it than you.

by SouthernCub on Sep 30, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again you miss the point

I’m not defending bad formatting, I’m commenting on how snarky people get on here. One or two comments about the formatting (in totality) would have been plenty to get the point across.

by jballgame on Sep 30, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I admire you crazy dreamers...

…who think they can change the Internet.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Oct 3, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

Ok buddy

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by Hammer on Sep 30, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tough to read but

I see a trade proposal of Carlos Marmol for Yonder Alonso. I’ve seen enough. The Reds won’t do that.

John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.

by rlpete on Sep 28, 2011 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

However.

I’d consider calling up the Reds and see if they’d deal Joey Votto. They want Alonso in the lineup and he really can’t play outfield, or anywhere but 1B.

They might be willing to deal Votto.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 28, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait, what?

Isn’t Votto the face of their franchise and a virtually proven elite player at this point? Why would they trade him? Are the Reds really that high on Yonder? (Yes, I wanted to write “high on Yonder.”)

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 28, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Votto's also making a lot of money.

Which the Reds might want to move.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 28, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hm, still hard to believe...

…though if GM X could pull off an inter-division trade like that it would be a pretty impressive first act.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 28, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be an intra-division trade and I can't imagine what group of players the

Cubs would have to put together for the Reds to give up their best player. I don’t think there are enough decent players on the Cub roster for Jocketty to even pick up the phone.

by the nth on Sep 29, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's not making THAT much money

He’s on a 3 year, $38 million contract. Considering he’s one of the best hitters in the league, I’d say he’s a bargain. I don’t think they’d trade him easily. Certainly not for what we’ve got to offer.

by SouthernCub on Sep 28, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Votto earns a lot more than he makes

This was his second straight in-the-conversation-for-MVP season. That’s worth a lot more than $13M/year.

I doubt the Reds have any interest in Marmol for Alonso, but if Jocketty traded Votto to make room for Alonso, he would have to wear a disguise to get out of Cincinnati alive.

by ClarkFan on Sep 30, 2011 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your absolutely

insane if you think Votto is getting traded face of the franchise. Take it from a uy who has the unfortunate task of attending collee right outside of Cincy. No one would go to those games without him. Not that htey go in droves either, but his contract is pretty cheap for an MVP caliber player (when they actually contend)

by ChicagoZ on Sep 30, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jesus

Sorry about the typos that was really awful. Hope you can decipher the language.

by ChicagoZ on Sep 30, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

And on the 28th day of the 9th month of the 10th year of the millenia...

… it was so written that a thunderous bird would arrive carrying in its talons an enormous monolith of gray text that reached to the heavens and brought forth a rain of fire.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 28, 2011 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

It's the 11th year of the millenium.

2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011

That’s 11.

12 if you start counting from 2000.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 28, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, right.

The prophet isn’t very good at math.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 28, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

How did the words "run prevention" and "Edwin Encarnacion"

wind up so close together? That guys isn’t just bad defensively at 3B, he’s historically bad.

Can’t say I’m in love with any of these ideas, although I do think it’s worth exploring a deal for Alonso.

by Bradsbeard on Sep 28, 2011 3:11 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Post is now edited

Everyone:

I am sorry for the original posting format. I had it in the current form it is in now, unfortunately for whatever reason my edit didn’t take and it came out in an that unreadable run-on paragraph that many of you commented on.

I had to leave for a few hours, and just now saw that my original format didn’t take for some reason. It should be much easier to read now.

I’d like to have your feedback on the merits of the ideas presented if you are so inclined. A few comments from me:

1. If the Reds really wouldn’t trade Alonso but WOULD trade Joey Votto, obviously I am all for that…..Votto is an outstanding first baseman and I’d rather have him over Fielder, Pujols, and everyone else considering his age and cost. I am assuming the Reds would want to keep him, and yet realize the experiment of playing Alonso in the outfield is a disaster they would rather avoid in 2012.

2. Regarding my comment on Encarnacion and run prevention, I am under no illusion that Encarnacion is a great defender. I just think that he is likely to be just as good if not better than an aging Ramirez going forward, and I think he can give you 75% of the offense Ramirez does at only 25% of the price. We can use that savings to improve our overall team, especially the pitching staff.

3. I’ll get more involved in this with my post about our outfield in 2012 (coming in a day or so), but I think it makes sense to find out if Soriano can be our back up first baseman (maybe playing 30-40 games there) next season.

Tbird

by thunderbird1245 on Sep 28, 2011 5:24 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Soriano is a terrible fit at 1B

his only real defensive attribute is his arm. He has terrible hands and appears to read the ball off the bat poorly. And he doesn’t hit enough offensively to warrant playing 1B anyway.

by SouthernCub on Sep 28, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well...

1. Marmol is no longer cheap and had a rough season. Other MLB teams are not built to serve the Cubs (other than our recycle bin, BAL) and why people always insist that we can trade our trash for others’ treasures is beyond me.

2. More than once in this post the phrase “allocate resources to another area” is used. There is only one position open in the outfield (I’m assuming BJax and one of Byrd/Soriano will be here), the FA pitching class is weak (save the pitching money for 2012), and Soto is presumably locked in at catcher. If we’re not going to spend money on 1B or 3B, we’re not going to spend money. This isn’t Pittsburgh. We don’t need to slash money to invest in the draft. If we’re fading to “league average” at 3B and holding steady at league average at 1B, next year will be a disaster.

D98 mistaken, a hyperbole as in a funny or revisionism as in trying to make a new fact to confirm a prejudice

by Kansas25 on Sep 28, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well said

It’s okay to want to not go with Ramirez, but if one is going to suggest not spending ~$30 million more on Ramirez, one needs to suggest where that money gets spent.

There are like four big-name free agents out there. Two of them are at 1B, one is at 3B, and one is at SP. Spending on second-tier pitchers and mediocre 3B doesn’t seem like a good strategy.

by SouthernCub on Sep 28, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correction:

This ain’t Pittsburgh.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 29, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Marmol/Alonso

I understand what you are trying to do but look at it from the Reds standpoint.

You are trading a cheap prospect who proved he could hit for a relief pitcher who struggled and who’s salary escalates for the next two years. Marmol is due $16 million or something like that for the next two years.

If the Reds were interested in trading Alonso, I think they could find someone who would trade them a decent reliever who is a lot cheaper than Marmol.

John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.

by rlpete on Sep 29, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd.

No offense, TBird, but the mere notion of trading an unreliable relief pitcher (which, sadly, Marmol was this year and whose high walk rate makes him any year) for a young, cost-controlled everyday position player is generally untenable. Remember, we’re talking about Walt Jocketty here.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 29, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

This deal might not work.

And yes, Marmol is making a decent amount of money. But given his record of success pre-2011, if the new GM offers him in trade (which I think he will), there will be no shortage of offers. Plenty of teams will say, “We can fix that.”

They’re almost never right when they say that, but it’s said all the time.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 30, 2011 5:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd expect...

we’d get very little in return to his poor season and rising cost. It might be worthwhile to attempt “fixing” the problem ourselves.

D98 mistaken, a hyperbole as in a funny or revisionism as in trying to make a new fact to confirm a prejudice

by Kansas25 on Sep 30, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

There'd be offers

but they’d be of the “buy low” variety. Teams aren’t going to offer fantastic stuff in return. They’re going to try to find a bargain.

Teams don’t tend to overpay for the “we can fix that” guys.

by SouthernCub on Sep 30, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

i dont know if he is a fix-it-guy.

Marmol had a horrible manager and an even worse Pitching coach. if we had a decent coach in either one of those spots he would have been the same Marmol we have loved the past three years.

by lshaffer_69 on Sep 30, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's a guy with terrible command and possibly declining stuff

There’s some “fix it” to be done. It may be something that can be easily fixed, but it’s still a “buy low” situation.

by SouthernCub on Sep 30, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure I'd blame the pitching coach.

Marmsy posted a lower walk rate this year under Riggsy than in either of the previous two under Rothschild. And before we blame Rothschild, ’Los’s lowest walk rates were under him in 07 and 08.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 30, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

this is a guy who has never had any sort of command. His stuff was more hittable this year (which is a concern moving forward). When you throw as hard a slider as he has as often as he has, you can lose some bite on the slider.

I don’t think it’s fair to say with any certainty that a different pitching coach or manager (even though I want both gone) would have made his pitches less hittable.

by SouthernCub on Sep 30, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont blame riggens for Marmol

Just the whole pitching staff. this is also quades fault

by lshaffer_69 on Sep 30, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I agree.

GM X should listen to offers on Marmol (Soto, too). But my skepticism meter tends to rise anytime someone floats a relief-pitcher-for-position-player trade.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 30, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

P.S. thanks for fixing the editing problems

if it really was the case that the formatting got screwed up after your post (and I have no reason to doubt it was), then I apologize for coming off as snarky in my response.

Either way, I do appreciate you taking the time to clean it up after the fact. It’s much more legible now. I don’t particularly agree with the content, but at least we’re able to discuss it now.

by SouthernCub on Sep 30, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for revising the post

1. Marmol for Alonso makes great sense from our perspective. It does not make sense from the Reds’ perspective. They could do much better than that, or just keep Alonso in LF and let him rake. As for the Votto suggestion, I don’t think we have the prospects to pull off such a trade.

2. I’m concerned by Phillips’ home/road splits. He’s been phenomenal in Cincinnati (very much a hitters’ park), but hovers around a .700 OPS elsewhere. I’m not sure he’d be a value add. And Figgins is not at all interesting, even if it meant getting rid of Zambrano. He’s been a huge liability offensively this year and can’t play 2B defensively.

3. I wouldn’t want to commit a 3 year contract to Encarnacion at 3B. This would be a classic “Hendry move.” As a 1-2 year stopgap, I could tolerate him at 3B. But we need to stop committing 3-year deals to mediocre players.

by SouthernCub on Sep 28, 2011 5:46 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

What an entrance.

First activity on BCB is a series of FanPosts on how to fix the Cubs. You aimed high T-Bird, you aimed high.

D98 mistaken, a hyperbole as in a funny or revisionism as in trying to make a new fact to confirm a prejudice

by Kansas25 on Sep 28, 2011 5:54 PM CDT reply actions  

T-Bird just figured that...

Proposing a peace plan for the Middle East would be too easy.

"You know they're not going to lose 162 consecutive games." -Harry Caray

by Mapanator on Sep 30, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

What is your problem with his post?

I know there was a problem with the paragraph but the point behind it wasn’t bad.
If you disagree with his opinions then just say it. If you don like his post stop reading it and go watch some TV.

This is a forum to express opinions who cares. Why do you have to add some smart ass comment?

by lshaffer_69 on Sep 30, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure that Kansas25 has pointed out his disagreements with the post

in some of his other comments. Namely, a “Marmol for Alonso” deal is highly unrealistic, and the “let Ramirez walk to allocate resources elsewhere” argument ignores the issue that there isn’t a lot out there (aside from 1B, which Tbird chose not to upgrade).

by SouthernCub on Sep 30, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...read above.

I respected his opinions and responded to each of his points with my disagreement.

I’m not really being that much of smartass. Most first time poster FanPosts’ are 3 sentences and talk about impossible trades or hatred of a player. He did a good job with it. I don’t agree with much of his assessment, but he did fine. I was merely making an observation. Mapanator made the smartass comment (which I found hilarious Mapanator, btw).

D98 mistaken, a hyperbole as in a funny or revisionism as in trying to make a new fact to confirm a prejudice

by Kansas25 on Sep 30, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont get it. You say now, that he did fine.
You aimed high T-Bird, you aimed high.

But this isn’t a smart ass comment.

Why don’t you come up with a topic to talk about?

by lshaffer_69 on Oct 1, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whatever kid.

D98 mistaken, a hyperbole as in a funny or revisionism as in trying to make a new fact to confirm a prejudice

by Kansas25 on Oct 1, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

figgins

for zambrano?great idea. i may need you advising the new gm.figgins in 2 years would cost whay z would cost in 1.a really good idea.

by NOMAR on Oct 2, 2011 9:16 AM CDT reply actions  

I appreciate the thought process

and wanting to come up with ways to “fix” things over the course of one offseason, but I think most of those types of plans will be extremely ambitious either on the trade side (expecting a team to overpay us for an asset) or the spending side (signing multiple elite level FAs).

In truth the best ways to “fix” things, is by not digging further holes on the balance sheet to players entering their decline years (i.e. Brandon Phillips). Spending on a guy like Fielder could be worthwhile if other subsequent moves are put into place, but again they’d require very strong optimism on the trade/spending front to reap IMMEDIATE benefits. It’s more likely a Fielder signing is the first step in a 2-3 year plan, not an immediate turn-around.

Its tough to take a 71 win team with just THREE players measured as significant contributors under 30 and turn them into a title contender in one offseason. It requires either having an elite farm-system ready to provide impact talent at positions of need OR overly aggressive short-term spending at the cost of future years. (think 2006)

The Cubs most clear and direct path towards contention in future years relies on continuing to improve and develop the farm system, build around the current young contributors (Castro, Garza, Soto), and trying to make small arbitrage moves around the periphery to add value. Finding cheap bullpen arms, platoon LF, trading off veterans of value or letting them walk and taking compensation picks, etc.

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 3, 2011 11:02 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

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