This is a clip from Moneyball. They are talking about Carlos Pena, right?

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yes

I'm a happy panda.

by jesus christos on Sep 9, 2011 4:02 PM CDT reply actions

Amusing.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 9, 2011 4:11 PM CDT reply actions

Look who else was involved in that deal.

From Carlos Pena’s baseball-reference page:

July 5, 2002: Traded as part of a 3-team trade by the Oakland Athletics with a player to be named later and Franklyn German to the Detroit Tigers. The New York Yankees sent Jason Arnold (minors), John-Ford Griffin and Ted Lilly to the Oakland Athletics. The Detroit Tigers sent Jeff Weaver to the New York Yankees. The Detroit Tigers sent cash to the Oakland Athletics. The Oakland Athletics sent Jeremy Bonderman (August 22, 2002) to the Detroit Tigers to complete the trade.

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by Al Yellon on Sep 9, 2011 4:16 PM CDT reply actions

See?

Billy Beane really does know pitching!

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 9, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions

I love Philip Seymour Hoffman.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Sep 9, 2011 4:29 PM CDT reply actions

The fact that he's in it definitely ups the ante for me, too.

Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.

by daver on Sep 9, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions

An actor with the range to play both Art Howe and Truman Capote.

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by ernaga on Sep 12, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions

A bit rude

Obviously I don’t know the context of this exchange within the movie, but that seems like a pretty unnecessarily abrasive way to announce a trade to your manager.

I love Hoffman playing that character, though. Makes me want to see this.

by WiscCubsFan on Sep 9, 2011 8:48 PM CDT reply actions

I'm guuessing first base between Pena and Hatteberg is something they had already disagreed with.

And Beane traded Pena because that’s who he wanted full time at first, and was rubbing it in his managers face.

by Dcr18 on Sep 9, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions

Pena takes walks, hits the ball a long way, or strikes out. Hatteberg…takes walks. In ‘02 for the A’s, Pena had 15 BBs and 16 RBIs. Hatteberg had 68 BBs and 61 RBIs. In early-naughties Beane thinking, he’s got a youngster he’ll have to pay a helluva lot for in the future, and a replacement that’s both cheaper (in the long run) and plus-WAR.

OTOH, I didn’t see Hatteberg win a Gold Glove in ’08. Or play after it, either.

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by Clutch16 on Sep 9, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions

The book explains

That Beane traded Pena because he could get Ted Lilly for him, whom he wanted and he felt they didn’t need Pena and Hatteberg. Detroit wanted Pena, not Hatteberg.

Beane’s got good taste in getting Ted Lilly.

by Josh Timmers on Sep 10, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions

Yes but he had bad taste in trading him for Bobby Kielty

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 10, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions

Had too

He was looking at a big arbitration payday. Saved over $2M in 2005 on salary.

by Josh Timmers on Sep 10, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions

Great saved 2 million and got an utterly mediocre OF with little power

who Beane gave a 2.1 million contract to in 2007 and he was basically out of baseball in by the end of that season. Lilly meanwhile was an AS in 04 and had 3 solid seasons for the Jays. That trade was a bad one

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 11, 2011 6:21 AM CDT up reply actions

I can't wait for this movie...

I got the book the other day and just started it to night as the Cubs game started…

I’m about 90 pages in and it makes me wanna see this movie even more

Speachless...

by Endrick on Sep 9, 2011 10:03 PM CDT reply actions

I had the book sitting in my "to read" pile for a few years.

Every time I picked it up I’d see the word numbers and assume it would be tedious/boring/over my head. CG47 said something about not being able to put it down so I decided to finally give it a try. I couldn’t put it down either. Thanks CG.

Cracker Jack does not have an "s", even in the plural.

by katie casey on Sep 10, 2011 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions

Jonah Hill and Pitt are going to ruin the movie

They should have gotten no-name actors.

by JSB on Sep 10, 2011 11:04 AM CDT reply actions

How exactly?

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Sep 10, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions

They had to get big time names

Otherwise no one other than die-hard baseball fans would go to see it.

by Nunyabidness on Sep 10, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions

Movie absolutely does not get made

if Brad Pitt wasn’t attached to it.

by Josh Timmers on Sep 10, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions

pena

like lee is a class act.after lee left i said you cant replace a cadilac with a volkswagon.carlos has done a good job this year.everybody knew he would hit 220.he’s been really valuable to the infielders.

by NOMAR on Sep 11, 2011 6:33 AM CDT reply actions

I want this version to come true! (Sub Quade for someone else if you like!)

Beane: Got a minute?
Quade: Yeah, take a seat.
Beane: You can’t start Pena first tonight. You’ll have to start LaHair.
Quade: I don’t want to go 15 rounds, Billy. The lineup card is mine and that’s all.
Beane: The lineup card is definitely yours. I’m just saying you can’t start Pena at first.
Quade: Well, I am starting him at first.
Beane: I don’t think so, he plays for Detroit now.
Quade: You traded Pena??

by ubercubsfan on Sep 11, 2011 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs