Report: Soriano likely back
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three… two… one…
“according to #Cubs person”??
Damn. I missed both Castro threads.
Yeah -- but this seems to chart with other reports.
The only team with even slight interest was Baltimore. There’s no market for Soriano — which isn’t surprising at all.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jan 10, 2012 5:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
They still won the game,
Just say’in
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 11, 2012 2:06 AM CST up reply actions
false
that was after the bullpen phone “failed”
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 11, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
in game 5 which the rangers won
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 11, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
rhey said the same thing about Zambrano
A friend once told me: "I don't buy the idea that a team learns anything from a loss, the only thing they learn is how to lose games."---Knight
they also said Colvin was not out of the Cubs plans
and then he was sent out of the Cubs organization
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 10, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
When did anyone say that?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
November 30, 2011
Cubs GM Hoyer on Colvin: ``He’s certainly not out of the picture’’
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
Huh.
Missed that.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
seems each time Hoyer / Theo say someone has a future or are in the plans
the plans are to be be traded for more pieces
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
Precisely.
This means Soriano’s traded by week’s end…
Um, it depends on who you mean by 'they'.
The official line from the Cubs was that Zambrano would have to earn his way back. But, if this Cubs person is to be believed, the comment would be less guarded/gamesmanship.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I still think he's cut outright
Which is where all the surplus from the 2011 payroll is going.
They do need some power in the lineup.
And maybe someone picks him up at the trade deadline. I still think someone will take a flier on him for 3-5 million a year.
You do know he's actually worth something, right?
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jan 10, 2012 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Not much
But I think the reason he won’t be dealt is because every other team knows the FO is open to cutting him. Why take on $3 million or so of Soriano, when you can get him for league minimum?
why would you cut him?
Even I don’t think he’s worth his contract, but he’s not really that bad of a player.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 10, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
It's a tweet! It must be true!
“According to Cubs person.” Who’s that? Woo Woo?
Other than TheoJed, no Cubs employees are talking about anything… it’s a tight ship.
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Wait -- so you don't buy these tweets?!
Thanks for finally making this point. I was unclear.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I would imagine quite a few hopes were lifted with the Zambrano trade
But the difference there is that Ozzie and the Marlins actually WANTED Zambrano
by Nunyabidness on Jan 10, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
And two more years on the contract ...
and five more years on Soriano’s existence on Earth.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
True. It's not that surprising.
But it is sort of the nail in this particular coffin.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I think I just heard tjs head explode
They both (stats & bikinis) show a lot, but not everything. - Infielder Toby Harrah
Poster formerly known as Wrigster.
Okay, so I just got my head out of the toilet...
…and I’m starting to calm down a bit. Maybe, just maybe, he gets off to a good start…hits some home runs…doesn’t take any balls off the head in left…and Theo manages to unload him on some unsuspecting and desperate team.
I can’t believe that this has become the kind of stuff I fantasize about…
That pretty much settles it... Soriano will be gone within days...
Anytime the Cubs brass make a comment on the future of a player with the organization, that assumed future changes dramatically within a few hours or days. See Zambrano, Carlos and LaHair, Bryan, as examples.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
LaHair? The Cubs 2012 Opening day firstbaseman?
Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.
by section229beer on Jan 10, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
It's very likely Soriano is a sunk cost that we aren't recouping.
To be honest, I don’t think Soriano’s contract will prevent the Cubs from signing anyone they want to sign at any point. My guess is the Cubs will start spending when they see ideal candidates to spend money on and feel like the team could be turning around. They’ve already begun grabbing some prospects, have a couple guys ready to help in 2013 and will have likely $60M for the big league club in 2013 if nothing major happens in the meantime and the payroll remains in the $130M+ range.
If Soriano becomes unplayable (and he just might soon), it’s not like we’re going to be missing out on trading him for a halfway decent prospect. He can always be benched, released or sent to the minors.
At best, what are we hoping for? $3M/year for 3 years? I don’t see how we get more than that, and frankly that’s not the end of the world for me.
My philosophy for 2012 is watching Castro develop (assuming he doesn’t have legal issues), hopefully seeing Rizzo/Jackson near season’s end, seeing if LaHair can hit MLB pitching for a full season, hoping for some bounce-back from Wood/Stewart/Volstad. Not the most exciting season… but a bridge to a hopefully very exciting 2013, 2014 and beyond.
by IOftenPanic on Jan 10, 2012 8:12 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree pretty much everything
but Soriano can’t be sent to the minors without his consent.
Soriano's trade value?
Let’s imagine that the Cubs were willing to eat all of Soriano’s salary, as they did with Zambrano, what might the return be then?
would he be worth a Tyler Colvin type player?
Eamus Ursuli!
Definitely a sunk cost.
If we gotta see him play next near, can somebody on the Cubs staff at least get Soriano to quit using that war club of a bat?
I enjoy this website because it's so interesting to see folks pole vaulting over mouse turds.
What we are left
with is, I believe, more Sam Zell’s doing.
ding ding ding ding ding
Many different reports have said that Hendry only offered six years for Soriano, and that when he didn’t leap at that, McDonough took over negotiations and tacked on the final two years to get a deal done. I don’t have any inside info, but that makes a ton of sense to me given that the Tribsters knew they wouldn’t be the owners when the check for those last two years and $36 mm came due.
Now, even at six years we would have been overpaying Soriano badly, especially in the last couple of years. But at least you could see the ability to move on from the contract, either by eating a large portion of his one remaining season (as they did with Zambrano), or by letting the contract expire at the end of the year.
by Orval Overall on Jan 11, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
This doesn't really affect much.
He’ll be gone by 2013 anyway, and who else will play left? I’d rather see Byrd gone so they can plug Jackson into center.
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jan 10, 2012 9:29 PM CST reply actions
Or we could trade Soriano..
stick Byrd in left and have Jackson in center.
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
Look you made Dawson cry!
But really is anyone surprised?
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 11, 2012 2:12 AM CST reply actions
Sat next to him and his girlfriend at a restaurant in NY once
with his hot girlfriend
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Wow.
50 comments on a random Heyman tweet? How often has he ever been right?
Also, I almost laughed when I saw he quoted “Cubs person”. Not even “major league source”. Could have been one of the security guards.
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Or from a guy in the Polar Zone
at the Central Park Zoo. They are also Cubs persons, no?
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
Exactly.
I read an article on the iPad MLB app last night that said the Reds weren’t interested in Ryan Madson.
This was AFTER they had signed him.
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I don't understand why you're SO frustrated by all of this, Al.
I say this respectfully, but all of this is nothing new — and yet you seem to have reached new heights with your annoyance.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
In some ways, yes.
Because the noise-to-signal ratio on Twitter seems to be getting higher every day.
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But why does it bother you if there are 50 comments on your site about it?
Fifty comments on your site is a GOOD thing. And it’s not like I was calling ballhawk names, or anything. Though that can be arranged … ;)
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
The 50 comments don't bother me.
Just that some seemed to take this as the gospel truth, when it might be anything but that.
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I think we know that this isn't gospel, Al.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
You keep saying that, when nobody actually does it.
Not in one thread I’ve seen here has someone said “You’re wrong and a dumb poopy head because one time there was tweet that said the opposite and so I’m not listening to you anymore LALALALALALALALALALALA I can’t hear you I can’t hear you!”
by Nunyabidness on Jan 11, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Says you.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Can you imagine if Charlie Sheen had repeatedly threatened to beat the kid who played his nephew on "Two and a Half Men?"
Different times man, different times.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 11, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
How is it 'random'?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I can't believe
someone who quotes a source named “Deep Goat” frequently could have the nerve to complain about other’s sources.
How many times has Deep Goat ever been right?
And the recent times you have hedged by saying “things can change” when quoting your source don’t count.
Mentioning sources
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 11, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
It's hard to take him seriously
when he’s wearing that jacket and shirt (and the little fuzz poking out), while holding a bat over his shoulder.
The sign on the stadium wall says
“NCAA DIVISION II NATIONAL RUNNER-UP”, but I can’t read the year. Might be 2004, but that was Grand Valley State and I looked and that doesn’t look like their stadium.
Anyone know what stadium that is?
Here are all the Division II national championship results.
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The sign looks like it says the year 2000.
Which would be Fort Hays State in Kansas.
"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07
But the pictures of the stadium from their website
don’t match up with the picture in the background of Heyman’s twitter account. Will someone with more time than me please solve this? It’s gonna bug me.
"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07
I'm not sure
it says 2000. That’s what it looks most like, but if you look closely you can see the hole in the middle of the zero for the first two zeroes, but not the last one. It could be a 4, 6, 8 or 9 too (though it doesn’t look as much like those others.
It’s also possible that the sign is for the softball team or something. The scenery looks kind of like California.
It isn't
from the team’s that were runners up in 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009 or 2000. Maybe it’s for a softball team. Back to google!
It's not the 2000
division 2 softball runner-up’s stadium either.
I wonder if it could be from a practice field? Most of the division 2 baseball field seem to have a yellow line across the top of the outfield fence. The photo is just black chainlink. However, the outfield grass looks a lot nicer than the Fort Hays State stadium’s grass. I doubt they’d have nicer grass on the practice field.
I think I give up.
*********Mystery Solved***************
That photo is from the Grand Valley State softball field.
http://www.gvsu.edu/sportsfacilities/athletic-softball-field-21.htm
Next mystery: Why does Jon Heyman have a photoshopped background of the Grand Valley State softball field as his background? He didn’t go to school there.
Thanks for solving the first mystery.
For the second, I have no idea.
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Back to the drawing board
It is definitely not the Grand Valley State softball field. They have an all dirt infield and Heyman’s picture has a grass infield. Also, the GVS picture doesn’t have enough trees immediately beyond the outfield fence.
"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07
I still think the Cubs make a splash with either Soler or Cespedes
and too answer the question in the post, yes, Cespedes is a CF but eventually i believe he will move to LF.
Doesn't Cespedes have a very good OF arm?
Might be better suited to RF.
True, but i'd be ok with him in CF if we got him
and then move him over.
I think the
Cubs should eat $40 M and trade him to the Os. If we get anything back great.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Jan 11, 2012 8:40 AM CST reply actions
Takes two to tango.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I agree
do we know what we have offered them and what we asked for in return?
by Cubsfan Waveland on Jan 11, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
The Cubs set precedent with the Z deal - $15M is the price on the "All we will eat" menu
Nobody’s gonna touch Soriano unless Cubs eat at least $15M/year. And even that’s doubtful because it’s for 3 more years, as opposed to just 1 with Z.
Assuming he can put up halfway decent numbers (for him) this year, Sori becomes easier to trade next offseason as he’ll only have 2 yrs left on his deal.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
true
I guess I’m somewhat hopeful that a change in field leadership, i.e. Sveum & Co. might lead to more judicious handling of Soriano, and thus a relative increase in productivity/value.
Not holding my breath though…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
kind of a catch 22. yea only 2 years left, but at what cost?
who knows, maybe he’ll be nice and retire.
Theo has said something to the effect of...
…maximizing the value of players he can’t trade away. Not sure what that means for Soriano. I’d suggest a platoon, but that would reduce Alfonso’s playing time quite a bit. And I’m not sure who would take the other side — doubt they’d give that many ABs to Campana.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
If the Cubs
do end up having him this season, I would imagine his playing time will diminish. Maybe they could get more out of him by picking and choosing his playing time.
yes, lots of 6 inning games
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by SouthWabashSoul on Jan 11, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
That would
be part of it. I am thinking around 300 at bats. Play him with good match ups. Remove him early and often. Figure the less he is exposed he might actually stay fresher and exceed better than any of us would think.
I might add
I am kind of counting on Jackson being with the team. Albeit that might be a stretch. I envision and outfield (if current roster stands) of Soriano, Byrd, DeJesus, Jackson and Johnson.
Ideally I would like to get DeJesus around 150 games as well as Jackson. Byrd can spell Soriano and Jackson. Johnson as well. You can have Soriano get his 300 at bats and Byrd around the same amount.
Really having Soriano on the team if used correctly, might not be a bad thing.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 11, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
I am Spartacus!!!
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I, Claudius
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 11, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Ay yi yi
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 11, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Ice Cream.
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You scream?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 11, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
...
♪ He held me very tight under stars so bright and whispered darlin' "Who do you love tonight?" I told him "baseball, baseball...." ♫
♫ ♫ We're bringin' Sori back ♫ ♪
(Yeah!)
♫ ♪ Those other teams don’t want our hack ♫ ♪
(Yeah!)
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